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Skanjab
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I searched his filter for cases and Skanjab effectively has 1 case (on Yamato day 1).
Later on, he swaps to Sn0 with some reasoning, but it is far from a case.
Thats pretty much all he has done.
On October 17 2013 21:48 Skanjab1s wrote:+ Show Spoiler [yamato case] +In the QT, I was asked about my thoughts on yamato, these are them: I think he is scum, I dislike a lot of his posts: (1) He has been making a habit of lightly FoSing a bunch of people, but then not following up. Which feels to me like he is fishing for someone to latch on to, and waiting for town's consent before being willing to proceed. Examples: + Show Spoiler +On October 17 2013 16:51 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 07:01 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Skanjab1sOn October 17 2013 06:25 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 17 2013 06:22 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
##vote: Skanjab1s
Bring it on slytherin scum State your house, challenger, and prepare to see it fall. "guis I am town because I don't know yet the compositions of each House' On October 17 2013 06:51 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 17 2013 06:41 I-be-Pro wrote:
Okay I'm done with the contest. Just won it. So let's talk mafia.
Anything interesting happening in your QT supersoft? This skanjab guy asked in mine wether mafia has 1 member per house.
Rather scummy question to me. There's really not much to get out of that. Obviously everyone assumes so at this point but what do you expect the hosts to answer to that? Up until this point it's just a no-brainer question that might have not been a no-brainer for him. I ask that kind of questions all the time but this particular one really makes it sound like he's trying to "just post something" and look like he's participating imo. There is actually a lot to get out of that, if there was 1 scum in each house it would make it a hell of a lot easier to find the scum. If the answer had been "yes" then we'd get like, 5 conftown every scum lynch. "guis I am town because I have no clue how many scums there are" Honestly I could still lynch this hydra even if it was Koshi who made this post, just because of how shitty it really is. On October 17 2013 10:26 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 07:01 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Skanjab1sOn October 17 2013 06:25 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 17 2013 06:22 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
##vote: Skanjab1s
Bring it on slytherin scum State your house, challenger, and prepare to see it fall. "guis I am town because I don't know yet the compositions of each House' On October 17 2013 06:51 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 17 2013 06:41 I-be-Pro wrote:
Okay I'm done with the contest. Just won it. So let's talk mafia.
Anything interesting happening in your QT supersoft? This skanjab guy asked in mine wether mafia has 1 member per house.
Rather scummy question to me. There's really not much to get out of that. Obviously everyone assumes so at this point but what do you expect the hosts to answer to that? Up until this point it's just a no-brainer question that might have not been a no-brainer for him. I ask that kind of questions all the time but this particular one really makes it sound like he's trying to "just post something" and look like he's participating imo. There is actually a lot to get out of that, if there was 1 scum in each house it would make it a hell of a lot easier to find the scum. If the answer had been "yes" then we'd get like, 5 conftown every scum lynch. "guis I am town because I have no clue how many scums there are" who posted this? I wanna know On October 17 2013 10:38 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 10:38 Mattchew wrote:
yo yam, does that mean your thinking what im thinking that if it was Rayn I would lynch him on the spot? On October 17 2013 15:57 yamato77 wrote:
I will say about Matt, it seems odd to me that he instantly seems to trust me this game when I believe he thought I was mafia last game on D1 for absolutely no reason. I expect town Matt to be very suspicious of other people; it seems out of place for him to have such friendly interaction with me. All of these show yamato lightly FoSing people, and then failing to mention/pursue them again. (2) Here is another example that would fit in #1, but I feel it deserves a special mention because it shows yamato's inconsistency in his scum choices. On October 17 2013 10:38 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 08:30 Mocsta wrote:
Hi all,
Firstly,
I'm not sure why Supersoft/Toad want to release the house member distribution so eagerly?
Could either of you please divulge some reasoning behind this play
I know neither of them played GoT; but IIRC, the end-game discussion resulted in agreement between players/hosts that it was in towns best interest NOT to give out the house information. Though the setups are not identical, there are enough commonalities for me to conclude that the reasons in that game, pertain in this game.
i.e. mafia are randomly distributed; and there is potential there is at least one house they have not corrupted. Why give this information to them for free --> especially when we don't know what type of roles they have etc.
Secondly,
Raynkonoshi, can you please confirm that because no posts have been signed by Rayn; you are responsible for every post made by your hydra so far?
Thirdly,
I have no opinion on the skanjab stuff so far. I'm acknowledging it occured because obvious thats the biggest matter going on in the thread so far; but I need to re-read it all again before stating an opinion.
