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marvellosity
thrawn/rayn mason day 2 / night 2

thrawn
yo holmes

thrawn
are u town?

thrawn
hey when you get this can you walk me through your reads on koshi, grack, and austin?

thrawn
here's a summary of where i'm at right now. these reads are all based on what's happened since I joined, as well as a few reads I picked up while skimming the game right after wc2 ended. i haven't read anything other than that though lol. this thread is already bigger than WC2 ever got lol

you've already seen what I think about austin. i agree with you on that his filter was a whole lot of words and not a whole lot of useful, and when i was trying to get him to give me his summary of the game (with his scumreads included) he ended up writing a whole bunch of shit like "x said this so Y said this" ... none of it was subjective. i pressed him for his subjective reads and the response had SOOOO much less analysis and thought process behind it compared to the big-ass summary he gave me. then there's the shit with kush, which I thought he was faking, he looked too stubborn for it to be real

while I was skimming the opening pages of the game before I joined i'd written down grack as a potential scum in the case that I got to replace in. i spent some time talking to BH about this in our mason chat and he agrees with me, that grack is being weird as fuck and making really weird choices about what he's going to actually be serious about. lately he's posted a whole lot of "wow i actually agree" and other shit like that that doesn't really drive discussion. however i still need to go through moctsa's shit because everyone is making a big deal out of it

as for koshi i've been thinking pretty much everything you've said about him, which is one of the reasons I masoned you. BH told me he'll show his true colors over time... but in WC2 I was so fucking sure of him being town right from his very first post and it's unnerving that I don't get anything like that from him here

lotsa people have been calling bh scum but I disagree on that based on our mason qt, what do you think about him?

raynpelikoneet
Okay. Here's what i got.

About your reads:
- I am not sure what Koshi is. I need to see what he does now that he apparently doesn't want to call me scum any more. I really do read him only by tone, and there are some posts of his (like i said early on in the game) that points him towards being town. I really like to see where he is heading now, and more importantly how.
- Grack i think is town for what i said in thread.
- I dunno about BH. I really don't. I would hope he would start playing. Could you paraphrase your mason log with him? I think his case on Grack was quite good but i think it's now nullified.

- I think austin is scum. His filter is a big pile of nothing. He should start pushing lynches now in case he is town. He played very solid game in Thug life but he is really vocal as scum too. The problem with him here is he is saying nothing and not giving out any reads at all.
- I also think HF is scum. Seriously, he is twisting people's words around. He pops in to say something, then argues with me, then says "i don't care to talk to you rayn" and disappears. Why would he then not talk about anything else if he does not want to talk with me? Just fucking ignore me than and talk about something else.
- Pandain is scum, most likely. He is just spewing out nonsense. He is really logical and makes good cases as town. As scum he is irrational and calls people town/scum for fucked up reasons. If BH is town Pandain is 100% scum.
- VE could be scum, because of the Spaghetticus kill. I don't think that was a bluesnipe. His lynch was also awful and he hasn't said anything since. Whaddya think?
- Sharrant was an obvious bluesnipe. I had him as 100% scum/blue. He is fucking easiest guy to pin as blue if you know he is town because he plays this "lurk as blue", always.

- I have yet to read supersoft again, that's my next mission.

Fucking stupid doctors did not protect yamato.

raynpelikoneet
Hmm.. I might be wrong on something. Oats actually DOES look kinda bad. He usually calls me scum/town and is eager to find out my alignment as town. That's pretty worrying that he has basically ignored me all game.

thrawn
RE: BH

ok don't fucking tell the thread this because it'll probably just sidetrack everything... but BH claimed assassin.

blazinghand claimed assassin to me in his first post of our qt. this is why I think he is town, because the way he did it, and the conversation the two of us had about his assassin claim made me think that he thought I was scum going into the chat, and decided to claim assassin to gauge my reaction to it. he also worked through a few reads with me (mainly grack) and I got good vibes from all of that. he could still be assassin but in that case I really don't care to lynch him unless I think a townie's about to die.

thrawn
have you played with town/mafia oats before?

