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On October 30 2013 00:46 marvellosity wrote:
rayn, your sense of timing is excellent. I'm going to go along with that.
##Vote: WaveofShadow
Problem for me atm is that if I accept OOH and Clarity aren't mafia, then some of my reads elsewhere are kinda off.
Well OOH could be mafia, but that's for another day. I think he is from the latest Champs game because of his unwillingness of participating fully on D1 and his use of "clear" instead of "defend". These guys who play werevolf clear people instead of defending.
I am not confident on him being scum, too few info.
Also Pandain lynch is bad. If neither of me and Vayne thinks he is scum he probably hasn't done anything scummy. If you want a reference look at Thug life. When Noir ended me and Vayne instantly go "Pandain is 100% scum". If he is scum he is able to fake his towniness until some point but that will fall apart. Not a good lynch for today.
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I can get behind that, my lynch isn't going anywhere =/
##Unvote
##vote Waveofshadow
when's deadline tho?
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On October 30 2013 00:50 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 00:50 Seuss wrote:
My one big qualm with rayn's argument is that he overthinks Wave's OOHCHILD vote. There were several of us on that train, and the primary reason behind it was policy/pressure. I don't think any of us expected to keep our votes there, up until OOHCHILD actually started posting up a storm. Yeah, but everyone else has done something since. You're actually supporting the argument here :/
That's basically the point. He just dropped the vote there when he had argued about other stuff (mainly me and Koshi connections) just before.
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rayn what does Koshi forgetting Pandain mean?
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If Wave had come back to the thread today and kept his vote on OOHCHILD I'd accept the "but he hasn't done anything since" argument more readily, but when he last left the thread everyone was still on the "pressure OOHCHILD" train.
If it gets closer to lynch time and he's still AWOL then I'll feel better about that specific point.
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Also OOHCHILD could you even tell if you are from the Championship game or not?
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On October 30 2013 00:52 marvellosity wrote:
rayn what does Koshi forgetting Pandain mean?
means either him or sentinel is the scum charger if that wasn't already obvious. Sucks for them that the other 3 are pretty clearly town unless Oats is a scum god now
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should i update koshi? we've collectively powered up everyone else who claimed an in-game power and my faith in TL towns is low enough that I think town probably gets a better deal from powering up everyone than from powering up everyone but one person.
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On October 30 2013 00:52 marvellosity wrote:
rayn what does Koshi forgetting Pandain mean?
I dunno. I am not interested in Koshi at the moment because his reads post and the "sheep marv and rayn + some people have some qualities" post were pure town Koshi. Probably has something to do with him listening to us and looking into people we are.
Maybe Koshi can explain?
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also something I didn't see from clarity - is he going to start playing more later in the game or is this all we're getting out of him? cause if he's not going to commit to ever playing differently then he really needs to replace out or get lynched tomorrow, we just can't allow someone who's playing like that to live to LYLO. but i'm okay with not lynching him today.
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##Day 1 ##Vote ##Count
raynpelikoneet (0): Pandain
Promethelax (0): WaveofShadow
Pandain (1): raynpelikoneet, Oatsmaster, OOHCHILD
[UoN]Sentinel (0): HotCottonCandy, marvellosity, Promethelax
Clarity_nl (2): marvellosity, Pandain, raynpelikoneet, Oatsmaster, marvellosity, Promethelax, Koshi, Seuss
OOHCHILD (4): Promethelax, [UoN]Sentinel, Seuss, WaveofShadow, Clarity_nl, marvellosity, Oatsmaster
WaveOfShadow (4): raynpelikoneet, Koshi, marvellosity, HotCottonCandy
Not voting (2): strongandbig, Seuss
Current, OOHCHILD is set to be ##lynched!
The ##lynch will happen in ## at ##21:00 GMT (+00:00).
Please let us know if there are ##errors.
Voting Thread
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On October 30 2013 00:54 strongandbig wrote:
should i update koshi? we've collectively powered up everyone else who claimed an in-game power and my faith in TL towns is low enough that I think town probably gets a better deal from powering up everyone than from powering up everyone but one person.
Koshi is particularly obsessed with having his power activated. From my perspective Oatsmaster and marvellosity earned theirs by spending the day primarily working to help the town, and only really pushing for powers later.
