EPTi just think he is mafia because other people look more or less town and have done townie things
Cause other people look more or less town you think Kasla is mafia fakeclaiming 3p?
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Vivax
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Cause other people look more or less town you think Kasla is mafia fakeclaiming 3p? | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On April 01 2014 02:42 JarJarDrinks wrote: He says if he was scum, he'd go after me. That to me, means that he knows I'm not scum. That doesn't make sense. I actually do think you're kinda townie for taking a contrarian position. I suspect that if rayn is mafia then his buddies would be unlikely to oppose me. If rayn is town, then his buddies would likely either support my case or call us both town, vote slam and go with the easy "I told you so" type of deal. From a mafia perspective, if we're both town, the reason to go after me is that I'm less likely to flip so you can stay on me the following cycle, but that seems less likely at the moment. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
On April 01 2014 03:02 Vivax wrote: Cause other people look more or less town you think Kasla is mafia fakeclaiming 3p? JESUS FUCKING CHRIST IN THE POST YOU JUST QUOTED AND YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT I LITERALLY SAY I DON'T THINK SLAM IS MAFIA!! what the fuck Vivax? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
[red]kitaman gumshoe Vivax mafia in there. not that anyone will listen. town lost gg. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On March 29 2014 00:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: 11. kitaman27 - hard read tricky Another thing to note. In the catastrophe thread, rayn chose to briefly describe the meta of each player. For me, he chose "hard read tricky". In his web post, he also describes me as hard to read. For someone that admits to having difficulty reading me historically, he is suddenly crystal clear in regards to my alignment. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On April 01 2014 02:43 Vivax wrote: I am working things off one by one. Nowhere did I say my suspicion of kita went "poof", so don't assume so just cause I am currently not asking him questions. If you could simply answer instead of spamming desperation cryouts cause of a question then it would be appreciated thanks. So to be clear, what do you think? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On April 01 2014 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Weak scum: gumshoe - hasn't said anything Kill with fire: kitaman27 Alakaslam So lynch kita -> lynch gumshoe. Hope one of them flips yak and then lynch Slam. There is probably gonna be one more mafia after that in case Slam is not mafia (i don't think he is). If Slam is third faction with KP you are all fucked and it's good i am not in the game because i would be so mad. On April 01 2014 01:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: [red]gumshoe is also scum.[red] Remember when i talked about people who don't have to do anything when Slam is on the chopping block? On March 30 2014 07:22 gumshoe wrote: I am the doctor, in two or less paragraphs tell me why you should be my next companion. says nothing On March 30 2014 07:32 gumshoe wrote: Tell me WHY you should be my companion please. Oh and pro tip, if you are in possession of boobs that doesn't exactly hurt your cause / :. says nothing On March 30 2014 08:34 gumshoe wrote: Oh, my, god. Contest is done. Just gonna be you me and space from now on ( : wanna go see a lava planet? nothing On March 30 2014 08:48 gumshoe wrote: Welp, almost anyone whose ever travelled with me has met some kind of horrible end, but I'm sure you'll be find :D nothing On March 30 2014 08:55 gumshoe wrote: This is our game dalek scum : P were the ones who are going to policy lynch you XD nothing On April 01 2014 02:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: On April 01 2014 02:02 austinmcc wrote: p.s. I think that if we can't get much agreement at all, we should lynch gumshoe (i think that's the right alternative I am sorry but i am not sure gumshoe is mafia enough to lynch him over Slam and i am sure kitaman is mafia so regardless of what everyone does my vote will not switch. You probably end up lynching me because Toad has no vote and Hopeless and kush will not change their votes regardless of what happens. Slam will stay on me because he can't win otherwise as i will lynch him some day and so will kita. So there you go, you have a buch of dumb people, a bunch of scum and a third faction who will not help you. You see why i don't care about getting lynched? [B]On April 01 2014 03:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: There's some screwy bold tags in there somewhere to go with screwy red tags. Not cleaning.Okay i really just fuck off now. this is getting so fucking terrible. [b][red]kitaman gumshoe Vivax mafia in there. not that anyone will listen. town lost gg. Gumshoe is weak scum, scummy, but you don't want to lynch him over slam, who you somewhat want to lynch because you think, regardless of alignment, he is anti-town and must be lynched? But he's always in your scum group...why would you not want to lynch him? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
