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On November 17 2013 00:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
He only really pressured Storr for a little bit though in his initial post with Grack. After that it was a back and forth where neither side were really accomplishing anything. No stronger reads or convincing of anyone that the other was town. BC also stopped pressing for either of them to get lynched in favour of discrediting Yamato and pushing for ss as mayor. He doesn't seem to have conviction in his cases.
Do you like VE's lynch candidates? Which of Skanjab, Pandain, Sharrant do you think are likely to be scum? I agree that BC's unwavering support of ss is shady to me.
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On November 16 2013 12:51 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 12:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 16 2013 12:45 VayneAuthority wrote:On November 16 2013 12:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 16 2013 12:41 VayneAuthority wrote:
There always runs the risk of mafia getting one of the spots, and if past games have told us anything mafia usually does get pardoner at the least because they just have to latch onto a few townies votes to get some one in. So there is a risk in just blindly following some one that isn't yourself True, but given he and VE are my strongest two town reads, I know im town, and recognize more people have current doubts of me apparently than SS why would I not make sure the two people I believe are town aside from myself get control of spots the mafia could run amok with? I'm just trying to understand the dichotomy here because supersoft has served a mafia agenda until recently where he has cooled it off a bit. If I had to choose between myself and SS I would easily give myself the spot. I completely disagree. Supersoft to me has done absolutely everything to further town goals. Also I would never vote for you over him. If people were more inclined to vote me would I vote for myself? Likely but given that no one seems to want to (look how many people have already said they don't like me for a role) why would I not then put my stance behind someone else who should get it. If somehow ve is at a loss to get a slot ill swap my vote, but currently that seems incredibly unlikely bringing ice to a snowball fight ends the game, it doesn't further it. Building a fort or developing a plan of attack might though
This just gave me feel big town points for VA, and I agree with his thought process 100% here.
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On November 17 2013 00:09 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 23:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
What do you think about Spaghetticus? Before his VE case I'd have said completely null. I haven't fully analyzed the case yet, but just the fact that he's pushing someone most consider town makes him either quite ballsy scum or town, and I'd be tempted to think the latter is more probable (NB: I'm not aware of his meta). What do you think of raynpelikoneet?
I think Spaghetticus is the towniest town in the block right now. His opening was really paranoid, and the fact that he made a case on the player with the most townreads just underlines this really strongly. Trust is hard for him to come by and it makes perfect sense to start out that way when you're still trying to find your way. As far as I know this is his first big game and first non-newbie game, and he's playing exactly as how I'd expect a townie in that position to play and completely the opposite of how a scum in that position would play.
I've come around to Rayn. My opinions on him are well documented in my filter. His current play has shaped up quite a bit and I feel like he's asking good questions and I have no qualms over his current play. What do you think of Mig?
Also, Mocsta is scum. His case on StorrZerg was awfully artificial to begin with and he hasn't brought it back up since returning to the thread. As soon as Spaghetticus sticks his neck out and someone questioned about him before, Mocsta sees his chance of casting suspicion on someone and trying to gain some town cred. 30 minutes after his giant case Mocsta already calls it bogus, clearly not having read it properly as he says:
On November 16 2013 23:53 Mocsta wrote:
Is this guy really your best scum read that you are willing to shit the thread up to smite VE?
I don't get a Spag that is town would do this... because I sure as hell know this is how scum spag likes to play.
When Spaghetti clearly indicates he doesn't want to lynch VE, he just wants him to not become mayor, which would be evident if he actually read the case properly. Mocsta saw an opportunity to make someone look bad and took it. He wasn't interested in actually finding out his alignment.
I wish to see him hang.
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On November 17 2013 00:11 Mig wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 00:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
He only really pressured Storr for a little bit though in his initial post with Grack. After that it was a back and forth where neither side were really accomplishing anything. No stronger reads or convincing of anyone that the other was town. BC also stopped pressing for either of them to get lynched in favour of discrediting Yamato and pushing for ss as mayor. He doesn't seem to have conviction in his cases. Do you like VE's lynch candidates? Which of Skanjab, Pandain, Sharrant do you think are likely to be scum? I agree that BC's unwavering support of ss is shady to me.
I have a weak scumread on Sharrant, and haven't really looked into Skanjab or Pandain yet. They haven't said anything that tickled my fancy yet.
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On November 16 2013 23:53 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 23:46 Spaghetticus wrote:
Okay thanks guys. That puts it at midday, maybe I'll tell these fools to go buy lunch or something.
I'll still be checking in everynow and then as I write this campaign, but my responses may be short. Spaghetticus I am finding you hard to read. Posts are verbose and complicated -- everything I expect from a scum spag trying to bamboozle the thread. Have a go at this: You haven't played the game for at least 6 months. VE has been playing for more than 6 months. 1/3 of the thread thinks VE is not only town, but a strong enough candidate to be voted mayor. Some of those may even be players that you think are town and possibly respect. Why would you try and smear his campaign?Is this guy really your best scum read that you are willing to shit the thread up to smite VE? I don't get a Spag that is town would do this... because I sure as hell know this is how scum spag likes to play.
