EPTOn March 31 2014 07:37 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
RJ, are you doctor?
RJ, are you doctor?
STOP ADKING ABOUT THIS SHIT. YOU DON'T NEED TO KNOW IF YOU ARE TOWN.
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Lord Tolkien
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STOP ADKING ABOUT THIS SHIT. YOU DON'T NEED TO KNOW IF YOU ARE TOWN. | ||
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RolandJarvis
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OnceKing
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Reads atm Towniest of towns tier OnceKing Probably town tier RJ LT Valenius Sketchy tier Robik Scum tier sqrt | ||
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sqrtofneg1
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On March 31 2014 08:13 OnceKing wrote: I think sqrt is mafia. He keeps assuming there's a medic in the setup which would keep him consistent with his convenient claim to have been roleblocked. Reads atm Towniest of towns tier OnceKing Probably town tier RJ LT Valenius Sketchy tier Robik Scum tier sqrt Well, what do you want me to expect? I was roleblocked, and that means there's a medic in the setup. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
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On March 31 2014 08:32 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Well, what do you want me to expect? I was roleblocked, and that means there's a medic in the setup. Then stop asking about it. If you're town YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW WHO'S MEDIC. The only ones who wants to know are SCUM so they can nightkill him. | ||
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sqrtofneg1
Canada1158 Posts
On March 31 2014 08:37 Lord Tolkien wrote: Then stop asking about it. If you're town YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW WHO'S MEDIC. The only ones who wants to know are SCUM so they can nightkill him. Well, too late now. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
It's a cease and desist. Sure, it's fine to let us know you were roleblocked. But stop asking about the medic jeez. | ||
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OnceKing
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sqrt has made a large number of questionable posts this game. Let's examine his posts after the short-lived joke phase. Here is sqrt's first large post. Unfortunately over half of this post is actually just quoting LT, and as noted previously by both Valenius and myself he makes no original contribution in it. Of further interest, however, are the several inconsistencies in this post. In the initial overview, he writes... Val hasn't been doing much, other than questioning the lurker policy, (kind of like me) so no read on him. But then he goes and says this: He demotes Val to leaning town. Maybe he now realizes that he was too obvious in pushing Val for town. If he's mafia, Val's also mafia. He also makes a scumtrap that's horribly planned out. Top mafia in my eyes. How can Valenius be a null read if he and LT are scum partners, and LT is top scum? It doesn't make sense. After that he continues to parrot things that were already said before. Later on in response to some questions I ask him he makes this post. Notice how he completely avoids taking sides on Valenius's reads other than the one on him -- here it seems he's very carefully trying to avoid attention or disagreeing with anyone, except for the "obvious" one to say that he's town. The parroting continues: here observing something Eden, Robik and I already said; here he says something that I stated previously, and even here I directly ask him if he's got anything of his own to add he blatantly says "Other than the ones already mentioned, no." as if to insist those are his own. Furthermore he keeps talking about town power roles, trying to fish for a doctor claim. Upon realizing that there's a cop he also says that he's been roleblocked knowing full well that especially with the cop dead there's no way we can verify the existence of either a medic or a roleblocker, and repeatedly subtly nudging discussion towards setup. Here's another example: On March 31 2014 07:27 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Okay, time to start analyzing. This next night kill is crucial for mafia. Who could it be? Who does it make sense for mafia to kill? Coming into D2, I thought that the next obvious choice is Robik. But the problem is, he hasn't posted a whole lot lately. I'm inclined to believe the birthday party excuse for Robik because he's in another game, and he hasn't posted lately on that game either. Anyways, back to the night kill. Who do you think looks the most like the doctor currently? Who does the mafia think is the doctor? Will they even go for the doctor? Or will they go for the top contributing town? What's the point of all these questions? Do they even serve a purpose towards clearing up the picture? (spoiler: answer is no). He's just asking questions to ask questions. On day 2 here are his opening posts: On March 30 2014 10:50 