Lastly,
I'm not sure if this is right play to do in a themed closed game. But in a normal I believe you are meant to do this.
I am a self-aware miller.
After my doctor fake-claims as town last game, I can understand those that refuse to believe this.
So if this ends up in my lynch, so be it. zzzzzzzzzz Moc your opening posts always reek of scum He mentions Moc's post as "reeking of scum" but refuses to state what was scummy about the post. He futhermore, does not further pressure Moc, and instead, a short while later, defends Moc for the exact same post that he just said "reeks of scum": On October 17 2013 10:41 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 08:57 LastArgument wrote:On October 17 2013 08:30 Mocsta wrote:
Firstly,
I'm not sure why Supersoft/Toad want to release the house member distribution so eagerly?
Could either of you please divulge some reasoning behind this play
I know neither of them played GoT; but IIRC, the end-game discussion resulted in agreement between players/hosts that it was in towns best interest NOT to give out the house information. Though the setups are not identical, there are enough commonalities for me to conclude that the reasons in that game, pertain in this game.
i.e. mafia are randomly distributed; and there is potential there is at least one house they have not corrupted. Why give this information to them for free --> especially when we don't know what type of roles they have etc.
I don't understand any of this reasoning. The only situation where mafia don't understand the exact player make-up of each house is when all the mafia are stacked in 1 or 2 houses. If they're in 3 houses they can obviously deduce the fourth. A mathematician will probably be able to tell you how likely it is that all mafia are in 2 or fewer houses, but I don't think the probability is very high. What information do you think mafia are being given by releasing the members of people's houses then? this is true, but town in GoT were the idiots who came up with the secrecy idea in the first place, so this doesn't mean Moc is mafia unless he's playing intentionally stupid (3) After some game mechanics talk, we arrive at his OMGUS vote on VA. After VA casted "Expelliarmus" on him, he cast a vote onto VA with the reasoning "I'm sick of you". If we just ignore the OMGUS, this is still very poor reasoning for a vote, especially considering the amount of FoS's he has made with actual points. There is no reason given as to why he might think VA is scum whatsoever. Just after this post, he FoS'd Koshi/rayn again with this: On October 17 2013 16:51 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 07:01 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Skanjab1sOn October 17 2013 06:25 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 17 2013 06:22 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
##vote: Skanjab1s
Bring it on slytherin scum State your house, challenger, and prepare to see it fall. "guis I am town because I don't know yet the compositions of each House' On October 17 2013 06:51 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 17 2013 06:41 I-be-Pro wrote:
Okay I'm done with the contest. Just won it. So let's talk mafia.
Anything interesting happening in your QT supersoft? This skanjab guy asked in mine wether mafia has 1 member per house.
Rather scummy question to me. There's really not much to get out of that. Obviously everyone assumes so at this point but what do you expect the hosts to answer to that? Up until this point it's just a no-brainer question that might have not been a no-brainer for him. I ask that kind of questions all the time but this particular one really makes it sound like he's trying to "just post something" and look like he's participating imo. There is actually a lot to get out of that, if there was 1 scum in each house it would make it a hell of a lot easier to find the scum. If the answer had been "yes" then we'd get like, 5 conftown every scum lynch. "guis I am town because I have no clue how many scums there are" Honestly I could still lynch this hydra even if it was Koshi who made this post, just because of how shitty it really is. But still does not vote for him, nor attempt to further push him, preferring instead to keep his vote on VA. To sum up this last point: This vote on VA feels to me like a reactionary vote in fear of VA's cast ability. It is further scummy when read in comparison to the other people he has FoS'd with actual reasoning that he neglects. ##vote: yamato I thought this was a good case Day1 (maybe i was biased, because I asked him for thoughts on Yamato in the QT which led to this case I 'spose).