You know I'm always fairly articulate and value precision. My posts are dense but difficult to misconstrue. I also feel that since there are so few of them, they are worth the effort to read, but also partly make up for my time difficulties.
I'm sorry but arguments that appeal to authority rarely sway me. If there are reasons why you guys think he is town, state them. If you can't think of any reasons, reevaluate.
Why would I try to smear his campaign? Well... I'm not advocating any candidate in particular, which rules out a scum power play. By leaving it open-ended however, you could interpret it (as you have) that I am trying to cause discord. This is possible, but I think you're overestimating my previous impact. Out of the games I have played, three have been town. Out of those games, I almost always sit around spellchecking until I think I've gathered enough information to make a case, whereby I try to make it count for as much as possible. These cases often fly in the face of common town sentiment, whiteknighting the picked upon players, for instance, and painting their accusers as manipulators. I have very little recollection of our scum game together, though I remember bits and pieces. + Show Spoiler +We were massively behind due to the third scummer making a dodgy move then AFKing. We got JSL to step in and help but ultimately lost.
I can't recall what my plan for getting us out of that pickle was, but I know that it didn't go well. Bugger it, I'm going to look it up so I don't look foolish, but srsly this is hurting my time.
THIS was our scum QT.
Oats was in that game too, in fact, I was replacing Kush, so that's two more who may be able to verify.
My style in that game was to rip into my scum buddies (in which case we should still kill VE). We were essentially killed by a lucky cop. I don't think there was any point at which I tried to create mayhem by making conflated cases on town. What I remember most about that game was feeling that all the town were so obviously town to me, how could I possibly make a decent case that sounded believable?
At any rate, you and I Mocsta, have a history of always thinking each other scum and being overly paranoid. I was hoping that given our most recent scumming together I could come into this game confident that I'd be able to spot you if you were scum, but someone said you'd got quite good at it, which is unfortunate. Nevertheless I still think you townish, and would have you as mayor over VE, and probably over Yamato depending on who you're planning to lynch. [actually now reading Artanis' post, I'm doubtful again].
Artanis, thankyou. Your read is very accurate, and Mocsta should be able to verify (if he's not trying to create discord) that I am a particularly paranoid player, though I think myself perhaps less paranoid than in my newbies. I think Mocsta's reaction is consistent with our prior interactions in our newbies, but not with the experience Mocsta is supposed to have accumulated since then, which has given me new doubts.
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Storrzerg
+ Show Spoiler [case] +On November 16 2013 08:49 StorrZerg wrote:
@mocsta im town
way to call me scum on my bday not cool bro not cool.
As for your reasons, i propose a different way to approach things thus i have to be scum?
I can understand the "meta" is to vote someone into mayor that is a great scum hunter, so we can get a scum lynch day 1.
I don't get how saying hunting for scum, is a scum tell and that my mind set should be hunting scum. Specially since im Town. This was never the crux of my argumentation. I am getting really agitated people keep saying this, and I think this is a total cop out. Other wise, i think im leaning more town on you right now. Yes i think your case was a bit weak on myself, "lynch bait", yet i know i didn't provide much content to the game yet either. You have gotten some flak on your case against me (saying your going for lynch bait). regardless i am interested in the next person you present a case on since i think you are actually scum hunting. This reads to me as an appeal to let you off the noose -> hence the subtle/subliminal push for me to present a case on another person. *IF* you were so worried about analysing my next case I would be a null read. Instead, you try and appeal to my ego by calling me town. From this re-entry, my read has not waivered: scumStill catching up page 40 ish right now.
have not liked what mattchew has had to say so far. Fluff with no reasons for reads. maybe he has provided more input idk yet. I don't like this call out. It feels opportunistic and half-hearted. Its too general, does not have a strong stance attached to it - which makes me doubt the intentions as genuine; and lastly, adds nothing to a player that has already come under some scrutiny. This is in essence a "+1" post. Also side note, i probably should have been taking notes or something while reading the thread, so many people so many names.
Well what i said pregame will still happen. (will be gone most of Saturday, i doubt ill get any reception while in the mountains) but ill try and post when i can and i will be back on Sunday morning.
Considering this it really was silly for me to attempt to run. I just can't be active enough during this start time to do what needs to be done.
An alignment null post, however, is a very convenient excuse to walk away from this pressure.
