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I started typing up a response to your question for vivax, but I'll let him respond. I don't want to put words in his mouth. I will say that I thought that "Hence I can't explain from a town pov why he doesn't want thrawn to be pressured" seems very logical. Maybe I'm misreading things, but I'm starting to like Vivax based off of the questions that he's asking and the logic that he's bringing.
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On February 14 2014 03:11 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 02:57 VIVAX420 wrote:Well what I don't like about Mordanis is the fact that he doesn't seem the least bit suspicious about thrawn. When a guy is lurking and posting nonsense you would actually want him to post more and better stuff so you can get a read on him. Hence I can't explain from a town pov why he doesn't want thrawn to be pressured, and thrawn himself already pointed out:
Mordanis could be scum, his suspicions of vivax/robik look like they stem from him having knowledge of my alignment. He's suspicious of people because of their suspicions of a townie which is classic fake-scumhunting.
Well this is a terrible post. First of all how is it possible that you are suspicious of thrawn and then you agree with him because what he says is "Mordanis could be scum because i am town and he does not seem to be trying to find out if i am town or not". Noone but thrawn can agree with what he says, because if you are not thrawn and town you can't know thrawn's alignement. Second, there is absolutely nothing that was scummy in thrawns posting at that time. Your case was fucking bad, you can't possibly think someone is "lurking" or "playing to his scum meta" based on one hour of the game. I don't even care if it's Vivax or kush posting but that's so fucking ridiculous if you are going to push anything based on that you are mafia and we lynch you. So, was your case on thrawn good or not? ~rayn
I already explained that I see meta as a valid method of finding out if he's scum, cause of the strong impression I got from that game where iamp managed to lynch a scummer D1 merely going off that. Besides, now my read on thrawn has shifted to town cause of the observation about Mordanis he made (which I just quoted), which is insight I would expect from a townie.
Rayn, can you please comment on the other guys I wrote about? Do you think those are good points? (ShiaoPi, roundabout)
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On February 14 2014 03:17 VIVAX420 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 03:11 roundabound wrote:On February 14 2014 02:57 VIVAX420 wrote:Well what I don't like about Mordanis is the fact that he doesn't seem the least bit suspicious about thrawn. When a guy is lurking and posting nonsense you would actually want him to post more and better stuff so you can get a read on him. Hence I can't explain from a town pov why he doesn't want thrawn to be pressured, and thrawn himself already pointed out:
Mordanis could be scum, his suspicions of vivax/robik look like they stem from him having knowledge of my alignment. He's suspicious of people because of their suspicions of a townie which is classic fake-scumhunting.
Well this is a terrible post. First of all how is it possible that you are suspicious of thrawn and then you agree with him because what he says is "Mordanis could be scum because i am town and he does not seem to be trying to find out if i am town or not". Noone but thrawn can agree with what he says, because if you are not thrawn and town you can't know thrawn's alignement. Second, there is absolutely nothing that was scummy in thrawns posting at that time. Your case was fucking bad, you can't possibly think someone is "lurking" or "playing to his scum meta" based on one hour of the game. I don't even care if it's Vivax or kush posting but that's so fucking ridiculous if you are going to push anything based on that you are mafia and we lynch you. So, was your case on thrawn good or not? ~rayn I already explained that I see meta as a valid method of finding out if he's scum, cause of the strong impression I got from that game where iamp managed to lynch a scummer D1 merely going off that. Besides, now my read on thrawn has shifted to town cause of the observation about Mordanis he made (which I just quoted), which is insight I would expect from a townie. Rayn, can you please comment on the other guys I wrote about? Do you think those are good points? (ShiaoPi, roundabout)
And people got on me for talking about how confusing hydras can be.