On October 19 2013 00:15 Skanjab1s wrote:##Vote: sn0_Man+ Show Spoiler [Sn0 reasoning] +Leans scum on palmar, says that he "could lynch him". Later backs down on this, and now in the QT says that he wants to sheep palmar's policy lynch on Mocsta and that even though he dislikes plynches, sheeping palmar's seems reasonable. A plynch that is agreed by the majority to be the correct play. I find it scummy that he would sheep his former scumread onto a policy lynch when he admits that he usually dislikes policylynches, and especially such a bad policy lynch.. On October 18 2013 14:11 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 14:06 Mocsta wrote:On October 18 2013 11:01 Sn0_Man wrote:Im kinda a mini player. People kinda... blend together in my mind in these games  Free townreads for LA/Toad/ET/SS for now tho. Sn0, you are one of those players that a few are publicly finding difficult to read and/or scummy. Can you please give me a run down on why Toad gets a hard town read. Can you also please also choose 1 of (LA/ET/SS). Thanks sir Not "hard" townreads. More like, No interest in lynching, and i'm lending value to what they say simply because all of them have well thought out posts. I'm considering them town/pro-town until evidence comes up. I dislike the phrase "until evidence comes up." It gives off a willingness to just sit back and wait for other people to scumhunt instead of showing an initiative to do it himself. He is also totes sheeping onto Cephiro and hasn't given any reasoning at all as to why he thinks Cephiro is scum. This is terrible. He drops the well-detailed yamato case for this crap; where is jsut nitpicking bad play as opposed to scummy play. He doesn't detail why this is scum mindset either.
On October 21 2013 06:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
I want ceph or stutters up for lynch today. Both have made promises of activity that remain unfulfilled. On October 21 2013 06:32 Skanjab1s wrote:What about yamato! Seriously... is this sequence of posts going to actually result in a lynch of the target? Considering the brevity of his former case on yamato; his current actions are not congruent. Reads as distancing to me.
On October 23 2013 05:07 Skanjab1s wrote:
I was hoping someone would shoot CR.
##Vote Chairman Ray
Thoughts on a massclaim in the future? Again.. why would this receive traction?
This is all his votes as detailed in the thread.
Guy has done nothing all game aside from bussing yamato. And has then never pushed it.
Conversely; this makes Grack town for this post:
On October 22 2013 11:36 Grackaroni wrote:Skanjab1s+ Show Spoiler +Skanjab1s writes a case on Yamato and pushes him in the thread early day1. Eventually Yamato disappears off his radar. On October 19 2013 00:47 Skanjab1s wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 00:36 Sn0_Man wrote:On October 19 2013 00:21 Skanjab1s wrote:
You didn't discuss it, you ignored it until Mocsta questioned you on it. False. I tossed it out there in the QT for opinions. Then I went to the thread, thought about stuff, and posted a list of lynches that soudned reasonable. Leaving out mocsta since he's got 0 votes and nobody in teh QT was discussing it with me (very short period of time here). THEN mocsta cried in the thread about the QT without even discussing anything in the QT itself, that was a wtf for me. I didn't ignore it I left it in the QT for discussion which eventually happened. You posted that you wanted to plynch Mocsta in the QT, then did not mention him at all thread. That is ignoring what you said in the QT. Obviously you posted about him in the QT initially, otherwise we wouldn't even be talking about him. On October 19 2013 00:21 Skanjab1s wrote:
It is scummy because you have:
(A) Already stated twice that you dislike any of the current lynch options.
(B) Refuse to give any input of your own as to why Cephiro is scummy. Even previously you say "Huh Cephiro looked like a good lynch too oh well". Also not offering any original insight. I never like lynch options day 1 because nobody's flipped. So what happened to yamato? He's sheeping the same case with the same lack of reasons, why'd you drop your longstanding tunnel on him for no reason? There are also many far more egregious lurkers than me. You still lack any reasoning that makes me scum, you want to lynch me for laziness over your longstanding scumread yamato and over all the actual lurkers. What gives? Classic "why me?" scum defense. I find yamato's reaction to my case acceptable. His sheeping onto Cephiro is not the most pressing concern to me at the moment. You are much more interesting, baby. When questioned by Sn0 Man, "why'd you drop your longstanding tunnel on him for no reason?" He says that Yamato's reaction to the case was satisfactory meaning he no longer had a scum read on him or wanted to lynch him. Then when Yamato goes MIA in thread for a long time he comes back with, On October 21 2013 02:10 Skanjab1s wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2013 22:08 Onegu wrote:
@ Skanjab1s Can I get a update on your sn0 and yamato reads? Im really interested in yoir yamati read because he hasnt done much of anything since n1 at all. I still very much believe that yamato is scum, he didn't refute the points against him at all, he just said "ohthiscaseisshitushit" as a defense. Also it is apparently his scum meta to post less and less as the game goes on, as he has been doing. I am not as confident in my scumread of snoman anymore, I'm null/leaning town on him now. This is completely contradictory to what he said earlier. Also unlike Yamato, Stutters' scum meta isn't to post less and less as the game goes on that's his every game meta, yet his voted ended up on Stutters. On October 22 2013 05:00 Skanjab1s wrote:Yeah ill vote for stutters, CRay looks like he will contribute mo' Final reasoning for vote switch is terrible. He had actual reasons to believe Yamato was scummy and they were much better than his reasons to lynch stutters. Skanjab1s didn't even mention Stutters before his last minute switch. Also his reasoning directly contradicts what he said earlier. On October 17 2013 23:55 Skanjab1s wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 23:51 Pandain wrote:
Skanjab, you are tunneling Yamato and reading into things. He doesn't have to exactly fit with his town meta to be town, heck he was playing his scum meta up until the second day of play in Thug and he was town. Also why /would you lynch a potentially very valuable vet?
