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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
April 01 2014 18:30 GMT
#1121
my thoughts on massclaim = retarded as ever
dont know what you mean about "pure supposition about toad" but he looks town to me for various reasons.

kitaman looking townie.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
April 01 2014 18:33 GMT
#1122
Hopeless1der
thrawn2112
JarJarDrinks
Vivax
Djodref
Amiko
gumshoe
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 01 2014 18:34 GMT
#1123
On April 02 2014 03:30 kushm4sta wrote:
my thoughts on massclaim = retarded as ever
dont know what you mean about "pure supposition about toad" but he looks town to me for various reasons.

kitaman looking townie.
On April 02 2014 02:28 austinmcc wrote:
If anyone is a cop or has checks or does stuff, I suggest doing stuff to Toad (not life-saving stuff, check-y stuff). I don't care so much about the check me/don't check me stuff, but it somewhat fits what I think of when I think of scumtoad, which is ... strange posts and having too much fun with powers and whatnot. I would also GENERALLY assume that there is no role which says "you can't vote." The role is very very very likely to be "you can't vote, and you also do this thing to compensate." Not having a vote means it's likely the other thing, which is likely to exist, is likely to be something pretty sizeable. So if we have cop stuff, I think toad is a solid candidate. There is also the idea that IF this game is somewhat balanced around conversion, ONE WAY to balance a growing scum team is to remove votes. Town gets MORE lynch control than normal, because scum don't just kill townies, they can yoink somebody (all speculative). Small numbers aren't the only disadvantage that can be used to balance out a scum team that may be able to grow.
Agree? Disagree? Better target? DON'T CHECK TOAD BECAUSE SCUM KNOWS YOU'LL CHECK TOAD AND NOW YOU CAN'T TRUST CHECKS ON TOAD BUT THEY KNOW YOU KNOW?

Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 01 2014 18:34 GMT
#1124
Why is massclaiming retarded?
Fe fi fo fum.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
April 01 2014 18:39 GMT
#1125
why is massclaiming not retarded?
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 01 2014 18:40 GMT
#1126
During the night I have made up the Tactical Briefcase - Deluxe Hand Edition

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##target: kushm4sta
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If you do not converse further, the seal on the Tactical Briefcase will release, and the hand contained within may or may not attach itself to sensitive areas of your body and apply pressure.

Uncomfortable pressure.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 01 2014 18:40 GMT
#1127
On April 02 2014 03:39 kushm4sta wrote:
why is massclaiming not retarded?
Vee vill ask zee qvestions here.
Fe fi fo fum.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
April 01 2014 18:41 GMT
#1128
austin, did you care if rayn died? I know you said you thought poofter was your preferred lynch and I know you thought that the rayn was sending you town signals, but did it matter to you if he got lynched? When the player that you thought was town claimed a strong power role, rather than responding "omg guys we need to move votes off him now", you were like "oh didn't someone mention conversion at some point?"

On April 01 2014 02:02 austinmcc wrote:
p.s. I think that if we can't get much agreement at all, we should lynch gumshoe (i think that's the right alternative


On April 01 2014 04:42 austinmcc wrote:
gumshoe has done nothing but make useless posts.


On April 01 2014 04:49 austinmcc wrote:
I would rather lynch gumshoe than slam, yes.


When slam unvoted ten minutes before the lynch, with kush, hope, amiko and myself there are only four votes on rayn.

At this point, you can either place the fourth vote on slam, which would become five after thrawn posting his intentions or you can become the second vote on gumshoe, eventually to be joined by poofter or thrawn. Yet you didn't move your vote.

Questions:
1) Did you prefer a rayn or slam lynch?
2) Why didn't you move your vote to gumshoe?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
April 01 2014 18:43 GMT
#1129
Hmm.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 01 2014 18:45 GMT
#1130
On April 02 2014 03:41 kitaman27 wrote:
austin, did you care if rayn died? I know you said you thought poofter was your preferred lynch and I know you thought that the rayn was sending you town signals, but did it matter to you if he got lynched? When the player that you thought was town claimed a strong power role, rather than responding "omg guys we need to move votes off him now", you were like "oh didn't someone mention conversion at some point?"

