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On November 16 2013 11:29 StorrZerg wrote:Now lets take a better look at mattchew I understand mattchew plays the game, by finding town and adding more town to his circle. And by that process he finds scum since they are not in his circle. How ever i am not so keen on him throwing town reads with no reason. (as he first starts out throwing one on VE) Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 12:47 Mattchew wrote:
Yam and mocsta are town but i dont agree with Mocsta's case on Storr. I saw his conclusion, read storrs filter for myself, then read his case, and reconsidered but was not swayed into putting storr anywhere but neutral. Storr is going to play different, because he comes from a different type of mafia. Mocsta sometimes equivocates different to scum again Yam, random town read no real reason. I can "assume" he is getting a town read from mocsta because he believes mocsta is scum hunting. I shouldn't assume however.. I'd prefer matt to explain in a few more words why he feels this way. He seems a bit better with how he read the situation. (since i came to a similar conclusion mocsta town, im town) He changes his read on Alakaslam because of Alakaslam post responding to yamato. again, where are the reasons? After i said i was leaning scum on mattchew, Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 09:33 Mattchew wrote:
mattchew is town
i lean town on storr too His read on myself has now changed. Why? again lack of reasoning. And most recent post Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 09:33 Mattchew wrote:
BC can be lynched and im ok with that, same with koshi Not to sure why he is ok with these people, personally i am fine with a BC lynch since i feel he has not been looking for scum, just low hanging fruit. In the end, i have not found mattchew to have done anything yet in this game. His reads have had no reasoning what so ever save for 1 comment defending myself. I am putting him my scum circle for now.
This one. I didn't like his initial post on austin, mainly because austin is a hard player to read anyway and Storr is generally not familiar with austin's playstyle. But then he went and looked at Mattchew. He recently played a game where he and Matt got pretty cozy in a mason QT together (or cozy SOMEWHERE, huehue). This is the type of read I'd expect a townStorr to try and make...one on someone he's more familiar with. The post itself is okay - no better or worse than any other PbPA posts, but the intent and motivation are what I liked about it.
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On November 17 2013 01:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 01:11 Mocsta wrote:On November 17 2013 00:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 17 2013 00:52 Mocsta wrote:On November 17 2013 00:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 17 2013 00:39 Mocsta wrote:On November 17 2013 00:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Also, Mocsta is scum. His case on StorrZerg was awfully artificial to begin with and he hasn't brought it back up since returning to the thread. As soon as Spaghetticus sticks his neck out and someone questioned about him before, Mocsta sees his chance of casting suspicion on someone and trying to gain some town cred. 30 minutes after his giant case Mocsta already calls it bogus, clearly not having read it properly as he says: On November 16 2013 23:53 Mocsta wrote:
Is this guy really your best scum read that you are willing to shit the thread up to smite VE?
I don't get a Spag that is town would do this... because I sure as hell know this is how scum spag likes to play. When Spaghetti clearly indicates he doesn't want to lynch VE, he just wants him to not become mayor, which would be evident if he actually read the case properly. Mocsta saw an opportunity to make someone look bad and took it. He wasn't interested in actually finding out his alignment. I wish to see him hang. This is an absolute joke. Why are you intentionally trying to manipulate this situation into your favour. Explain now how I "trying to gain some town cred" by querying spaggheticus.FYI, I did not read the entire diatribe on VE. Kudos to you if you did, however, to me: the intent is the same as far as im concerned. Its shitting up the thread on someone that is a valid candidate in my opinion. I vehemently disagree on your last statement. Tell me why any scum attacks any town player? Is that really a question? Yeah, it's definitely shitting up the thread when he posted his case in a spoiler tag to prevent exactly that. You just threw out an accusation because you saw an easy opportunity to do so that you thought had little chance of backfiring. That's been your entire game so far. You've attacked StorrZerg, Grackaroni, and Hopeless1der, all easy targets, and now you saw another one to add to the list. You're scum bro. Firstly, it doesnt matter if he spoilered it or not. He was asking for follow-ups on something I find to be irrelevant, useless, and yes - shitting the thread. I think my point is extremely valid, and you are starting to give me the shits about this. Why are you avoiding having a