Tunneling is my style. Reading into things is the way I roll, baby. I do not let off my scumreads because they "could be valuable" or because they are vets. he was very confident in Yamato being scum and I don't think he could have been as confident in his read on stutters based on the reasoning he put out. On October 22 2013 06:06 Skanjab1s wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 05:51 Grackaroni wrote:On October 17 2013 23:55 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 17 2013 23:51 Pandain wrote:
Skanjab, you are tunneling Yamato and reading into things. He doesn't have to exactly fit with his town meta to be town, heck he was playing his scum meta up until the second day of play in Thug and he was town. Also why /would you lynch a potentially very valuable vet?
Tunneling is my style. Reading into things is the way I roll, baby. I do not let off my scumreads because they "could be valuable" or because they are vets. I don't believe you. Show me the things Stutters was doing that were in your opinion scummier than what you posted on Yamato. In retrospect, the things Stutters was doing were not scummier than what I posted on Yamato, I do not even know why I switched, but alas these are the things that made me think Stutters was scum: Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 02:04 Stutters695 wrote:
Well after catching up on Ceph and his role, I'm with Mocsta and still think he should be number 1 lynch today. This dude is simply not town.
Gonna go catch up with the other candidates, but I'm still for a Ceph lynch currently. > Coming out of nowhere with just "Ceph is not town, because his role". Not offering any further insight into his scum read on Ceph Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 04:14 Stutters695 wrote:On October 22 2013 03:56 Blazinghand wrote:Reading through stutters' filter, it seems he's posting just enough not to get modkilled. I'm comfortable lynching him. Since we have a lot of space after the N1 actions, it's reasonable to use a lynch or two to clear out chaff. ##unvote
##vote sutters695On October 22 2013 03:54 Mattchew wrote:
as of right now i am going to vote hopeless, i am treating Yam/CR as if they don't exist in this game because in my mind they dont, and should be modkilled hopeless situation will resolve itself though, right? I really don't like how this is worded. Based off of this post and your next post after, you imply I'm intentionally coasting by on the minimum to avoid a modkill. Given your considerable experience with me, you should know that as town I don't do that. I am an infrequent poster but I make my thoughts known (which I feel I've done with Ceph). Yet you feel the need to justify lynching me by saying we can spare(I.e. waste) lynches. Covering your ass for when I flip exactly what I claimed? > Says that as town, he doesn't just coast by (which he was doing). Then says that he is an infrequent poster, but as town he makes his thoughts known. As I've just said, he wasn't making his thoughts known at all. Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 04:37 Stutters695 wrote:
CR: Read my summary of his actions in the Griff qt and it will make more sense. > Him telling someone to read the summary of Ceph's actions in the qt, but then someone else pointing out that there was no such summary, made me think that he was just saying it in thread to make it seem as if he was contributing, at least in his QT. Those were the things he posted that gave me scumfeels. Points 1 and 3 are totally invalid. 1) Stutters had a scum read before this post on cephiro and gave reasons besides he's scum because of his role. I would think if Skanjab1s was reading Stutters as scum he would have looked over his filter and realized this. 3) No scum in the history of mafia has lied about having posted something in a QT that he actually didn't and directed somebody to take a look at it in order to "appear contributory". 2) is just weak and I don't see why he would think him doing this is scummier than Yamato doing this. Aside from that Skanjab1s was very confident that Yamato was scum earlier and he was the only one I remember that wrote a case on Yamato. All mafia players have big egos; I think a natural response would be for him to want to have been right about Yamato all along and lynch his original scum read. Beyond all of that other reasoning I don't believe for one second that him showing up in the thread in the last minute was mere happenstance. He wanted Stutters to be lynched but he didn't want to risk losing the town cred from pushing Yamato so he waited it out without posting thoughts in thread that may look bad on him later. I can see the secret vote and him voting doesn't exactly line up but these situations can be very chaotic and scum teams don't have perfect organization. Unfortunately, at the time; it was written with too much personal opinion as opposed to fact/logic so it did not receive the respect it deserved.
