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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 20 2013 02:12 GMT
#4081
Maybe i'll look into VE's filter tomorrow and see who he does NOT talk about at all.
That might share some insight into that - i mean work by process.of elimination.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 20 2013 02:13 GMT
#4082
Yes if there is a mason who knows who talked to VE they definitely need to say so. There is unfortunately also the possibility that VE was just fucking with us.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 20 2013 02:15 GMT
#4083
hmm.. that's actually true. It might even be quite possible.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 20 2013 02:15 GMT
#4084
I think it might be SS. That denouncement of wanting to be mayor in favour of SS makes it look that way.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 20 2013 02:17 GMT
#4085
I kinda do want to lynch ss because i refuse to believe scum did not run for mayor at all.

I also want to lynch Risen because of his "lynch austin/Pandain/HF/rayn".. Like wtf, we have all been just bussing each other the whole game rofl?

That's so fucking dumb to even suggest that..
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 20 2013 02:20 GMT
#4086
hey

hey rayn




they totally fell for it though right?
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 20 2013 02:20 GMT
#4087
yeah rayn, I was slightly confused by Risen.

Why is SS scum though rayn?
No gg, No skill.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
November 20 2013 02:22 GMT
#4088
we can already see from mocsta that scum did try to get mayor. If anything it is pretty obvious SS is town at this point or they woulda used their votes to get him into office easily
I come in for the scraps
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 20 2013 02:22 GMT
#4089
On November 20 2013 11:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
yeah rayn, I was slightly confused by Risen.

Why is SS scum though rayn?

Because he is acting like a baby and every time he posts he whines about me posting so much bohoo too hard to read bullcrap and then says nothing.. Also as i said i refuse to believe scum did not want to run for mayor.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 20 2013 02:23 GMT
#4090
On November 20 2013 11:22 VayneAuthority wrote:
we can already see from mocsta that scum did try to get mayor. If anything it is pretty obvious SS is town at this point or they woulda used their votes to get him into office easily

Yeah but they DID get him into the office.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
November 20 2013 02:24 GMT
#4091
there's also the fact that supersoft was going to kill mocsta among many other things...I think you are just emotional
I come in for the scraps
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 20 2013 02:25 GMT
#4092
On November 20 2013 11:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 11:22 VayneAuthority wrote:
we can already see from mocsta that scum did try to get mayor. If anything it is pretty obvious SS is town at this point or they woulda used their votes to get him into office easily

Yeah but they DID get him into the office.


Then that makes grack really bad because he secure the SS pardoner didn't he at the last second?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 20 2013 02:25 GMT
#4093
Mocsta's run for mayor was hilariously stupid lol. Like he could ever get there.
I have no idea what are you suggesting here Vayne. If there was scum who actually tried to run for mayor (like who had a decent chance to become one) it's supersoft.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
November 20 2013 02:26 GMT
#4094
I'm suggesting that you are letting supersoft as a poster affect you instead of actually looking at the game as a whole
I come in for the scraps
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 20 2013 02:27 GMT
#4095
On November 20 2013 10:37 austinmcc wrote:
Oh hi rayn/thrawn log.

Thrawn, can you...can you explain to me a couple things? (1) How the me/pandain not giving reads thing worked for you, just...stream of consciousness throughout game? (2) Do you remember Mocsta in Newbie 37? (3) If so, Y U NO SAY SOMETHING? (4) If you read Newbie 37 filter, do you still agree 100% with BC's analysis of grack/mocsta? (5) If yes/no, why? And what does it say about BC to you?



(1) I don't know what you mean here. I did make that joke about pandain being honest but it wasn't really anything more than that, a joke. If you look at the rest of my posts and my D2 vote I definitely didn't let him off the hook like you're suggesting

(2) lol no

(3) null

(4/5) i'm way too lazy to read that game and besides that I don't see what scum newbie mocsta has to do with this game's mocsta. and can you or somebody else explain what's so bad about BC's analysis? this is what seems to be the core of it:

"I say this not because of how strongly my gut screams hes red, but purely on how the interactions between mocsta and him were. Mocsta appeared to be extremely angry/cross/annoyed/etc... almost exclusively with grack which is completely different from how he interacted with basically everyone in this game and everyone in personality."

1 mocsta is scum... his flip confirms this
2 grack is scum... he is unflipped but I hope to finally get people to reevaluate him now that we can talk about non-bh stuff
3 if # 2 is correct then it would make PERFECT sense that mocsta decided to buss grack

go read grack's filter up to the end of N1. pretend that grack is scum and pretend that you're scum mocsta. does BC's stuff make sense now?

speaking of reading grack's filter, can everyone go read grack's filter? people said they would do that if BH doesn't flip scum and I don't see that happening
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 20 2013 02:28 GMT
#4096
On November 20 2013 11:25 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 11:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 20 2013 11:22 VayneAuthority wrote:
we can already see from mocsta that scum did try to get mayor. If anything it is pretty obvious SS is town at this point or they woulda used their votes to get him into office easily

Yeah but they DID get him into the office.