It may be that Koshi is just a very excited/excitable townie who really likes his power, but I prefer to remain cautious.
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Lol SnB just claimed scum.
Can we lynch SnB guys?
##unvote
##vote SnB
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Im not all that confident in this WoS read by rayn. Yeah ok just read his filter, I honestly do not see anything too disturbing from it. Even though i did say earlier that scum like to piggyback my scumreads for whatever reason. I just dont think WoS is scum.
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On October 30 2013 00:52 marvellosity wrote:
rayn what does Koshi forgetting Pandain mean?
Yeah I don't know. I just forgot him for a second. also I might be connecting Pandain and rayn to much.
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Okay so I walked around the block and kicked puppies so I feel a little better now. Reread everything from page fifty and went into some filters.
Suess you should ##Yolo Promethelax
Although I hope OOH eats a bullet I don't think he is a particularly good lynch, he has been attacking me and marv and being a petulant dick hole which, in general, is a townie trait. Attacking people who are general town reads and have any modicum of sway with the town for no reason (or even worse bad reasons) is not a great strategy as scum. My qualm with that is that OOOH wants us to lynch Pandain who, if he is town, is the perfect kind of target to attack if you are scum; along with that the hilarious excuses which he tried to clear clarity with seemed pretty awful.
I decided to look back at SnB and WoS as they are the people I thought should be looked at who haven't been hot topics recently.
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I liked the few things he has contributed. His non apologetic tone really did it for me during his return to thread. My only issue with him (besides activity) is honestly that he ##Yolo'd wrong though I assume it was a mistake as even I didn't catch it until I went through the thread to find all the ##yolos
He also argued with my read on marv which I liked because if he was scum he would want to either blend with my reads (as he did in CC) or really fight them. Instead he argued about whether it would be possible to read marv as early as I claimed to have done. He seemed to be thinking about other peoples' reads as wella s his own. I liked that
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On October 28 2013 06:51 WaveofShadow wrote:Hai guise. I miss being mafia (or even 3P).  My power is boring and semi-useless. I'll use it on somebody later in the day I thinks. It's super pro-town. Be back in a couple hours-ish.
I've been over this post a half dozen times now and I don't get it. A day activated power which is super pro town and boring? Okay Innocent Child. Done. But he says he'll use it on someone else. I cannot think of a power which now fills the requirements, and that makes me wonder more about how many times he called himself town/pro town in his first post. It sounds like the post of that one guy the one time I coached scum. I cannot for the life of me remember which game that was though. But its also what Ghost_403 said about my play in XIX, it is a scum tell.
Along with that I'm all buggered up over WoS being so focused on anti town alignments. "Mafia (or even 3p)"
On October 28 2013 08:28 WaveofShadow wrote:I find the fact that Pandain even gets a slight scumread from my opening post hilarious. He's played games with me and should know almost every single opening post of mine is along the lines of what I rolled and I often whine about something, often what I rolled.  To me Pandain it looks more like YOU are the one who is trying to contribute something to look good---I don't find anything you picked out regarding me OR Rayn scum-indicative in any way, and as such I find your posting incredibly weak thus far. Oh and I suppose I should have mentioned this before the game started but considering my not-so-great play and the embarrassing length of my filter in Thug, I plan on keeping things way more concise than usual. I do not plan to be in the top few posters lengthwise this game. Make of that what you will. Anyway I'm tempted to fuck off until whatever Sentinel did resolves but I suppose that wouldn't be very helpful. Guess we'll see.
hurrhurrr. I totally missed this on my first read through but second post excuse for not posting as much as usual when there was no mention of it in pre? Hmmmm....I'll say no.
On October 28 2013 14:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 14:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
Man all the time this happens to me, I jump on a townie being scummy to me and scum jumps right on after.
Not that Prome is town and WoS is scum, just that WoS is way more likely to be scum if Prome is town. Do you think as scum I would be likely to attack a town Prom as my primary mislynch target? Prom is there a reason you don't feel like talking to me and instead feel the need to graze over my questions with Oats instead? Am I bothering you?
This confused me originally but now feels scummy, I was addressing the case with the person pressuring me, Oats, and not the person who wrote a bull shit case, WoS who had not followed up on it at all. So WoS wrote a bad case. Didn't follow it up. Accused me for being scum because I talked about the case with the guy who did follow it up.