If you don't answer, I will probably never make an item and pretend to give it to you. Man, I got the best threats/motivational tools. There are a couple posters who just don't see scum anywhere, and it's unlikely that THEY are the scummy ones (they aren't your scumreads, so either your scumreads are wrong and scum is just lazy "ain't no scum" or they are actually town and a lot of townies are just not finding people scummy). Gumshoe sort of fits that, and he IS doing nothing. You seriously don't think we default on him if people don't agree, despite finding him scummy? | ||
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Vivax
21690 Posts
I like how you explain things around rayn here in your post in spoiler since I got the feeling that he's creating a lot of confusion and drama and I don't like that, it's just that I can't tell if he's doing it on purpose or cause he's just being like that and town but what I do see is that he throws around with scumreads without trying to let them be productive. He's accusatory not inquisitive and he reminds me of the kind of attitude I saw on him in that game where he hydraed with Mocsta as scum, in which he also behaved pretty negatively throughout the game. I'm not sure if I would lynch him D1 though, I would rather be happy with a Kaslam lynch, like I mentioned it's also possible he's traitor and it's already enough if we don't lynch town and get the doubt of the way. + Show Spoiler + On March 31 2014 23:12 kitaman27 wrote: On raynpelikoneet So here is what I was doing at the start of this game. I was actually trying to accomplish something with my play. I was reproducing my behavior to a tee from the recent shadow mini mafia game. + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2014 09:31 kitaman27 wrote: ##Vote Sandroba On January 21 2014 11:28 kitaman27 wrote: I'm not voting him as a joke. I think he is a great vote. We should lynch him today. On January 21 2014 10:46 kitaman27 wrote: Wanna vote sandroba with me? He may or may not be scummy. On January 21 2014 10:34 kitaman27 wrote: Do you think I'm trying to paint sandroba in a bad light using my "scummy thought process" like you mentioned or do you think that it was a random vote with little thought? I random voted moments into the game, I refused to provide an explanation when asked, I requested that someone vote with me without details, I asked a similar question when prompted, and I moved off the random vote shortly after. The goal here was to prompt someone to question my behavior and see if they attempt to make the connection or if they simply pass off my play as scummy. rayn mentioned that he observed shadow and toad and austin played in it, so even if they don't remember the random vote, it would likely be the first place to look as it was my most recent town game. It's important to note that I'm not trying to say that me emulating my shadow mafia play makes me town. I'm saying that the connection is there for anyone interested in finding it. I was pretty happy that rayn had suggested that was was going to do some research and pushed him in the right direction several times as you can see below. + Show Spoiler + On March 30 2014 15:54 kitaman27 wrote: As for your "web of disruption" post, it has a catchy name, but I'll respond once you come to an actual conclusion. On March 30 2014 16:23 kitaman27 wrote: Well I'm going to bed now. When I wake up, can you provide a follow up to the "web of disruption" post? On March 31 2014 01:06 kitaman27 wrote: rayn, have you finished your research yet? On multiple occasions, rayn confirms that he will do the work to back up his initial suspicions. + Show Spoiler + On March 30 2014 14:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now i gotta figure out if kita does this only as mafia or does he do this as town too (or maybe only as town?) On March 30 2014 16:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes. I'll watch the Formula 1 race that starts in ~30min and i'll do my research after that. Yet when push comes to shove, he decides not to put the effort in. He spends the time into coming up with his thesis that I'm creating a "web of disruption", yet has no interest in backing it up. If he is going to call me scummy, when does he have no interest in catching me? Now there are three possible explanations: 1) He dropped the ball as town, attacking me without putting in the effort 2) He did the research as mafia, didn't like what he found, and dropped the case to avoid calling me town 3) He is a lazy scum player who didn't want to go after me at a point where several players are calling me town If rayn thought that I was looking decently townie otherwise, then maybe I'd consider number one. The biggest issue that I have right now is that