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E00e
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E00e
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E00e
88 Posts
Your Jonny case at first looked like you brought it up just because Jonny wanted to lynch you earlier and not because there is a real reason, but I like your conclusion "You raise hell, wiggle and worm your way back into people null/town reads somehow.". | ||
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E00e
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StorrZerg
United States13910 Posts
as for why a town would rb balla? idk. but my point stands that with this set up it could have happened. no reason to grill me for bringing it up... If you believe bella's claim, then imo you pretty much treating him as a confirmed town. I personally can't say im willing to treat him as a confirmed town just cause he said he got role blocked. again.... i never wanted to lynch balla today. i only explained what would happen if we did... i haven't answered any of the questions brought up to me? are you kidding me? i spent so much time yesterday answering questions yesterday. Now i am willing to call that a blatant lie from you odin. Maybe you need to reread the past few pages since you hadn't been online. | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13910 Posts
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
Either way, I liked your answer well enough for now. As for your question, I'm not certain. Probably E00e, nyx or owb as they're just too easy. Pushing for myself is probably smart because that's the only lynch aside from those three that will go through without a significant amount of work and sticking your neck out more than is necessary in this game. Vonthin's been pressuring those exact reads. It's easy, makes you look productive and does nothing else. Even if they're your scum allies pressuring one to contribute more then flipping off it early is easy. I'm withholding my vote for the time being but I should be around most of the day catching up on some work and gaming. | ||
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Vonthin
United States2864 Posts
On November 03 2013 08:02 JonnyLaw wrote: Vonthin, we went over this already. I said don't lynch july when he had 3 votes on him. Actually I said it multiple times. Go back a few pages and it was discussed. I don't understand what you mean by "we went over this already", after you called me out the first time I said you were right, I said I missed the post about you defending him when he had 3 votes. After I responded that time I didn't ask you again about July unless you thought those questions I asked to Storr thought were directed to you? On November 03 2013 08:22 JonnyLaw wrote: @poofter Perfect mafia play is to have the town think you're one of them so people follow your lead. Balla's play seems straightforward enough but who can tell. The only resaon I brought it up was because he was here and I wanted an answer. Apparently he had to leave for a while. Let's leave it alone until he's around. @vonthin It was you who brought up July yesterday and said, oh okay it's fine. You flip back and forth on the same people for the same points. You sheep onto popular votes continuously. I know you said you don't have motivation but at least put some effort into your game. If you want clarification go read my filter from page 3 on. I just did and after July started posting I saw no reason to lynch him. I said maybe as a third option behind pooftah and odin then back off that claim even. Still a little confused about the first part of this post about bringing up July again, can you link the post that I am clearly missing. As for the later part, I have been trying to put more effort recently so I'm not dead weight. Besides me sheeping on you with the Van thing I have been trying to not sheep onto popular votes like I was the first to bring up the case on OWB recently as he started to fly under the radar again, and then my questions with Storr I don't think was sheeping since I was already somewhat suspicious of him and wanted a better read on him so I started asking him questions. Still confused about me bring up you and July again cause I didn't after I said you were right and then said I think you might be town cause I was wrong about July and I don't think you are stupid and would kill the person who was on to you right away as that would put you in the main focus of everyone. | ||
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Vonthin
United States2864 Posts
On November 03 2013 08:30 JonnyLaw wrote: @Vonthin Okay Vonthin, explain to me how you agree with Vanesco's points. I'll give them to you since you don't want to commit any time to this game by your own admission. When in this game have I tried to blend in? It's strange that I notice the hosts have an error in the voting thread? I read it and saw cakeman listed twice. He was listed twice in the other voting post as well. It bothers me. His post goes on to say I think poofter's scummy, I made poor cases and defended cakeman. There's nothing else there. Tell me how that post summarizes your ideas because you're still saying nothing. The main points in Van post are: 1. You had really weak cases on the people who had major reads early on in the game. 2. Doesn't like how you defended Cake multiple times. Your case against Van was very week and seemed forced at the time imo. Your case against Odin I felt was very weak for his posts at the time too, the reasons you pushed for him was his posts were a mess and kept contradicting himself because he said he read the thread multiple times, then that he was a spammer but you were spamming too since you were arguing with him which was unnecessary. As for your case with Poofter, I agree with some of it. I don't like your early argument where you just link him with Van saying they are both scum but don't give any reason for Poofter. This is the reason you end up giving I really wanted to push poofter into posting and see what he said about my post on Van. That's why I included him at the end of the post. Poofter was always the guy I wanted pressure but I thought doing it by pressuring van could be more effective. He did respond. Then I made my case on him, which I stand by. I do not think I could get poofter lynched day 1 and still do not. I thouht that was a stupid reason. I do agree with the post about him http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102¤tpage=14#280 that was the reasons