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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On April 01 2014 02:00 austinmcc wrote: I'm cool with that last paragraph and can see that as a reason for finding him town --> as scum he'd do this thing and he's not doing that thing, so he's more likely town. But I think it goes both ways. As town, I don't think this is the right action. Do you? Of course i don't think it's the right action. The right action would have been to trust me and thrawn when we said that stuff does not make me mafia. But him not doing so is not scummy -> it only tells about him being interested in making his own conclusions and finding his own shit. Which is townie. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On April 01 2014 02:01 austinmcc wrote: rayn is not...lacking for scumreads. Poofter is, if he isn't sure on rayn. Yes he is. Has has his omgus vote on myself, the third party claim, and the inactive guy. On April 01 2014 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Weak scum: gumshoe - hasn't said anything Kill with fire: kitaman27 Alakaslam | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On April 01 2014 02:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: What conclusions has he reached and what shit has he found.Of course i don't think it's the right action. The right action would have been to trust me and thrawn when we said that stuff does not make me mafia. But him not doing so is not scummy -> it only tells about him being interested in making his own conclusions and finding his own shit. Which is townie. It's turning towards the end of D2 and if the conclusion he's reached is "the guy I thought was scum might not be scum," then it should CAUSE HIM TO LOOK FOR MORE SCUM. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On April 01 2014 02:02 austinmcc wrote: p.s. I think that if we can't get much agreement at all, we should lynch gumshoe (i think that's the right alternative I am sorry but i am not sure gumshoe is mafia enough to lynch him over Slam and i am sure kitaman is mafia so regardless of what everyone does my vote will not switch. You probably end up lynching me because Toad has no vote and Hopeless and kush will not change their votes regardless of what happens. Slam will stay on me because he can't win otherwise as i will lynch him some day and so will kita. So there you go, you have a buch of dumb people, a bunch of scum and a third faction who will not help you. You see why i don't care about getting lynched? | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
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kitaman27
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
1) he does not look at my answers which i have already given 2) there is no way anything i say can change his stance on me. srsly look at the case. a bunch of stuff that has happened 40 hours ago. i gave my explanations. what do i do now as town in his opinion? give different answers? "you are a liar scum". give same answers? "not good enough i didn't believe them last time" It's like a really good way to make a case and i do that myself all the time as mafia. You make a case against a townie, a case where whatever answers the dude gives you can still call him mafia.  | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Vivax
22338 Posts
On March 31 2014 16:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: austin looks really good. I am surprised i get what he is saying. tehpoofer actually is probably scum. He tells me to do scumhunting. Surprise surprise i think i have done the most scumhunting in this game hands down. He has talked about nothing than me, he bases his read on me on one game (rofl), noone agrees with him on his read, yet his meta read must be correct. ^^ I could write a bigger case but i don't wanna do that right now. Basically he keeps flip-flopping over same things over and over again, when i tell him why they are wrong he forgets them for a while and then they suddenly just reappear. He is saying maybe two things and nothing else in this game. I agree with whoever said (austin?) that Hopeless is town. While i think his play is completely useless and idiotic he is town. JJD also looks okayish. so kita and tehpoofer are most likely scum. maybe gumshoe. On April 01 2014 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: bah i promised to tell you who is scum so no selfvoting: ##unvote vote kitaman27 Strong townies: Toadesstern - town austinmcc - had a good post about Hopeless, i totally agree with the thought process and conclusion. Hopeless would be an easy target for scum to go after, austin has not been in thread so he would probably go after him. Hopeless1der - sadly he is town, and a strong read. will not help most likely  thrawn2112 - has only good posts and is making a lot of sense. most likely to solve this game. seems to be one of the few people with any brain. kushm4sta - dumb but town. Djodref - claimed blue. Tehpoofter - brave. says stuff he wants to. while dumb conclusions they make sense for town!poofer to say more than mafia!poofer. Weaker town: JarJarDrinks - focuses on things he usually focuses on as town. will most likely be called scum at some point because people don't know what he does as town, or rather don't understand. thrawn focus on people who go after JJD and see why they do. If JJD is town (he more likely is) he is easy mislynch because people just don't get why he says stuff he does. you will get it, noone else will most likely. Amiko - would have liked to hear more from him. he does stuff that's weird and focuses on weird stuff but he is kinda brave and doesn't hesitate to give his opinions on things. looks townie. Vivax - thinks kita is scum. Weak scum: gumshoe - hasn't said anything Kill with fire: kitaman27 Alakaslam Now there is a possibility Slam is scum. Remember that. The problem is if you are going to lynch me you need to lynch mafia on D2 and D3 and you can't lynch Slam. You'll most likely lose if you do because of the yak shit. D1 doesn't matter but if you lynch town on D1 you can't risk lynching Slam on D2. You just can't and that's on you then. So lynch kita -> lynch gumshoe. Hope one of them flips yak and then lynch Slam. There is probably gonna be one more mafia after that in case Slam is not mafia (i don't think he is). If Slam is third faction with KP you are all fucked and it's good i am not in the game because i would be so mad. This is going to be my last post. Maybe i'll rub some salt into your wounds and come back and claim 5min before the deadline, just to tell how dumb you are. then you say your vote on Hopeless was some kind of sheepy vote on a multitude of players. Kita is among them, this is the last thing you wrote about him before putting that vote is this: It makes sense to me but kita is building the web for some reason. I think it's distracting and therefore scummy. I don't see what he is trying to achieve. after having called his play scummy for a while. So you wanna say that you voted hopeless cause you trusted one of your suspects to be making the right guess? On April 01 2014 01:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: My vote on Hopeless was because of the one post i found odd and because Toad was town and if all of Toad, Foolishness and kita think Hopeless is scum, in addition to me finding a scummy post from him he is probably scum. Then he started doing townie stuff and Slam claimed anti-town. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On April 01 2014 02:07 kitaman27 wrote: Hopelessaustin, could I get your perspective on hopeless (mainly whether you find the enforcement of the 1:1 trade scummy without having a scum read on me) and on djo? Hasn't really done anything, so this still applies, although somewhat weakened by the "not doing anything" Right now I'm moderately alright with hopeless. When called out by toad, he asked why he was mafia, said all they did was drop two quotes and say to lynch him. It's a very ... middle of the road reaction? He's not super worried about being called out. He's not entirely unconcerned. That's slightly slightly slightly townie for me. I think his bits on rayn are curious to post as scum, that you're not going to defend yourself because you think someone else is going to push this other lynch. It reads like a legitimate thought, and not something you want to post in thread if scum? I don't put boatloads of stock in it, but so far those bits from him leave me feeling not-scummy-by-a-small-margin on him. I don't think he's particularly trying to take advantage of anything with his play though. Nope nope nope. Most worrying thing about him is the focus on rayn/slam and that jazz. It IS an easy topic for scum to post about, it IS a thing that I'd expect scum to want to talk about. However, hopeless doesn't keep chatting about it even when he could. If he's mafia, he's sitting back when he could be screwing with the thread and driving it (what I believe to be) off course. Don't want to lynch. Don't want to crown Emperor of the Green. The 1:1 trade thing I just don't care about at all. If there is ACTUALLY "enforcement," then that's a thing to worry about. Otherwise it's just talk and I don't care and I think all talk of 1:1s is sillypants but it seems to come from all alignments. So I don't find it scummy. Djodref Djo calls a buttload of people town, that's the main thing I notice and it makes me okay with him for now (scum needs scummy folks, mislynches. If he has a hard time calling people scum as the game goes on, it's a red flag, but scum can't just sit back and call everyone town I don't think). I like the initial, simple reaction to slam and not spamming about it. I think a random mid/late D1 pressure vote into unvote and saying "PRESSURE VOTE" is a silly thing for mafia to do. Mild town points. The copout vote is smelly, but I'm overall okay with djo? If he's playing mafia, he's going to have a hard time continuing to play in the manner in which he is. So I say he keeps going, and if he paints himself into a corner he probably outs himself as he removes himself from said corner, or at the very least he has to figure out how to call people he's been labeling townie scummy, and that will make him do some work and making scum do work is good for me/us. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Seriously i am starting to think noone is capable of reading other than marv. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On April 01 2014 01:54 kitaman27 wrote: Going after difficult targets is the last thing I'd want to do as mafia on day one. When I accuse a player, I want them to think I'm town or not put up a fight. I almost always go after the newbies because they will let me get away with it. I know rayn and kush are the types of players who will have a fit if I do so, so I'd simply pick someone like jarjar, poofter, or the easy slam vote today. Poofter is his "blind spot" supposedly and he hasn't said anything indicating he thinks I'm town. Yet he seems to know that we'd be mislynches. | ||
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Vivax
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On April 01 2014 01:54 kitaman27 wrote: And yet you did in fact choose difficult targets day one. Guess that means ur not mafia huh?Going after difficult targets is the last thing I'd want to do as mafia on day one. See this is exactly like the early random vote thing. You do something that you feel is a townie thing to do and then when you're still being called scum, you point out to everyone how what you're doing is town. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On April 01 2014 02:37 Vivax wrote: He says if he was scum, he'd go after me. That to me, means that he knows I'm not scum.JarJar he said he'd go after you if he were scum cause he doesn't expect you to fight back much, not cause you'd be an easy mislynch. | ||
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Vivax
22338 Posts
On April 01 2014 02:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am putting Vivax back to null - leaning scum because his kitanamn suspicion went *poof* and it disappeared and he is not reading properly. I am working things off one by one. Nowhere did I say my suspicion of kita went "poof", so don't assume so just cause I am currently not asking him questions. If you could simply answer instead of spamming desperation cryouts cause of a question then it would be appreciated thanks. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
And no, i am not answering questions i have already answered because that's something that tells nothing about me, it only tells that you have not read the thread properly. Go to my filter and search the answers. If you don't like them that's another thing but that's not your problem atm. Anyways last time i help you out. Things in chronological order: - Hopeless says bad stuff. multiple people call him out (at this point i can't possibly have a read on kita because it's the first thing he says in the game). I have my own read and other reads that make sense so Hopeless could be mafia. Later on i decide Hopeless is town for the stuff he says after that. At the same time, when i go through everyone's posts i also decide kita is scum because of process of elimination. I am not sure of kita being scum so i keep my vote on Slam, i just think he is mafia because other people look more or less town and have done townie things. Then kita starts doing scummy things. There you go. All this is obvious if you read my posts in context. | ||
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