Also, this is partially the answer that I expected from Vivax, but I kinda thought that he would say "because he spoke up and participated and dropped knowledge and replied really townlike to Rob when he finally did provide content"
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On February 14 2014 03:16 IAmRobik wrote:
I started typing up a response to your question for vivax, but I'll let him respond. I don't want to put words in his mouth. I will say that I thought that "Hence I can't explain from a town pov why he doesn't want thrawn to be pressured" seems very logical. Maybe I'm misreading things, but I'm starting to like Vivax based off of the questions that he's asking and the logic that he's bringing.
That's because as town you don't want shit cases in thread. They distract and do not contribute toward s scumhunting. It's much better if all the cases that are shit are shut down because there is no room for mafia to "choose" the side they take, it gives them less room to hide and promotes the atmosphere where mafia need to ask themselves "if i make this case on a townie what happens? will i be instantly outed?".
Always shut down shit cases. Pressure is one thing, but what Mordanis said about VIVAX' case on thrawn was right, the case was terrible.
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On February 14 2014 03:17 VIVAX420 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 03:11 roundabound wrote:On February 14 2014 02:57 VIVAX420 wrote:Well what I don't like about Mordanis is the fact that he doesn't seem the least bit suspicious about thrawn. When a guy is lurking and posting nonsense you would actually want him to post more and better stuff so you can get a read on him. Hence I can't explain from a town pov why he doesn't want thrawn to be pressured, and thrawn himself already pointed out:
Mordanis could be scum, his suspicions of vivax/robik look like they stem from him having knowledge of my alignment. He's suspicious of people because of their suspicions of a townie which is classic fake-scumhunting.
Well this is a terrible post. First of all how is it possible that you are suspicious of thrawn and then you agree with him because what he says is "Mordanis could be scum because i am town and he does not seem to be trying to find out if i am town or not". Noone but thrawn can agree with what he says, because if you are not thrawn and town you can't know thrawn's alignement. Second, there is absolutely nothing that was scummy in thrawns posting at that time. Your case was fucking bad, you can't possibly think someone is "lurking" or "playing to his scum meta" based on one hour of the game. I don't even care if it's Vivax or kush posting but that's so fucking ridiculous if you are going to push anything based on that you are mafia and we lynch you. So, was your case on thrawn good or not? ~rayn I already explained that I see meta as a valid method of finding out if he's scum, cause of the strong impression I got from that game where iamp managed to lynch a scummer D1 merely going off that. Besides, now my read on thrawn has shifted to town cause of the observation about Mordanis he made (which I just quoted), which is insight I would expect from a townie. Rayn, can you please comment on the other guys I wrote about? Do you think those are good points? (ShiaoPi, roundabout)
well for starers i think rounabound is town.
seriously wtf are you guys doing?
~rayn
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On February 14 2014 01:52 VIVAX420 wrote:
THe point Mocsta made on QP is also good. Waiting for him to kinda justify his lack of inquisiveness.
~V
Another thing. Elaborate on this plz. What points Mocsta made that are good?
~rayn
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On February 14 2014 03:21 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 03:16 IAmRobik wrote:
I started typing up a response to your question for vivax, but I'll let him respond. I don't want to put words in his mouth. I will say that I thought that "Hence I can't explain from a town pov why he doesn't want thrawn to be pressured" seems very logical. Maybe I'm misreading things, but I'm starting to like Vivax based off of the questions that he's asking and the logic that he's bringing. That's because as town you don't want shit cases in thread. They distract and do not contribute toward s scumhunting. It's much better if all the cases that are shit are shut down because there is no room for mafia to "choose" the side they take, it gives them less room to hide and promotes the atmosphere where mafia need to ask themselves "if i make this case on a townie what happens? will i be instantly outed?". Always shut down shit cases. Pressure is one thing, but what Mordanis said about VIVAX' case on thrawn was right, the case was terrible.
I read it less as a case against him, but more of an enlightening tool. I think it is very valid to conclude that thrawn is mafia if you formulate your opinion based off of a previous game where he played in a similar "lurky" fashion. Wouldn't that be similar to me basing my reads on mattchew off of the fact that he's provided a large town circle, which I think is more indicative of his town play than his mafia play - an opinion i formed on the foundation of previous games we've played together?