why I thought he could be scum early game. As for the Cakeman thing, yeah the voting thing was sorta a stretch but you defend cake so many times besides the vote correction. Your very first post about Poofter where he said he didn't like Cakes read on Storr, you don't really say what you think about Cake and try to change the subject to Storr so people talk less about Cake http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102¤tpage=14#262 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102¤tpage=23#443 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102¤tpage=21#420 First 2 posts were defending Cake and the third was another interaction with Cake that didn't seem that necessary. That is why Van made the possible connection between you and Cake, I didn't see why he had to defend him that much so thats why I agreed with Van. That is why I agreed with Vans post. Moving on can you link me the post where I said you were trying to blend in cause looking at my filter I do not see that anywhere. | ||
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Vonthin
United States2864 Posts
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
Yeah...wow. | ||
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
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cakemanofdoom
336 Posts
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cakemanofdoom
336 Posts
I mostly like the points on Storr, though that stuff about Balla/roleblocking seems to be a misread from Odin. I also don't like how Storr seems to want a lynch on nyx more for being bad than for being mafia. The comment about me/Jonny defending ourselves would make sense as a way to get us to be more helpful, except I'm not sure that was really necessary? Seems to be normal Storr guiding the town to seem helpful rather than finding scum to be helpful. Jonny doesn't actually seem to still be pushing Odin as scum, he was explaining his thoughts at previous vote. And Jonny's "hypocrisy" about rl stress seems really expected/normal from anyone. Jonny's anger/arguing with people actually looks decent to me, I can imagine a townie being frustrated like that and he generates discussion. I do agree that it's kinda funny how Jonny seems to be in a similar situation to Odin's day 1, but Jonny directly calls the attacks on him scum-lead. Not many points on Vonthin, I think they're valid enough. I've posted my thoughts on Vonthin already so I won't go into much detail on that. I need to reread Jonny's posts, I seem to gloss over angry talking so I haven't been examining his content that closely. And all that talk about roleblocking and claiming roleblocks just confused me so I hadn't read too closely into that earlier >.> Oh, and I'll update my thoughts on poofter soonish since I think he's a solid lynch. He and Storr are good lynches today, decently likely to flip scum IMO. | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13910 Posts
##Vote: nyxnyxnyx 1. latches on to vote me (after others r wexpressed concerns about myself) 2. says he will not change vote no matter what. (so basically if it comes down to lynching someone else, and 1 more vote is needed, he will not move no matter what.) 3. Has not contributed anything today besides his attack on myself 4. On November 02 2013 16:36 nyxnyxnyx wrote: i think it was something i read in the quicktopic about how we should think about why people say the things they do, rather than the things they actually say. you seem ok, not quite sure how to put it in words. He doesn't actually explain any of this. This is the "reason" for voting me. Which makes absolutely no sense. 5. He has no read on me the first cycle. the only convo we had was about myself calling him inactive, and he was saying he had improved since his last game and that it was "relative" I will not buy this poor excuses. For apparent lack of involvement in this game. As well as his sheeping reads. 6. Like to end with his first point on his attack against myself vote has popular traction and is likely to take off without dividing town opinion "Vote has popular traction" no one has voted me besides nyx. People have voiced their concerns about myself yes. Why does he bring it up as a reason for himself to vote me? I'll tell you, because he is sheeping. He also says "likely to take off without dividing town opinion" Why would this be a good thing? I'll tell you its not. Town having a different views on players is good. When flips happens we learn information. If everyone wanted to vote me off, and it happened. When i flip town what does that tell town? Nothing since everyone pushed on me. So now i ask the rest of town. Why would you want a player like this in your game? Why would you want this inactive sheeping player that adds nothing to town. This play feels like mafia to me, and I want to remove it. His filter from last game.. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430766&user=nyxnyxnyx Yes low post count However i feel his reads are actual reads, and not just sheeping. (at least one he states "I don't actually think istandwithmitt is mafia, although he is a bad poster." ) He has some passion in his defense. He shows concern about the set up and game ending too quickly. and at one of his lasts posts before dieing " i have no idea who the fuck is town or scum, just not me." he feels like a different player this game, still shrouded in "inactive/few posts" but the ones he does have vs last game read different to me. | ||
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
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cakemanofdoom
336 Posts
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StorrZerg
United States13910 Posts
Odin really only made 2 points on me. And the largest one, and most vocal point he was making was the RB crap, which he miss read. And the other yelling at me because i might change my vote, which i shot down. Cake you got nothing, your trying to frame me up right now and i don't like it. And btw, i'm sorry if im not answer everyones questions that are sent my way. A lot have been sent, and its easy to miss. | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13910 Posts
On November 04 2013 02:37 nyxnyxnyx wrote: ^ if anything this is solid evidence for StorrZerg being scum Is around when my post goes live still has not said anything helpful for town the kind of person scum is, Be around, don't contribute unless needed | ||
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cakemanofdoom
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