genuine discussion with me? instead you have to discredit me by saying my reads are 'easy targets" I stand by Storrzerg and Grack as scum. Hopeless was more an observation. Since when is "easy target" not equivocal to being mafia? You are skewing everything to fit your story and I'm finding this to be damn scummy. Whose scum Artanis. What, me Sharrant, and who else? Cos from a glance of your filter I see a bunch more town reads than scum reads. I'm attacking you on what's important. You showed a clear scum mindset when you jumped on the opportunity to attack a player that wasn't established as town by anyone. I figure any townie can see how Spaghetti is clearly town from how paranoid he was in the past. I therefore find you likely to be scum. You've only attacked players that were easy to target and had, if my memory serves me right, already been attacked by others, but that's not as relevant. The main point is you attacked Spaghetti because you saw an opportunity to incriminate him, not because you actually believed him to be scum. This is made clear by not even having read the case that you found disruptive. This means you didn't even consider it. I'm not skewing anything, I'm calling it as I read it. I have other suspects which have been made clear in my filter. You're by far on number one right now though, and I appreciate the panic chainsaw defense. Now you are making yourself look stupid. Chainsaw defense on who? What I meant was OMGUS. My apologies for the wrong term. Show nested quote +(1) I was the first to attack Storr, and I believe the first to attack Grack -- I should be as he immediately retaliated against me. Your points are making no sense Artanis. Are you tunneled or jsut bullshitting off the cuff? Ah yes, I remember your initial case against Storr. It was an amazing one with great points such as hunt for scum, and how he wishes to use rng, which has proven to be a great scumtell in the past. BC already attacked Grackaroni before you did. You were having a back and forth with him but didn't accuse him until others already did. Show nested quote +(2) Say what you will about not reading the VE spoiler, but heres the header: On November 16 2013 23:20 Spaghetticus wrote:
My preliminary case on VE
I think this post important, as I both want it to be used in shutting down VE's attempt at mayordom, but also potentially later to launch an investigation on him. I've spoilered it as it is large, but do not disregard it please.
I've done this entirely through a prolonged filter dive, so there is some information missing. Shall I reemphasize case + shutting down VEs attempt at mayordom?? Yes. Shutting down VE's attempt at mayordom is something different from wanting him lynched isn't it? Show nested quote +Of coutrse I opened the spoiler, and in the same motion deemed it too much information.
But let me guess, I am scum for that.
Fact is, I disagreed with Spag conclusion and stand by it.
What I also disagree with is your approach to faking pressure on me. I say faking because all your pressure is through misconstruing fact.
I can only assume you think Storrzerg is town too? Well, if you're going to call someone scum for something then not read what that is then that's pretty damning. And I'm construing it in a way that makes sense to me. I can't see a townie consider Spaghetticus scum for what he said, especially with the tenacity and speed that you jumped on it showed little reflection.
This is absolutely pointless now and shitting the thread.
I made a new case on Storrzerg dipshit.
+ your points on Grack are weak. What, am I meant to accuse all 6 people I think could be scum.. that they are scum at the same time?
Lastly, when someone says they are making a preliminary "case".. the natural interpretation is push for a lynch.
Stop being useless and wasting my time Artanis.
Good night.
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On November 17 2013 01:25 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 01:20 Koshi wrote:yamato, read page 4-5 from rayn his filter. On November 16 2013 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am correct and i am amused by the fact that noone other than BC has commented on the best case there is. You agree his case on HoleFlare is the best case there is? Is it even close to rayn level? Who will lynch rayn? This is bad, and you should feel bad.
What is?
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Storr is pretty null. He's done some weird stuff but people have been accusing him all game also. I'd rather see what he does of his own volition.
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On November 17 2013 01:27 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 01:25 yamato77 wrote:On November 17 2013 01:20 Koshi wrote:yamato, read page 4-5 from rayn his filter. On November 16 2013 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am correct and i am amused by the fact that noone other than BC has commented on the best case there is. You agree his case on HoleFlare is the best case there is? Is it even close to rayn level? Who will lynch rayn? This is bad, and you should feel bad. What is?
Using that post as justification for a scum read on Rayn.