On November 16 2013 09:14 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 09:06 Koshi wrote:On November 16 2013 09:05 StorrZerg wrote:On November 16 2013 08:55 Koshi wrote:
You confident reading Mattchew after Hogwarts? not sure what you mean by this. or what your getting at. and unlike most of you guys i guess, i'm never truly "confident" in my reads. I don't know who is mafia, i don't know the 3p, or who town are. Ill give my reads, Ill say my opinions/reads. You gave 1 guy a scumread in 1 sentence without going into detail. I ask if you are confident gutreading him after you two were buddy buds in Hogwarts. my opinion this game has nothing to do with previous game. i feel his posts have had lack of reason for his reads, and poor content thus he is leaning scummy As stated above. Too generic, and does *nothing* to gain traction on a mattchew lynch. If town: There is no congruency between the post above, and your ethos to "hunt for scum"
On November 16 2013 09:32 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 09:18 Pandain wrote:On November 15 2013 08:38 StorrZerg wrote:On November 15 2013 08:35 Mig wrote:
For the people who are actually serious about running for mayor, what is going to be your day 1 lynch strategy? Vote for a lurker/go with your gut/town consensus/etc? Kill people who claim to be mafia claim rng for first lynch (prob not but need to keep people active) hunt scum lynch them with fire 1 Why did you never then campaign for RNG. If you're mayor, then you wouldn't have extra time before you decide the lynch to do a fake RNG. 2 Who do you think is town. 3 Do you have any notes now. 1. I don't understand this.. mind saying it differently? As for mayor, i personally never considered myself a serious contender for mayor. I've never run for one before. 2. Leaning town on mocsta, leaning town on Holyflare (I liked his opening post for mayor) VE null atm, I don't feel he has been scum hunting that greatly yet, I do like how active he is. I'm currently still catching up on the thread. 3. Not really. Usually i tend to post my notes while im working on a post. (or at least i did that in my last game which was the previous newby game) I have not dived into filters yet so i have not "hunted for scum" or "found townies" My main focus is catching up on the thread. Posting some opinions. Then diving into filters. Mostly Fluff. However I am curious about the reads on Holyflare/VE. I find Holyflare to be nullish, and whilst a majority found the post scummy or null - he declares town. I am even more surprised by the VE commentary: confident enough to state that VE has been scum hunting poorly. Yet he has not caught up on the thread?
On November 16 2013 10:09 StorrZerg wrote:
( i just got to BC attack on myself/grack)
@BC i am new to TL mafia. this is my 4th game in this forum. 1 of which was many years ago. 1 was a themed game, 1 was a newbie game.
This is still a "new thing" for me. Regardless what you think. You might have a different opinion on the matter, but that's it an opinion. As far as being active and playing tons of mafia on all other places lol? I can think of one other site, but i consider those mafia games (a few games...) quite different because of the atmosphere.
Right now i'm trying to decide how to read you...
I'd say it feels pretty obvious we can't both be scum. I talk a ton in qts, (ask matt, hogwarts game hufflepuff qt. ) And undoubtedly i would have been instructed...
So my question is, are you trying to use outside tl mafia information to sway town to lynch a person based on just "a lie"
Or does town BC really need to be nit picky about this?
I can agree it seemed a bit odd that grack "defended me" I think he more so questioned wording that mocsta gave (hunting for scum vs hunting scum) which i have to agree, i don't see the point on that from mocsta.
After this, i think i am more inclined to think you are mafia. I can't agree with your lynch candidates right now, or the reasoning behind them.
I won't detail the newbie card any further. Its been done to death. He clearly is fairly experienced. I find the comment in red strange, I can't put my finger on it but its just something that I would not be thinking about in my head. (i.e. with that phrasing there is a scenario where Storrzerg is scum and BC town.) Really odd defense. Its also interesting to note that Storrzerg chooses to lean mafia on BC and town on myself even though we are the two prime attackers. Its curious to note that universal town read yamato wants the blood of BC - and Storrzerg is now pushing BC.
Then a bunch of fluff + pushing BC. Then we get: On November 16 2013 11:14 StorrZerg wrote:
Decided to look at austinmcc filter first.
I can't say i like how he has kept questioning the troll question. (and again, i'd put trolls under useless/inactive town)
Other than that, i like his approach to the game, how he is asking questions. I also like how he is presenting his reads, in particular his Pandain read/thoughts. I'm happy with how he is askingg his questions in general.
I would lean town on austinmcc.
@austinmcc what is your read on BC? would you agree his cause to lynch trolls is not alignment specific? Regardless of that answer, if you take that out, what makes him town or scum with how he has been playing this game so far?
I am FIRMLY null on Austin. Hes a slippery mudafarker and frankly I expected him to run for mayor. The concern here is that now Storrzerg has thrown out 3 town reads and delivered 2 scum reads (both of whom have come under scrutiny at different points int he game). For someone so concerned about finding scum.. why is he happy with how austin has questioned pandain? Is pandain scum... im not seeing any "hunting for scum" in storrzergs approach to this game.
