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On December 05 2013 02:54 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't think now is the time to lynch somebody as coin flippy as Alakaslam. What is the preferred time to lynch coin-flippy players?
I'm back for an hour or so. Sorry for today/last night town.
I don't want to vote anyone who voted thrawn today. Like, just basic instinct, whole team shouldn't be on him. Looking for someone who was on risen AND pushed against thrawn AND shows some other funky signs (weird change in BC read to vote him, voting for BC early, etc.). Gonna go looking, and am around to chat. I saw the case on onegu, I see the stuff on pandain.
If BC is mafia and pandain were mafia and BOTH masoned SS D1, I would THINK that there would be some chat in their logs towards the end of the day about mocsta. Either a small amount of trying to get him to lynch non-mocstas, by calling mocsta questionable but not big scum, or by pushing other reads. If not that, there would be some push in the thread from them for non-SS mayor. Right? I don't see 1/3 of the scum team being masoned with a mayoral candidate who suddenly says he's looking at a scumbuddy, and then them do nothing about it.
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On December 04 2013 16:21 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 08:04 Alakaslam wrote:On December 04 2013 04:06 LoneMeow wrote:On December 04 2013 03:54 Alakaslam wrote:On December 04 2013 03:32 Alakaslam wrote:On December 04 2013 03:29 LoneMeow wrote:On December 04 2013 03:25 Alakaslam wrote:
LM I may not be a town leader but you aren't scummy if you spar with me. Why aren't you scum, I guess?
What? I don't speak Alakaslamese, can you translate this to something I can understand? Also, I'd appreciate if you explained why you think I'm scum. Don't worry because you already are. It is asking you to do what you just did. I think you are scum based on your filter and extended absence, and process of elimination. Not strong at all and that is because I haven't a strong case to make. Your turn reply, answer all points and I will think before replying so that we don't blast up 40 pages... On December 04 2013 03:47 LoneMeow wrote:On December 04 2013 03:32 Alakaslam wrote:On December 04 2013 03:29 LoneMeow wrote:On December 04 2013 03:25 Alakaslam wrote:
LM I may not be a town leader but you aren't scummy if you spar with me. Why aren't you scum, I guess?
What? I don't speak Alakaslamese, can you translate this to something I can understand? Also, I'd appreciate if you explained why you think I'm scum. Don't worry because you already are. It is asking you to do what you just did. I think you are scum based on your filter and extended absence, and process of elimination. Not strong at all and that is because I haven't a strong case to make. Your turn reply, answer all points and I will think before replying so that we don't blast up 40 pages... I'd prefer if you could point exactly what in my filter it is that you find scummy. General sweeping statements make it very hard to figure out if you actually have a case or are just trying to justify a fake read. I'm probably stupid but I can't figure out which points you are referring to, can you please make a clear list of things you want me to answer? I'm not sure how you expect me to respond to those. Yes, I've been absent, and will continue to be so. So you have me as scum by process of elimination - how exactly do you expect me to respond to that? If you want to talk about something slightly more specific, like my reads or votes, I'm up for it. Were you absent for irl? Who do you wanna lynch, do you see anyone good, I dunno. I sux at this Why do you ask when you already know the answer? And why are you trying to make me excuse my lurking with IRL? I have a policy against ever doing that again during a game, that's pre/post game material. And I'd want to lynch Onegu, although you'd be a decent candidate, too. Why did you drop the point about my filter? I'd still want to hear what it is in my filter that you find scummy.
Mostly the lack thereof regarding your filter.
I am asking why you are lurking not trying to get you to excuse stuff? If it is true it is true, I would think just spamming honesty should work as town.
I don't know, you are null still. All is null. I can't figure stuff out yet. Got like 75% blue games and 15% scum or something like that. Makes for an odd character, add in that I came odd and whoo!