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On November 17 2013 01:24 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 01:18 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 17 2013 01:14 yamato77 wrote:The biggest gripe I have have with Austin is how he approached this: On November 15 2013 12:50 austinmcc wrote:On November 15 2013 12:43 yamato77 wrote:On November 15 2013 12:40 austinmcc wrote:On November 15 2013 12:37 yamato77 wrote:On November 15 2013 09:16 hiro protagonist wrote:
Thats cool VE. but this was my plan before I got a role. I think its a good one ^__^ Obviously a claim. Ah. I don't read it that way, but I see where you at. I will say that, assuming a non-infinite amount of rock-lifting power, Hiro is not a rock I'm interested in looking under today. Are you going to run for mayor? If not, who would you elect? I think so, but am not entirely sure atm. I generally think of myself as someone able to show that he's townie early, to assuage any doubts, and I'm usually decent at the game. I feel like I'd make a good mayor. Right now, my focus is on getting a handle on a couple people in the game, solidifying D1 reads on them, and then moving towards a good lynch target. If I were to elect someone RIGHT NOW, it would actually be hiropro I think. I'm not going to vote for a person on the basis of their scumread right now, it's way too early in the game for that. So I'd have to vote one of my strongest townreads, and just trust that I can identify a townie to whom I can give a vest and bonus vote, currently looking at Hiro or Holy I think? Not only is hiro someone who has subsequently fallen off the map, but Austin went to AMAZING lengths to justify this super town read of hiro so early on. He's never really updated who he wants to be mayor at all. In fact, all Austin's done since this point in time is prod 2 players about things, Pandain and Onegu. He's responsive when questioned and appears pro-town, but Austin is capable of those things as mafia. What I want to know is, who does he want for mayor now, and why? If he were mayor, who would he lynch? I don't see much along these lines in his filter. He mentions the mayor talk "doesn't do much" for him, yet when he was town in LIX, he ran for mayor and actively participated in the campaigning D1. This game, Austin's firmly in the group of players right below the super townie active ones which is where he usually is as mafia. Perhaps I'm taking this a bit far, but he seems like mafia to me. I'd rather lynch BH over him, but he's second on the list at the moment. Wait, rehash the reasoning what BH is doing right now is non-town-BH again for me plz. Read his filter in Hogwarts. A BH who isn;t trying at all is a scum BH. He can be invovled, a la Thug Life, as town. There's no good excuse for how he's playing this game except that he's mafia.
This statement isn't true at all - a BH who doesn't try is a BH. Not scum, not town. It's true that he HAS been scum and not tried, but he's been town and not tried too.
I'm not going to kick and scream about a BH lynch - I'm just saying I think you're more certain than you should be.
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@VE
I find it suspicious that you wouldn't even address my attack. This seems to me like someone micromanaging their image. I attacked you... a lot. You know that I've failed to gain traction, and that you feel comfortable in your current position, but a town should be willing to enter in discourse simply to provide info to the rest of town, and to dispel misgivings.
You do not consider me a threat, and as a scum you would want to veer away from explaining yourself for fear of being bogged into providing real information.
You also haven't come up with any real reasons for any of your lynch options. Your scumhunting has been zero.
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On November 17 2013 01:28 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 01:24 yamato77 wrote:On November 17 2013 01:18 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 17 2013 01:14 yamato77 wrote:The biggest gripe I have have with Austin is how he approached this: On November 15 2013 12:50 austinmcc wrote:On November 15 2013 12:43 yamato77 wrote:On November 15 2013 12:40 austinmcc wrote:On November 15 2013 12:37 yamato77 wrote:On November 15 2013 09:16 hiro protagonist wrote:
Thats cool VE. but this was my plan before I got a role. I think its a good one ^__^ Obviously a claim. Ah. I don't read it that way, but I see where you at. I will say that, assuming a non-infinite amount of rock-lifting power, Hiro is not a rock I'm interested in looking under today. Are you going to run for mayor? If not, who would you elect? I think so, but am not entirely sure atm. I generally think of myself as someone able to show that he's townie early, to assuage any doubts, and I'm usually decent at the game. I feel like I'd make a good mayor. Right now, my focus is on getting a handle on a couple people in the game, solidifying D1 reads on them, and then moving towards a good lynch target. If I were to elect someone RIGHT NOW, it would actually be hiropro I think. I'm not going to vote for a person on the basis of their scumread right now, it's way too early in the game for that. So I'd have to vote one of my strongest townreads, and just trust that I can identify a townie to whom I can give a vest and bonus vote, currently looking at Hiro or Holy I think? Not only is hiro someone who has subsequently fallen off the map, but Austin went to AMAZING lengths to justify this super town read of hiro so early on. He's never really updated who he wants to be mayor at all. In fact, all Austin's done since this point in time is prod 2 players about things, Pandain and Onegu. He's responsive when questioned and appears pro-town, but Austin is capable of those things as mafia. What I want to know is, who does he want for mayor now, and why? If he were mayor, who would he lynch? I don't see much along these lines in his filter. He mentions the mayor talk "doesn't do much" for him, yet when he was town in LIX, he ran for mayor and actively participated in the campaigning D1. This game, Austin's firmly in the group of players right below the super townie active ones which is where he usually is as mafia. Perhaps I'm taking this a bit far, but he seems like mafia to me. I'd rather lynch BH over him, but he's second on the list at the moment. Wait, rehash the reasoning what BH is doing right now is non-town-BH again for me plz. Read his filter in Hogwarts. A BH who isn;t trying at all is a scum BH. He can be invovled, a la Thug Life, as town. There's no good excuse for how he's playing this game except that he's mafia. This statement isn't true at all - a BH who doesn't try is a BH. Not scum, not town. It's true that he HAS been scum and not tried, but he's been town and not tried too. I'm not going to kick and scream about a BH lynch - I'm just saying I think you're more certain than you should be.