On November 16 2013 11:29 StorrZerg wrote:Now lets take a better look at mattchew + Show Spoiler [case on mattchew] +I understand mattchew plays the game, by finding town and adding more town to his circle. And by that process he finds scum since they are not in his circle. How ever i am not so keen on him throwing town reads with no reason. (as he first starts out throwing one on VE) On November 15 2013 12:47 Mattchew wrote:
Yam and mocsta are town but i dont agree with Mocsta's case on Storr. I saw his conclusion, read storrs filter for myself, then read his case, and reconsidered but was not swayed into putting storr anywhere but neutral. Storr is going to play different, because he comes from a different type of mafia. Mocsta sometimes equivocates different to scum again Yam, random town read no real reason. I can "assume" he is getting a town read from mocsta because he believes mocsta is scum hunting. I shouldn't assume however.. I'd prefer matt to explain in a few more words why he feels this way. He seems a bit better with how he read the situation. (since i came to a similar conclusion mocsta town, im town) He changes his read on Alakaslam because of Alakaslam post responding to yamato. again, where are the reasons? After i said i was leaning scum on mattchew, On November 16 2013 09:33 Mattchew wrote:
mattchew is town
i lean town on storr too His read on myself has now changed. Why? again lack of reasoning. And most recent post On November 16 2013 09:33 Mattchew wrote:
BC can be lynched and im ok with that, same with koshi Not to sure why he is ok with these people, personally i am fine with a BC lynch since i feel he has not been looking for scum, just low hanging fruit. In the end, i have not found mattchew to have done anything yet in this game. His reads have had no reasoning what so ever save for 1 comment defending myself. I am putting him my scum circle for now. This is in essence a big fat summary post. Matt did this, matt did that. No explanation of why it exhibits a mafia mindset. Nor does it lead to any pressure on matt to follow up with. This is feigning contribution at its absolute finest.
Storrzerg has made lots of promises to find scum. However,
his filter clearly demonstrates that he is playing lazy scum.
- Only picks on players that have been targetted by others
- Gives out several town reads with weak rationale.
- Is constantly feigning contributions
- Lastly, appeals to my ego by calling me town, which contradicts his mindset to analyse my further cases
Storrzerg is scum.
Either vote me for mayor, or lynch storrzerg as prime target.
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Rayn
Let's start with the 6 names rayn just gave us as his scumreads.
Holyflare : rayn made a case on Holyflare nobody understands or nobody supported. But for some reason rayn believed that people supported his case when he was discussing with me earlier. This so so strange because rayn hates it when people don't listen and follow his cases. rayn is scum and doesn't give 2 shits about his case.
Koshi : Started with townread on me, gave me scumread after I made a case on ss and dropped it. However, rayn doesn't know that he is giving me a scumread for that himself it seems as I asked him about why I am scum earlier and he couldn't reply. It is very strange for rayn to not let the thread know why somebody is scum. Especially when he would think and be able to prove I am scum because he can point out why I am scum pretty easily.
(PS: I am not playing afraid, hesitant or restricted this game. Does somebody believe that? Maybe you should ask proof from rayn) (PSII: rayn saying I am scum while I am town makes me bitter)
Sharrant: rayn has had a scumread on Sharrant since Sharrant made the conclusion rayn is scum while it should have been town. Pretty sure that is the same reason why rayn thinks Holyflare is scum. It's just weak, and silly. But could come from town rayn this one. But it's just silly that nobody knows why Sharrant is a scumread from rayn unless you read that 1 post about him.
supersoft: For the same reason I think supersoft is scum (disruptive townplay). So yay for us. I still got a scumread after I made my case on ss though.
Pandain/Grack: Both these names shouldn't be on rayn his list. rayn is confident in reading Pandain so he should be sitting on null till Pandain posts. Grack is scum because he is useless? town rayn ignores useless people if he has 4 scumreads in which he strongly believes.
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What I want to point out to everybody that scum rayn is still a very active player, it will always look like he is figuring out the game, scum rayn does this because he needs to come in and be able to take control when it is needed. So while it looks like he is atm playing the game and figuring out alignments I want to show you that he isn't.
The people that played with a town rayn before know that when rayn is figuring somebody out and starts to have a very strong scumread on this player he makes sure everybody in the thread knows about this. He will repeat constantly why somebody is scum and will try to convince people that he is right in every way possible. therefore, it is really important that you guys note down that rayn hasn't tried to convince any of the possible Mayors why he is town and or push his reads upon them. The 1 towngame rayn played like this would be Aperture but I do not believe this is a repeat of that.
Lynch rayn. I am certain that he is the best bet for scum.
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On November 17 2013 00:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Also, Mocsta is scum. His case on StorrZerg was awfully artificial to begin with and he hasn't brought it back up since returning to the thread. As soon as Spaghetticus sticks his neck out and someone questioned about him before, Mocsta sees his chance of casting suspicion on someone and trying to gain some town cred. 30 minutes after his giant case Mocsta already calls it bogus, clearly not having read it properly as he says: Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 23:53 Mocsta wrote:
Is this guy really your best scum read that you are willing to shit the thread up to smite VE?
I don't get a Spag that is town would do this... because I sure as hell know this is how scum spag likes to play. When Spaghetti clearly indicates he doesn't want to lynch VE, he just wants him to not become mayor, which would be evident if he actually read the case properly. Mocsta saw an opportunity to make someone look bad and took it. He wasn't interested in actually finding out his alignment. I wish to see him hang.
