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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
what I do know of dr who (i've watched like 1.5 seasons) makes me think that maybe scum's wincon is to convert all of us into them or reach a point where nothing can prevent that from happening? hopefully that is the case because then everyone can win if town's bad enough! anyways, anyone want to chat? | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
By the way, Slam is very very likely 3P according to what he posted in the Catastrophe mafia thread, but I don't want to talk about him anymore. We are not lynching him, but we are getting to get rid of him one way or one other. @Hopeless How do you feel now ? Should we carry on with your plan ? @kush Where the fuck are you ? | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On April 01 2014 17:42 thrawn2112 wrote: so i am bored and drunk, but oh well. what I do know of dr who (i've watched like 1.5 seasons) makes me think that maybe scum's wincon is to convert all of us into them or reach a point where nothing can prevent that from happening? hopefully that is the case because then everyone can win if town's bad enough! anyways, anyone want to chat? haha thats awesome. It would be kinda fun if that was the case. So thrawn who do you most want to pressure tomorrow like who do you wish was on to talk the most? | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On April 01 2014 17:42 thrawn2112 wrote: so i am bored and drunk, but oh well. what I do know of dr who (i've watched like 1.5 seasons) makes me think that maybe scum's wincon is to convert all of us into them or reach a point where nothing can prevent that from happening? hopefully that is the case because then everyone can win if town's bad enough! anyways, anyone want to chat? I'm here and I regret to not have been more present yesterday... | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
hmmm. gumshoe obviously. i would like vivax to talk more, no matter his alignment it will be very good for town if he were to talk more. i wanna hear what kita has to say now that he can't talk about rayn. i'm kinda hoping that some people will wake up feeling a bit.... different... tomorrow. as it is i have waaay too many non-scum reads. | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On April 01 2014 17:53 Tehpoofter wrote: @djo if you were more present yesterday what do you think you would ahve pushed more? I think we could have a lynch on gumshoe, I think JarJar, Vivax and me should have moved onto him. Austin did not want to lynch Slam and had too much presence in the thread. | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
Thrawn I'd love to hear your answers to this too. I'll do mine as well. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
Austin - I think his case and the way he fought it was townie. He also had the same line of thinking as me that we shouldn't just lynch SLAM and should try to find real scum sadly he didn't find any scum but neither did I For scum: I want to look at vivax, kita, kush and JJD the most. I don't think they are all four scum but I think there is definitely a scum in there. Vivax for the reason that he tried to bury rayn and then voted slam... like he buries a town and gets off the wagon good lay low scum play imo. Kita: He puhsed on rayn and didn't really seem to listen to his responses during his push if you will note the difference between him and me pushing our cases on rayn I was not really sure and uncertain about if he was scum and austin pointed it out on my case I feel like being sure is more scummy than townie cause I'm trying to figure it out and kita in this case would just need a ML also I pointed out earlier my theory on the vote count thing possibly being from him. Kush: He is here because my town read thrawn wants to know whats up with you. JJD: He says that kita scum slipped calling me and him town maybe he did and kita is scum but it counts against JJD here because I'm in no way confirmed so how does he know I'm town? I mean maybe he read me as town but I didn't see that in his read... I'm going to read his filter after this and see if I missed him calling me town before that but I don't recall it. I ranked my scum and town in order of strongest to weakest. | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On April 01 2014 18:04 thrawn2112 wrote: why do you keep asking people what they think of austin's case against you I think austin's case sounded townie even though it was against me. So its a weird question to ask mafia because if I'm right and austin is town then they have to comment on a town on town case and they might polarize who they can push on safely by answering in a way where they call us both town. I also find it odd it gained like no traction since I was town probably because there wasnt a lot of scum and rayn is stronger than me and was being voted but still its a good thing to bring up now before we get to a point where the main wagons from the D1 are lynched or dead or w.e. so if people bring it up as evidence they have to go with what they say no as opposed to being able to say w.e. they want to throw dirt on me or austin. (again this is mostly based on the read I have that austin is town.) | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On April 01 2014 17:58 Tehpoofter wrote: @djo what do you think about austin's case on me? Who would be your biggest scum reads atm? and like top three town reads. Thrawn I'd love to hear your answers to this too. I'll do mine as well. My biggest scum read at the moment would be hopeless because I find his vote on rayn very opportunistic. I doubt Hopeless really believed rayn to be mafia, and I didn't like him adding fuel to the 1:1 trading situation. My three biggest town reads are thrawn, austin and JJD. thrawn because of his activity and him asking questions here and there, being part of the discussions (easy meta read on thrawn). I think austin is town because he didn't like the rayn lynch, was trying to set up other lynches (gumshoe and yours) and was very active before and after the lynch yesterday. austin feels also very different than from the last game we played together. I changed my mind about JJD, I didn't like his first posts but he was also not sold on the rayn/kita 1:1 and was active and present in the thread before the lynch to argue for Slam lynch. I need to take a second look at all the people who were voting rayn and I need to read again austin case on you. | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On April 01 2014 13:00 JarJarDrinks wrote: Yes. I don't think the case against you is terrible. You were on my radar earlier but have mostly fell off since I feel like kita scumslipped about the 2 of us being town earlier. And yeah I talked to him alot about aslam and I think his stance there is pretty awful. I have no idea why anyone would think slam is town @ this point. So JJD I'm curious did you think I was town before kita made his "scum slip"? I'm confused by your wording. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On April 01 2014 01:54 kitaman27 wrote: Going after difficult targets is the last thing I'd want to do as mafia on day one. When I accuse a player, I want them to think I'm town or not put up a fight. I almost always go after the newbies because they will let me get away with it. I know rayn and kush are the types of players who will have a fit if I do so, so I'd simply pick someone like jarjar, poofter, or the easy slam vote today. The biggest thing about rayn right now is how sure he is. I know that even with the case I have made, I'm not completely confident. He is sharing his reads with certainty with no evidence that he has looked at my past mafia games or questioned me at any point prior to me presenting the case. The biggest thing to address for him regarding my alignment is the shadow connection that I tried to make. Yet rather than suggesting that I tried to duplicate the town meta so that he would develop a town read on me, he ignores it completely. Onto hopeless: + Show Spoiler + On March 31 2014 21:50 Hopeless1der wrote: nothing personal slam  ##Vote: Alakaslam On March 30 2014 06:25 Hopeless1der wrote: because the alternative means i need to be a dick to kita and i dont wanna do that right now. On March 30 2014 06:31 Hopeless1der wrote: whered you go kita? do i need to go through the motions of "totes serious voting" to get a response? I didn't really think too much of the post that Toad/Foolishness pointed out. Hopeless shows signs of guilt with his slam vote. As a town player, I'd expect annoyance from slam's play, yet this comes off as slightly apologetic. His defense of rayn at the start I found scummy and these posts sound as if he is writing them as mafia to sound town, but I admit that is a weak line of reasoning here. These posts seem like the ideal mafia scenario if rayn is indeed town, which would be opportunistic from his perspective. He makes the assumption that if rayn flips town, I must be mafia. This is scummy because up until this point, he hasn't hinted at having a mafia read on me or having a problem with my case. In fact, he defends me explaining how I could coast along with the slam lynch. So there is a gap in logic here if he would be so open to my death. At first, I really thought that rayn and hope could be scum buddies. rayn exploded with anger about Toad's post. He then showed a defeated attitude, as if he had no choice but to vote hope for an incredibly, incredibly weak reason. As buddies, he would have to anticipate a huge wagon on hope at that point and I wasn't feel the sentiment at that time. Since then it seems less likely that they are both mafia, with a shifting read on hope to town from rayn and an attack on rayn from hope after my case. I would say that hope is scummy to me, but the discussion about the town vs town is all speculative, pre-flip analysis, which I'd want to avoid. The biggest point is how open he would be to see me die to enforce the 1v1 trade, without making any argument as to why we must be of opposite alignments. There wasn't enough here to make me move off of rayn here. I'd like to do vivax/djo next and see if austin's points have any merits. austin himself I've ignored for the most part and I'll likely continue to do so until a red flag pops up. Thrawn this is the scumslip that JJD is thinking he found. Basically kita saying he knows me and JJD are both town is the assumption for JJD's claim. | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On March 31 2014 03:05 Tehpoofter wrote: I agree we should lynch the guy wanting to kill not mafia. this is the other "slip" that JJD found btw. He pointed it out in the first post not sure which slip you meant thrawn I was assuming the 2nd one but this is the other one DJO was referring to that JJD referenced. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On April 01 2014 18:24 Tehpoofter wrote: this is the other "slip" that JJD found btw. He pointed it out in the first post not sure which slip you meant thrawn I was assuming the 2nd one but this is the other one DJO was referring to that JJD referenced. I think this one is hardly relevant The one you quoted above is thoughBut both of these posts shows that JJD is actively looking and paying attention to potential scumslips, which is rather a townie thing to do. What do you think about this poof ? | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On April 01 2014 18:31 Djodref wrote: I think this one is hardly relevant The one you quoted above is thoughBut both of these posts shows that JJD is actively looking and paying attention to potential scumslips, which is rather a townie thing to do. What do you think about this poof ? So I come from video mafia and slips like that happen quite a lot and are actually probably 80% town that just are trying to talk things out and say something wrong. So for me I don't look for slips like that. Also people who jump on slips are mafia like 70% of the time plus (these numbers are super arbitrary but basically a majority of the time from video mafia slips are made by town and pointed out by mafia because they push an easy mislynch and look really bad) so my first inclination is actually to think JJD is more mafia for pointing them out. However, I'm aware some of the things from video mafia to forum don't translate very well so maybe the reverse is true here. Like if everyone in this thread posted "omfg JJD so town hes looking for slips" then I'd be willing to say that hes town too because I don't know the culture but for me the fact hes looking for slips is more of a mafia thing. | ||
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