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On February 14 2014 00:48 Grackaroni wrote:
What's wrong with the way Mattchew looks? Looks can be deceiving you know.
On February 13 2014 12:57 JarJarDrinks wrote:Really don't like Mattchew right now. Everyone of his posts seem carefully non-confrontational and he's giving out way too many town reads. By my count he's had townreads on vivax, iamrobik, quantum and rayn while the closest thing to a scumread is this: I'm not sure if he actually thinks grack is scum or not since that's all he says about him.
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On February 14 2014 00:43 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 00:28 roundabound wrote:
Why is DNP not on your comment agenda? DNP has made a single post that is obviously not a very good looking post. Didn't think I should spend too much time discussing obvious stuff. Hopefully he posts more. "Hopefully".. and what happens if he doesnt?
This end remark is not congruent with the opening remark.
Is DNP a person of suspicion or not...
Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 00:28 roundabound wrote:Why is sidesprings retort void? On February 13 2014 17:25 sidesprang wrote:
And why would scum be nervous talking about setup?
I don't think scum would be nervous talking about setup. I think it's scummy that setup is the only thing he chose to discuss.
The game started on page 14.
Sidespring made the post in question on page 16 at the behest of Robik.
Since then, his posts have been responding (somewhat) to accusations regarding him.
I have seen plenty of town only discuss setup early game; you have failed to elucidate me towards why this tell is only indicative of a mafia mindset.
Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 00:28 roundabound wrote:
What is your current read on Mattchew; considering you are effectively "safely" +1'n his read. Like I said I don't like the way Mattchew looks. So yeah I have 2 scumreads indpendant of each other that don't really mesh well as scumbuddies.
Are you keeping Sidesprang/Mattchew as a scum team; or are you rescinding a read?
~moc
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@grack what do u think of him (or anyone for that matter)
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JJD,
Please explain what is inherently scummy about giving out town reads? I can totally see what you are saying with regards to chewy being non-confrontational. This is weird because I perceive him to be a more aggressive player. If I had my choice, I'd very much prefer him to play this game similarly to how he plays on video, but that doesn't seem likely to happen...at least not given how he's played the game so far.
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On February 14 2014 00:54 JarJarDrinks wrote:
@grack what do u think of him (or anyone for that matter)
I think he looks ok from filtering him. I haven't really been able to keep up with the thread.
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On February 14 2014 00:53 roundabound wrote:
Is DNP a person of suspicion or not... Yes. would lynch
On February 14 2014 00:28 roundabound wrote:
I have seen plenty of town only discuss setup early game; you have failed to elucidate me towards why this tell is only indicative of a mafia mindset. scummy <> only indicative of a mafia mindset. You read DNP as scum because he made 1 shitty post and then peaced. I have seen plenty of town make 1 shitty post and go awol for a while. Can you tell me why this tell is only indicative of a mafia mindset?
On February 14 2014 00:28 roundabound wrote:
So what is the outcome?
Are you keeping Sidesprang/Mattchew as a scum team; or are you rescinding a read? Uh neither. I think they are both scummy but I think it's unlikely that they are both scum together. Is something wrong w/ that?
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On October 17 2013 10:52 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 08:07 Grackaroni wrote:On October 17 2013 07:41 Holyflare wrote:On October 17 2013 07:34 I-be-Pro wrote:On October 17 2013 07:27 supersoft wrote:
you wanna follow up on my post about towns best interest?
Do you still think that phrasing gives you anything about my alignment? I don't think it's a good idea. If you're keeping the vast majority in here and talk about weather in the QT that's fine with me and I think it is a lot better than having everyone spam it up in here. Idk. I don't believe people who say they don't slip like that, I also don't believe you have to have slipped there at all. I do believe that I apparently make it look like single phrases that I find odd for whatever reason are huge things for me. I just like pointing it out and hearing opinions about it unless a shitton of that stuff masses together. To big of chance to just be wrong on it otherwise. Pointing it out without waiting for him to do it again later or changing defeats the object of it doesn't it? It's totally baseless, especially if he isn't a native english speaker. On a different topic let me reiterate: + Show Spoiler +On October 17 2013 06:52 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 06:41 I-be-Pro wrote:
Okay I'm done with the contest. Just won it. So let's talk mafia.
Anything interesting happening in your QT supersoft? This skanjab guy asked in mine wether mafia has 1 member per house.