I'm not going to let him get away with doing nothing, and you shouldn't either.
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On November 17 2013 01:29 Spaghetticus wrote:
@VE
I find it suspicious that you wouldn't even address my attack. This seems to me like someone micromanaging their image. I attacked you... a lot. You know that I've failed to gain traction, and that you feel comfortable in your current position, but a town should be willing to enter in discourse simply to provide info to the rest of town, and to dispel misgivings.
You do not consider me a threat, and as a scum you would want to veer away from explaining yourself for fear of being bogged into providing real information.
You also haven't come up with any real reasons for any of your lynch options. Your scumhunting has been zero.
I don't care. 
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On November 17 2013 01:26 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 11:29 StorrZerg wrote:Now lets take a better look at mattchew I understand mattchew plays the game, by finding town and adding more town to his circle. And by that process he finds scum since they are not in his circle. How ever i am not so keen on him throwing town reads with no reason. (as he first starts out throwing one on VE) On November 15 2013 12:47 Mattchew wrote:
Yam and mocsta are town but i dont agree with Mocsta's case on Storr. I saw his conclusion, read storrs filter for myself, then read his case, and reconsidered but was not swayed into putting storr anywhere but neutral. Storr is going to play different, because he comes from a different type of mafia. Mocsta sometimes equivocates different to scum again Yam, random town read no real reason. I can "assume" he is getting a town read from mocsta because he believes mocsta is scum hunting. I shouldn't assume however.. I'd prefer matt to explain in a few more words why he feels this way. He seems a bit better with how he read the situation. (since i came to a similar conclusion mocsta town, im town) He changes his read on Alakaslam because of Alakaslam post responding to yamato. again, where are the reasons? After i said i was leaning scum on mattchew, On November 16 2013 09:33 Mattchew wrote:
mattchew is town
i lean town on storr too His read on myself has now changed. Why? again lack of reasoning. And most recent post On November 16 2013 09:33 Mattchew wrote:
BC can be lynched and im ok with that, same with koshi Not to sure why he is ok with these people, personally i am fine with a BC lynch since i feel he has not been looking for scum, just low hanging fruit. In the end, i have not found mattchew to have done anything yet in this game. His reads have had no reasoning what so ever save for 1 comment defending myself. I am putting him my scum circle for now. This one. I didn't like his initial post on austin, mainly because austin is a hard player to read anyway and Storr is generally not familiar with austin's playstyle. But then he went and looked at Mattchew. He recently played a game where he and Matt got pretty cozy in a mason QT together (or cozy SOMEWHERE, huehue). This is the type of read I'd expect a townStorr to try and make...one on someone he's more familiar with. The post itself is okay - no better or worse than any other PbPA posts, but the intent and motivation are what I liked about it.
Personally I found this to be a summary post. As for mattchew mindset, I didnt think it added anything new to the discussion that occured a fair bit before storrzerg entered the fray.
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On November 17 2013 01:23 yamato77 wrote:On Rayn: Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 21:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 15 2013 21:36 yamato77 wrote:
lonemeow hasn't posted in the thread yet masoned me
interesting thought process I kinda think that makes him town. LM mentioned this in mason chat and asked me what I thought. Multiple times this game, Rayn has given out townreads on a whim, which some people have attacked him for. While you may not agree with his logic, I don't think mafia Rayn would just hand these out like candy, because he can't renegee on them later without catching flak for it. He's been consistent about his pressure on HF this game, perhaps to the point of tunneling. While mafia Rayn can defintiely tunnel, I think he's been rather reasonable about it despite his many posts, and it makes me question how I read holyflare. Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And he can't get me lynched. Because i will not get lynched when i am town. This is also a small town tell, worth noting anyway. I don't think Rayn is a good lynch at all. I actually am on his side in the HF/Rayn debate.