Show nested quote +
On April 01 2014 02:02 austinmcc wrote:
p.s. I think that if we can't get much agreement at all, we should lynch gumshoe (i think that's the right alternative


Show nested quote +
On April 01 2014 04:42 austinmcc wrote:
gumshoe has done nothing but make useless posts.


Show nested quote +
On April 01 2014 04:49 austinmcc wrote:
I would rather lynch gumshoe than slam, yes.


When slam unvoted ten minutes before the lynch, with kush, hope, amiko and myself there are only four votes on rayn.

At this point, you can either place the fourth vote on slam, which would become five after thrawn posting his intentions or you can become the second vote on gumshoe, eventually to be joined by poofter or thrawn. Yet you didn't move your vote.

Questions:
1) Did you prefer a rayn or slam lynch?
2) Why didn't you move your vote to gumshoe?
Yes I cared that rayn was lynched. I am sad that a townie was lynched. I am, however, always mildly amused when rayn gets lynched. On the whole, more sadness than amusement. I did not come into the night yelling WHY DID YOU LYNCH RAYN, however, this is true.

(1) Neither. Rayn looked like townrayn, and I don't like the reasons people give to vote slam. If I have to lynch one or the other, I lynch slam. I don't think it's impossible he's town, but rayn reads like townrayn and my dislike of a slam lynch stems from a mix of slam's play (response to my question about poofter, question back to me) and more of my dislike of the reasons behind it. I'd rather join a lynch I don't like than a lynch on someone I'm relatively certain is townie.

(2) Because I got a phone call shortly before the lynch. Didn't post, didn't swap vote. Honestly didn't expect rayn's death, given the number of "yeah I'm okay lynching gumshoe" posts, but wasn't around to do anything about it.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 01 2014 18:52 GMT
#1131
On April 02 2014 03:40 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 03:39 kushm4sta wrote:
why is massclaiming not retarded?
Vee vill ask zee qvestions here.
You really don't want uncomfortable pressure applied to the sensitive areas.

It is...uncomfortable.

Your massclaim thoughts have been:
On March 30 2014 17:45 kushm4sta wrote:
1 explain why you think mass claim would be beneficial.
On March 31 2014 01:57 kushm4sta wrote:
ryan
Last crossfire game could be solved with massclaim. You told crossfire right? Don't you think he would go out of his way to make sure that wasn't the case with this game?
On April 02 2014 03:30 kushm4sta wrote:
my thoughts on massclaim = retarded as ever
There's no reason there, other than conjecture that you think crossfire has created games that were solveable with claims, and wouldn't want to do so here.

Do you think solving the game is the only thing that could ever be accomplished? I'm just asking why you specifically think a mass claim is retarded or non-beneficial or anything. You ain't said nothing specific.


Also moderately interested in this:
On March 31 2014 22:08 kushm4sta wrote:
I think toads case on hopeless is unconvincing but it probably comes from town, unless toad stepped it up hard core since his last scum game.

Gotta read Raines newest stuff still.

I think there is evidence that kita has too much information.
What did kita have too much information on?
Fe fi fo fum.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
April 01 2014 19:00 GMT
#1132
cause you tell the scum what roles you have so they know how to counter it?
cause scum can recruit the sexiest roles?

he has too much game setup information I thought. pretty minor compared to the towniness shown in his filter though.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
April 01 2014 19:00 GMT
#1133
plus that is kind of dumb because scum will probably be less likely to say stuff about the game setup since they are paranoid about looking like htey know too much..
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 01 2014 19:02 GMT
#1134
On April 02 2014 04:00 kushm4sta wrote:
cause you tell the scum what roles you have so they know how to counter it?
cause scum can recruit the sexiest roles?

he has too much game setup information I thought. pretty minor compared to the towniness shown in his filter though.
Given that we had things like a shrink, it also gives town the ability to target actions as well. And possibly allows for people to get confirmed/caught via actions. And cuts down on role speculation about things like votes, because folks have to own up to what they do.