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Wait a second, wait a second. Robik is usually very loud and active. Right now, he's not. Suspicious. On March 31 2014 01:39 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I'm gonna go for RJ. #Vote RolandJarvis So Robik's suspicious, but he votes for RJ without explanation? He only posts again at the end of day to hop onto Pixalated instead, and then has this piece of gold: On March 31 2014 07:17 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Well, this makes me look bad, doesn't it? Here sqrt demonstrates a concern about what people think of him or how what he posts looks. Let's consider a townie's perspective: he wants to get his point across no matter what and push for what he thinks, regardless of how unpopular the opinion is. Therefore he's not worried about blending in, or if things make him look bad because he posts with the conviction of being correct. On the other hand a mafia member's posting is much more fearful. He doesn't want to say things that too many people disagree with because then people will start asking questions and pressuring him, and the last thing he wants is to have to deal with pressure. He is overly concerned with his appearance, wanting to stay on everyone's good side so that he doesn't get lynched. And he doesn't want to add new information to the town because every piece of the puzzle town finds is a step closer to his death. Which does sqrt's posting sound like? Which is sqrt's alignment? sqrtofneg1 must be scum. | ||
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RolandJarvis
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Night 1 Robik was quite angry with eden. Eden was not having it and fired back hard. Robik quickly backed down. Yesterday Tolkien and Valenius were quite angry with me for my extended non-posting. My replies were pretty passive. Their anger persisted. This is why I keep saying never lynch Tolkien and Valenius. Their anger was real. I could feel the hate coming from Valenius. Scum has no reason to be really angry with me. Me not posting makes it easier for them to not post. Sure they might fake it but this was real. Now if I had played differently and fired back hard at Tolkien and Valenius saying they were very wrong and I was right, do you think they back down quickly? Of course not. That's not how real anger works. But that is what Robik did. This is why I think his anger was faked, calculated to make him look good. But he couldn't win a prolonged battle with eden so he ended the fight. I was prepared to read hundreds of posts of recriminations but actually it was over almost as soon as it started. It doesn't make sense. Town can't calm down that fast from being that angry about something that important. Emotions don't work like that. Scum can though because it's fake. cliffs: Tolkien, Valenius good. Robik evil. | ||
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RolandJarvis
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IAmRobik
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Ooookay, so Pixalated wasn't mafia. That sucks. He was scummy as fuck for all the reasons I pointed out on d1. We're in a really shitty spot now as tomorrow is lylo. We MUST lynch correctly. At this point, a lot will depend on the night kill. I presume based off of my inactivity during the weekend, and how wrong I was about pixalated, I'll probably be left alive as a likely mislynch candidate. I guess I have no one to blame for that but myself. It's obvious that my reads this game have no been top notch. I'm gonna have to do some serious soul searching to try to figure out who the 2 mafia are. I don't wanna post too many things, but there are certain individuals who don't look like they're mafia to me, and certain individuals who do look like mafia but don't really make sense as a group. I think everone should read their top 2 suspects and try to determine if those people can be a mafia pair (i did this, and realized that the two I'm thinking are probably not together) | ||
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IAmRobik
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On March 31 2014 21:30 RolandJarvis wrote: It still amazes me that neither Robik nor sqrt tried to interact with me at all when they returned yesterday. I was the lead wagon much of the day and that goes away and they have absolutely nothing to say about it. I was gunning for Robik and he didn't even acknowledge that. I talked about sqrt on both sides, he ignored it. But he was around after the reveal? I don't get it. Do you read the thread or do you just post this nonsense? You said "i don't have time for you to catch up" when I clearly had no plan on catching up yesterday. I was out drinking all of saturday and then we woke up and went to brunch of sunday. We came back to my friend's apartment and I was lying on the couch drinking a Racer 5 and watching Wolf of Wall St when I realized that I hadn't posted and that it was imperative for me to do so. So I did to not get modkilled so that we have a chance to win. I had _NO_ idea that you were "gunning for me" | ||
