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On October 30 2013 01:32 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 01:31 Seuss wrote:On October 30 2013 01:24 marvellosity wrote:
Seuss, I want to know who you want to lynch sooner rather than later. You're flapping around. I'd like to lynch Wave, but I was holding on to my vote because I didn't want to hop on the train when he hasn't had the chance to defend himself. The case against him is pretty strong. Given that we collectively believe Clarity and OOHCHILD to be bad-town, my next choice would be [UoN]Sentinel. The shenanigans with his power don't sit well with me, and Pandain looks more like he's playing poorly than playing scum. Didn't stop you from "pressuring" OOHCHILD did it? Why the difference?
The difference being that I was the third vote on OOHCHILD, which put him in actual range to get lynched. WaveofShadow is set to be lynched with or without my vote at the moment. In both cases I'm using my vote as a tool, in the first case I was sending a message to OOHCHILD and in the second I sent a message to you (specifically, I think it's silly to use Wave's lack of a defense against him when he clearly hasn't been back to the thread since he put his pressure vote on OOHCHILD).
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On October 30 2013 01:37 Promethelax wrote:
No one cares who you would lynch unless you are going to make a case and convince us.
You should care because those are the people who I would vote for.
If you are interesting in getting someone lynched, you should care.
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On October 30 2013 01:38 OOHCHILD wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 01:37 Promethelax wrote:
No one cares who you would lynch unless you are going to make a case and convince us. You should care because those are the people who I would vote for. If you are interesting in getting someone lynched, you should care.
The thing is I don't need your vote to secure a lynch. Which was my point. Unless you want to convince us to switch targets no one cares what you have to say.
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WoS, I dont see the point of you using your power.
Explain.
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Prome read case on SnB pls.
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On October 30 2013 01:37 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 01:36 OOHCHILD wrote:
Popping in to say I hate the WoS lynch. It feels like the only reason why are lynching him is because he isn't here.
I'm letting Pandain go.
Im letting Marv go (don't see what is so town about him though)
I would lynch Seuss, HotCottonCandy, or Sentinel. Why? You seemed kinda sure on him.
I was partially posturing on how hard I was pushing him. The meta read provided by Strongandbig and a complete lack of presence in the thread today are giving me doubt.
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On October 30 2013 01:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
My earlier power use on Seuss was fake. Originally I had him as my strongest townread based on what I know of him from my interaction with him in my newbie game, and he was the only one I felt confident enough of throwing his vote in a good spot to make my power at least semi-useful, but I did want to gauge town reaction to power use first.
Could you please explain your Seuss read?
Could you also please explain how you went from not giving me a townread to giving me two votes when I'm apparently lynching a townie (you)?
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I read it and found it unconvincing. Remember SnB's play in CC?
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On October 30 2013 01:38 Promethelax wrote:
Wave, respond to my case
Your case is horseshit, and like many who play this game, you refuse to see any townie motivation behind anything I did, or simply that I am telling the truth throughout all of points you made.
i don't care that you don't like my first post. It's true. Look at my role and tell me that's not boring as shit and super pro-town.
I don't care that you don't like me bringing up 3P. It doesn't make me scum.
I don't even understand how you think i didn't follow up on you or that my case was bad in the slightest.
You are taking things against me and spinning them to fit your view of me as scum really late in the day.
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here's the thing i notice about wos's filter. there's a lot of talking about other people talking about himself.
+ Show Spoiler +On October 28 2013 14:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
Just popped in to say ##Paranoia I don't like your play this game either Prom.
Your first post yelling at everybody not to be powering everybody up....I completely agree with.
I just wouldn't have expected it to come from you.
You take it a step further though---you say not only is powering other people up dumb, but you say it's policy lynchable.
Have you pursued this course of action in your questioning of all of the people who have done so thus far?
And THEN, not 4 posts later, you explain to everybody how to power you up.
This reminds me of the very first ever game I played with you Prom, LX, in which you created some horseshit RNG talk early 'just to get discussion started' and you were promptly lynched for it---and flipped red.