as far as I can tell, I am rayn's number one scum suspect. He is pushing slam for being anti-town and shows that he may have reconsidered his read on tehpoofer, yet not a word about myself. rayn describes his play best. I don't think you can argue that he isn't being lazy here. rayn was given the pieces of the puzzle to solve and he chose not to because he "doesn't care". This line of thought is pretty terrible. He explains his willingness to vote for hopelessness over a minor observation about hope a few hours into the game. Not only does he not consider that foolishness could be wrong, he is using the justification for the vote because he respects foolishness as a player, not because he thinks its a valid argument. He even goes as far as dropping his suspicion of myself due to my interaction with hope. rayn states that he has done the most scum hunting in the game hands down, he suggests that I am his number one scum read, and he hasn't showed any attempt to figure out my alignment. As he mentioned earlier, he is trying to force the pieces in the wrong order. The one thing holding me up is 1) His mass claim policy is consistent with his previous behavior as town 2) Slam is one of the most anti-town players in recent memory Right now I'd probably be leaning towards a rayn lynch and hopefully having a vig take care of slam so he is removed as a discussion topic. I would like to look at a few more individuals before I finalize my vote. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On April 01 2014 03:38 Vivax wrote: I like how you explain things around rayn here in your post in spoiler since I got the feeling that he's creating a lot of confusion and drama and I don't like that, it's just that I can't tell if he's doing it on purpose or cause he's just being like that and town but what I do see is that he throws around with scumreads without trying to let them be productive. He's accusatory not inquisitive and he reminds me of the kind of attitude I saw on him in that game where he hydraed with Mocsta as scum, in which he also behaved pretty negatively throughout the game. I'm not sure if I would lynch him D1 though, I would rather be happy with a Kaslam lynch, like I mentioned it's also possible he's traitor and it's already enough if we don't lynch town and get the doubt of the way. + Show Spoiler + On March 31 2014 23:12 kitaman27 wrote: On raynpelikoneet So here is what I was doing at the start of this game. I was actually trying to accomplish something with my play. I was reproducing my behavior to a tee from the recent shadow mini mafia game. + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2014 09:31 kitaman27 wrote: ##Vote Sandroba On January 21 2014 11:28 kitaman27 wrote: I'm not voting him as a joke. I think he is a great vote. We should lynch him today. On January 21 2014 10:46 kitaman27 wrote: Wanna vote sandroba with me? He may or may not be scummy. On January 21 2014 10:34 kitaman27 wrote: Do you think I'm trying to paint sandroba in a bad light using my "scummy thought process" like you mentioned or do you think that it was a random vote with little thought? I random voted moments into the game, I refused to provide an explanation when asked, I requested that someone vote with me without details, I asked a similar question when prompted, and I moved off the random vote shortly after. The goal here was to prompt someone to question my behavior and see if they attempt to make the connection or if they simply pass off my play as scummy. rayn mentioned that he observed shadow and toad and austin played in it, so even if they don't remember the random vote, it would likely be the first place to look as it was my most recent town game. It's important to note that I'm not trying to say that me emulating my shadow mafia play makes me town. I'm saying that the connection is there for anyone interested in finding it. I was pretty happy that rayn had suggested that was was going to do some research and pushed him in the right direction several times as you can see below. + Show Spoiler + On March 30 2014 15:54 kitaman27 wrote: As for your "web of disruption" post, it has a catchy name, but I'll respond once you come to an actual conclusion. On March 30 2014 16:23 kitaman27 wrote: Well I'm going to bed now. When I wake up, can you provide a follow up to the "web of disruption" post? On March 31 2014 01:06 kitaman27 wrote: rayn, have you finished your research yet? On multiple occasions, rayn confirms that he will do the work to back up his initial suspicions. + Show Spoiler + On March 30 2014 14:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now i gotta figure out if kita does this only as mafia or does he do this as town too (or maybe only as town?) On March 30 2014 16:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes. I'll watch the Formula 1 race that starts in ~30min and i'll do my research after that. Yet when push comes to shove, he decides not to put the effort in. He spends the time into coming up with his thesis that I'm creating a "web of disruption", yet