The crux of his case is how skanjab didn't follow through with his case on yamato. The points here re-enforce all the reasons why I think Skanjab is scum distancing yamato/chairman_ray
LYNCH WITH FIRE !!!
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The third scum is between
Holyflare/Hopeless1der/Onegu/Blazinghand
With the cop check on Hufflepuff: I suppose this reduces the potential to {Holyflare, Hopeless1der}
Hopeless1der has be useless all game. Its a shame; I would love to attribute his lurking to being demotivated (with 3 scum flips Night 1).. however, then you have people like stutters/onegu. I can't recall a single thing Hopeless1der has done which is a problem. I do remember him asking people to look into Skanjab early Day1, but then never progressing it further. I even called him out on this. However, I can't use this until Skanjab flips - as its an association tell.
Holyflare I really liked Day1, and has kept fading and fading.
On October 25 2013 03:55 Holyflare wrote:
People just assume I haven't been doing anything but I've actually been posting uselful things to determine who is scum, just nobody reads my filter and "assumes" i've done nothing......
I don't like posts like these because.. on one hand, clearly you recognise the need to change your approach if you want your message communicated and implemented - its not up to us to do that change. Thus, this can be taken as whinging to blend in -> i.e. scummy
On the other hand, if you are being ignored, I can understand being demotivated to keep trying really hard. So that he keeps coming back is a very good sign. --> i.e. townie
I am actually leaning towards the good sign; but need a filter dive to re-affirm how his votes have lined up.
Personally, even though there is a house check on Holy/Hope I would rather leave this lynch to last as there is certain scum in Skanjab/Chairman
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I don't see how my case is lacking logic compared to anything you/BH say on him. Maybe I need to work on making my writing understandable.
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Lastly.
Medics.
Syllo is safe tonight
Jat is safe tonight
I am safe tonight
Please consider saving yourself.
Otherwise, only suitable protects are grackeroni, rayn, onegu
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On October 25 2013 11:08 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't see how my case is lacking logic compared to anything you/BH say on him. Maybe I need to work on making my writing understandable.
It's written with too much emotion so reads as funneled.
That doesn't make it tunneled per se, but at least gives that impression.
I.e. makes it easy to ignore when skimming /sorry
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ATTENTION ALL BLAZINGHANDS
heal the Sn0 Man, and try not to melt him.
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On October 25 2013 11:08 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't see how my case is lacking logic compared to anything you/BH say on him. Maybe I need to work on making my writing understandable.
By the way. I already thought you were town
But this response to what I wrote is very towny
It's written with an emotion very hard to fake I believe.
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I was probably pretty annoyed when I wrote it that my lynch didn't go through.
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By yourself... I meant each other hahah
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United Kingdom30774 Posts
Mocsta how can you ignore the entire remaining gryffindor?! I don't know how many times I have to say this:
On October 25 2013 07:14 Holyflare wrote:
You guys are actually kidding right? There's a POSITIVE COP CHECK on people in gryffindor ON THE HOUSE THAT WASN'T GOING TO GET COP CHECKED, there is absolutely no way that a fucking framer does that shit. We lynch jat or rayn and there is no other option. Stop playing dumb.
On October 25 2013 07:15 Holyflare wrote:
Seeing as jat called LM vig shot then it must be rayn, there is no other option.
I also don't see how the rest of hufflepuff has not confirmed this to be the case and actively agreeing with this point? Grack I can see as town and have done for most of the game and I realise he's been distracted by the scum hunting and participation that he has been doing but hopeless has pretty much given out 1 potion and afkd.
If they read what I wrote and what storr/matt wrote they'd see the logic and realise it could only be rayn.
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Unless you posted those 2 as votes after rayn.
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I don't really care about the cop check on gryffyndor because rayn could be a miller
Judging his play and interest all game I lean town.
Even cephiro thought he was town, knowing all the facts before we did.
Holy.. that u want to take the easy route and lynch here is not an admirable quality in judging your play as town... Big scum points there.
Why do u raise rayn based in a check capable of tampering and neglect to comment on my cases on cr and skanjab?
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I will make a case on him because it certainly isn't all town play and I'm not dismissing those cases, I think they are reasonable choices.