So Prome, your reads list at the start of the game. All I remember is you saying you'd lynch me based on my entry to the thread. I don't see you pursuing your policy lynches, your apparent scumreads or your 'discussion.' Funny part is' you never actually call me scum, you just say you'd lynch me based on me entering the thread and leaving, and even THEN you don't pursue it, and have not mentioned me even once since then.
Your activity is pretty fantastic and all, and I get that you think Pandain tryharding is also pretty fantastic, but that don't mean shit imo. It's funny though, you say you'd rather base your read of Pandain off of what you get from him this game only and ignore his past meta, but you're ok to base your weak early read of me on meta even though you haven't played a game with me in ages?
You are incredibly inconsistent just from your first few posts and I don't like it. I don't like it one bit sir.
Care to discuss?
##Vote: Promethelax
On October 28 2013 14:24 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 14:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 28 2013 14:16 Promethelax wrote:
Oats there is no case.
WoS had two points,
1) the powering thing, already addressed.
2) meta on him but not pandain, I've played with WoS before but not pandain.
Oh look, entire case refuted. Yeah, no Prome. First, the section Oats outlined. Second, I know how you play. You fucking meta the absolute fuck out of everybody in most games. Why are you halting at Pandain now? You say I 'liked' town? When I had played with you last that was all I had played. Period. If anything I remember bitching about still not having rolled scum yet. Third, the policy lynch discussion---who did you have in mind in your first post when you discussed people randomly powering people up without reasoning? And just like Palmar in Thug Life I will point out: you are basing a meta read of me on something that is months old and you are missing out on half my mafia career with that read. That seems like a terrible meta read Prome. Are you terrible? Palmar wasn't terrible when I called him out for that. He was scum. On October 28 2013 14:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 14:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
Man all the time this happens to me, I jump on a townie being scummy to me and scum jumps right on after.
Not that Prome is town and WoS is scum, just that WoS is way more likely to be scum if Prome is town. Do you think as scum I would be likely to attack a town Prom as my primary mislynch target? Prom is there a reason you don't feel like talking to me and instead feel the need to graze over my questions with Oats instead? Am I bothering you? On October 28 2013 22:57 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 22:47 Clarity_nl wrote:
So, it's cool that you both thought yuck at the same time apparently, but then don't just ignore me and talk to eachother, explain. Your case to me seems based on basically nothing. Oats clearly posted his thing directly after my post not as a reply to it, and as far as correcting what he viewed as inconsistencies, that could theoretically be seen as towny since poking holes in a case on your scumread will either dismantle it or make it stronger---becoming something you can use. I don't personally believe it is alignment indicative but whatever. I didn't get a scumvibe from Oats for not specifically taking the points I used and running with them because he was working on his own stuff and looked like he was actually trying to figure out what was useful or not from my case. On October 28 2013 23:10 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 23:01 Promethelax wrote:
marv, that is kind of a subtle read. Not super subtle but like not a read I'd expect a newer player to have.
As soon as I typed this I realized WoS isn't actually all that new anymore, carry on.
Clarity. Explain what oats is doing here that is out of character for him. Unless he started making sense and not doing stupid shit/changing his mind all the time this is totally in line with his meta AND that meta applies to both alignments so even if he wasn't doing that (which he is) it wouldn't be alignment indicative. I'd get you the venn diagram but I think you get my point. So despite me harping on you for your meta read of me, you just realized this? Marv I actually had a townread on someone else this game for something very similar but that was very late last night and I can't remember who it was exactly. Not the arrogance but the quizzing and confidence that people 'see him as town and here's why.' I'll try to look back and figure out where it was I came up with that. Essentially your read to me makes sense, and I'm glad it is for reasons that didn't occur to me/are not related to my case since that gives me more to think about. I'm always a little bit wary of giving experienced players townreads based on mafia not being so upfront and arrogant though because there are definitely people very capable of that kind of play (ie Pandain). I guess in Prome's case it's mroe the mindset behind that type of play and his posting? I'll have a closer look. On October 28 2013 08:28 WaveofShadow wrote:I find the fact that Pandain even gets a slight scumread from my opening post hilarious. He's played games with me and should know almost every single opening post of mine is along the lines of what I rolled and I often whine about something, often what I rolled.  To me Pandain it looks more like YOU are the one who is trying to contribute something to look good---I don't find anything you picked out regarding me OR Rayn scum-indicative in any way, and as such I find your posting incredibly weak thus far. Oh and I suppose I should have mentioned this before the game started but considering my not-so-great play and the embarrassing length of my filter in Thug, I plan on keeping things way more concise than usual. I do not plan to be in the top few posters lengthwise this game. Make of that what you will. Anyway I'm tempted to fuck off until whatever Sentinel did resolves but I suppose that wouldn't be very helpful. Guess we'll see.