This is an absolute joke.
Why are you intentionally trying to manipulate this situation into your favour.
Explain now how I "trying to gain some town cred" by querying spaggheticus.
FYI, I did not read the entire diatribe on VE. Kudos to you if you did, however, to me: the intent is the same as far as im concerned. Its shitting up the thread on someone that is a valid candidate in my opinion.
I vehemently disagree on your last statement.
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On November 17 2013 00:39 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 00:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Also, Mocsta is scum. His case on StorrZerg was awfully artificial to begin with and he hasn't brought it back up since returning to the thread. As soon as Spaghetticus sticks his neck out and someone questioned about him before, Mocsta sees his chance of casting suspicion on someone and trying to gain some town cred. 30 minutes after his giant case Mocsta already calls it bogus, clearly not having read it properly as he says: On November 16 2013 23:53 Mocsta wrote:
Is this guy really your best scum read that you are willing to shit the thread up to smite VE?
I don't get a Spag that is town would do this... because I sure as hell know this is how scum spag likes to play. When Spaghetti clearly indicates he doesn't want to lynch VE, he just wants him to not become mayor, which would be evident if he actually read the case properly. Mocsta saw an opportunity to make someone look bad and took it. He wasn't interested in actually finding out his alignment. I wish to see him hang. This is an absolute joke. Why are you intentionally trying to manipulate this situation into your favour. Explain now how I "trying to gain some town cred" by querying spaggheticus.FYI, I did not read the entire diatribe on VE. Kudos to you if you did, however, to me: the intent is the same as far as im concerned. Its shitting up the thread on someone that is a valid candidate in my opinion. I vehemently disagree on your last statement.
Tell me why any scum attacks any town player? Is that really a question?
Yeah, it's definitely shitting up the thread when he posted his case in a spoiler tag to prevent exactly that. You just threw out an accusation because you saw an easy opportunity to do so that you thought had little chance of backfiring. That's been your entire game so far. You've attacked StorrZerg, Grackaroni, and Hopeless1der, all easy targets, and now you saw another one to add to the list. You're scum bro.
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On November 17 2013 00:27 Spaghetticus wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 16 2013 23:53 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 23:46 Spaghetticus wrote:
Okay thanks guys. That puts it at midday, maybe I'll tell these fools to go buy lunch or something.
I'll still be checking in everynow and then as I write this campaign, but my responses may be short. Spaghetticus I am finding you hard to read. Posts are verbose and complicated -- everything I expect from a scum spag trying to bamboozle the thread. Have a go at this: You haven't played the game for at least 6 months. VE has been playing for more than 6 months. 1/3 of the thread thinks VE is not only town, but a strong enough candidate to be voted mayor. Some of those may even be players that you think are town and possibly respect. Why would you try and smear his campaign?Is this guy really your best scum read that you are willing to shit the thread up to smite VE? I don't get a Spag that is town would do this... because I sure as hell know this is how scum spag likes to play. You know I'm always fairly articulate and value precision. My posts are dense but difficult to misconstrue. I also feel that since there are so few of them, they are worth the effort to read, but also partly make up for my time difficulties. I'm sorry but arguments that appeal to authority rarely sway me. If there are reasons why you guys think he is town, state them. If you can't think of any reasons, reevaluate. Why would I try to smear his campaign? Well... I'm not advocating any candidate in particular, which rules out a scum power play. By leaving it open-ended however, you could interpret it (as you have) that I am trying to cause discord. This is possible, but I think you're overestimating my previous impact. Out of the games I have played, three have been town. Out of those games, I almost always sit around spellchecking until I think I've gathered enough information to make a case, whereby I try to make it count for as much as possible. These cases often fly in the face of common town sentiment, whiteknighting the picked upon players, for instance, and painting their accusers as manipulators. I have very little recollection of our scum game together, though I remember bits and pieces. + Show Spoiler +We were massively behind due to the third scummer making a dodgy move then AFKing. We got JSL to step in and help but ultimately lost. I can't recall what my plan for getting us out of that pickle was, but I know that it didn't go well. Bugger it, I'm going to look it up so I don't look foolish, but srsly this is hurting my time. THIS was our scum QT. Oats was in that game too, in fact, I was replacing Kush, so that's two more who may be able to verify. My style in that game was to rip into my scum buddies (in which case we should still kill VE). We were essentially killed by a lucky cop. I don't think there was any point at which I tried to create mayhem by making conflated cases on town. What I remember most about that game was feeling that all the town were so obviously town to me, how could I possibly make a decent case that sounded believable? At any rate, you and I Mocsta, have a history of always thinking each other scum and being overly paranoid. I was hoping that given our most recent scumming together I could come into this game confident that I'd be able to spot you if you were scum, but someone said you'd got quite good at it, which is unfortunate. Nevertheless I still think you townish, and would have you as mayor over VE, and probably over Yamato depending on who you're planning to lynch. [actually now reading Artanis' post, I'm doubtful again]. Artanis, thankyou. Your read is very accurate, and Mocsta should be able to verify (if he's not trying to create discord) that I am a particularly paranoid player, though I think myself perhaps less paranoid than in my newbies. I think Mocsta's reaction is consistent with our prior interactions in our newbies, but not with the experience Mocsta is supposed to have accumulated since then, which has given me new doubts.
hmmmm, the step down memory lane went different than i remember than i suppose.