But that's cool.

Any specifics on the list of people that are suspicious?
Fe fi fo fum.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
April 01 2014 19:02 GMT
#1135
austin, just so I can get a good picture of things, up to how close to the lynch were you around?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 01 2014 19:05 GMT
#1136
On April 02 2014 04:02 kitaman27 wrote:
austin, just so I can get a good picture of things, up to how close to the lynch were you around?
~last post, but I can work some voodoo and give you the specifics.

Specifically, 4:47 PM eastern time for 34 minutes and 20 seconds.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 01 2014 19:07 GMT
#1137
I dunno if I was in the thread for the seconds before that, may have been in another window or playing a game, but that's when I was gone gone.
Fe fi fo fum.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
April 01 2014 19:21 GMT
#1138
On April 02 2014 03:45 austinmcc wrote:
(2) Because I got a phone call shortly before the lynch. Didn't post, didn't swap vote. Honestly didn't expect rayn's death, given the number of "yeah I'm okay lynching gumshoe" posts, but wasn't around to do anything about it.


raynpelikoneet (6) - kushm4sta, Alakaslam, Tehpoofter, Hopeless1der, kitaman27, Amiko
Alakaslam (3) -JarJarDrinks, Djodref, Vivax
kitaman27 (1) - raynpelikoneet
gumshoe (1) - thrawn2112

So the votes looked something like this when you left. Lets assume that rayn and slam are acting logically and would vote for any scenario that would save themselves. Toad claimed that his vote doesn't count so I'll ignore it.

Essentially for gumshoe to be lynched, he needs six votes because of critical mass. That means jarjar, djo, and vivax would need to move in the last 7 minutes, which seems possible, but difficult to pull off if they aren't present. slam would need to move from rayn to gumshoe and then one (or two depending on the slam votes) individuals that mentioned that they preferred rayn would need to move. I suppose poofter was the most likely since he did with seconds left, but he was your strong read so I'm not sure why you would expect that.

Did you really expect a gumshoe lynch without your vote or was it more an issue that you were busy and didn't think things through (which I'm not faulting you for, I just want to know which one is it)
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 01 2014 19:27 GMT
#1139
On April 02 2014 04:21 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 03:45 austinmcc wrote:
(2) Because I got a phone call shortly before the lynch. Didn't post, didn't swap vote. Honestly didn't expect rayn's death, given the number of "yeah I'm okay lynching gumshoe" posts, but wasn't around to do anything about it.


raynpelikoneet (6) - kushm4sta, Alakaslam, Tehpoofter, Hopeless1der, kitaman27, Amiko
Alakaslam (3) -JarJarDrinks, Djodref, Vivax
kitaman27 (1) - raynpelikoneet
gumshoe (1) - thrawn2112

So the votes looked something like this when you left. Lets assume that rayn and slam are acting logically and would vote for any scenario that would save themselves. Toad claimed that his vote doesn't count so I'll ignore it.

Essentially for gumshoe to be lynched, he needs six votes because of critical mass. That means jarjar, djo, and vivax would need to move in the last 7 minutes, which seems possible, but difficult to pull off if they aren't present. slam would need to move from rayn to gumshoe and then one (or two depending on the slam votes) individuals that mentioned that they preferred rayn would need to move. I suppose poofter was the most likely since he did with seconds left, but he was your strong read so I'm not sure why you would expect that.

Did you really expect a gumshoe lynch without your vote or was it more an issue that you were busy and didn't think things through (which I'm not faulting you for, I just want to know which one is it)
In real time, the second. Crazy exes be crazy.

I can honestly say though that I did not expect a rayn lynch, regardless of whether I was in/out or when I left.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 01 2014 19:31 GMT
#1140
Based on what I remember of thread at there time, there had been at least one other "willing to swap to gumshoe." Unsure who or who their vote was on, we can all go check if needed.

But rayn continued to post crap, and there wasn't much NEW push onto him, it didn't seem like he was going to garner more votes. After his claim, I figured it unlikely he'd be lynched when there was another target that people were kind of amenable to lynching.
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