generally i don't like this, not one bit. it's like, scum are much more likely to do that kind of thing than town, because they care much more about deflecting small amounts of suspicion from them. note that none of these early things that wos is responding to amount to any serious pressure, any serious chance of him getting lynched, but he still attacks the people who attack him.
Prome, as for your case -
(1) his soft claim - well, i guess it's getting towards 'later in the day' when he said he would use his post. but if we're talking about claims i think sent's is way worse than his.
(2) not being here post - meh. i've done that as town, no reason why someone else cant.
(3) 9 minutes. a little suspicious? but i could easily see him having gotten three or four of your filters from the database, scrolled through looking for big cases, and coming up empty in that amount of time. also if he actually knew it was bs, why say that as scum?
(4) the 3p thing. yeah it's weird. is it scummy? Only if scum know there's a third party in the game that town doesn't know about, and we have no evidence that that's the case.
i actually like rayn's case a lot better than yours, it's similar to the argument i made above about wave being self-focused, plus rayn's pretty right that town wave just has more backbone than in this game.
overall i think wave is probably a good lynch choice today but i don't really agree with your case's reasoning for that.
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Sorry, dickmove analysis re: me, my reading fail. You don't think I'd use it as mafia, with you in the game and aware I'd not be using it though?? Seuss explanation would be nice.
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On October 30 2013 01:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
WoS, I dont see the point of you using your power.
Explain.
Dunno, cause if somehow I don't get lynched at least this'll confirm my role to you guys if at the very least, if you somehow believe there could be a mafia double-vote creator.
The extra vote won't show up until the final post of the day I believe.
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On October 30 2013 01:43 marvellosity wrote:
Sorry, dickmove analysis re: me, my reading fail. You don't think I'd use it as mafia, with you in the game and aware I'd not be using it though?? Seuss explanation would be nice.
I do think you are capable of using it as mafia, but I think as mafia, knowing I am in the game you'd probably specifically label it as such or make reference to me somehow. You used it rather offhandedly which makes me feel that it was genuine.
As far as Seuss, I REALLY don't like his play now. When i originally faked my role use on him i figured he'd come back with strong analysis and play like he did in his newbie and would prove himself a good choice for my power, but he has done basically the opposite: sheeping town sentiment, no reads, and no strong posts one way or another.
It may be possible that Seuss is scum atm but I do not feel comfortable pushing anything with the limited time that I have, and would have to read closer which i frankly do not have time for especially if I need to be defending myself.
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So WoS how is a double vote 'super pro town' and 'boring'?
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On October 30 2013 01:47 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 01:43 marvellosity wrote:
Sorry, dickmove analysis re: me, my reading fail. You don't think I'd use it as mafia, with you in the game and aware I'd not be using it though?? Seuss explanation would be nice. I do think you are capable of using it as mafia, but I think as mafia, knowing I am in the game you'd probably specifically label it as such or make reference to me somehow. You used it rather offhandedly which makes me feel that it was genuine. As far as Seuss, I REALLY don't like his play now. When i originally faked my role use on him i figured he'd come back with strong analysis and play like he did in his newbie and would prove himself a good choice for my power, but he has done basically the opposite: sheeping town sentiment, no reads, and no strong posts one way or another. It may be possible that Seuss is scum atm but I do not feel comfortable pushing anything with the limited time that I have, and would have to read closer which i frankly do not have time for especially if I need to be defending myself.
I literally do not want you to answer rayn or Prome's case, I want you to push who you think is the best lynch.
That's the most important thing. You can defend cases if you have time AFTER you've pushed whatever you think the right lynch is.