I have read as far as all the VE/OATS shitflinging and I highly doubt that a mafia oats would pick a fight with town VE. the interaction doesn't look like scum vs scum either so I came away reading both of them town for that

thrawn
yeah i'll check super/ve next because I'd really like to know who to trust out of them.. probably good to add BC to that list as well. i've been on a scum team with ss and we've been town together so I think i know how to read that guy

raynpelikoneet
Oats could very well do that as mafia, regardless of VE's alignment. Especially considering they apparently just played a scumgame together. My read on Oats is always based on how he interacts with me. When he is town he most likely disagrees with me with everything and asks 1000 questions from me and acts aggressive towards me. That's not what i am seeing here.

Like in Witchcraft, immediately when i claimed cop he PM'd me (100% fakeclaim). He is REALLY eager to find out my alignment because he at teast thinks he is good in reading me.

thrawn
lol you're playing so much differently this game compared to WC2... fuck me if I ever make that mistake again.

you are town right?

raynpelikoneet
I could assasin BH actually do that.
hmm.. i don't think he is scum then.
He should start playing really pro-town now in case he is assasin or town. What i said about assasins is right. They should play pro-town because it helps them (and it helps town).

raynpelikoneet
Of course i am town. :D

thrawn
" Especially considering they apparently just played a scumgame together."

eh I wasn't aware of this...

actually I disagree with what you said about what OAts is doing here, at least for the start of the game. he may have slowed up the scumhunting since then but I do remember him starting off the game doing the "1000" q's you're talking about

raynpelikoneet
On ss/VE/BC:
ss town (based on mocsta)
VE scum (based on fucked up decisions and absence)
BC null (idk wtf to think of him, but not a good lynch)

raynpelikoneet
/m15: They played in OMGUS.net if i am correct. They talked about it at the start of the game.

thrawn
lol OH YEAH his tracker claim is 100% fake btw... he told me he did it because he thought it'd buy him time

fucking BH, it was a really weird mason chat and I think he's town for all the shit he told me... but I'm kinda scared that there are townies stupid enough to lynch him based on the information I've given you. just be smart about it

raynpelikoneet
Hopefully BH proves himself he is not worth lynching if he is town.

Regarding Oats, when i made my case on HF he just gave a comment on it and.... that was it? he just left it there? I even tried to provoke him into saying something more by giving a half-assed "that's because you don't know how to find scum" or something.

Well Oats is not at the top of my lynch list. I really do want to kill Holyflare atm.

thrawn
i'm gonna vote oats for no given reason to see what he says

raynpelikoneet
I gotta go to bed soon. It's 5 AM.
But seriously. I fucking suck at convincing people. I am really good at reading certain people and in this game they are yamato/Oats/Koshi/Vayne/Pandain/Onegu.

I think vayne and Onegu are town.
yamato is dead.
Koshi i am leaning town on now from his last posts.
Oats is a questionmark. Early game was townish and then just meh..

Let's see what tomorrow brings us.

raynpelikoneet
Oh yeah and i am really really sure Pandain is scum.

raynpelikoneet
Like this post, wtf is this:
"Actually if I'm wrong about BH then I'm going to be wrong in a lot of stuff and have to basically rethink everything I think about mafia. "

Pandain WTF??!?!??

thrawn
lol yeah.. i might be biased because of my town read on BH but all of pandain's posts about BH have made me go 'wtf?' like if BH is town, then he'd be a fucking amazingly easy mislynch based on his play so far. and that last thing you quoted basically sets him up to be able to ditch his BH read and basically every other read he has and take 0 accountability for all of it

raynpelikoneet
When did you btw mason BH? At N1 start?

thrawn
yeah a few hours after i replaced in. my prior didn't mason anyone so hosts let me go ahead and chose a D1/N1 mason

thrawn
holy fuck hopeless is pissing me off

lol right now i think he's town for how shitty he's playing.....i'd like to think he'd learned his lesson about being useless after wc2 but I guess not.

