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also @cake
often its hard for me to judge between bad and scum. Since scum are trying to get people lynched on "things that are not there" Scum know who town are, and they have to try and convince town that person is scum. It is far easier to sheep, than come up with your own original reads, which you know are wrong. All town players are in the dark, we don't know who anyone is, and this is a game of lies and secrets. we all get bad reads sometimes, but that's life.
Example, look at july. Before the vote passed. He was a good lynch, he seemed to "fit the bill" and the "town" (yes i say town, since the Majority of town voted 9 out of 13) Thought july was a good lynch. Obviously my read on him, was wrong in regards to him being scum. However i still feel, he was playing bad town.
Also look to the vote, look as to why july started to take off. We had E00e, and Odin. Odin who i have said is a pretty good town read today, however losing points because he has miss read my posts and is making an attack on nothing (this is a bad town thing to do and it is also a scum thing to do.)
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On November 04 2013 02:44 cakemanofdoom wrote:
Wait.. that post came really fast after Storr's. So I'm guessing nyx is lurking more than he posts or something?
ding ding ding...
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Vote Count
JonnyLaw (1): Obzy, OdinOfPergo
onlywonderboy (2): Vonthin, Obzy
StorrZerg (1): nyxnyxnyx
Vonthin (1): Balla24
nyxnyxnyx (1): StorrZerg
Not voting (5): Tehpoofter, onlywonderboy, E00e, JonnyLaw, cakemanofdoom
Currently no one is set to be lynched. With 11 alive it takes 6 votes to lynch.
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Storr, just calling people sheep doesn't excuse you from suspicion.
But anyways, the main argument against you so far has been your uselessness, which you're only just starting to change by directly accusing nyx of being scum. There isn't that much room for original arguments when the target in question is just sitting around being not helpful.
Though I think I was the first/main one to say that your guiding the town rather than finding scum is scummy, since it should be much easier for scum to make some common-sense posts about town direction. And compared to other useless people, I think you're among the top because you've been making the most posts, meaning you're doing the most blending in and trying to seem helpful even when you weren't being very productive.
Anyways, now that you've actually called nyx scum I'll look into that and reevaluate you a bit.
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1. you say i latched on to a vote on you, yet you deny that the vote has popular traction. which is it?
2. you claim to not want to lynch me even though you really want to, then you proceed to make a case for it. why?
3. your 5th point is basically saying you want to lynch me for not being too active, even though you concede that i tend to not be active anyway, based on previous games.
4. "So now i ask the rest of town. Why would you want a player like this in your game? Why would you want this inactive sheeping player that adds nothing to town. This play feels like mafia to me, and I want to remove it." so basically, 'not scum, but please lynch this guy!!!'
5. "he feels like a different player this game..." cool, i'm not the only one to have feels
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On November 04 2013 02:58 cakemanofdoom wrote:
Storr, just calling people sheep doesn't excuse you from suspicion.
I never said it did... Why do you bring this up at all as an "attack" I say attack, because i don't know any other way to read it.
But anyways, the main argument against you so far has been your uselessness, which you're only just starting to change by directly accusing nyx of being scum. There isn't that much room for original arguments when the target in question is just sitting around being not helpful.
Useless as a "scum tell" seems pretty ambiguous in this game. Sorry if the only way to be "Useful" in mafia is to say "your scum" yeah i call bull on that too.
I assume the latter part is directed at me, for your inability to form your own opinions. I have posted a fair bit, and imo contributed far more than your making me out to be. So again, stop sheeping Cake. you just keep moving down and down.
Though I think I was the first/main one to say that your guiding the town rather than finding scum is scummy, since it should be much easier for scum to make some common-sense posts about town direction. And compared to other useless people, I think you're among the top because you've been making the most posts, meaning you're doing the most blending in and trying to seem helpful even when you weren't being very productive.
Sorry that im trying to actively contribute between doing other things?
Honestly pushing common sense is a null tell. I'd do it as town, Scum, SK, Blue. W/e I do it in RL and Video mafia as well. Can't tell you how many times i've scene people go off on the wrong thing, or lynch the wrong person because the common sense wasn't pointed out.