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On February 14 2014 03:22 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 03:17 VIVAX420 wrote:On February 14 2014 03:11 roundabound wrote:On February 14 2014 02:57 VIVAX420 wrote:Well what I don't like about Mordanis is the fact that he doesn't seem the least bit suspicious about thrawn. When a guy is lurking and posting nonsense you would actually want him to post more and better stuff so you can get a read on him. Hence I can't explain from a town pov why he doesn't want thrawn to be pressured, and thrawn himself already pointed out:
Mordanis could be scum, his suspicions of vivax/robik look like they stem from him having knowledge of my alignment. He's suspicious of people because of their suspicions of a townie which is classic fake-scumhunting.
Well this is a terrible post. First of all how is it possible that you are suspicious of thrawn and then you agree with him because what he says is "Mordanis could be scum because i am town and he does not seem to be trying to find out if i am town or not". Noone but thrawn can agree with what he says, because if you are not thrawn and town you can't know thrawn's alignement. Second, there is absolutely nothing that was scummy in thrawns posting at that time. Your case was fucking bad, you can't possibly think someone is "lurking" or "playing to his scum meta" based on one hour of the game. I don't even care if it's Vivax or kush posting but that's so fucking ridiculous if you are going to push anything based on that you are mafia and we lynch you. So, was your case on thrawn good or not? ~rayn I already explained that I see meta as a valid method of finding out if he's scum, cause of the strong impression I got from that game where iamp managed to lynch a scummer D1 merely going off that. Besides, now my read on thrawn has shifted to town cause of the observation about Mordanis he made (which I just quoted), which is insight I would expect from a townie. Rayn, can you please comment on the other guys I wrote about? Do you think those are good points? (ShiaoPi, roundabout) well for starers i think rounabound is town. seriously wtf are you guys doing? ~rayn
I meant sidesprang, little mistake.
Dude, you can stop nitpicking about the validity of that case now, cause it's irrelevant at this point. thrawn unlurked, he posted his opinions, mission accomplished. If he was scum I lured him out of his comfort zone too quickly to establish if he was lurking, but that's what comes from being overeager.
It would be very appreciated if you would come out of the tunnel vision and start commenting on other events. The shit case you wanted to shut down hasn't been relevant since the moment thrawn responded properly.
Besides, you're tending to being disruptive. Little observation. If you had read my posts with some genuine interest you would have known that that was a mistake.
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On February 14 2014 03:25 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 01:52 VIVAX420 wrote:
THe point Mocsta made on QP is also good. Waiting for him to kinda justify his lack of inquisiveness.
~V Another thing. Elaborate on this plz. What points Mocsta made that are good? ~rayn
On February 13 2014 11:57 roundabound wrote:@QPThere is a knowledge triangle between yourself, Mattchew and IAR. Substantiated by: Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 07:37 QuantumPope wrote:
If there are two people who I trust to read me correctly in this thread it's Mattchew and IAmRobik as they have had the most interaction with me outside of this forum but being able to read correctly can also lean mafia. I have null reads on both of them at the moment. Note their opinions of you: Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 08:13 IAmRobik wrote:
I think QP is town. I have my reason for thinking that. I don't know if it's right or not, but I think it. Did you expect both of these players to "town read" you with so little analysis? Further, Mattchew is my achilles heel. What is the secret to reading him? ~moc
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VOTE COUNT:
thrawn2112 (0): IAmRobik
VIVAX420 (1): thrawn2112, ShiaoPi
IAmRobik (0): roundabound
DoNotPanic! (1): roundabound
With 13 players alive it takes 7 votes to lynch. Only votes in the Voting Thread will be counted!
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On February 14 2014 02:22 Mattchew wrote:
your both scummy and i wouldnt blink an eye at lynching either of you, but your interactions do not read as teammates This is like exactly what I said about you and sidespring.