what do you think

raynpelikoneet
Okay so i think Blazinghand and Bloodycobbler are scum.
Yes i really think Blazinghand is scum. This push on Grackaroni is so ridiculous.

raynpelikoneet
Yeah i kindathink Hopeless is town. Based on his fixation to BH and his "i'm sad" attitude when being called scum.

raynpelikoneet
Look at what BC says in the one of his last posts. I think this is going to happen (how they are gonna try to save BH):
"What are the odds of two dying N1. If scum has a rolecop the only fake claim they have is tracker. If you are an assassin the only fakeclaim you have is tracker. You still have to lie, but its the only "lie" that is believable enough to save yourself."

This is gonna be cool. I think they are banking on us coming up with this "maybe BH is an assasin" theory because you had a townread on him. I wanna see them trying this shit. BH is most likely gonna claim assasin and then BC is gonna go "oh god i believe him because it all makes sense". Watch this happen. :p

thrawn
rayn did you read what I said about BH's tracker claim?

raynpelikoneet
Yes you said he claimed assasin to you.

raynpelikoneet
Hey you masoned BH, did BH mason VE?

thrawn
also I would be really fucking surprised if BH was bullshitting me in our qt. more surprised than I was when I saw the endgame post in WC.

he started out by throwing assassin and tracker claims at me, pretending to be both at the same time and asking me questions like "who should I track" and "who do you think the other assassin is?" I had no clue how to process any of it and informed of that, and he wouldn't respond to any of my questions about his claims. THEN I started thinking he might be scum, and told him as much. finally he started talking to me and he was very open and his tone had completely changed from how it was when he was claiming assassin. He never explicitly said it but I picked up that he probably claimed assassin to try and gauge my reaction to it. Then he asked me to give him a couple names to research, I did, grack was one of them, and he came back with his conclusions which i agreed with

what do you think about his reasoning for his tracker claim? that he's town who fake claimed it becuase he didn't want to get lynched? do you think scum BH would tell me this?

thrawn
@33 no clue

raynpelikoneet
/m34: I think he was genuinely worried about yamato murdering him.
/m33: How would that be possible if he is tracker/assasin/VT?

thrawn
@32 he admitted to me that his tracker claim was fake. he told me he knew he was going to be busy so he made up a claim to save himseld. i posted all this in the thread because pandain and OATS wouldn't stfu about him. do you think scum BH would give me this objectively terribad reasoning?

also what do you think about pandain? last night he changed his mind on BH which I don't mind. but when I tried to get him to talk about anything NOT BH he absolutely couldn't

thrawn
lol rayn what i'm saying is that I don't think I buy any of the claims BH gave. i accept the reason for his tracker claim and I think his assassin claim was a means of reading me

raynpelikoneet
I'm not interested in Pandain atm. BH is obviously scum and so is BC.
I don't think BH would fakeclaim assasin to you. It all depends now on who VE's masons are. In case BH is town there is no reason to retract from his tracker claim and claim assasin in any situation to you.

thrawn
oh btw I changed my mind about koshi. he's town lol

raynpelikoneet
thb thrawn. Pray for your life that VE does not say BH masoned him because if he does that you look terrible.

thrawn
OK rayn so what are your points against BH?

to me it looks like you're mainly concerned with his push on grack. well I'm pushing grack too, do you have problems with me for this? it doesn't look like it, so can you tell me why you think BH is scum for it?

raynpelikoneet
Because Grack being scum is impossible. That's why.

raynpelikoneet
read what i wrote on BH and BC.
That's really stupid to assume Grack is scum after Mocsta's flip.

thrawn
goddammit rayb I don't want to fight you in thread and cause a series of shitposts which is why i'm doing it here. I know BH. he coached me in my first game. he invited me to my first non mafia game and he has always been eager to give me advice whenever I ask for it. if BH pulled one over on me in our mason chat then fuck me i'm the worst fucking player ever

raynpelikoneet
I am not saying you are scum. I am saying that if VE says BH masoned him then one of you/VE is 100% scum because one of you is lying.