1) Sure he can trow out towntells without reasoning. As if he can't come back from it when he writes a good case.
2) On November 04 2013 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2013 04:37 marvellosity wrote:
rayn: you're dying today, so if you're genuinely and hilariously somehow not mafia, we'll just need your best cases out of you so we have some direction.
<3 fuck you if you lynch me today. i refuse to get lynched because i am town.
On November 04 2013 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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marv why are you doing this? why are you stalling the discussion because you think i might be scum for some non-existent evidence when there is acutally evidence that points out people being scum?
don't do this plz if you are town, i don't like it. if you are just OMGUSing me because i called you scum for reasons similar to yours (weak - i admit - but i think or at least thought i was right) stop it. i am willing to look the game objectively and reconsider. why are you not? you are better regarding that than i am, usually, why not now? stop the tunnel, stop being mad at me and play the game, find scum. please, if you are town, please.
because i really hate myself if i get lynched as town.
PS: He was scum.
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On November 17 2013 01:29 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 01:28 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 17 2013 01:24 yamato77 wrote:On November 17 2013 01:18 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 17 2013 01:14 yamato77 wrote:The biggest gripe I have have with Austin is how he approached this: On November 15 2013 12:50 austinmcc wrote:On November 15 2013 12:43 yamato77 wrote:On November 15 2013 12:40 austinmcc wrote:On November 15 2013 12:37 yamato77 wrote:On November 15 2013 09:16 hiro protagonist wrote:
Thats cool VE. but this was my plan before I got a role. I think its a good one ^__^ Obviously a claim. Ah. I don't read it that way, but I see where you at. I will say that, assuming a non-infinite amount of rock-lifting power, Hiro is not a rock I'm interested in looking under today. Are you going to run for mayor? If not, who would you elect? I think so, but am not entirely sure atm. I generally think of myself as someone able to show that he's townie early, to assuage any doubts, and I'm usually decent at the game. I feel like I'd make a good mayor. Right now, my focus is on getting a handle on a couple people in the game, solidifying D1 reads on them, and then moving towards a good lynch target. If I were to elect someone RIGHT NOW, it would actually be hiropro I think. I'm not going to vote for a person on the basis of their scumread right now, it's way too early in the game for that. So I'd have to vote one of my strongest townreads, and just trust that I can identify a townie to whom I can give a vest and bonus vote, currently looking at Hiro or Holy I think? Not only is hiro someone who has subsequently fallen off the map, but Austin went to AMAZING lengths to justify this super town read of hiro so early on. He's never really updated who he wants to be mayor at all. In fact, all Austin's done since this point in time is prod 2 players about things, Pandain and Onegu. He's responsive when questioned and appears pro-town, but Austin is capable of those things as mafia. What I want to know is, who does he want for mayor now, and why? If he were mayor, who would he lynch? I don't see much along these lines in his filter. He mentions the mayor talk "doesn't do much" for him, yet when he was town in LIX, he ran for mayor and actively participated in the campaigning D1. This game, Austin's firmly in the group of players right below the super townie active ones which is where he usually is as mafia. Perhaps I'm taking this a bit far, but he seems like mafia to me. I'd rather lynch BH over him, but he's second on the list at the moment. Wait, rehash the reasoning what BH is doing right now is non-town-BH again for me plz. Read his filter in Hogwarts. A BH who isn;t trying at all is a scum BH. He can be invovled, a la Thug Life, as town. There's no good excuse for how he's playing this game except that he's mafia. This statement isn't true at all - a BH who doesn't try is a BH. Not scum, not town. It's true that he HAS been scum and not tried, but he's been town and not tried too. I'm not going to kick and scream about a BH lynch - I'm just saying I think you're more certain than you should be. I'm not going to let him get away with doing nothing, and you shouldn't either.
I'm not going to let him get away with shit friend - but there are more players than BH and plenty who are better lynches than BH on D1. That's all I'm gonna say on the matter - BH DOES still need to get back with us, and I WOULD consider him for a lynch today if he rails against demands for contribution.
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On November 17 2013 01:28 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 01:27 Koshi wrote:On November 17 2013 01:25 yamato77 wrote:On November 17 2013 01:20 Koshi wrote:yamato, read page 4-5 from rayn his filter. On November 16 2013 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am correct and i am amused by the fact that noone other than BC has commented on the best case there is. You agree his case on HoleFlare is the best case there is? Is it even close to rayn level? Who will lynch rayn? This is bad, and you should feel bad. What is? Using that post as justification for a scum read on Rayn.