Rather scummy question to me. There's really not much to get out of that. Obviously everyone assumes so at this point but what do you expect the hosts to answer to that? Up until this point it's just a no-brainer question that might have not been a no-brainer for him. I ask that kind of questions all the time but this particular one really makes it sound like he's trying to "just post something" and look like he's participating imo. Can we assume so though? It is randomly distributed after all. We had something similar in our QT. Storrzerg asked pretty much the same thing. Then there was Grack, he said he would not be participating in the pick up line event unless we had some spare, never knew google was a hard concept for some. What would be the point in not participating at this point as these items seem to be game changing, does he not want to win? What would be people's motive (Grack) to not participate in an event? These items seem to be useful for finding scum and he implied that he didn't care which house they went to in the QT. Seeing as scum is randomly distributed it would be detrimental to go to another house that you don't know how many scum are in it. Why does he not care? I don't know how many scum are in my house either lol. i didnt like this "lol", i thought it looked pretty weak
On October 17 2013 10:58 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 10:54 Grackaroni wrote:On October 17 2013 10:52 Mattchew wrote:On October 17 2013 08:07 Grackaroni wrote:On October 17 2013 07:41 Holyflare wrote:On October 17 2013 07:34 I-be-Pro wrote:On October 17 2013 07:27 supersoft wrote:
you wanna follow up on my post about towns best interest?
Do you still think that phrasing gives you anything about my alignment? I don't think it's a good idea. If you're keeping the vast majority in here and talk about weather in the QT that's fine with me and I think it is a lot better than having everyone spam it up in here. Idk. I don't believe people who say they don't slip like that, I also don't believe you have to have slipped there at all. I do believe that I apparently make it look like single phrases that I find odd for whatever reason are huge things for me. I just like pointing it out and hearing opinions about it unless a shitton of that stuff masses together. To big of chance to just be wrong on it otherwise. Pointing it out without waiting for him to do it again later or changing defeats the object of it doesn't it? It's totally baseless, especially if he isn't a native english speaker. On a different topic let me reiterate: + Show Spoiler +On October 17 2013 06:52 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 06:41 I-be-Pro wrote:
Okay I'm done with the contest. Just won it. So let's talk mafia.
Anything interesting happening in your QT supersoft? This skanjab guy asked in mine wether mafia has 1 member per house.
Rather scummy question to me. There's really not much to get out of that. Obviously everyone assumes so at this point but what do you expect the hosts to answer to that? Up until this point it's just a no-brainer question that might have not been a no-brainer for him. I ask that kind of questions all the time but this particular one really makes it sound like he's trying to "just post something" and look like he's participating imo. Can we assume so though? It is randomly distributed after all. We had something similar in our QT. Storrzerg asked pretty much the same thing. Then there was Grack, he said he would not be participating in the pick up line event unless we had some spare, never knew google was a hard concept for some. What would be the point in not participating at this point as these items seem to be game changing, does he not want to win? What would be people's motive (Grack) to not participate in an event? These items seem to be useful for finding scum and he implied that he didn't care which house they went to in the QT. Seeing as scum is randomly distributed it would be detrimental to go to another house that you don't know how many scum are in it. Why does he not care? I don't know how many scum are in my house either lol. i didnt like this "lol", i thought it looked pretty weak wat. saying lol at the end of a sentence is what you do when your texting a girl and you're nervous she wont understand what you're saying is a joke, aka weakness
His earlier scum read kind of reminded me of this - lol
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^Well at least we know Mattchew spits some awesome game. Too bad the only people to have slept over his house in the past month have been guys,.
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On February 14 2014 00:56 IAmRobik wrote:
JJD,
Please explain what is inherently scummy about giving out town reads? I can totally see what you are saying with regards to chewy being non-confrontational. This is weird because I perceive him to be a more aggressive player. If I had my choice, I'd very much prefer him to play this game similarly to how he plays on video, but that doesn't seem likely to happen...at least not given how he's played the game so far. Well he's clearly not afraid to give his opinion about people so I'd think he'd have some scumreads but he doesn't seem to have any apparently. Scum doesnt want to help lynch innocents so it's possible he doesnt want to give a scumread on anyone untill some townwagons form so he can make sure he doesn't have to be on one of em because he called that person scummy earlier.
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On February 14 2014 01:03 JarJarDrinks wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 14 2014 00:53 roundabound wrote:
Is DNP a person of suspicion or not... Yes. would lynch On February 14 2014 00:28 roundabound wrote:
I have seen plenty of town only discuss setup early game; you have failed to elucidate me towards why this tell is only indicative of a mafia mindset. scummy <> only indicative of a mafia mindset. You read DNP as scum because he made 1 shitty post and then peaced. I have seen plenty of town make 1 shitty post and go awol for a while. Can you tell me why this tell is only indicative of a mafia mindset? On February 14 2014 00:28 roundabound wrote:
So what is the outcome?
Are you keeping Sidesprang/Mattchew as a scum team; or are you rescinding a read? Uh neither. I think they are both scummy but I think it's unlikely that they are both scum together. Is something wrong w/ that?