Yeah and the last part, your looking for something thats not even there. Not to mention that's a weak reason to lynch someone. Cake your basically saying "storr your trying hard, your not actually doing anything, there are other useless people not trying hard, but because your trying hard you should be lynched"
Do you see how stupid that sounds?
Anyways, now that you've actually called nyx scum I'll look into that and reevaluate you a bit.
Honestly i should be happy your re-looking me right? Well i can't say that makes me feel any worse or better, considering your falling lower and lower into scum zone.
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Overall, still can't tell if nyx is nooby or mafia.
I think nyx's lurking makes sense from a townie perspective since he gets shouted at for being bad just about every time he posts. Lurking is still bad.
I'm really not liking his lack of explanation whenever he's asked. (like why he thought I, E00e, Odin were scum in the first place)
On November 02 2013 14:36 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
right now i'm liking StorrZerg for scum.
few reasons:
1. vote has popular traction and is likely to take off without dividing town opinion
2. he's not as useful as he promised to be
3. if he's mafia, it'd be a good hit on a more experienced player. if he isn't, then ):
i'd like to hear some impassioned defense by StorrZerg if possible.
His post here isn't that bad, I think. Point one is probably based on the fact that he doesn't want to cause chaos and wants town to be united. Point two is kinda true, at least in that Storr wasn't being useful. Don't remember if there were a lot of promises to improve. Point three, yeah it's good to kill an experienced player if he's mafia. Sounds like some attempt at finding scum, even if he isn't good enough to find mafia without them being pointed out to him first.
I'm uncertain about lynching him, since he hasn't been the only one who hasn't made good posts (first to come to mind is July).
As for you Storr... the nyx case seems to be based purely on the bad posts he made against you. Sensible thing to do, but it doesn't change the fact that just about the only people you've talked about are the people you were directly asked about or the people who've made posts about you. Plus imo it took way too long to prod you into finding scum.
Basically, the nyx post doesn't do that much to change my opinion of you (though if you're wondering, it's improved). Not sure what you can do right now to completely clear yourself in my eyes. Well, I've said about everything I wanted about you. I'm happy with a lynch on you today, but if you avoid a lynch and continue being helpful I might seriously revise my thoughts on you.
Finally finished reading filters/typing that out, I'll get to the posts made since my last one.
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On November 04 2013 03:06 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
1. you say i latched on to a vote on you, yet you deny that the vote has popular traction. which is it?
I say you latch, because you say so yourself that you think the vote has popular traction. That is you latching on. I deny the vote has traction, because no one else has slapped their vote down. Many others are pushing more than one person as well. You are not.
2. you claim to not want to lynch me even though you really want to, then you proceed to make a case for it. why?
Read other filters, did not find anyone better to lynch over you. So now i want you lynched.
3. your 5th point is basically saying you want to lynch me for not being too active, even though you concede that i tend to not be active anyway, based on previous games.
Sure, but i also explain why i think your play this game is different than your last game.
4. "So now i ask the rest of town. Why would you want a player like this in your game? Why would you want this inactive sheeping player that adds nothing to town. This play feels like mafia to me, and I want to remove it." so basically, 'not scum, but please lynch this guy!!!'
No basically your playing like scum, so i want you gone.
5. "he feels like a different player this game..." cool, i'm not the only one to have feels
Yeah, your last game was town, you feel different, i am reading you as playing differently, i am reading you as being scumy and trying to sheep your self this day.
You literally have done nothing this day besides throw out sheeping accusations on myself.
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dat b sum fine circular logic
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On November 04 2013 03:25 cakemanofdoom wrote:
As for you Storr... the nyx case seems to be based purely on the bad posts he made against you. Sensible thing to do, but it doesn't change the fact that just about the only people you've talked about are the people you were directly asked about or the people who've made posts about you. Plus imo it took way too long to prod you into finding scum.
Basically, the nyx post doesn't do that much to change my opinion of you (though if you're wondering, it's improved). Not sure what you can do right now to completely clear yourself in my eyes. Well, I've said about everything I wanted about you. I'm happy with a lynch on you today, but if you avoid a lynch and continue being helpful I might seriously revise my thoughts on you.