What? Why would you say that is the only thing.
That's 1 reason out of the 156751 why I have a scum read on rayn.
And it is a good reason.
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On November 17 2013 01:27 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 01:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 17 2013 01:11 Mocsta wrote:On November 17 2013 00:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 17 2013 00:52 Mocsta wrote:On November 17 2013 00:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 17 2013 00:39 Mocsta wrote:On November 17 2013 00:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Also, Mocsta is scum. His case on StorrZerg was awfully artificial to begin with and he hasn't brought it back up since returning to the thread. As soon as Spaghetticus sticks his neck out and someone questioned about him before, Mocsta sees his chance of casting suspicion on someone and trying to gain some town cred. 30 minutes after his giant case Mocsta already calls it bogus, clearly not having read it properly as he says: On November 16 2013 23:53 Mocsta wrote:
Is this guy really your best scum read that you are willing to shit the thread up to smite VE?
I don't get a Spag that is town would do this... because I sure as hell know this is how scum spag likes to play. When Spaghetti clearly indicates he doesn't want to lynch VE, he just wants him to not become mayor, which would be evident if he actually read the case properly. Mocsta saw an opportunity to make someone look bad and took it. He wasn't interested in actually finding out his alignment. I wish to see him hang. This is an absolute joke. Why are you intentionally trying to manipulate this situation into your favour. Explain now how I "trying to gain some town cred" by querying spaggheticus.FYI, I did not read the entire diatribe on VE. Kudos to you if you did, however, to me: the intent is the same as far as im concerned. Its shitting up the thread on someone that is a valid candidate in my opinion. I vehemently disagree on your last statement. Tell me why any scum attacks any town player? Is that really a question? Yeah, it's definitely shitting up the thread when he posted his case in a spoiler tag to prevent exactly that. You just threw out an accusation because you saw an easy opportunity to do so that you thought had little chance of backfiring. That's been your entire game so far. You've attacked StorrZerg, Grackaroni, and Hopeless1der, all easy targets, and now you saw another one to add to the list. You're scum bro. Firstly, it doesnt matter if he spoilered it or not. He was asking for follow-ups on something I find to be irrelevant, useless, and yes - shitting the thread. I think my point is extremely valid, and you are starting to give me the shits about this. Why are you avoiding having a genuine discussion with me? instead you have to discredit me by saying my reads are 'easy targets" I stand by Storrzerg and Grack as scum. Hopeless was more an observation. Since when is "easy target" not equivocal to being mafia? You are skewing everything to fit your story and I'm finding this to be damn scummy. Whose scum Artanis. What, me Sharrant, and who else? Cos from a glance of your filter I see a bunch more town reads than scum reads. I'm attacking you on what's important. You showed a clear scum mindset when you jumped on the opportunity to attack a player that wasn't established as town by anyone. I figure any townie can see how Spaghetti is clearly town from how paranoid he was in the past. I therefore find you likely to be scum. You've only attacked players that were easy to target and had, if my memory serves me right, already been attacked by others, but that's not as relevant. The main point is you attacked Spaghetti because you saw an opportunity to incriminate him, not because you actually believed him to be scum. This is made clear by not even having read the case that you found disruptive. This means you didn't even consider it. I'm not skewing anything, I'm calling it as I read it. I have other suspects which have been made clear in my filter. You're by far on number one right now though, and I appreciate the panic chainsaw defense. Now you are making yourself look stupid. Chainsaw defense on who? What I meant was OMGUS. My apologies for the wrong term. (1) I was the first to attack Storr, and I believe the first to attack Grack -- I should be as he immediately retaliated against me. Your points are making no sense Artanis. Are you tunneled or jsut bullshitting off the cuff? Ah yes, I remember your initial case against Storr. It was an amazing one with great points such as hunt for scum, and how he wishes to use rng, which has proven to be a great scumtell in the past. BC already attacked Grackaroni before you did. You were having a back and forth with him but didn't accuse him until others already did. (2) Say what you will about not reading the VE spoiler, but heres the header: On November 16 2013 23:20 Spaghetticus wrote:
My preliminary case on VE
I think this post important, as I both want it to be used in shutting down VE's attempt at mayordom, but also potentially later to launch an investigation on him. I've spoilered it as it is large, but do not disregard it please.