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Grackaroni filter (all posts):
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On February 13 2014 03:37 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 03:33 IAmRobik wrote:On February 13 2014 03:31 sidesprang wrote:
Depends on how much you want me to lynch Mattchew. Well QuantumPope and Mattchew are the only two people I know, but I know Mattchew the best. I know spamming is frowned upon, but with so little to go off of on D1, I prefer just to get the ball rolling and just make stuff happen...so yeah ##vote mattchew No worries there this forum loves spamming.
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On February 13 2014 03:40 Grackaroni wrote:Well probably not this player list, but I certainly do.
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On February 13 2014 03:53 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 03:50 VIVAX420 wrote:
WASSUP BITCHES VIVAX420!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 ##Vote: VIVAX420Sup bitch.
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On February 13 2014 05:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Soooo... What do you think of my Kushm4sta vote? I think it's pretty solid.
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On February 13 2014 05:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Aaaaah Ninjad.
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On February 13 2014 06:12 Grackaroni wrote:
Rayn, I'm worried. These guys are super bloodthirsty. Let us form an alliance to protect ourselves.
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On February 13 2014 07:35 Grackaroni wrote:oh herro
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On February 13 2014 09:44 Grackaroni wrote:
Rob is probably town.
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On February 13 2014 23:30 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 22:26 VIVAX420 wrote:
i thought more about mattchew's comment on sidespring.
the post itself wasn't nervous, but I think it might show nervousness that he chose to talk about setup over everything else. Kushm4sta? Is that you?
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On February 14 2014 00:48 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 00:43 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 14 2014 00:28 roundabound wrote:
Why is DNP not on your comment agenda? DNP has made a single post that is obviously not a very good looking post. Didn't think I should spend too much time discussing obvious stuff. Hopefully he posts more. On February 14 2014 00:28 roundabound wrote:Why is sidesprings retort void? On February 13 2014 17:25 sidesprang wrote:
And why would scum be nervous talking about setup?
I don't think scum would be nervous talking about setup. I think it's scummy that setup is the only thing he chose to discuss. On February 14 2014 00:28 roundabound wrote:
What is your current read on Mattchew; considering you are effectively "safely" +1'n his read. Like I said I don't like the way Mattchew looks. So yeah I have 2 scumreads indpendant of each other that don't really mesh well as scumbuddies. What's wrong with the way Mattchew looks? Looks can be deceiving you know.
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On February 14 2014 00:55 Grackaroni wrote:
Which one is trump?
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On February 14 2014 01:06 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 10:52 Mattchew wrote:On October 17 2013 08:07 Grackaroni wrote:On October 17 2013 07:41 Holyflare wrote:On October 17 2013 07:34 I-be-Pro wrote:On October 17 2013 07:27 supersoft wrote:
you wanna follow up on my post about towns best interest?
Do you still think that phrasing gives you anything about my alignment? I don't think it's a good idea. If you're keeping the vast majority in here and talk about weather in the QT that's fine with me and I think it is a lot better than having everyone spam it up in here. Idk. I don't believe people who say they don't slip like that, I also don't believe you have to have slipped there at all. I do believe that I apparently make it look like single phrases that I find odd for whatever reason are huge things for me. I just like pointing it out and hearing opinions about it unless a shitton of that stuff masses together. To big of chance to just be wrong on it otherwise. Pointing it out without waiting for him to do it again later or changing defeats the object of it doesn't it? It's totally baseless, especially if he isn't a native english speaker. On a different topic let me reiterate: + Show Spoiler +On October 17 2013 06:52 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 06:41 I-be-Pro wrote:
Okay I'm done with the contest. Just won it. So let's talk mafia.
Anything interesting happening in your QT supersoft? This skanjab guy asked in mine wether mafia has 1 member per house.
