EPTthe post itself wasn't nervous, but I think it might show nervousness that he chose to talk about setup over everything else.
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VIVAX420
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the post itself wasn't nervous, but I think it might show nervousness that he chose to talk about setup over everything else. | ||
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sidesprang
Norway1033 Posts
On February 13 2014 22:26 VIVAX420 wrote: i thought more about mattchew's comment on sidespring. the post itself wasn't nervous, but I think it might show nervousness that he chose to talk about setup over everything else. wtf... | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On February 13 2014 22:26 VIVAX420 wrote: This is pretty much how I feel. Scum is looking for something "safe" to talk about. The fact that of all the things in the thread he could respond to, he chose setup talk, is scummy IMO.i thought more about mattchew's comment on sidespring. the post itself wasn't nervous, but I think it might show nervousness that he chose to talk about setup over everything else. | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
On February 13 2014 20:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: thrawn are there any sepecific posts about Vivax/kush you are interested in knowing who posted what? Mattchew any reason why you have STILL not answered my questions i asked at the start of the game? Rob, you said you, Mattchew and QP have played a lot together correct? You and Mattchew seem to be having townreads on each other and on QP. Why do you think QP does not have a townread on either of you two? Is that normal? ~rayn I think I've played less than a handful of games with QP. Only one memorable games where he mislynched me at f3 when both of us were town. I don't remember any other games that we've played. I wouldn't say that I'm able to read him well. In fact, if not for some stuff I picked up from his first post, I would not be clearing him and would say he's about as null a read as any others in here that I've never played with. I just got to work (in 8 inches of snow). No one is here, so I'm gonna take the opportunity to reread d1 so far. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9832 Posts
On February 13 2014 22:26 VIVAX420 wrote: i thought more about mattchew's comment on sidespring. the post itself wasn't nervous, but I think it might show nervousness that he chose to talk about setup over everything else. Kushm4sta? Is that you? | ||
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Mordanis
United States893 Posts
On February 13 2014 22:24 VIVAX420 wrote: i misread actually. I thought he was saying i had a hell of a scumread on rob because i asked him a question. actually he said hell of a townread. Quite reasonably because "do you talk this much as scum" implies that you meant Rob was a town read. Robik didn't say "I talk a lot as town", but rather "I like forum mafia because I can make a ton of content". | ||
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Mordanis
United States893 Posts
On February 13 2014 18:53 thrawn2112 wrote: Mordanis did you reach any conclusions about robik? I can't tell if you're trying to sell both robik/vivax as a scum team or if you thought robik could be mafia purely based off of his own play. I'm not going after Robik at present. I felt something was off between the two that warranted further investigation, which has led me to believe that vivax is the scummier of the two. Right now, I'm not exactly feeling incredibly rushed to get a lynch in the next few hours, so I'm curious to see the way kush plays vivax. | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
On February 13 2014 03:23 roundabound wrote: Sounds fine, he's not answering me. Must be mafia! ~rayn I like this 2nd post by rayn. I know it’s a joke and jovial and upbeat, and ultimately someone will bash me for it, but tone wise it’s towny. On February 13 2014 03:31 Mordanis wrote: It's been quite a while since I've played, so I was going to say that I seem to remember that the correct action at the beginning of a game is to yell at people and vote for people just for the hell of it, but I see all of this has already been accomplished. Clearly this much shenanigans could only be scum. brb gonna go write a wall of text case against everyone. This seems to me like a preplanned opening post. Mordanis says that “the correct action at the beginning of a game is to yell at people and vote for people just for the hell of it, but I see all of this has already been accomplished.” While it’s true that people may have voted others for no reason, no one had yelled at anyone at this point. It seems like he tried really hard to come up with what he thought would be a “towny” opening post – even to the point of discussing his own meta in “gonna go write a wall of text case against everyone.” On February 13 2014 03:39 IAmRobik wrote: In that case, roundabound is my top town at this point. Reading back, this is a fairly awkward post from me because it doesn’t explain where my thinking was at. As I later explained (and explained above as well), I was going off of the idea that roundabound’s tone was very jovial and happy and the use of smiley faces was something that I attributed to him being town. I later retract this read because I don’t remember if the tell is accurate or if it’s the opposite tell, but, having said that, I still feel good about roundabound. On February 13 2014 03:50 VIVAX420 wrote: WASSUP BITCHES VIVAX420!