If BH did not mason VE or you are not lying about what you told me about BH then there is nothing to worry about. But anyways, Grackaroni can't possibly be mafia.

thrawn
lol rayn my new town tell for you will be based on how much you annoy me and piss me off. i kept thinking about the desert game during WC and always wondered why you were being so cooperative

Can you please just look at pandain and grack? look at grack without thinking about BH or mocsta's posts or any of that? just read grack's filter? and when pandain comes back please pay attention to what he says. I yelled at him last night for not having scumreads and made it blatantly clear that he needs to start posting about his scumreads next time he enters the thread. my guess is that now that he's flip-flopped on his BH read he has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to talk about.

raynpelikoneet
yes of course i will. But not now. If and when BH flips town Grack is like confirmed town. Pandain could still be scum and i have a scumread on him but BH is the lynch for today. BC is pretty hilarious rofl :D

raynpelikoneet
flips scum i mean-.

[b]raynpelikoneet
Could you please tell me why Grackaroni is scum because that's fucking impossible if BH is scum and BH has scumslipped multiple times?

raynpelikoneet
Therefore i have absolutely zero interest in looking to Grackaroni's filter.

raynpelikoneet
Did Pandain mason you?

thrawn
your read on grack looks like it's heavily influence by your read on BH. i am probably biased in the opposite direction, bh and I talked about grack during our mason chat, and the things we agreed about, grack continued to do. i've already asked you to ignore all the mocsta and BH stuff and read grack's filter. also read what I just told Oats in the thread

this is why i didn;t fucking want to reveal that BH told me his tracker claim was fake. because now the thread is just repeating the same fucking arguments over and over

thrawn
re52 no

thrawn
btw who do you think I should mason for d3? if one of VE/SS/BC are still all unflipped i'm thinking about rng'ing it between them

raynpelikoneet
Thrawn. Plese. I don't care about Grack because if BH is scum Grack is 100% town and BH SCUMSLIPPED IN THREAD. ffs. How hard is this?
Mason ss or VE, BC is likely to b scum. VE depending on what he answers me.

thrawn
this is so fucking annoying, I wish BH would show up. my read on him is sorta subjective to my experience with him in our mason chat. i get that other people won't be able to empathize with that which is why i want BH to just show up and defend himself. for now i'm going to stop defending him and I probably won't start again unless we're coming up on the deadline and he's still a leading candidate. btw rayn think about this. BH already has 9 votes. so far BH has been the only thing being talked about in D2. do you really think he is scum?

raynpelikoneet
Yes i do think he is scum because he scumslipped and his claims are full of shit and he does nothing but accuses Grack of shit reasons.

raynpelikoneet
lol, the discussion in thread is so unproductive.

thrawn
that is why i didn't want to reveal what BH said to me about his fakeclaim. i'd have rather him acted town so I wouldn't have to out his excuse.

something i'm not telling the thread is that I kinda think he could actually be an assassin. it would explain how lazy his play has been. here's exactly what he told me about the assassin shit:

"I am an assassin and am intentionally playing as scummy as possible without getting lynched. The other assassin will be the one who never suspects me as scum."

i made a few posts along the lines of "WTF BH lol" why would you even say that you're an assassin and he responded with:

"OK in a hypothetical world where I am the assassin there's no way you're also the assassin, since assassins can't mason, right?

So imagine I'm the assassin-- someone has masoned me. He's either town thrawn, looking for clues, or scum thrawn, trying to figure out if I should be NKed. If he's scum thrawn I want him to know I'm the assassin. This way he aims his shots elsewhere and makes it more likely that my DT check for the other assassin goes off properly. If he's town thrawn I won't be able to keep up the illusion of being the tracker in a 1-on-1 convo, so I will claim assassin to him and strike a bargain with him: I'll actually read and help him refine reads and give my honest opinion if he doesn't try to lynch me tomorrow.

The other alternative is that I'm really the tracker, and am worried thrawn might be scum, so I soft-claim assassin in an attempt not to be shot.

There's really no reason I wouldn't claim assassin, honestly."