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On December 05 2013 03:28 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 02:54 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't think now is the time to lynch somebody as coin flippy as Alakaslam. What is the preferred time to lynch coin-flippy players? I'm back for an hour or so. Sorry for today/last night town. I don't want to vote anyone who voted thrawn today. Like, just basic instinct, whole team shouldn't be on him. Looking for someone who was on risen AND pushed against thrawn AND shows some other funky signs (weird change in BC read to vote him, voting for BC early, etc.). Gonna go looking, and am around to chat. I saw the case on onegu, I see the stuff on pandain. If BC is mafia and pandain were mafia and BOTH masoned SS D1, I would THINK that there would be some chat in their logs towards the end of the day about mocsta. Either a small amount of trying to get him to lynch non-mocstas, by calling mocsta questionable but not big scum, or by pushing other reads. If not that, there would be some push in the thread from them for non-SS mayor. Right? I don't see 1/3 of the scum team being masoned with a mayoral candidate who suddenly says he's looking at a scumbuddy, and then them do nothing about it.
I guess there is never really a good time to lynch coin flippy players. I prefer to just wait until later and hope they will become less of a coin flip. I hope we can lynch Onegu today.
Pandain said to SS in thread that he didn't want to lynch Mocsta and that Mocsta was town when SS started looking at him so I don't think that not being in the mason chat matters at all.
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Yesterday was a good point to lynch coin flippy players........ Today less so, it's 6vs3 so if we mislynch today then tomorrow is pretty much over if we get it wrong.
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Yaya, that's a fine alternative. Just I would expect that if multiple scum are masoned with him, they'd try to sway him away from that. Be it in mason chat or in thread.
Okay. Read through slam. I really, really wish he'd get back to scumhunting. There are ... case-y posts and suspicions on early days. We have a bunch of small filters to go through, but they still have posts you can pick apart. Plox to do. The more you go on and on about how we should lynch you to avoid a mislynch later, or how you're bad, the more you look really really odd. You just saw a townie do that. I haven't seen you do that in other games. Dub teef.
Also, slam, why did you vote BC on D2?
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On December 05 2013 04:14 Holyflare wrote:
Yesterday was a good point to lynch coin flippy players........ Today less so, it's 6vs3 so if we mislynch today then tomorrow is pretty much over if we get it wrong.
I have no idea who you want to lynch. What do you think about what I wrote on Onegu? I really don't see what is so townie about Onegu's mason chat.
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On December 05 2013 04:17 austinmcc wrote:
Also, slam, why did you vote BC on D2?
Even more so, why he suddenly become super town on D3 for you after you called him scum on D2?
On November 21 2013 13:33 Alakaslam wrote:
I tell you vet Svengali blows me around like the wind
Every time BC speaks my eyes glaze and I think he is town
This is kind of funny after you called him scum and even voted him on D2.
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Onegu's filter starts good, like his back and forth on rayn's alignment, him trying to say rayn is town. Throws a bunch of meh reads out, but he's participating and giving a LOT of reads (SS, yamato, rayn, slam, etc.).
Then he jumps on HF with rayn, first post that looks suspect. He's just piling on, calling everything HF does scummy. Not a fan of big HF post.
Ducks a question about BC from Artanis. Thinks he has BC town, says he'll reread and look harder later.
Big on defending LM. It's odd.
On November 17 2013 03:13 Onegu wrote:
I actually thought BC was slightly townie. His posts about mayor were very townie IMO. There are a few points I am going to bring up and he should answer though. First after people bring up that storrzerg has played in recent newbies he kept attacking people who called storr a newb, I thought he was a bit agressive in doing so but not in a scummy way.
@BC what is the difference between grack trolling and supersoft trolling? And who else is scum besides storr and grack?
I still have to go over his filter but what I remember from just reading thread SS was uber agressive and trolling.
This does not feel like his other reads. He's attacking HF for calling LM scum. He's attacking sharrant with some substantive posts. Granted he's not attacking BC, so his posts on BC would be different, but this read feels a little different compared to his other reads in the game? (See the townread on rayn, where rayn does this and that in other games, is doing this and that here, post post post. Onegu has played with rayn, probably not with BC, but his reasoning seems stronger on other reads than when talking about BC?)
In his first reads post, mocsta is VERY TOWNIE, BC town, very few others are town (storr is lynchbait and skan is town).
He is REALLY defending rayn. Lots of posts on why rayn is town, why HF is wrong in attacking him.
Out of nowhere notes that he was wrong on mocsta and sharrant, says his personal notes say mocsta's shot was terrible but makes him town. Very townie on mocsta until the flip.
During N2 or D3, thrawn is a town read of his. This is out of nowhere. One reason I am scum is because I posted that hard/impossible-to-follow ramble on thrawn.