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Mattchew and I both thought Vivax was town for this post. The enthusiasm shines in the caps lock. Having said that, I remember the contribution died down after that post – I was expecting him to keep posting, but that didn’t happen to a level that I was satisfied with. On February 13 2014 04:18 sidesprang wrote: ATM we can't figure it out, even if we knew the amount of boxers, I think atleast. So I see no reason in starting that debate atm. Just wait untill we get some flips, and then it might be usefull. Just waste of time atm. I agree with whoever said that this is more likely scum than town. I won’t say that I was baiting a discussion of roles per say, but I do find that mafia are more likely to discuss “easy” topics such as game setup rather than give reads. On February 13 2014 05:48 VIVAX420 wrote: It doesn't help if you say which people you think are town. It helps mafia in finding their targets, and doesn't help us finding scum. I don't get which vote you mean. There's a votecount above you and another guy voting on top of that. Which one is the vote you find good? I don’t know what the bolded part is supposed to mean. Can you please elaborate? What is finding town a bad thing? Rayn, somewhere between the end of page 17 where Grack asks you to form an alliance and page 26 (current page) you agree to this grack-rayn alliance. I will continue reading and see what you say about him now, but do you still think he’s town and are you still willing to be in an “alliance” with him? This feels a lot like a “you’re town” read without actually saying it. This is kinda weird. I do see that vivax is interjecting himself a bit, but I don’t know how I feel about his actual contribution. As people have mentioned, he seems to be hinting at things without actually taking a hard stance on anything. I think that attitude is generally fairly scummy. On February 13 2014 06:27 Mattchew wrote: Is lynch grack and not look back I commented on edited posts later, but this is a weird one from Mattchew. “Is” should be “Lets” but I don’t know if he was trying to say something originally and changed it or what happened. It’s difficult to mistake those two words. On February 13 2014 06:28 Mordanis wrote: I'm a little confused... Robik, are you really voting for thrawn for posting "hmmm", or is there more behind it? On a side note, I think its looking a bit sketchy that it seems like we already have a vote on thrawn (for "hmm") and vivax building a meta case on him for lurking a few hours into the game, it feels like teamwork or opportunistic scum play... So, I think it’s abundantly clear by that point that I was 100% sincere in my vote on Thrawn. I posted multiple times that I was unimpressed by his posts “hmmm” “don’t I’m town” and “heh”. I don’t know how one could even question why I was voting for Thrawn. Also, I’m not sure what this “meta case” discussion is about, as Vivax just provided a link to a scum game where Thrawn had played very similarly. Then, instead of discussing Thrawn, Mordanis switches his focus on Vivax, instead of talking about Thrawn, which seems like the more “obvious” thing to discuss: On February 13 2014 06:31 IAmRobik wrote: Did you read his 5 posts today? Specifically the three before I voted. He was around. He saw that I pinged him and he chose not to respond instead of take initiative and actually do something. he still hasn't done anything other than vote on vivax...which is actually not a bad vote for the reason that you gave in your second paragraph. Having said that, I think it's more town than mafia to actually go back and find a specific game as a reference to someone's play being similar to a mafia play as opposed to just saying "hey remember that game we palyed recently where thrawn also lurked and posted nonsense and we lynch him as maf" On February 13 2014 06:36 Mordanis wrote: I'm not sure I follow that argument. Is scum inherently lazy in your view, or does actual evidence always support town, rather than scum? I think its certainly possible that scum could find a previous game that could be used to lynch a townie. Moving on: On February 13 2014 06:57 VIVAX420 wrote: Grackaroni is your vote on me still serious? Instead of responding to Vivax, Grack avoids the question and just says hi to shiaopi. If someone asks me a question about a vote that I made, I would most certainly respond to it. I find this weird and generally scummy. On February 13 2014 07:40 ShiaoPi wrote: dunno man, your posts are kind of shitty. If mattchew and robik are well known to you, how do you read them now? The bolded leads me to believe that QP and Shiao are not M/M together. | ||
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roundabound
Niue881 Posts
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
On February 14 2014 00:11 roundabound wrote: The alliance thing was a joke. At the time i agreed with him because he was basically saying people are making a big deal out of nothing and being tryhard and there was nothing much interesting going on. ~rayn I was mostly asking to get your opinion of him at this point. I didn't think that the "alliance" was serious. | ||
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roundabound
Niue881 Posts
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
Rayn, I'm worried. These guys are super bloodthirsty. Let us form an alliance to protect ourselves. specifically the bolded words. If I had to guess, it's trying to buddy up to a town. | ||
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roundabound
Niue881 Posts
On February 14 2014 00:15 IAmRobik wrote: Also, if you had to read into his post, what would you say about it. I, personally, don't know what to take out of his verbiage: specifically the bolded words. If I had to guess, it's trying to buddy up to a town. Ehh.. Grackaroni can (and will) basically say whatever he wants as either alignment. He has claimed to be a scumbuddy of a scum we lynched right after a couple of games ago. He can claim scum as town or as mafia etc. I don't really think that reads as anything other than "geez these guys are tryhard". I mean the wording does not mean pretty much anything, because Grack knows especially i don't give people townreads for buddying if i feel like people should not read me as town at that point. ~rayn | ||
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roundabound
Niue881 Posts
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roundabound
Niue881 Posts