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Bad pints against myself, and other scummy behavior as well yes.
You realize nearly everyone has asked me to say something, or have said something about me... A bad point your bringing up.
"Took to long" Sorry if my approach to the game is different than yours.... on the note of "taking to long" Yeah lets just disregard half the town now because they have been inactive on Halloween. People live outside of this game cake, and im not one that usually cares to bring my RL into this game. I have reasons for being "inactive" and sometimes other people have pointed out why i am "inactive" How about you stop looking at arbitrary crap that has nothing to do with scum or town. I prefer to post, and do things in the game, rather than explain my inactivity from outside events.
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On November 04 2013 03:32 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
dat b sum fine circular logic
you still got over 5 hours today to actually post something...
and since the post is quite long, i have no idea what your referring to.
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I'm here the rest of today to talk about this game (might be doing league or something else in the meantime) But i am here to be active in this game, and to make sure we get a lynch today.
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You haven't been inactive, you've been posting stuff... that's easy for scum to fake. Also, I don't buy that it's taken you almost five days since the game started to begin finding someone to accuse, even after all that prodding.
Your logic's starting to make sense to me, something still feels off though. I'll need more time to think over if it's my fallacy or yours. I read and think too slow...
nyx, please explain yourself when you post. One-liners with no explanation still aren't helpful.
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It seemed that you were at least partially defending yourself by calling your attackers sheep - as in, because they weren't the first to attack you their points are worth less. As long as we're clear that that isn't the case, we're good. Feel free to call others scummier for sheeping, but don't put down logic against just for that. tbh I think I'd follow your posts easier if you divided them into clear "defend yourself" and "attack scum" sections.
Still thinking about your other points...
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please use peoples names in your post cake. It can be difficult to understand who you are talking about when you don't
as for making my posts easier to read with defense and attack, i can try to do that in the future..
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On November 04 2013 02:54 LoneMeow wrote:
JonnyLaw (1): Obzy, OdinOfPergo
onlywonderboy (2): Vonthin, Obzy
StorrZerg (1): nyxnyxnyx
Vonthin (1): Balla24
nyxnyxnyx (1): StorrZerg
Not voting (5): Tehpoofter, onlywonderboy, E00e, JonnyLaw, cakemanofdoom
So we need 6 to lynch, closest being OWB. and 4 others with 1 vote including myself.
We have 5 who have not put down there vote. I suggest they not put their vote down on someone new, unless you have a very very good case i doubt we will be able to get enough people to vote that person. It is also very likely we will not get enough votes to put on anyone today. I want a lynch to happen, and i have said i believe nyxnyxnyx is the best lynch today, and that i would lynch OWB.
I really urge people to start putting down there votes sooner rather than latter.
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I think both nyx and OWB are silly lynches... they're both similar to july (pre-july-defense) that I can't get a full read on them... their plays are erratic and I can't see a reasoning for them. They aren't pushing anyone hard.
If it ends up being one of them I would rather go with OWB as a feeling over any substance, but I think they are both bad lynches. Would much rather lynch Vonthin/Poofter (I put these two together since I see them on a similar level almost), Storr and finally Jonnylaw as my last lynch target.
Would appreciate it if everybody put their votes down though... there's only like 5 hours or so left and half of us haven't voted...
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Addressing Storr:
On November 04 2013 03:20 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +
But anyways, the main argument against you so far has been your uselessness, which you're only just starting to change by directly accusing nyx of being scum. There isn't that much room for original arguments when the target in question is just sitting around being not helpful.
Useless as a "scum tell" seems pretty ambiguous in this game. Sorry if the only way to be "Useful" in mafia is to say "your scum" yeah i call bull on that too. I assume the latter part is directed at me, for your inability to form your own opinions. I have posted a fair bit, and imo contributed far more than your making me out to be. So again, stop sheeping Cake. you just keep moving down and down.
I was kinda buying this for a while, but I can't say I agree with this much in the end. Yeah, you can do other things in mafia that are helpful, but nothing's on the same level as finding scum and accusing them imo. Town wins by killing the mafia.