has no interest in backing it up. If he is going to call me scummy, when does he have no interest in catching me? Now there are three possible explanations: 1) He dropped the ball as town, attacking me without putting in the effort 2) He did the research as mafia, didn't like what he found, and dropped the case to avoid calling me town 3) He is a lazy scum player who didn't want to go after me at a point where several players are calling me town If rayn thought that I was looking decently townie otherwise, then maybe I'd consider number one. The biggest issue that I have right now is that as far as I can tell, I am rayn's number one scum suspect. He is pushing slam for being anti-town and shows that he may have reconsidered his read on tehpoofer, yet not a word about myself. rayn describes his play best. I don't think you can argue that he isn't being lazy here. rayn was given the pieces of the puzzle to solve and he chose not to because he "doesn't care". This line of thought is pretty terrible. He explains his willingness to vote for hopelessness over a minor observation about hope a few hours into the game. Not only does he not consider that foolishness could be wrong, he is using the justification for the vote because he respects foolishness as a player, not because he thinks its a valid argument. He even goes as far as dropping his suspicion of myself due to my interaction with hope. rayn states that he has done the most scum hunting in the game hands down, he suggests that I am his number one scum read, and he hasn't showed any attempt to figure out my alignment. As he mentioned earlier, he is trying to force the pieces in the wrong order. The one thing holding me up is 1) His mass claim policy is consistent with his previous behavior as town 2) Slam is one of the most anti-town players in recent memory Right now I'd probably be leaning towards a rayn lynch and hopefully having a vig take care of slam so he is removed as a discussion topic. I would like to look at a few more individuals before I finalize my vote. I was actually referring to your views on my own alignment. | ||
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Vivax
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
It seems unlikely that mafia would have both a town recruiting role and a traitor role in the same game. I suppose a third party traitor that joins the mafia team is a possibility, but I've never seem something like that before. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On April 01 2014 03:46 Vivax wrote: it seemed like you reacted to the pressure by giving a summary of the situation which felt like a stretch I was hardly under any pressure at any point prior to presenting my rayn post. Would you mind pointing out what you are referring to? | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
I'll be checking the voting thread on my phone. | ||
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Vivax
21690 Posts
On April 01 2014 03:49 kitaman27 wrote: Would anyone consider traitor to fall under the category of changing alignment? I wouldn't really. Traitors generally are always mafia, its just that they can communicate if identified. It seems unlikely that mafia would have both a town recruiting role and a traitor role in the same game. I suppose a third party traitor that joins the mafia team is a possibility, but I've never seem something like that before. Who says he has to be an alignment changer? Maybe there's also a cultist type of role. In any case lynching him is not a bad idea cause with a traitor mafia can claim at mylo and try to let him win with them cause if he doesn't they just shoot him lol. | ||
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Vivax
21690 Posts
On April 01 2014 03:51 kitaman27 wrote: I was hardly under any pressure at any point prior to presenting my rayn post. Would you mind pointing out what you are referring to? Sure you were, thrawn, rayn and a few others I think kept asking you questions to wtf you were doing. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On April 01 2014 03:54 Vivax wrote: Sure you were, thrawn, rayn and a few others I think kept asking you questions to wtf you were doing. Meh I think your time line is bit off since you're referring to events that were 30+ hours apart that would trigger my reaction long past when it was relavent, but I did find the posts that you could possibly referring to so I won't argue any further. Are you saying that slam is the best lynch today? Who would you consider after him? | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
i will say that i have read the thread and i'm not impressed with the push to lynch rayn but i'm not really willing lynch kita for it. usually weird trap plays that don't seem to make too much sense come from town, and that is enough for me to ignore kita's bad case against rayn. as stated before i am soooo down to lynch a lurker. i notived some people mentioning gumshoe and i'm perfectly fine with that | ||
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