I've done this entirely through a prolonged filter dive, so there is some information missing. Shall I reemphasize case + shutting down VEs attempt at mayordom?? Yes. Shutting down VE's attempt at mayordom is something different from wanting him lynched isn't it? Of coutrse I opened the spoiler, and in the same motion deemed it too much information.
But let me guess, I am scum for that.
Fact is, I disagreed with Spag conclusion and stand by it.
What I also disagree with is your approach to faking pressure on me. I say faking because all your pressure is through misconstruing fact.
I can only assume you think Storrzerg is town too? Well, if you're going to call someone scum for something then not read what that is then that's pretty damning. And I'm construing it in a way that makes sense to me. I can't see a townie consider Spaghetticus scum for what he said, especially with the tenacity and speed that you jumped on it showed little reflection. This is absolutely pointless now and shitting the thread. I made a new case on Storrzerg dipshit. + your points on Grack are weak. What, am I meant to accuse all 6 people I think could be scum.. that they are scum at the same time? Lastly, when someone says they are making a preliminary "case".. the natural interpretation is push for a lynch. Stop being useless and wasting my time Artanis. Good night.
Yes, this exchange is pointless as you haven't construed a reasonable town motivation for your actions and I don't believe you can as there is none.
Yes you did. I'm saying your initial case was little more than nitpicking and made me suspect you more so than it ever did of Storr. And no you're not. The first points were simply to indicate you haven't done anything townwise. The incriminating part, as I have often repeated, is how you jumped to the conclusion that Spaghetticus is scum without properly reading the very thing you're accusing him of. This is a fact. If you're this careless about people you 'analyze' on then I can't give much meaning to anything you say. Stop breathing Mocsta, I'd like scum blood to flow.
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On November 17 2013 01:29 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 01:26 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 16 2013 11:29 StorrZerg wrote:Now lets take a better look at mattchew I understand mattchew plays the game, by finding town and adding more town to his circle. And by that process he finds scum since they are not in his circle. How ever i am not so keen on him throwing town reads with no reason. (as he first starts out throwing one on VE) On November 15 2013 12:47 Mattchew wrote:
Yam and mocsta are town but i dont agree with Mocsta's case on Storr. I saw his conclusion, read storrs filter for myself, then read his case, and reconsidered but was not swayed into putting storr anywhere but neutral. Storr is going to play different, because he comes from a different type of mafia. Mocsta sometimes equivocates different to scum again Yam, random town read no real reason. I can "assume" he is getting a town read from mocsta because he believes mocsta is scum hunting. I shouldn't assume however.. I'd prefer matt to explain in a few more words why he feels this way. He seems a bit better with how he read the situation. (since i came to a similar conclusion mocsta town, im town) He changes his read on Alakaslam because of Alakaslam post responding to yamato. again, where are the reasons? After i said i was leaning scum on mattchew, On November 16 2013 09:33 Mattchew wrote:
mattchew is town
i lean town on storr too His read on myself has now changed. Why? again lack of reasoning. And most recent post On November 16 2013 09:33 Mattchew wrote:
BC can be lynched and im ok with that, same with koshi Not to sure why he is ok with these people, personally i am fine with a BC lynch since i feel he has not been looking for scum, just low hanging fruit. In the end, i have not found mattchew to have done anything yet in this game. His reads have had no reasoning what so ever save for 1 comment defending myself. I am putting him my scum circle for now. This one. I didn't like his initial post on austin, mainly because austin is a hard player to read anyway and Storr is generally not familiar with austin's playstyle. But then he went and looked at Mattchew. He recently played a game where he and Matt got pretty cozy in a mason QT together (or cozy SOMEWHERE, huehue). This is the type of read I'd expect a townStorr to try and make...one on someone he's more familiar with. The post itself is okay - no better or worse than any other PbPA posts, but the intent and motivation are what I liked about it. Personally I found this to be a summary post. As for mattchew mindset, I didnt think it added anything new to the discussion that occured a fair bit before storrzerg entered the fray.
It's fine - I was asked why I found it townie and that's my reasoning. I know you're suspicious of him and saw something totally different...I was asked about my read. 
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Koshi, instead of arguing with me over why I think Rayn is townish, have you posted anything on why you think he's mafia? It would be more productive.
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Is there a chance that you will lynch rayn?
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VE, if you're going to be mayor, I would like you to state clearly who you're considering lynching and give precise reasons why.