The thing is WoS wasn't terrible when I used to play. I assume he has gotten better and not worse. So he'd know that the shit he is pulling is shit.
On October 28 2013 14:44 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 14:35 Promethelax wrote:On October 28 2013 14:28 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 28 2013 14:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
Man all the time this happens to me, I jump on a townie being scummy to me and scum jumps right on after.
Not that Prome is town and WoS is scum, just that WoS is way more likely to be scum if Prome is town. Do you think as scum I would be likely to attack a town Prom as my primary mislynch target? Prom is there a reason you don't feel like talking to me and instead feel the need to graze over my questions with Oats instead? Am I bothering you? Because oats keeps niggling at them, like he cares, like town. So I talk to him. The fact that you are being dumb bothers me, I didn't think you were dumb. So now I have to figure out if scum or dumb, which sucks, Sorry I'm being hostile, it's been a long day I had to hang out with my future mother-in-law and it was stressful. I'm going to grab a beer and tone it down a little. Seriously though, thinking I'd want to meta pandain when I haven't played with him or (maybe this wasn't clear and its why you are confused) read a game with him in it in real time is really silly. I love meta, dont get me wrong but I can't meta people with whom I have no history. Also I hosted your first scum game. You were a nervous wreck. + Show Spoiler +(I seem to remember you previously showing examples of meta like crazy even when you haven't played with the targets of your cases, but I could be mistaking you for someone else as I haven't been able to dig anything up.) It's my only scum game. I've been 3P three times and haven't had a scumgame since. It's allll in my profile. The point of that being you really think you can have even a weak meta read on me based on how I played months ago, without having looked at my play since? In your experience are people that stagnant over 10 games that you should be able to pick out my town meta instantly? Whether or not I am right or wrong regarding you and your alignment, it is my opinion that a read of me based on meta, assuming you haven't read into me just like you haven't read into Pandain would be bad play, and I know you aren't a bad player. It's that 'you're better than this' vibe that I seem to get (which incidentally made me right about Palmar in THug, and much earlier BH in Carnival Cruise) that pops up every so often, and your very first post struck a chord with me there as well. I can't explain that one nearly as well, but it essentially amounts to you stating the extremely obvious, which may be necessary for a town to hear, I suppose, but then again I knew very well not to be running around activating powers willy-nilly from the first time I experienced them---so oes it REALLY need to be said, or something that is supposed to make you look good for a good towny post?
In nine minutes WoS looked through all my games. Nine minutes for him to realize he was full of shit. Or he knew it from the beginning. WoS was full of shit from the beginning. WoS is scum ##logic
On October 29 2013 09:06 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 22:57 marvellosity wrote:Wave - The long and short of it is this, Wave - I think Prome is being too much of an arrogant ass to be mafia. Now, as you know, usually I have large reserves of faith in my powers (I can be arrogant ;p) but Prome is taking it to another level. So: On October 28 2013 13:58 Promethelax wrote:
I the resisting = interesting sorry Seuss, my tablet is a butt munching ass licker.
Rayn, fair enough points. I approve and find you townie. As such you and I and maybe Marv are starting a townie circle, which I have the power to create.
It takes remarkable confidence imo to propose creating a town circle with you at the head of it. I'm relating this back to me, but as mafia even I struggle to propose/say these sorts of things. On October 28 2013 14:00 Promethelax wrote:
Oh, point I wanted to make about koshi saying oats was 3p for being able to be levelled up by non town:
Koshi is scum.
I'll leave this to another power upper to explain as it should show them I am town and show me they are town. Again with the ridiculous self-confidence. As if whatever his read is definitely makes him town, which it almost certainly doesn't. Townies rather than mafia tend to think "this SO makes me town" even when it doesn't. Toad is a prime example of this (say LIX, where his mason claim "confirmed" him town when it did no such thing). It's a double whammy because he also thinks that someone else with a power explaining it to him will make him town. All of this seems hard to fake as mafia. On October 28 2013 14:30 Promethelax wrote:On October 28 2013 14:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 28 2013 14:20 Promethelax wrote:On October 28 2013 14:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 28 2013 14:08 Promethelax wrote:On October 28 2013 14:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 28 2013 13:58 Promethelax wrote:
I the resisting = interesting sorry Seuss, my tablet is a butt munching ass licker.