I remember that game we were bussing yes; but I had a strong memory of you intentionally trying to go against thread sentiment at a pivotal time. Hence my concern.
Either way, I like this response. The tone feels sincere/genuine. As far as I am concerned you are not a priority today.
Also, yes. I can verify that you *were* an overly paranoid player and agree with the town assessment of yourself from the newbies.
You said artanis read is accurate: I presume you are referring to him calling you town.
What do you make of his points/case on myself.
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Mocsta I do wish you'd lose the fanfair and speak plainly. It's always made me more suspicious of you, even when you ended up town.
Shitting up the thread? I call bullshit. You're forcing this angle too hard for a post you failed to read. how do you know if I'm shitting things up if you haven't even read it, I hope you read the conclusion, otherwise you might just be misconstruing my entire intention *barely concealed sarcasm* -_-
You didn't "query"... you dismissed, and you admit you haven't read it so I think I'm justified in adding that you did so prematurely.
That you think you have any leg to stand on for attacking me for this post is... well... it blows my mind regardless of your alignment.
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That was posted prior to your most recent response Mocsta.
I think Artanis has good points. I'm less confident, mainly because of our history and my meta read on you, but you are looking more scummy to me. Unfortunately this looks pretty weak given that pretty much only just changed my mind. You do play with far too much melodrama.
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On November 17 2013 00:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 00:39 Mocsta wrote:On November 17 2013 00:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Also, Mocsta is scum. His case on StorrZerg was awfully artificial to begin with and he hasn't brought it back up since returning to the thread. As soon as Spaghetticus sticks his neck out and someone questioned about him before, Mocsta sees his chance of casting suspicion on someone and trying to gain some town cred. 30 minutes after his giant case Mocsta already calls it bogus, clearly not having read it properly as he says: On November 16 2013 23:53 Mocsta wrote:
Is this guy really your best scum read that you are willing to shit the thread up to smite VE?
I don't get a Spag that is town would do this... because I sure as hell know this is how scum spag likes to play. When Spaghetti clearly indicates he doesn't want to lynch VE, he just wants him to not become mayor, which would be evident if he actually read the case properly. Mocsta saw an opportunity to make someone look bad and took it. He wasn't interested in actually finding out his alignment. I wish to see him hang. This is an absolute joke. Why are you intentionally trying to manipulate this situation into your favour. Explain now how I "trying to gain some town cred" by querying spaggheticus.FYI, I did not read the entire diatribe on VE. Kudos to you if you did, however, to me: the intent is the same as far as im concerned. Its shitting up the thread on someone that is a valid candidate in my opinion. I vehemently disagree on your last statement. Tell me why any scum attacks any town player? Is that really a question? Yeah, it's definitely shitting up the thread when he posted his case in a spoiler tag to prevent exactly that. You just threw out an accusation because you saw an easy opportunity to do so that you thought had little chance of backfiring. That's been your entire game so far. You've attacked StorrZerg, Grackaroni, and Hopeless1der, all easy targets, and now you saw another one to add to the list. You're scum bro. Firstly, it doesnt matter if he spoilered it or not. He was asking for follow-ups on something I find to be irrelevant, useless, and yes - shitting the thread. I think my point is extremely valid, and you are starting to give me the shits about this.
Why are you avoiding having a genuine discussion with me? instead you have to discredit me by saying my reads are 'easy targets"
I stand by Storrzerg and Grack as scum. Hopeless was more an observation. Since when is "easy target" not equivocal to being mafia?
You are skewing everything to fit your story and I'm finding this to be damn scummy.
Whose scum Artanis. What, me Sharrant, and who else? Cos from a glance of your filter I see a bunch more town reads than scum reads.
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1-2 sentences why rayn can't be scum / rayn is scum is always appreciated.
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On November 17 2013 00:52 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 00:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 17 2013 00:39 Mocsta wrote:On November 17 2013 00:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Also, Mocsta is scum. His case on StorrZerg was awfully artificial to begin with and he hasn't brought it back up since returning to the thread. As soon as Spaghetticus sticks his neck out and someone questioned about him before, Mocsta sees his chance of casting suspicion on someone and trying to gain some town cred. 30 minutes after his giant case Mocsta already calls it bogus, clearly not having read it properly as he says: On November 16 2013 23:53 Mocsta wrote:
Is this guy really your best scum read that you are willing to shit the thread up to smite VE?