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On November 17 2013 01:22 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 23:50 Skanjab1s wrote:On November 16 2013 13:55 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 16 2013 13:49 Mig wrote:
VE do you still plan on lynching into the same group of 4 you listed earlier or has it changed?
It's changed, and incomplete. Right now I'm somewhere around [b] Skanjab, Pandain, SharrantAnd I'm torn on my last couple. I'm still not interested in lynching rayn or BC and I'm starting to come around on StorrZerg. His last round of posts, while not super enlightening, felt genuine enough. I'm still filtering, and still rereading. Sup? (1) Why am I, pandain, and sharrant scum? You have not given any reasoning at all for these reads. (2) Also, could you please quote which posts from StorrZerg made you drop your scumread of him? (3) Why do you no longer suspect Grack? 1) Your lack of interest in anything that happens in this game makes me think you're scum. Pandain is in a similar boat - it's like you guys are completely disinterested in trying to find scum at all. Sharrant is....probably not going to get lynched by me. I literally pulled that name off my previous list to make it look more impressive. 2) Maybe. Maybe not. I'll go take a look, but it was more of a feeling thing. Stay tuned. 3) I don't no longer suspect Grack. I actually forgot about Grack and the fact that he's done nothing noteworthy puts him up on my radar again. Thx bra.
Well, (1) is just wrong, as I am interested in this game.
Basically, you just want to policy lynch, why not say that?.
And if you are so content with lynching people who are disinterested, why is Sharrant not going up for lynch anymore? He has only made a single post since you were last here.
Finally, why do you just want to lynch inactive people? You are a self-professed mayoral god, having NEVER failed to lynch scum D1 as a mayor, why have you shown zero interest in trying to lynch a scum-read? A large portion of your mayoral campaign is how good you are at reading peeps, so why go after a group of people who haven't posted much instead of attempting to find scum in the people who have?
(2) Do it pls.
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On November 17 2013 01:32 yamato77 wrote:
Koshi, instead of arguing with me over why I think Rayn is townish, have you posted anything on why you think he's mafia? It would be more productive.
Why isn't this good?
And rayn giving away 3 townreads is so null...
+ Show Spoiler +On November 17 2013 00:39 Koshi wrote:
Rayn
Let's start with the 6 names rayn just gave us as his scumreads.
Holyflare : rayn made a case on Holyflare nobody understands or nobody supported. But for some reason rayn believed that people supported his case when he was discussing with me earlier. This so so strange because rayn hates it when people don't listen and follow his cases. rayn is scum and doesn't give 2 shits about his case.
Koshi : Started with townread on me, gave me scumread after I made a case on ss and dropped it. However, rayn doesn't know that he is giving me a scumread for that himself it seems as I asked him about why I am scum earlier and he couldn't reply. It is very strange for rayn to not let the thread know why somebody is scum. Especially when he would think and be able to prove I am scum because he can point out why I am scum pretty easily.
(PS: I am not playing afraid, hesitant or restricted this game. Does somebody believe that? Maybe you should ask proof from rayn) (PSII: rayn saying I am scum while I am town makes me bitter)
Sharrant: rayn has had a scumread on Sharrant since Sharrant made the conclusion rayn is scum while it should have been town. Pretty sure that is the same reason why rayn thinks Holyflare is scum. It's just weak, and silly. But could come from town rayn this one. But it's just silly that nobody knows why Sharrant is a scumread from rayn unless you read that 1 post about him.
supersoft: For the same reason I think supersoft is scum (disruptive townplay). So yay for us. I still got a scumread after I made my case on ss though.
Pandain/Grack: Both these names shouldn't be on rayn his list. rayn is confident in reading Pandain so he should be sitting on null till Pandain posts. Grack is scum because he is useless? town rayn ignores useless people if he has 4 scumreads in which he strongly believes.
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What I want to point out to everybody that scum rayn is still a very active player, it will always look like he is figuring out the game, scum rayn does this because he needs to come in and be able to take control when it is needed. So while it looks like he is atm playing the game and figuring out alignments I want to show you that he isn't.
The people that played with a town rayn before know that when rayn is figuring somebody out and starts to have a very strong scumread on this player he makes sure everybody in the thread knows about this. He will repeat constantly why somebody is scum and will try to convince people that he is right in every way possible. therefore, it is really important that you guys note down that rayn hasn't tried to convince any of the possible Mayors why he is town and or push his reads upon them. The 1 towngame rayn played like this would be Aperture but I do not believe this is a repeat of that.
Lynch rayn. I am certain that he is the best bet for scum.
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