Rayn, fair enough points. I approve and find you townie. As such you and I and maybe Marv are starting a townie circle, which I have the power to create.
Oats, why should I power you up? You think I am scum for a bad reason and are generally a silky bastard who I would not give roles to this early. Remember carnival cruise where you never crumbed your cop checks and in death cleared a scum? You can stay powerless thanks. If you think everyone should be powered why have you not powered me and Marv? The two best payers with power up abilities.
Pandain, the fick are you doing? Why announce your return and vanish again. ##twerkSince when are you good at blue Prome. I really dont expect this from you prome. You shit on me for no reason, and you havent called me scum yet, but arent willing to argue your reads with me or do anything to convince people that someone else is scum. You should power me because you think Im town and you havent said im scum. I don't think you are scum. I think you are town. Two reasons I won't power you: 1 is [redacted due to ongoing game] 2 you don't need a power role right now. There are few people who use day 1 power roles really well and you aren't one, if you were mod confirmed town I'd give you power but the risk reward between giving a scum you power and a town you power is not worth it. Since forever am I good at blue. Look at my MS games or chronotrigger or...that might be all my blue games. What. You wont give me powers because you think Im bad? Non of my powers can hurt town, but they are nice to have. If you think Im town, there is literally no reason to not give me powers. I'm not sure I can be clearer, I think you are town lets out a number to it (this will make the rest of this example easier to show you) I'm 65% sure you are town. There is a 35% chance you are scum. I believe that the way you would use a power role as scum would benefit your team at least twice as much as the way you using your power role as town would benefit your team. Thus I chose not to power you up because I felt the cost benefit analysis suggested that voting you would be more helpful to scum than to town. Rayn, weigh In Here, am I being clear? Y/n Yes, and i think you think alike me regarding the powers. Could you give me an updated read on Pandain? I could but its too early to be clear with each other. Lets play a game: This post is the one I find most alignment indicative Tell me why and which alignment I think he is I think this post is pretty bad, and his subsequent reasoning for it isn't fantastic either (it's a little superficial in my opinion). But again, I see it as town bad. See again how it's like he's framing it that OTHER townies can show their alignment to HIM by working out what he's talking about. Again, hard to fake as mafia. These are the prime examples, but generally his filter reads as him being way too arrogant, assuming the townleader position, seeing things and quizzing others to see if they see the same as him ----> they are town. I think that's all quite impressive if he's mafia. Yeah looking over this again, I completely disagree with the first point, and your second point is the best. Problem here is this absolutely does not preclude Prome from being something like 3P, but it is certainly enough to be sure he is not a good vote choice for today, which I was coming around to anyway. I'm way too paranoid to give either him OR you a townread right now though I can say with a fair amount of confidence that there is no way you are both scum. ##Unvote: Promethelax##Vote: OOHCHILDI'm happy with this as a placeholder if nothing else.
I find this really weird, this is not the first time he was brought up 3p so far this game. I'd say he either is 3p or is aware of its existence.
Along with that his OOh 'placeholder' vote was the fourth vote on OOOh and he hadn't commented before at all. I don't like that particular vote. In fact, I rather like WoS as scum. Or 3p. Anti town any ways.
I'll be voting WoS and I urge you to do the same
##unvote
##Vote: WoS
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On October 30 2013 01:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lol SnB just claimed scum.
Can we lynch SnB guys?
##unvote
##vote SnB
Elaborate please.
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I need to catch up it seems. and learn to use [center] tags
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On October 30 2013 01:06 Promethelax wrote:
Okay so I walked around the block and kicked puppies so I feel a little better now. Reread everything from page fifty and went into some filters.
Suess you should ##Yolo Promethelax
I'm not as certain of you being town as I am marv and Oats. Also, didn't you get the ones you needed earlier? I thought you wanted people to stop after that.
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On October 30 2013 01:10 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 01:06 Promethelax wrote:
Okay so I walked around the block and kicked puppies so I feel a little better now. Reread everything from page fifty and went into some filters.
Suess you should ##Yolo Promethelax I'm not as certain of you being town as I am marv and Oats. Also, didn't you get the ones you needed earlier? I thought you wanted people to stop after that.
I wrote that before SnB did it. But yes. I did. you should no longer Yolo me.
I also see that WoS is the hot lynch now without my help. So woo!
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