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On October 30 2013 01:47 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 01:43 marvellosity wrote:
Sorry, dickmove analysis re: me, my reading fail. You don't think I'd use it as mafia, with you in the game and aware I'd not be using it though?? Seuss explanation would be nice. I do think you are capable of using it as mafia, but I think as mafia, knowing I am in the game you'd probably specifically label it as such or make reference to me somehow. You used it rather offhandedly which makes me feel that it was genuine. As far as Seuss, I REALLY don't like his play now. When i originally faked my role use on him i figured he'd come back with strong analysis and play like he did in his newbie and would prove himself a good choice for my power, but he has done basically the opposite: sheeping town sentiment, no reads, and no strong posts one way or another. It may be possible that Seuss is scum atm but I do not feel comfortable pushing anything with the limited time that I have, and would have to read closer which i frankly do not have time for especially if I need to be defending myself.
find scum > defend self, fool
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And that explanation about the dickmove analysis is way better than I would have imagined :/ That does actually justify your read on me, annoyingly ^_^
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On October 30 2013 01:43 strongandbig wrote:here's the thing i notice about wos's filter. there's a lot of talking about other people talking about himself. + Show Spoiler +On October 28 2013 14:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
Just popped in to say ##Paranoia I don't like your play this game either Prom.
Your first post yelling at everybody not to be powering everybody up....I completely agree with.
I just wouldn't have expected it to come from you.
You take it a step further though---you say not only is powering other people up dumb, but you say it's policy lynchable.
Have you pursued this course of action in your questioning of all of the people who have done so thus far?
And THEN, not 4 posts later, you explain to everybody how to power you up.
This reminds me of the very first ever game I played with you Prom, LX, in which you created some horseshit RNG talk early 'just to get discussion started' and you were promptly lynched for it---and flipped red.
So Prome, your reads list at the start of the game. All I remember is you saying you'd lynch me based on my entry to the thread. I don't see you pursuing your policy lynches, your apparent scumreads or your 'discussion.' Funny part is' you never actually call me scum, you just say you'd lynch me based on me entering the thread and leaving, and even THEN you don't pursue it, and have not mentioned me even once since then.
Your activity is pretty fantastic and all, and I get that you think Pandain tryharding is also pretty fantastic, but that don't mean shit imo. It's funny though, you say you'd rather base your read of Pandain off of what you get from him this game only and ignore his past meta, but you're ok to base your weak early read of me on meta even though you haven't played a game with me in ages?
You are incredibly inconsistent just from your first few posts and I don't like it. I don't like it one bit sir.
Care to discuss?
##Vote: Promethelax
On October 28 2013 14:24 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 14:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 28 2013 14:16 Promethelax wrote:
Oats there is no case.
WoS had two points,
1) the powering thing, already addressed.
2) meta on him but not pandain, I've played with WoS before but not pandain.
Oh look, entire case refuted. Yeah, no Prome. First, the section Oats outlined. Second, I know how you play. You fucking meta the absolute fuck out of everybody in most games. Why are you halting at Pandain now? You say I 'liked' town? When I had played with you last that was all I had played. Period. If anything I remember bitching about still not having rolled scum yet. Third, the policy lynch discussion---who did you have in mind in your first post when you discussed people randomly powering people up without reasoning? And just like Palmar in Thug Life I will point out: you are basing a meta read of me on something that is months old and you are missing out on half my mafia career with that read. That seems like a terrible meta read Prome. Are you terrible? Palmar wasn't terrible when I called him out for that. He was scum. On October 28 2013 14:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 14:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
Man all the time this happens to me, I jump on a townie being scummy to me and scum jumps right on after.