Rather scummy question to me. There's really not much to get out of that. Obviously everyone assumes so at this point but what do you expect the hosts to answer to that? Up until this point it's just a no-brainer question that might have not been a no-brainer for him. I ask that kind of questions all the time but this particular one really makes it sound like he's trying to "just post something" and look like he's participating imo. Can we assume so though? It is randomly distributed after all. We had something similar in our QT. Storrzerg asked pretty much the same thing. Then there was Grack, he said he would not be participating in the pick up line event unless we had some spare, never knew google was a hard concept for some. What would be the point in not participating at this point as these items seem to be game changing, does he not want to win? What would be people's motive (Grack) to not participate in an event? These items seem to be useful for finding scum and he implied that he didn't care which house they went to in the QT. Seeing as scum is randomly distributed it would be detrimental to go to another house that you don't know how many scum are in it. Why does he not care? I don't know how many scum are in my house either lol. i didnt like this "lol", i thought it looked pretty weak Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 10:58 Mattchew wrote:On October 17 2013 10:54 Grackaroni wrote:On October 17 2013 10:52 Mattchew wrote:On October 17 2013 08:07 Grackaroni wrote:On October 17 2013 07:41 Holyflare wrote:On October 17 2013 07:34 I-be-Pro wrote:On October 17 2013 07:27 supersoft wrote:
you wanna follow up on my post about towns best interest?
Do you still think that phrasing gives you anything about my alignment? I don't think it's a good idea. If you're keeping the vast majority in here and talk about weather in the QT that's fine with me and I think it is a lot better than having everyone spam it up in here. Idk. I don't believe people who say they don't slip like that, I also don't believe you have to have slipped there at all. I do believe that I apparently make it look like single phrases that I find odd for whatever reason are huge things for me. I just like pointing it out and hearing opinions about it unless a shitton of that stuff masses together. To big of chance to just be wrong on it otherwise. Pointing it out without waiting for him to do it again later or changing defeats the object of it doesn't it? It's totally baseless, especially if he isn't a native english speaker. On a different topic let me reiterate: + Show Spoiler +On October 17 2013 06:52 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 06:41 I-be-Pro wrote:
Okay I'm done with the contest. Just won it. So let's talk mafia.
Anything interesting happening in your QT supersoft? This skanjab guy asked in mine wether mafia has 1 member per house.
Rather scummy question to me. There's really not much to get out of that. Obviously everyone assumes so at this point but what do you expect the hosts to answer to that? Up until this point it's just a no-brainer question that might have not been a no-brainer for him. I ask that kind of questions all the time but this particular one really makes it sound like he's trying to "just post something" and look like he's participating imo. Can we assume so though? It is randomly distributed after all. We had something similar in our QT. Storrzerg asked pretty much the same thing. Then there was Grack, he said he would not be participating in the pick up line event unless we had some spare, never knew google was a hard concept for some. What would be the point in not participating at this point as these items seem to be game changing, does he not want to win? What would be people's motive (Grack) to not participate in an event? These items seem to be useful for finding scum and he implied that he didn't care which house they went to in the QT. Seeing as scum is randomly distributed it would be detrimental to go to another house that you don't know how many scum are in it. Why does he not care? I don't know how many scum are in my house either lol. i didnt like this "lol", i thought it looked pretty weak wat. saying lol at the end of a sentence is what you do when your texting a girl and you're nervous she wont understand what you're saying is a joke, aka weakness His earlier scum read kind of reminded me of this - lol
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On February 14 2014 01:57 Grackaroni wrote:
Sheepin' it up.
##Vote: Sidesprang
Missed one quote here...it was fluff.
some content which "substantiated" his vote, but honestly didn't really do anything to change my mind on him at this point:
On February 14 2014 02:06 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 02:03 VIVAX420 wrote:
Grack do you always keep it to a minimum with your posts? Fairly frequently. Basically he showed some interest at the start of the game and then never followed it up when things started happening. He seems the most concerned to me about maintaining his own appearance out of the low content posters. (Which isn't actually saying much, but more so to me than ShiaoPi or Mattchew whose filters I read.)