I don't get a Spag that is town would do this... because I sure as hell know this is how scum spag likes to play. When Spaghetti clearly indicates he doesn't want to lynch VE, he just wants him to not become mayor, which would be evident if he actually read the case properly. Mocsta saw an opportunity to make someone look bad and took it. He wasn't interested in actually finding out his alignment. I wish to see him hang. This is an absolute joke. Why are you intentionally trying to manipulate this situation into your favour. Explain now how I "trying to gain some town cred" by querying spaggheticus.FYI, I did not read the entire diatribe on VE. Kudos to you if you did, however, to me: the intent is the same as far as im concerned. Its shitting up the thread on someone that is a valid candidate in my opinion. I vehemently disagree on your last statement. Tell me why any scum attacks any town player? Is that really a question? Yeah, it's definitely shitting up the thread when he posted his case in a spoiler tag to prevent exactly that. You just threw out an accusation because you saw an easy opportunity to do so that you thought had little chance of backfiring. That's been your entire game so far. You've attacked StorrZerg, Grackaroni, and Hopeless1der, all easy targets, and now you saw another one to add to the list. You're scum bro. Firstly, it doesnt matter if he spoilered it or not. He was asking for follow-ups on something I find to be irrelevant, useless, and yes - shitting the thread. I think my point is extremely valid, and you are starting to give me the shits about this. Why are you avoiding having a genuine discussion with me? instead you have to discredit me by saying my reads are 'easy targets" I stand by Storrzerg and Grack as scum. Hopeless was more an observation. Since when is "easy target" not equivocal to being mafia? You are skewing everything to fit your story and I'm finding this to be damn scummy. Whose scum Artanis. What, me Sharrant, and who else? Cos from a glance of your filter I see a bunch more town reads than scum reads.
I'm attacking you on what's important. You showed a clear scum mindset when you jumped on the opportunity to attack a player that wasn't established as town by anyone. I figure any townie can see how Spaghetti is clearly town from how paranoid he was in the past. I therefore find you likely to be scum. You've only attacked players that were easy to target and had, if my memory serves me right, already been attacked by others, but that's not as relevant. The main point is you attacked Spaghetti because you saw an opportunity to incriminate him, not because you actually believed him to be scum. This is made clear by not even having read the case that you found disruptive. This means you didn't even consider it. I'm not skewing anything, I'm calling it as I read it.
I have other suspects which have been made clear in my filter. You're by far on number one right now though, and I appreciate the panic chainsaw defense.
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I could see Storrzerg being scum. I was not impressed when we talked earlier. But rayn lynch is better.
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On November 17 2013 00:54 Koshi wrote:
1-2 sentences why rayn can't be scum / rayn is scum is always appreciated.
If the points are true the case reads alright. i do expect more 'follow-through' from a town rayn. Problem is, I have to read his filter to see the quotes/interactions and too tired to do that now + going to bed now anyways.
So, I still think storrzerg is the best choice.
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On November 16 2013 14:13 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 13:45 yamato77 wrote:On November 16 2013 13:37 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 16 2013 13:37 yamato77 wrote:On November 16 2013 13:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yamato reveal the secrets your masonry keeps hidden from the rest of us. TELL ME WHAT I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT LONEMEOW!!! he wants to know what I think about rayn i haven't really invested much time paying attention to rayn That usually pays out in the end man. Is that it? Like, just asking you about rayn? Do you think he's town or scum based on your interactions? there's not much to base it off of honestly, with how super and I talked about it earlier, I think LM is town and it's not worth fretting over I honestly have no idea how this argument keeps getting used IN FAVOUR of LM. He's contributed jack shit, his only posts in the mason chat are asking what yamato thinks about rayn. This is 100% LM that I saw in hogwarts when he was scum. He comes into the QT, asks what he should do with his power and asks who he should focus on. His power got used on conveniently the most towny person at the start of the game without reading.... despite him knowing the playstyles of other people (both factions) whereas he only knows one playstyle of yamato's, his reason for doing it? He picked a random person on the player list.... His only participation in this thread is shock at storrzerg being new/not new. Congratulations, he's in the background again. As far as this little gem that I've seen: Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 12:49 Risen wrote:On November 16 2013 12:48 yamato77 wrote:On November 16 2013 08:58 Blazinghand wrote:Hey so before we go all pant-head here I will upgrade to sock-head and push for an RNG lynch So here's what happens 1) you elect me mayor 2) I will lynch the guy via RNG as determined by this post (the one you're reading right now)'s post count modulo 31. Since so many people are posting at once on TL it's impossible for us to know what's going down. I've done this before. It works. For RNG, this post will be used for generating a random lynch. The # in the upper left corner can be right-clicked and used to access the absolute TL post # for this post. That number mod 9 is the random lynch. 1 =Oats, 2 = rayn, etc, all the way up to 8 = holyflare and 0 = sloosh.