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RolandJarvis
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It's night 2. You've pushed nobody. You've not cared who gets lynched. You've made no effort to clear anybody. Yes you have posts they say things but you aren't trying to persuade anybody, you aren't trying to get your way. This is a complete mismatch with an experienced player who is going to show everybody how to play. If you were town you'd be making reads on everybody and selling them. You'd challenge people who disagree with you. There'd be no doubt about your reads, everybody would KNOW. You'd be terrified about being nk'd and want to make a post solving the game before you died thinking we'd all follow it. Nobody was surprised you didn't die n1. Nobody is going to be surprised when you don't die tonight. You are scum. Now please get lynched. | ||
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RolandJarvis
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You see yourself as a leader. This is not the behavior of a town leader and that only leaves one team for ya. | ||
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IAmRobik
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On April 01 2014 00:21 RolandJarvis wrote: To answer your point, it's not the showing up drunk at EOD that's a problem. It's that you made it all the way to EOD without having voted. You just waited until the lynch was decided and made a safe vote. Again. Just like day 1. You see yourself as a leader. This is not the behavior of a town leader and that only leaves one team for ya. 1) you're being a hypocrite cause you didn't vote until EOD either 2) I wasn't around until EOD ... hell. I wasn't even around AT EOD. I was in the thread for less than 5 minutes. I was on my phone. I wasn't reading anything. I just voted who I wanted to vote. I didn't even know what the wagons were and I didn't even stick around to see who was lynched. | ||
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RolandJarvis
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RolandJarvis
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On April 01 2014 00:26 IAmRobik wrote: 1) you're being a hypocrite cause you didn't vote until EOD either 2) I wasn't around until EOD ... hell. I wasn't even around AT EOD. I was in the thread for less than 5 minutes. I was on my phone. I wasn't reading anything. I just voted who I wanted to vote. I didn't even know what the wagons were and I didn't even stick around to see who was lynched. 1) Nope. For one I read the thread (took no time) and gave opinions on most players while the lynch was actually being decided. More importantly though, I haven't put myself out there as an expert and a leader. I am just a guy trying out mafia at team liquid. If I don't like it I just disappear. I could not have less ego invested in this game. You care about your rep here. But you don't care who gets lynched. That is the contradiction that gives you away. 2) You are making my case for me. You had no idea who was being lynched day 2 and you didn't care. You have no responsibility for anything that happened. I understand and agree with you. We disagree about what that means. At some point you are going to have to take a stand on players, starting with me. Which way will you go? | ||
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IAmRobik
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On April 01 2014 03:12 RolandJarvis wrote: 1) Nope. For one I read the thread (took no time) and gave opinions on most players while the lynch was actually being decided. More importantly though, I haven't put myself out there as an expert and a leader. I am just a guy trying out mafia at team liquid. If I don't like it I just disappear. I could not have less ego invested in this game. You care about your rep here. But you don't care who gets lynched. That is the contradiction that gives you away. 2) You are making my case for me. You had no idea who was being lynched day 2 and you didn't care. You have no responsibility for anything that happened. I understand and agree with you. We disagree about what that means. At some point you are going to have to take a stand on players, starting with me. Which way will you go? I'm pretty sure that I took a stance on everyone in this game. Not sure why you are making false statements about my play and expressing them as 100% facts. I don't care how long it took you to read or catch up. I didn't have time to read or catch up whatsoever this weekend. So I didn't. I voted the person who I thought was the scummiest throughout the game. I had ZERO clue who the wagons were and if there was a push on me, there have been no way for me to stop it. All I knew was that I had to post and I had to vote for the person who I thought was the scummiest. If you're saying that my having a life outside of this game expresses that I don't care a) about this game b) who got lynched, those are both incorrect statements. | ||
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