Do you think he could be assassin? After our mason chat ended I was thinking the assassin claim was just some bs he said to read me, but now that 24hr of D2 have gone by with him doing very little I'm starting to think he might have been telling the truth about "i'm playing as scummy as I can without getting lynched."

at this point he was still pretending to be tracker, it wasn't till the last few posts of our qt when he told me it was a fakeclaim

i plan on telling the thread all of this if we get closer to deadline and he's still the main candidate but for now i'd rather not. i already regret letting everyone know what he told me about his claim

raynpelikoneet
Well he is doing a "good job" playing as scummy as he can without getting lynched.

thrawn
and where the fuck is austin? i let off on him to see what he does and i can't even remember the last time he posted

raynpelikoneet
and btw it was not me or you who told the thread he is not the tracker, he did it himself.

thrawn
lol I take it you still disagree? you are sure of him being scum?

I went back and looked at the scumslip you talked about, the non rb claim right? why are you so unwilling to accept that he didn't read the op and didn't know about rb's? imo it's a pretty easy and simple solution to explain what he said

thrawn
no I did it

thrawn
i'm sick of this game

raynpelikoneet
I'm going to obey your wish and look at Pandain and give my detailed read on him to you after dinner. I see you're getting frustrated about things not happening in thread. I am all in for looking into other people, do not think otherwise, i just wanted to make sure BH gets lynched first.

Could you look at what i said about Holyflare and his "comeback" and give me your updated read on him?

Also i think we should both read Austin and compare his threadposts with his mason chat with HF. Austin is another guy to look closely into and in case i am wrong about Holyflare the masonchat might be valuable.

thrawn
grack too. if BH flips not scum then I want to talk about both pandain and grack over N2. idk what to do about austin, i'm kinda hoping he won't show up and will get replaced

i'll look at HF. i haven't read his WoT cases yet but I did read the mason logs and tbh it looked like scum v scum logs. at the very least it DOESN'T look like town vs town logs. neither of them seem suspicious of the other at all, and when they do hint at suspicion it's always in a fake joking tone like:

"Holyflare: ditto the more we post the more of a feel we can get for each other at least!"

"Holyflare: I have my reasons to be wary of you but obviously I'm not going to see why in case you change Either way, thanks for the chat!"

"Austinmcc: Hahahaha. We're both just standing a couple feet apart, looking skeptically at each other."

but then the size of the mason chat makes me think that both probably aren't scum because that is a whole hell of lot of stuff to fake. and then this post by austin:

"Austinmcc: Sorry for being a bad mason partner today. Hope your other partners are super awesome and you guys solve the game!"

doesn't seem like something one scum would say to another

so yeah, my gut tells me there is at LEAST one scum in that mason chat because it's just too friendly. too many jokes, not enough suspicion, etc. i'll look at hf later, i have a couple job interviews to go to today. i dont know if i'm going to bother showing up for the lynch because A) i still think BH is not-scum and B) i still think grack is scum and C) everyone tells me to stfu about both A and B. if the BH lynch goes how I think it will then you need to go read this from BH's earlier post:

"In any case what's really funny, what really gets my goat more than anything else is that people are like finding weird explanations for why Grack can troll and be town or whatever and then when he's serious they take him serious and when people question him he trolls and everyone thinks it's okay. People who thought he was scum just suddenly stop thinking he's scum because in his own Grack-ey way he's so loveable. This is exactly why this style of scum play is so effective. The fact that people are like "yeah that's just grack trolling or whatever dont' worry let's lynch BH" is in fact a piece of supporting evidence in my case on Grack."

and

"When it comes down to it, Grack has done almost nothing today that merits the townreads or at least "let's lynch him later" reads that he's earned from people. People say my case on Grack is bad because he's an "easy target" but let's be 100% real here, that's pretty much the same as saying my case on Grack is bad because Grack is probably scum. Like "easy target" = "scummy". In fact, the majority of my case on Grack has to do with the fact that he's not an easy target, that when you reach out to grasp him he slips through your fingers like smoke and vanishes like a whisper on the wind, as quickly gone as an idle daydream but as firmly remembered as a summer's romance. "

ttyl

thrawn
/m13 qft

raynpelikoneet
so i wrote about 1h about my read on Pandain and why my read is what it is and when i pressed post it does not show.