Then that makes grack really bad because he secure the SS pardoner didn't he at the last second?

Well it also makes sense they did not want to kill BH in case they "knew" he was assassin if they had an assassin read on VE. That would make supersoft look really bad (as the situation is now rofl).
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 20 2013 02:28 GMT
#4097
On November 20 2013 11:26 VayneAuthority wrote:
I'm suggesting that you are letting supersoft as a poster affect you instead of actually looking at the game as a whole


he only mentioned mocsta last second on an on the cuff remark, who is to say if he became mayor that somebody couldn't have "changed his mind"?

it is wifom at best and shouldn't really matter either way
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 20 2013 02:29 GMT
#4098
On November 20 2013 11:03 Mig wrote:
Grack can you explain how you know Oats is town?

Oats you want to lynch HF/hopeless tomorrow? What do you think about BC?

Does anyone know who masond VE? I have a hard time believing town has 5+ masons and mafia none.


Oats looks really scummy as town lol. When he's scum he tries to make his posts seem sensible, plays more passively, and tries to avoid getting a lot of attention. This Oats is getting in dumb fights constantly; town Oats is agressive, confrontational, and dumber than scum Oats.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 20 2013 02:30 GMT
#4099
I don't even need to read Grack's filter to know it's terrible.
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austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
November 20 2013 02:30 GMT
#4100
On November 20 2013 10:57 Holyflare wrote:
Also austin why has your stance on mocsta suddenly changed in favour of lynching bc when in the mason chat you couldn't get a scum read on him???



+ Show Spoiler +
Austinmcc: There's nothing in his filter really for me. I think he misrepresented some stuff from storrzerg early on, but not in a way that screams scum. I agree with artanis that some of his poking has looked a bit opportunistic, but when I read mocsta's filter, I'm not really sold at him being scummy.

The only scum game I remember of mocsta's was one of his newbies and I was coaching town. He was relatively adept at....trying to do a thing, trying to post a certain way in order to get to x or y later down the road. I don't know if that's a constant theme of his games, but it made me think that he plays a scumgame aimed at setting up lynches/thoughts/pitting people against each other, and I don't get much of that from his play this game.


I think you're conflating two things?

My stance on MOCSTA was that I couldn't get a scumread on him. My stance on mocsta has changed because he flipped red.

My stance on BC yesterday was that I did not like his play, found him kind of scummy. + Show Spoiler +
On November 16 2013 11:28 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 11:14 StorrZerg wrote:
@austinmcc what is your read on BC? would you agree his cause to lynch trolls is not alignment specific? Regardless of that answer, if you take that out, what makes him town or scum with how he has been playing this game so far?
He actively engaged me early when he didn't need to, which I found mildly townie.

His return post on grack I didn't care too much for. BC can make that post as either alignment, it doesn't say much. The most interesting thing in his return is the stuff at the tail end, the quick minor lists of reads:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 01:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
now that theres some content to the game lets get this shit on the go.

***AUSTINMCC DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE TEXT THAT WAS UP HERE***

I have strong inclinations against Risen, and Rayn, but I want to see more.

VE, Oats, and SS are all town currently in my books and anyone harassing them for anything other than their aggression needs their head examined.
Yamato get off my dick. If you thought I was mafia you should know damn well to hold onto your train of thought until more time has passed and I've posted more to validate your opinion. By posting shit on how I haven't committed to anything by the 7 hour mark you look like a retard. The sheer data available to formulate decent reads of any shape usually doesn't exist by that time.
That bit looks decent there, including the response to yamato, which I'm fine with.

But after being suspicious on rayn, he...he has this weird interaction. He asks rayn about risen, agrees to look at rayn's HF case, seems to find 2/3 of the 3 points rayn made on HF unconvincing + Show Spoiler +
On November 16 2013 01:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
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On November 16 2013 01:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is why Holyflare is SCUM and should be lynched:
*also elect me as mayor*

On November 16 2013 00:42 Holyflare wrote:
On November 16 2013 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You were implying i was scum earlier. I don't even know why because you never really told me.


I made a whole post on you, it's not my fault if you haven't read it. About 3 people have copied it since then so it's no excuse. You disregarded risen after 1 post and called him town for NO reason (you have rectified this since then) and called my post bad (lol) because you misread what I intended. You jumped over me on a campaign that was better than the other campaigns currently put out which seemed irrational and scum raynish but you have backed off since then and started to develop other reads etc.


1) I have never ever in this game called Risen town. Whoever says so does not make it true. There is nothing to rectify because i have not done so. Oats for example did ask me about it and i clarified why i said i will ignore Risen on D1. After that it has not been brought up. You on the other hand still bring up how I CALLED RISEN TOWN (false) and then rectified my statement (false). I ahve not changed my mind on anything so you are making shit up.

2) I clearly stated why your campaign is full of shit. Everything you said in the campaign had been brought up earlier in thread and there is no reason to write fancy non-alignment indicative words because the only thing that matter is that the mayor lynches scum. Period. Therefore the campaign is shit. Do you think BC/yamato/supersoft/VE/me/etc etc are all scum and don't really want to be mayor? Are we running for mayor? Why do you think we are not writing fancy posts about our awesomeness and plans on lynching scum as mayor? Because it does not make it anyone any more town and therefore those kinda campaigns are shit and mean absolutely nothing. So why did you write that post again?