Posts that he doesn't know why he's not getting flak for a risen unvote? This goes either way but is wonky, I have not seen him be too concerned with his own appearance. If he's town, he recognizes that BC swapped off risen, risen maybe scum. If he's mafia, he knows risen is town and that if he can get called scum for unvoting a dude who looks scummy but will flip town, it will look good for him.
HALF HIS FILTER IS RAYN IS TOWN AND HF IS MAFIA AND HF/LM STUFF AND HE'S CARRYING IT A LONG WAY IF HE'S MAFIA. DOES HE REALLY JUST TUNNEL IN ON THIS AS MAFIA AND USE IT FOR ACTIVITY? THERE'S NOT ANY PARTICULAR REASON TO GIVE IT UP, BUT IT SEEMS CURIOUS THAT HE'S ENGAGED IN THIS SIDE FIGHT FOR THE ENTIRE GAAAME.
I got to his current stuff. He never really gives a read on thrawn. He was gone during that day, for the most part, never touched it. He is okay with a slam lynch today because he can't read slam, but he gave reasons on D1 and early why slam was town.
I would super duper love to lynch Onegu if he wasn't continually dragging the HF/LM stuff around, and if he didn't have so much rayn discussion on D1, really trying to show rayn was town. Also, I didn't link any quotes or anything, sorry, but that's just stream of conciousness running through his filter.
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Pandain, Onegu, Slam, are the only folks not on thrawn that haven't flipped town.
slam looks wonky. onegu looks super wonky at times, very strong townread on mocsta early, nothing much to say about BC, was town on thrawn but it seemed only because I was attacking him and onegu had me scum (which is...not the most terrible-est reason to have a read?), no participation in thrawn lynch due to outside factors, but no followup on thrawn even after death.
Pandain hasn't done anything off the top of my head to ping scumdar, it's perfectly possible we have two vets. I don't really want to lynch him over other candidates given that, if he's town, he complicates things more for scum than other townies. Eventually they do have to start shooting us as long as we can get decent lynches on a scum or two. That seems like a crappy thought though, when a scum or two ends up being almost a whole team.
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Blerg. I'm gonna go get some stuff done and I'll check in later. Not sure how active I'll be before lynch.
slam, BC read, gogogogogogo, why you vote him D2, like him D3, give us some actual stuff please. Don't just type SVENGALI. What posts spoke to you, both ways.
onegu, talk to me about thrawn. Why was he town?
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This I found quite weird in Onegu's filter:
On November 23 2013 03:32 Onegu wrote:
Im caught up and I swear this is the biggest clusterfuck game I have been in. So many lies, fakeclaims, BS arguements about irrelevant stuff. Look I had irl stuff had havent posted in either game for the last 20 hours or so. I somehow keep getting the feeling that BC and Mig are town, I believe Migs claim and shot, but I kinda like BCs posts in the last day. I also agree with him on a few things. So you wanted my list but I have to add a null section because a few people I just cant read atm.
Very townie: Rayn, VA, Slam
Leaning town. BC, Mig, thrawn, Mr. CC, LM
Null: Coag, Hopeless, pandain, oats, SS
Leaning Scum: Grack, risen
Very Scum: Austin, Koshi, HF
##VOTE:KOSHI
##VOTE:HOLYFLARE
Calls austinmcc "very scum".
On November 23 2013 03:48 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 03:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 23 2013 03:39 Onegu wrote:On November 23 2013 03:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 23 2013 03:35 Onegu wrote:
Rayn lets get koshi, Im going to make a case on him now. No, Koshi is town. He's just being dumb and tunneled. Then why is he trying to discredit me with BS reasons. Also he has changed his reads multiple times also but calls you out for it. So you agree with me Koshi is town and just tunneled but you want to lynch him? No I was asking you a question? He wasnt tunneled on me he couldnt have been but yet he first tries to call me scummy for bs reasons, and then when I call him out on it he gets all butthurt questioning my balls to call him scum and then trying to misrepresent me again with that list like he read my filiter and only saw HF stuff and nothing on austin so me putting austin in my most scummy slot was complete BS by me but he is wrong.
Oops, that was "complete BS".
On November 23 2013 05:47 Onegu wrote:
Fine Austin, Ill take back koshi for now as I am the only one on him and rereading his filter he isnt as scummy as it thought, but HF has 2 votes my vote stays on him.