raynpelikoneet
very fucking funny this QT is.

raynpelikoneet
apparently i am not allowed to post 4 links in a post, i was able to recover the post, lemme try to fix it, one sec.

raynpelikoneet
Pandain:

I don't like this post at all: (#1289)
Earlier on he "called Mocsta out" for his bad case on Storr. But he uses same (invalid) evidence in calling Storr scum (the newbie-card, which Storr never actually used). Also his stance on Hopeless is shit and what he says does not make Hopeless scum.

(#1438)
Does not want to vote for VE for mayor because "he might end up lynching non-scum". But earlier on he said VE is better analyst than yamato, and said mayor should be selected by not looking only D1 lynch and who is better analyst overall. Contradicting himself.

(#1713)
Now Storr is town because he is playing the noob card so much. But he was just scum for it?

(#1718)
Another bad justification for scumread on Hopeless.

Then there is this BH claim thing. I kinda get Pandain from town pov from that whole mess. What i don't get is that he attacks me "for believing BH's claim" which i definitely did not do, then he wastes a fuckton of posts in arguing about the claim, useless. Also does not attack Grack who actually DID say he believed BH's claim lol.

"You can never read me as scum Rayn, you have never been close to lynching me." -> This is completely incorrect, in Thug life i told Koshi to shoot Pandain and he did (we were too busy lynching other scum), in Hogwarts i figured Pandain was scum on N1, had no time to lynch him, but saying i can't read him is wrong. This is a kind of defense Pandain uses as scum, saying things like "I have literally been town the whole game" or "You can't possibly think i am scum". Yes that's what he actually says as scum when someone accuses him.

"I think Vayne is scum he's playing like ##." Vayne is playing nothing like in ##.

Interestingly enough Pandain trust supersoft as 100% town as he has masoned him, but supersoft calls Pandain definitely scum in one of his last posts before D1 end.

Pandain's read on me is terrible. He never explains why he thinks i am scum. Last game where i was actually scum Pandain made a big case on me so i would think he feel comfortable in reading me if he is town (while the case was in fact bullshit). Instead of making a case he gives no reasoning but keeps on saying "i could support rayn lynch the most".

Pandain's case on BH regarding BH's claim is terrible. Honestly, it's so really bad. Then suddenly, when BH "un-claims" he staright out believes BH to be town for that.. Suddenly he has a scumread on Oats, he has never mentioned Oats before in this game. Read on Austin is "austin's been fine, he's been pushing people and giving opinions", unfortunately that does not mean anything at all - and austin has NOT been pushing people.

He says this about BH: "Based on his fakeclaim alone he's actually town. There are better places to argue now"
So in case he knows BH is fakeclaiming he can say anything he wants about BH (which he did, like 3 pages of his filter) - and when BH unclaims he can just flush it all away with this. Nothing matters any more. Good plan if they are scum or if Pandain believed BH was fakeclaiming in the first place (he called BH's claim fake in the first place so this actually is true in any case lol). After this he defends BH's original claim (why would scum claim 6h before the deadline) - but earlier on he attacked BH for same reasons?

(#3326)
This post is totally wrong, supersoft was not "basically mayor already", supersoft did not "want to lynch Mocsta", supersoft brings Mocsta up AT THE FIRST TIME IN HIS FILTER 3 minutes before the deadline!!!! Supersoft has not done ANY analysis at all, his filter is shit. This post is totally misleading analysis of supersoft.

Then there is this "this makes Onegu scum but he is town" analysis.

TLDR; Pandain's reasoning for his reads makes no sense at all. His play is all over the place and there is no direction. There is no logical train of thought and he seems to be trying to achieve nothing besides just saying stuff for sake of saying stuff. This all have i said before lol. ^^ And like i said before, he is scum.