Not that Prome is town and WoS is scum, just that WoS is way more likely to be scum if Prome is town. Do you think as scum I would be likely to attack a town Prom as my primary mislynch target? Prom is there a reason you don't feel like talking to me and instead feel the need to graze over my questions with Oats instead? Am I bothering you? On October 28 2013 22:57 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 22:47 Clarity_nl wrote:
So, it's cool that you both thought yuck at the same time apparently, but then don't just ignore me and talk to eachother, explain. Your case to me seems based on basically nothing. Oats clearly posted his thing directly after my post not as a reply to it, and as far as correcting what he viewed as inconsistencies, that could theoretically be seen as towny since poking holes in a case on your scumread will either dismantle it or make it stronger---becoming something you can use. I don't personally believe it is alignment indicative but whatever. I didn't get a scumvibe from Oats for not specifically taking the points I used and running with them because he was working on his own stuff and looked like he was actually trying to figure out what was useful or not from my case. On October 28 2013 23:10 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 23:01 Promethelax wrote:
marv, that is kind of a subtle read. Not super subtle but like not a read I'd expect a newer player to have.
As soon as I typed this I realized WoS isn't actually all that new anymore, carry on.
Clarity. Explain what oats is doing here that is out of character for him. Unless he started making sense and not doing stupid shit/changing his mind all the time this is totally in line with his meta AND that meta applies to both alignments so even if he wasn't doing that (which he is) it wouldn't be alignment indicative. I'd get you the venn diagram but I think you get my point. So despite me harping on you for your meta read of me, you just realized this? Marv I actually had a townread on someone else this game for something very similar but that was very late last night and I can't remember who it was exactly. Not the arrogance but the quizzing and confidence that people 'see him as town and here's why.' I'll try to look back and figure out where it was I came up with that. Essentially your read to me makes sense, and I'm glad it is for reasons that didn't occur to me/are not related to my case since that gives me more to think about. I'm always a little bit wary of giving experienced players townreads based on mafia not being so upfront and arrogant though because there are definitely people very capable of that kind of play (ie Pandain). I guess in Prome's case it's mroe the mindset behind that type of play and his posting? I'll have a closer look. On October 28 2013 08:28 WaveofShadow wrote:I find the fact that Pandain even gets a slight scumread from my opening post hilarious. He's played games with me and should know almost every single opening post of mine is along the lines of what I rolled and I often whine about something, often what I rolled. To me Pandain it looks more like YOU are the one who is trying to contribute something to look good---I don't find anything you picked out regarding me OR Rayn scum-indicative in any way, and as such I find your posting incredibly weak thus far. Oh and I suppose I should have mentioned this before the game started but considering my not-so-great play and the embarrassing length of my filter in Thug, I plan on keeping things way more concise than usual. I do not plan to be in the top few posters lengthwise this game. Make of that what you will. Anyway I'm tempted to fuck off until whatever Sentinel did resolves but I suppose that wouldn't be very helpful. Guess we'll see. generally i don't like this, not one bit. it's like, scum are much more likely to do that kind of thing than town, because they care much more about deflecting small amounts of suspicion from them. note that none of these early things that wos is responding to amount to any serious pressure, any serious chance of him getting lynched, but he still attacks the people who attack him. Prome, as for your case - (1) his soft claim - well, i guess it's getting towards 'later in the day' when he said he would use his post. but if we're talking about claims i think sent's is way worse than his. (2) not being here post - meh. i've done that as town, no reason why someone else cant. (3) 9 minutes. a little suspicious? but i could easily see him having gotten three or four of your filters from the database, scrolled through looking for big cases, and coming up empty in that amount of time. also if he actually knew it was bs, why say that as scum? (4) the 3p thing. yeah it's weird. is it scummy? Only if scum know there's a third party in the game that town doesn't know about, and we have no evidence that that's the case. i actually like rayn's case a lot better than yours, it's similar to the argument i made above about wave being self-focused, plus rayn's pretty right that town wave just has more backbone than in this game. overall i think wave is probably a good lynch choice today but i don't really agree with your case's reasoning for that.
So your point is that Rayn's case makes the most sense and I am playing with no backbone?
I have to try and read it (don't know if I have time---I haven't even fuckign eaten lunch and I only have like 40 min left) but again, I would think if I were too afraid of people as mafia i wouldn't have attacked Prome so early and for so long. And ask marv for a second, in my only mafia game EVER, was I afraid to push cases or post whenever I could? Backbone and confidence has absolutely ZERO to do with my alignment whatsoever.
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Let's CFD Seuss or HotCottonCandy.
I'm voting for Seuss now because more people have expressed interest in lynching him.
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