Show nested quote +
Though I think I was the first/main one to say that your guiding the town rather than finding scum is scummy, since it should be much easier for scum to make some common-sense posts about town direction. And compared to other useless people, I think you're among the top because you've been making the most posts, meaning you're doing the most blending in and trying to seem helpful even when you weren't being very productive.
Sorry that im trying to actively contribute between doing other things? Honestly pushing common sense is a null tell. I'd do it as town, Scum, SK, Blue. W/e I do it in RL and Video mafia as well. Can't tell you how many times i've scene people go off on the wrong thing, or lynch the wrong person because the common sense wasn't pointed out.
Yup, you'd push your common sense as any alignment. So why not do something towny if you're town? I don't think you were so busy as to be unable to be town for so long after the game started, especially if you were able to post your common sense. Even Odin was able to form some opinions on people, and his rl looks like a total mess.
Yeah and the last part, your looking for something thats not even there. Not to mention that's a weak reason to lynch someone. Cake your basically saying "storr your trying hard, your not actually doing anything, there are other useless people not trying hard, but because your trying hard you should be lynched"
Do you see how stupid that sounds?
No, after some more thought, I don't think it's stupid after all. Simply not trying hard doesn't mean much in a newbie game when we have several people being lazy/weak posters. Trying hard to fake contribute is scummy.
Now, we can debate over whether or not you were fake contributing or actually contributing. I maintain that almost all your contributions throughout the game were "fake" and designed to make yourself look good rather than help town win. I'm not sure I can go into this part more than I already have.
Too many of your posts had gone by without you doing the most important thing: catch and push lynches on scum. Meanwhile, those posts would have been really easy for scum to make to look good; you yourself say that you'd make those posts regardless of alignment. You ended up following town on July day one, before going back to your common sense posts.
Now, you're pushing nyx. I had thought he was too nooby to tell if he's scum or just noob town. I'll admit, with his recent posts his lack of explanation is really grating on me. Regardless of his alignment I want more, though I'd imagine the mafia qt would shout at him to stop making posts lacking in reason? I am getting more comfortable with a lynch on him, though I think there's still too decent a chance that he's just being nooby. I like that you push him, though, and that you've stated a solid opinion now.
If you live, I hope you continue with that.
That said, ##Vote: StorrZerg
I'm not particularly inclined to give you more chances right now. I thought you were a decent lynch yesterday, but I decided to give you more chances to contribute since you seemed busy. Since then, though, you've only counter-attacked people who pushed you first. I still don't see much initiative to try and find mafia.
Oh, and to town for consolidation purposes: I'm also happy with a lynch on poofter. My argument with Storr kept me from updating my thoughts on him, though I think most of my old points still stand. owb and vonthin seemed to have done the most blending in out of people who haven't contributed much, so I think they're decent lynches.
I'm opposed to lynching nyx, as I don't understand him well enough imo. E00e seems to be posting the best out of the quiet-ish people, though I'll look more carefully into him if needed. Odin seems like a mostly solid poster and Balla's a very solid poster, definitely don't wanna lynch either today. Haven't had a chance to take a close look at Jonny, but he just seems frustrated at town for not helping him find scum.
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k let me read and tear up your post cake...
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On November 04 2013 04:43 Balla24 wrote:
I think both nyx and OWB are silly lynches... they're both similar to july (pre-july-defense) that I can't get a full read on them... their plays are erratic and I can't see a reasoning for them. They aren't pushing anyone hard.
If it ends up being one of them I would rather go with OWB as a feeling over any substance, but I think they are both bad lynches. Would much rather lynch Vonthin/Poofter (I put these two together since I see them on a similar level almost), Storr and finally Jonnylaw as my last lynch target.
Would appreciate it if everybody put their votes down though... there's only like 5 hours or so left and half of us haven't voted...
instead of saying silly lynches. Why don't you post a defense for them? or explain why they are town. On the note that you cant' get a full read on them, do you think you would be able to get a full read on them if they continue with how they are playing?
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