* Post numbers before comments are the post numbers in thread.

thrawn
lol if BH flips town this is gonna be one hell of an interesting night phase

raynpelikoneet
Well if that is the case Grack is definitely a person to look into. Also all these people who suddenly have Oats as scumread + BC because i think Oats is town and scum are trying to lynch him over BC (who i think is scum) on D3.

thrawn
lol I think oats might be scum. i talk to him on skype about mafia all the time, he's seen so many of my town games and he knows exactly what my town meta looks like. here he's been calling me scum but being wishy washy as fuck about it

i think I'm gonna mason BC next

raynpelikoneet
OH GOD THAT AUSTIN - HF LOG SEEMS SO REALLY FAKE ROFL!

raynpelikoneet
I really do think Oats is town from his interactions with VE.
Oats does pick someone and then tunnel them into oblivion. Usually that's me but i can see town!Oats pick E as they just played scum together. It would make sense if Oats thinks he sees something from VE's scumplay here.

thrawn
@77 see what I mean? they are both so fucking friendly and like "oh haha i am suspicious of you but i'm not gonna try to figure out your alignment"

raynpelikoneet
Yeah basically what you said in your post earlier. ^^

OMG Hopeless so town! Good that we don't need to think about that any more.

thrawn
hey can tell me what you think about BC? I can sense that he might be the alternate lynch to BH but more and more I've been reading him as the towniest of the vet group

thrawn
yeah there's no way all that rage doesn't come from town

raynpelikoneet
I don't think that's the case either. HF is actually right in what he says about BC. I am just trying to be nice towards him and see what i can fish out from him.

raynpelikoneet
Fuuucckkk.. I actually also agree with what BC says on HF, the dude does just that, come in when accused and then make a couple of big posts following the thread sentiment.. I have no idea what to think.. bleh..

raynpelikoneet
Okay officially back to Holyflare is scum. :p

thrawn
i dont think austin is scum anymore. i don't want him to know that for now though just in case he is

raynpelikoneet
How can you possibly think so? He has literally no scumreads throughout the game. lol

thrawn
mainly because he doesn't seem scared of me at all

also because of those mason logs.. they do look really fake but i don't think 2 scum would put that much effort into faking them. or at least if they they'd do a better job of acting suspicious rofl. if i have to pick one person's posts to be fake i'd say hf's mostly because of this single line:

"Holyflare: ditto the more we post the more of a feel we can get for each other at least!"

thrawn
do you remember wc2? how many times i called someone suspicious for not having scumreads? and how many times i was wrong? not a valid point imo

actually that applies to why I initially found pandain suspicious too... goddammit. i also don't like how so many people have started including him in lists of scum. it was like you and hopeless made cases, then suddenly pretty much everyone agrees that pandain is scum. my read on him is gonna depend heavily on how he reacts to whatever BH flips and what he decides to do once BH is no longer in the game

raynpelikoneet
No, i know what's different in austin's scum/town play. I can see it very clearly by reading his past games. lol, that's so obvious.

raynpelikoneet
Yeah i already said in thread i am havingsecond thoughts about Pandain. Need more time with him.

The thing with austin is as town he has a clear way where he is "leading himself" with his questioning and he makes conclusions very quickly. As scum he just asks random questions from random people and tries to "stir up the thread" looking into everywhere. You know what i mean? Break people's play and though processes in a manner that he distracts them into looking to somewhere they are not interested in looking to.

raynpelikoneet
/m89: If you seriously compare player like austin to Hopeless/Sno/Sylencia you are out of your mind. austin is in fact really competent player lol, nothing like those guys. I mean, i am not surprised if someone like Stutters lurks throughout the game and that does not make him scum, but if i did that you couldn't just say "well i have seen townies have no scumreads before, rayn is not scum because he has no scumreads on D3". rofl.

thrawn
no i'm saying it's a null point

read what he said when he explained why he wasn't talking about scumreads during D1/N1, it makes perfect sense from a town austin POV

raynpelikoneet
So because this game has mayoral election people don't need to scumhunt on D1-N1?
That's bullshit thrawn.