The reason we use the absolute TL post number is that posts are constantly being made, so the number is truly random. We turn it into a number 1-9 by taking that number mod 9. What is mod? effectively, it's the remainder after division. For example. 10 mod 9 = 1. 11 mod 9 = 2. 18 mod 9 = 0. 19 mod 9 = 1. and so on.
Basically, this generates a random number 1 through 9. I am in favor of the random lynch (though am somewhat interested in a policy lynch today as well-- TL does not do this enough. I will start off by voting for the random lynched based on THIS POST. In this case, 1 = BC 2 = Mattchew 3 = Sharrant 4 = VE and so on all the way up to... 30 = BH 0 = Oatsmaster (since a multiple of 31 modulo 31 is 0, not 31). Stopping here momentarily because I want to note just how awful this is as an entrance post over halway through d1 He made an equally "horrible" opening post in WHC. I'm not phased, and wondering why you are. Risen, you quite clearly know that this wasn't the only post that BH did in WHC so why does it not phase you that his content thus far has been utterly appalling? BH in WHC was shaparoning, giving reads, solving things and eventually got us to lynch your scum partner. Does this really look like the same BH to you?
Im going to address two things here first my take on LM and second HF take on LM and his condridiction of his own words.
First you say LM has contributed jackshit, and while this is true it is not alignment indicative of LM, he lurks and doesnt do much as either alignment. Second you say what he did in hogwarts scum qt, so why in this game do you think he wouldnt do the same thing? Or do you think he did the same thing and his scummates told him to mason yamato one of the better scumhunters on the site? Also LM doesnt say he rng, he picked a person without haveing a read on them so he picked someone he knew, this is all townie things to do.
HF how can you call LM scummy for this, but in your own post say LM asks his scummates what he should do with his powers.
The only way I could even slightly see this as being from a scum LM, is if LM and Yamato are scum together and this is a play for towncred. But this is very unlikely. And from your post I dont think that is how you see this. You are just trying to make LM look bad.
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On November 16 2013 19:13 Spaghetticus wrote:
Mocsta & VE
What are your current plans for mayor? Who are you intending to lynch if you gain the position?
Yamato77
Would you be willing to reconsider your BC platform in favour of Grack? If not, could you please consolidate your case on BC so that we can easily assess its merit? At this moment in time I am uncomfortable with your choice of lynch, but am comfortable with you as town.
I'm working on my reads currently, but I explicitly stated that I no longer want to lynch BC. This feels a LOT LIKE LXI where BC was town and him and Ace (now ss in this game) were just all over each other with vet circlejerk. Funny enough, SS mentioned VE as possible assassin makes him more likely to be one himself, and Ace was 3P in that game, too! I don't really think either is mafia, anyway.
Grack could be someone I would want to see die. He had some activity when BC accused him, but that was it and since he's been rather MIA. He could be just lazy town, but he's had way more effort than this in his past few town games.
On November 16 2013 19:26 Blazinghand wrote:
its because the theatrical release
1) ruined the MD Device
2) ruined petra
3) ruined command school
3 again) ruined ender randomly murdering people
4) ruined everything
this is another useless fuck. Just like his last scum game, BH is doing nothing and getting ignored for it. If I had mayor, I would kill him.
On November 16 2013 21:12 Onegu wrote:
Im still walking around the mall and posting as I see things in thread.
Also I am serious you guys should vote me for mayor. That way the assassians bullets cant hit me.
Just jokeing about the assassian thing, or am I !?!? But serious about the vote for me part.
Onegu seems off to me a bit. He's really on this HF thing which reminds me a lot of how he tunneled people as scum in Desert. Plus posts like these that are jokish in nature feel a bit forced. Not enough to make me want to lynch him over the less active people, but enough that I think he should be seriously watched.
On November 16 2013 22:47 Mig wrote:
super can you post who your top 3 lynch candidates would be if you became mayor?
Btw I find it a bit shady that Storrzerg's first reaction to me posting my notes was to ask if it was cheating. Seems like more of a mafia mindset than a townies which is more likely to read and comment on the notes themselves.
I agree with this post. I think Mig is probably town. He's posted many things I find genuine and a lot of things I agree with. I had the same reaction to Storr's post there.
On November 16 2013 23:20 Mig wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 23:16 Mocsta wrote:
Finally caught up guys. Been a busy day.
But got good laughs from Migs spreadsheet post at least.
I thought this guy was meant to be a vet? How the fuck am I scum read lol.
I have struggled to get over how ridiculously dumb the hunt scum/for scum point was.
Also this. Moc is worth watching just because of how silly that was. However, I think Moc often forces cases even as town (Like Hapa does when he's town), so it's not enough. I think Moc's activity over the next few days will tell us more about his alginment.
Austinmcc is another person I am looking at seriously. I remember him asking some vague questions to people and his slightly trollish style is one he can definitely emulate as mafia. He hasn't been very involved in finding scum, just asking questions and appearing interested. I don't think he's taken any stances himself and I don't remember of the top of my head who he wants for mayor. Will be filtering him shortly.
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