##UNVOTE KOSHI
##VOTE RISEN
Well, I guess this could be reasonable if austinmcc wasn't a scum read after all...
On November 23 2013 06:14 Onegu wrote:
Man fuck this. youre not dead yet I like that post.
##UNVOTE
## VOTE AUSTINMCC
...but then he wants to lynch austinmcc anyway?
For now, I support lynching Onegu.
##Vote: Onegu
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Don't know if I'll be back.
Going to say this:
Mafia probably bussed thrawn, almost certaintly.
Keep that in mind while thinking.
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##Vote: Onegu
cause why not?
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Vote Count:
LoneMeow (0): Alakaslam
Pandain (1): Hopeless1der
Coagulation (1): Pandain
Onegu (3): Grackaroni, LoneMeow, Coagulation
Hopeless1der (1): Alakaslam
Alakaslam (1): Onegu
Not voting (2): austinmcc, Holyflare
Deadline is in . Voting is mandatory.
Currently Onegu is set to be lynched! If you see a vote out of place please inform me or someone else on the hosting team so that we can correct it.
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I actually think some of that stuff goes in Onegu's favor LM, but ... not sure.
I definitely wasn't dying. I guess scum don't care whether risen or rayn or pandain (if town) get lynched, except they'd probably like a pandain lynch if he's town. So his votes aren't needed to do anything.
But if he's scum, and koshi is pushing a big rayn case, and Onegu has been saying all game all game that rayn is town, scumOnegu can sit on koshi 1000000% forever. He doesn't need to move from koshi, he just says koshi continues to be scum, is wrong about rayn, and when rayn flips town, Onegu's vote was not needed to lynch anyone, but looks real nice (Here's the guy I've been calling scum all game, just pushed to lynch the guy I've been calling town all game, SEE GUYS? SEE?). As scum I dunno why he moves his vote or moves it in a funky manner at my request then votes me.
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On December 05 2013 07:10 Pandain wrote:
Don't know if I'll be back.
Going to say this:
Mafia probably bussed thrawn, almost certaintly.
Keep that in mind while thinking.
I figure that it's very highly unlikely that they ALL bussed thrawn though so there has to be one off the lynch! Onegu's filter is full of contradictions like that; at one point he even says he's going to vote for risen because "HF likes to bus his team and his vote is on risen"...............?
and austin you want to know the reason for his vote on risen:
On November 23 2013 06:11 Onegu wrote:
I know HF likes to bus, and the other wagons I have town reads on so youre it. Looks like im the only one on HF but not going to vote for a null read at this point.
yeh.................................................... great logic there
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If it's only one person off the wagon I think it's likely to be slam, if more than one then onegu and slam would be most probable scum candidates based on filters.
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Right? Onegu has been picking two fights this game. Calling HF scummy and LM townie as part of that, and calling rayn townie and sometimes koshi has looked scummy for going after rayn (Onegu's koshi read seems to fluctuate with koshi's rayn read).
If you're scumOnegu, one of the guys you've been pushing as mafia just exploded into activity to lynch a dude you're calling town, and you KNOW is town. You can freely double down, your Koshi read keeps flopping, but rayn is SUPER OBVIOUS TOWN (to onegu) at this point, and koshi should know that, so Koshi's attempt to lynch him shows 100000% that koshi is mafia and probably that Pandain or Risen is mafia, and Koshi is trying to push votes away.
Bing bang boom. I guess they didn't know whether rayn would get the votes or not, but scumOnegu could have seriously pushed Koshi.
The counterargument is....any Onegu should have pushed Koshi? That scum or town, Koshi pushing rayn = scumkoshi to onegu, and he should have hammered that, trying to save his townreads in BC and rayn and trying to push Koshi as a doodyhead.
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On December 05 2013 07:44 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 06:11 Onegu wrote:
I know HF likes to bus, and the other wagons I have town reads on so youre it. Looks like im the only one on HF but not going to vote for a null read at this point. yeh.................................................... great logic there That's from Nov 23. That's not his reason for voting risen over thrawn, right? It hasn't been that many days?
I swear if that D4 lynch was on 11/23 I will flip.
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I think a split is fine to envision. Probably not 3 on, or else just a single doubter could have swung things back. If all off, game too ez?
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