On February 13 2014 22:26 VIVAX420 wrote: i thought more about mattchew's comment on sidespring. the post itself wasn't nervous, but I think it might show nervousness that he chose to talk about setup over everything else. On February 13 2014 22:42 JarJarDrinks wrote: This is pretty much how I feel. Scum is looking for something "safe" to talk about. The fact that of all the things in the thread he could respond to, he chose setup talk, is scummy IMO. Firstly, regarding "safe" topics being scummy. Why is DNP not on your comment agenda? Secondly, Vivax420 refers to the setup discussion as potentially showing "nervousness". *YOUR* phrasing is much more specific, i.e. "scummy". Why is sidesprings retort void? On February 13 2014 17:25 sidesprang wrote: And why would scum be nervous talking about setup? Further, On February 13 2014 12:57 JarJarDrinks wrote: What is your current read on Mattchew; considering you are effectively "safely" +1'n his read.Really don't like Mattchew right now. Everyone of his posts seem carefully non-confrontational and he's giving out way too many town reads. ~moc | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
I agree with this, even if it potentially applies to me as well: On February 13 2014 07:51 roundabound wrote: No, too many words = looking like you are saying stuff when you actually aren't. ~rayn Just reading the beginning of page 20, my read on roundabound is being solidified so much. Dude is oozing town, even if we were being dicks to each other at some point yesterday. On February 13 2014 08:10 roundabound wrote: I think Mordanis has about the best posts in thread. Yes they are worded a bit awkwardly and idk what that means. He can answer for himself about that. The "brb gonna go write a wall of text case against everyone" is an obvious joke and everyone should be able to realise it.. The scummiest guy is the one who can't back up his reads and his thought process behind his reads. ~rayn rayn, if i'm not mistaken, it seems like you've changed your opinion on mordanis since this post. Is that accurate? Also, I’m pretty much skipping all of the posts that are back and forth between me and Rayn cause they’re a huge clusterfuck and a waste of time and space and shouldn’t have been in the game to begin with and I already have a good idea that he’s town so that’s why I’m not gonna be commenting on it in my analysis, if anyone is wondering. On February 13 2014 09:06 Mordanis wrote: I've got to go to class for a while, but before I go, I just wanted to elaborate on my previous feelings. I think the abortive case had some momentum for a second against thrawn is very suspicious. The way Rob voted for Thrawn for lurking, and then !Hey Presto!, vivax comes in showing that thrawn is apparently well known for being lurky as scum, well it all seems very wrong. vivax backed down almost immediately, and Rob stayed the course until thrawn started talking. Now vivax left without any more reads after that. Rob did the *exact* opposite, posting a lot and picking up a read (based on thrawn's thoughts and a joke). Essentially what I'm trying to say here is that the behavior between the two of these definitely warrants more investigation. On vivax I really don't like the way that vivax posted fluff, gave someone else evidence to start a case, and then left it all alone for everyone else to take care of, and then disappeared right afterwards. And then there's this post: vivax goes from one hell of a scum read on thrawn (without really pushing anything) to one hell of a town read on Robik (without telling us why). In short, vivax seems incredibly confident about being right but hasn't really done anything useful aside from helping another player make a case. That seems like as much of a scum mindset as you can get. Mordanis: Can you explain what you mean by the bolded part? Please point me to Thrawns “joke” post that I used to clear him. Thanks. On February 13 2014 11:32 roundabound wrote: This is the worst post in the game thus far. Facts (A) DNP considers IAR "try-hard" (B) DNP chooses to query Rayn about attacking DNP Issues (1) What is DNP read of IAR? <- try-hard is not indicative of any alignment (2) The question itself is so vague/open/non-specific that it goes no-where <- a feigned contribution (3) Where is the follow-up? If Rayn is considered a town read, why ask this useless question If Rayn is considered a scum read, why not pursue this further. <- again, feigned contribution In short, I can not comprehend the intent of this post. I can not comprehend how this post helps in any way, shape or form to ascertain the alignment of rayn and, I can not comprehend why even a bad townie would choose to interject at this point in the discussion with something so useless. Scum right here. ~moc Unfortunately, my connection theory has been already proven wrong.. sigh ##Vote: DNP This is a pretty spot on analysis and should be read and reread. | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
Town (in order of strength of conviction): IamRobik (obv), thrawn, rounabound, mattchew, QP Maf (in no particular order): JJD, DNP, Mordanis, grack, sidesprang "Fence" / hasn't posted: ShiaoPi, Gumshoe, Vivax | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On February 14 2014 00:28 roundabound wrote: DNP has made a single post that is obviously not a very good looking post. Didn't think I should spend too much time discussing obvious stuff. Hopefully he posts more.Why is DNP not on your comment agenda? I don't think scum would be nervous talking about setup. I think it's scummy that setup is the only thing he chose to discuss. On February 14 2014 00:28 roundabound wrote: Like I said I don't like the way Mattchew looks.What is your current read on Mattchew; considering you are effectively "safely" +1'n his read. So yeah I have 2 scumreads indpendant of each other that don't really mesh well as scumbuddies. | ||
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roundabound
Niue881 Posts
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Grackaroni
United States9832 Posts
On February 14 2014 00:43 JarJarDrinks wrote: DNP has made a single post that is obviously not a very good looking post. Didn't think I should spend too much time discussing obvious stuff. Hopefully he posts more. I don't think scum would be nervous talking about setup. I think it's scummy that setup is the only thing he chose to discuss. Like I said I don't like the way Mattchew looks. So yeah I have 2 scumreads indpendant of each other that don't really mesh well as scumbuddies. What's wrong with the way Mattchew looks? Looks can be deceiving you know. | ||
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