3) Now you are calling me town for my reads. But that was not the reason you called me scum in the first place (lack of reads). How does my reads (oh they were also weak with no reasoning according to you) make me suddenly town when the reasons you called me scum for were something completely different? You can't even fucking know if i am right or wrong in my reads if you are town. So it makes no sense.

You are scum and making shit up.



You didnt actively call him town but you did say you would ignore him and won't consider him for now. I can see this being stretched to "calling risen town" but yes you never actually said those words. Ignoring a player in full though tends to make people think town read.

I don't think him having a non alignment indicative campaign is a bad thing. I would argue that making a "huge pro town" one is actually hard to do. Campaigns are required if someone seriously wants to be elected but past that their actions determine if they get elected. I would never elect HF based on his election post but I also wouldn't kill him for it.

Point 3 has a ton of merit and looks bad. I honestly prefer a grack / storr lynch at this point but if HF keeps this behaviour up we will have a solid #3 to the list
but is willing to consider HF as a third option for lynch.

The train of thought there, as I read things, is: (1) rayn is on my watch list; (2) rayn made this case; (3) I don't like 2 of his 3 points; (4) the 3rd is good therefore I will consider rayn's target maybe scummy. Within the development of BC/rayn, I never saw BC call out rayn as TOWN, or specifically like anything rayn said and find it super awesome. Which leaves me wondering why rayn, who was suspicious a moment ago, has a single good point and two bad points on HF, yet HF now jumps up BC's lynch list.

He engages Artanis which I like okay, gives Artanis a task, follows up, has clearly actually looked into Grackaroni.




Overall, the BC read on rayn/HF is confusing to me, and I would like to hear what he was thinking throughout that. Otherwise, I don't want to lynch him, but I really really really don't want him in office. I think his grackaroni suspicion is supported by real stuff, but it's stuff he can find well enough as town OR mafia, and there's nothing in his filter that makes me confident he's actually town. A lot of his posting has been addressing side issues (his hatred of trolling, his thoughts re: storrzerg's newbieness or lack thereof), and if you eliminate side issues and grackaroni, his filter is very very meh (hopeless should post more/better, AMG SUCH A TOWNIE THOUGHT).

I think that IF he's very obviously town, he's a fine person to slap a vest on. But I do not read him as such, and I would not want him voted for anything right now.
On November 17 2013 03:20 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 03:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On November 17 2013 02:56 austinmcc wrote:
Artanis, you around still? If yes, I would like to play some volleyball.

On November 16 2013 22:55 Mig wrote:
Who asked marvel how many of each role there were?
If you mean the specific numbers for each faction, that's me. I didn't see it in the OP and wanted to know what size team we're dealing with.

On November 16 2013 19:31 Blazinghand wrote:
I don't understand your reasoning for not wanting BC to be mayor. if he's scum wouldn't it put him in the spotlight and make him easier to catch?
Trolling or is this an actual thought?

I'm in for a game of volleyball. What do you make of BC?
Still of the mind that his big post on grack/storr is not something to draw a read off of. I don't know about you, i THINK it was Acrofales and not you that I was scum with once and we were chatting about opportunities to make very townie housecleaning/scumhunting posts in the middle of shitfights while being scum.

HolyFlare and...was it rayn? Yes. Were fighting, being spammy, trying to take control of the thread and rayn was really trying to get discussion centered on his HF case. There were a LOT of folks not being examined yet, it was early, and I think BC as town OR scum would notice that thread really needs a half-decent case at someone in that un-examined group to (a) turn discussion towards something more fruitful and (b) get AWAY from rayn/HF.

It's not scummy to do that, but it's not as townie as other people make it out to be.


The rest of his filter...there's a lot of side stuff. Discussions over ss and VE mayoral candidacies. Questioning yamato's townieness re mayor/pardonership. Apart from his one sizeable reads post, I see way more discussion of side issues or sniping at little things than I like. Towniest thing in his filter for me is him pointing you towards a specific grack game to read. But for all his posts, there isn't much of substance.

Certainly don't want him elected, mildly scummy on him. Just way too much about hating trolls, skorr not being a noob, hopeless not having contributed enough, who should be mayor, it's all...not scumhunty, and it rarely/never leads anywhere.


My turn. If I may, let's mix things up a little. BOTH ONEGU AND HOLYFLARE, GO!
And a bunch of other posts where I ask people about their BC reads, ask for updates, etc.


Or in mason chat - "I'm currently not loving BC, not loving cheesecake, not loving lonemeow (but I have zero experience with the guy), and generally not very sure on anything." (/m57)

The way that BC has acted today has not improved my read on him. He has continued to be mainly involved in side discussion, and where he interacts with the mocsta flip reads, I find his interaction to be...questionable at best.
Fe fi fo fum.
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