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On February 14 2014 02:16 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 02:12 sidesprang wrote:On February 14 2014 01:57 Grackaroni wrote:
Sheepin' it up.
##Vote: Sidesprang You know there is a seperate voting thread ? @JJD, you were pretty much on me whole last game aswell. Was town there, think you should adjust the way you are reading me. I was unaware of this fact.
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On February 14 2014 02:18 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 02:17 Mattchew wrote:
I don't think that grack and side are the same alignment As in we are not both mafia or there must be one mafia between us?
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On February 14 2014 02:21 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 02:21 sidesprang wrote:On February 14 2014 02:17 Mattchew wrote:
I don't think that grack and side are the same alignment What makes it unlikely we are both town ? You've just been ninjad son.
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On February 14 2014 02:24 Grackaroni wrote:
I agree. I bet my teammates would be attacking me in thread. I have a knack for pissing them off.
Conclusion: Probably mafia. Doesn't give any reads. The majority of his posts are just posts to post. I prefer to lynch mafia, but on the offchance that he flips town, it's a pretty safe lynch anyway if this is the content he's going to bring to the thread.
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Oh no he did not just quote my filter.
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So here is what has been going on:
Robik: "thrawn mafia"
VIVAX: "Here is this shit case on thrawn"
Mordanis: "Robik and VIVAX deserve to be looked at because of this thrawn thing" (later on not Robik so much)
VIVAX: "Mordanis so scummy because he called us out"
roundabound: "why? your case is shit, why is it scummy to call it out? do you think the case is good?"
VIVAX: "no the case was bad, Mordanis still scummy because of it. You are tunneling, go do something else".
Explain to me how does this make any sense?
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Brb going to search through past Blazinghand games for an MS paint drawing that fits this situation.
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Rob, U missed this post:On February 14 2014 00:57 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 00:54 JarJarDrinks wrote:
@grack what do u think of him (or anyone for that matter) I think he looks ok from filtering him. I haven't really been able to keep up with the thread.
He actually gave something resembling a read here though I don't know why he thought mattchew looked ok from his filter @ that point.
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Rayn, the points against mordanis aren't simply "he called my case shit". Go read some more.
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On February 14 2014 03:58 JarJarDrinks wrote:Rob, U missed this post: Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 00:57 Grackaroni wrote:On February 14 2014 00:54 JarJarDrinks wrote:
@grack what do u think of him (or anyone for that matter) I think he looks ok from filtering him. I haven't really been able to keep up with the thread. He actually gave something resembling a read here though I don't know why he thought mattchew looked ok from his filter @ that point.
yeah...idk...i was copy-pasting them into word cause I don't know if there's another way to do it. The conclusion we can draw from his posts are that he has nothing to offer to the game. The most likely scenario from my perspective is that he's mafia and is afraid of saying something that he shouldn't say, so decides to just post to make it look like he's active.
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Is it not? Then what's this?
On February 14 2014 02:57 VIVAX420 wrote:Well what I don't like about Mordanis is the fact that he doesn't seem the least bit suspicious about thrawn. When a guy is lurking and posting nonsense you would actually want him to post more and better stuff so you can get a read on him. Hence I can't explain from a town pov why he doesn't want thrawn to be pressured, and thrawn himself already pointed out: Show nested quote +
Mordanis could be scum, his suspicions of vivax/robik look like they stem from him having knowledge of my alignment. He's suspicious of people because of their suspicions of a townie which is classic fake-scumhunting.
Because what i read here is "he disagreed with my case". Otherwise you should be calling me mafia too for not calling out thrawn for "lurking", Why are you not calling me scum then if this is why you find him suspicious?
~rayn
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like you fucking asked me if i wanted to lynch thrawn or not. why was that?
~rayn
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