JJD,
my core issue can be summed as:
#1: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435582&user=JarJarDrinks
(Town Filter from BttB)
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#2:
On February 13 2014 22:42 JarJarDrinks wrote:
This is pretty much how I feel. Scum is looking for something "safe" to talk about. The fact that of all the things in the thread he could respond to, he chose setup talk, is scummy IMO.
Specifically,
#1 - As town you come out of BttB with the intent to do your own thing, call your own shots. Of note, you outline your positions in detail and are certainly not afraid to go against the grain.
#2
In this game, your filter is undeniably more passive than BttB. It is also full of +1's such that twice now you have agreed with the scum reads of people *YOU* previously declared as scummy. (roundabound with DNP, and mattchew with sidesprang).
Now, we could argue that in the time since BttB you have matured and become a better person. Thus, meta is out the window.
OR, we could go with the simpler solution and deduce that your sudden lack of a backbone is synonymous with rolling mafia.
What sayeth you.
~moc
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On February 14 2014 01:10 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 00:56 IAmRobik wrote:
JJD,
Please explain what is inherently scummy about giving out town reads? I can totally see what you are saying with regards to chewy being non-confrontational. This is weird because I perceive him to be a more aggressive player. If I had my choice, I'd very much prefer him to play this game similarly to how he plays on video, but that doesn't seem likely to happen...at least not given how he's played the game so far. Well he's clearly not afraid to give his opinion about people so I'd think he'd have some scumreads but he doesn't seem to have any apparently. Scum doesnt want to help lynch innocents so it's possible he doesnt want to give a scumread on anyone untill some townwagons form so he can make sure he doesn't have to be on one of em because he called that person scummy earlier.
Couldn't you argue the opposite applies as well? What if wagons form on two people that he has town reads on and then he can't vote on them because he committed to being town on them. I dunno...I think your argument is a tad fallacious. Having said that, I like this post from you, so you might have moved into my "fence" territory:
On February 14 2014 01:03 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 00:53 roundabound wrote:
Is DNP a person of suspicion or not... Yes. would lynch Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 00:28 roundabound wrote:
I have seen plenty of town only discuss setup early game; you have failed to elucidate me towards why this tell is only indicative of a mafia mindset. scummy <> only indicative of a mafia mindset. You read DNP as scum because he made 1 shitty post and then peaced. I have seen plenty of town make 1 shitty post and go awol for a while. Can you tell me why this tell is only indicative of a mafia mindset? Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 00:28 roundabound wrote:
So what is the outcome?
Are you keeping Sidesprang/Mattchew as a scum team; or are you rescinding a read? Uh neither. I think they are both scummy but I think it's unlikely that they are both scum together. Is something wrong w/ that?
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rayn, my town read on QP was hastey and unwarrented. I do not have a read on him currently
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also there have been multiple things from jarjar that I have liked for town, i would rather elaborate
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On February 14 2014 01:15 roundabound wrote:
Specifically,
#1 - As town you come out of BttB with the intent to do your own thing, call your own shots. Of note, you outline your positions in detail and are certainly not afraid to go against the grain.
#2
In this game, your filter is undeniably more passive than BttB. It is also full of +1's such that twice now you have agreed with the scum reads of people *YOU* previously declared as scummy. (roundabound with DNP, and mattchew with sidesprang).
Meh, I don't really see too much of a difference. I definately started that game out very aggressive but I don't think there's really been too much stuff to attack in this game as of yet.
You could read some of my scum games I suppose since I don't think I've been passive in them.
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On February 13 2014 07:36 thrawn2112 wrote:
Vivax420 could be scum, he should know better than to make the meta case that he did.
You all call meta cases bad but you say yourself that everybody knows you lurk as scum, and you have been instakilled in that game cause the meta rule was accurate. Now that you've stepped up your play it's obvious that I won't keep pursuing you, but I stick to the opinion that you can't simply call meta shit, cause that's how I get caught when I'm mafia.
Besides, bad != Mafia.
I'm interested in opinions on sidesprang, as he has shown an early activity burst and cooled off very quickly. His questions don't really seem interested in the game, and I get what matt means with mafia-nervous post, it's as if he was shaking off any incentive to discussion.
THe point Mocsta made on QP is also good. Waiting for him to kinda justify his lack of inquisiveness.
~V
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Sheepin' it up.
##Vote: Sidesprang
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Having said that about thrawn, I'm still not on the town side of things with him. But for now, I prefer to hear stuff from people who don't post much, the two above and you also can take DNP and grack into the category.
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It's perfectly valid if you say you're suspicious of a person without voting for that person. This is instant majority we probably shouldn't be throwing around our vote carelessly.
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