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Basically, he had a strong scum read on Yamato with some decent evidence to back it up. Then it faded away. When he was asked what happened to it he said he liked Yamato's defense - which is fine. It's not fine, however, that he comes back later on in day2 pushing Yamato, saying that he had a scum read on him the whole time and that Yamato's defense did nothing to change his mind.
On day2 he shows up at the last minute and moves his vote off of Yamato and on to Stutters because they are equally scummy and CR could contribute. But he seemed to prefer Yamato over Stutters before, On October 21 2013 06:32 Skanjab1s wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2013 06:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
I want ceph or stutters up for lynch today. Both have made promises of activity that remain unfulfilled. What about yamato!
The possibility of CR contributing doesn't seem like a realistic reason for him to switch his mind because he made it clear that he wouldn't let scum reads get away for being useful. It seemed like a very weak justification for a vote change and his reasoning for Stutters being scum that he gave after the lynch was also much weaker than his Yamato reasoning.
Don't forget the lynch was very close and townies will generally make their presence known in the thread during a deadline. There is potential scum motivation for Skanjab1s not to show he is in the thread. (assuming a Yamato-Skanjab1s scum team) If he is in the thread he has to either convince people that Yamato is the correct lynch and risk going down to 2 mafia members or back track on his previous reasoning on Yamato and lose all of the town-cred he could have gotten for being on the Yamato wagon by pushing Stutters. It's likely (and even more likely with the secret vote being town) Skanjab1s was waiting in the QT watching the thread unfold, and hoping Stutters will get lynched without him intervening. At least this was what I did when I was in this scenario.
I think all of these 3 things together make a Skanjab1s/Yamato scum team likely.
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It probably would be pretty silly for us to completely ignore the red check on Raynoshi.
Only 3 real likely possibilities: JAT is Mafia. Raynoshi/Cephiro was framed n2. Raynoshi is Mafia.
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On October 25 2013 10:50 Mocsta wrote:SkanjabfilterI searched his filter for cases and Skanjab effectively has 1 case (on Yamato day 1). Later on, he swaps to Sn0 with some reasoning, but it is far from a case. Thats pretty much all he has done. Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 21:48 Skanjab1s wrote:+ Show Spoiler [yamato case] +In the QT, I was asked about my thoughts on yamato, these are them: I think he is scum, I dislike a lot of his posts: (1) He has been making a habit of lightly FoSing a bunch of people, but then not following up. Which feels to me like he is fishing for someone to latch on to, and waiting for town's consent before being willing to proceed. Examples: + Show Spoiler +On October 17 2013 16:51 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 07:01 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Skanjab1sOn October 17 2013 06:25 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 17 2013 06:22 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
##vote: Skanjab1s
Bring it on slytherin scum State your house, challenger, and prepare to see it fall. "guis I am town because I don't know yet the compositions of each House' On October 17 2013 06:51 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 17 2013 06:41 I-be-Pro wrote:
Okay I'm done with the contest. Just won it. So let's talk mafia.
Anything interesting happening in your QT supersoft? This skanjab guy asked in mine wether mafia has 1 member per house.
Rather scummy question to me. There's really not much to get out of that. Obviously everyone assumes so at this point but what do you expect the hosts to answer to that? Up until this point it's just a no-brainer question that might have not been a no-brainer for him. I ask that kind of questions all the time but this particular one really makes it sound like he's trying to "just post something" and look like he's participating imo. There is actually a lot to get out of that, if there was 1 scum in each house it would make it a hell of a lot easier to find the scum. If the answer had been "yes" then we'd get like, 5 conftown every scum lynch. "guis I am town because I have no clue how many scums there are" Honestly I could still lynch this hydra even if it was Koshi who made this post, just because of how shitty it really is. On October 17 2013 10:26 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 07:01 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Skanjab1sOn October 17 2013 06:25 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 17 2013 06:22 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
##vote: Skanjab1s
Bring it on slytherin scum State your house, challenger, and prepare to see it fall. "guis I am town because I don't know yet the compositions of each House' On October 17 2013 06:51 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 17 2013 06:41 I-be-Pro wrote:
Okay I'm done with the contest. Just won it. So let's talk mafia.
Anything interesting happening in your QT supersoft? This skanjab guy asked in mine wether mafia has 1 member per house.
Rather scummy question to me. There's really not much to get out of that. Obviously everyone assumes so at this point but what do you expect the hosts to answer to that? Up until this point it's just a no-brainer question that might have not been a no-brainer for him. I ask that kind of questions all the time but this particular one really makes it sound like he's trying to "just post something" and look like he's participating imo. There is actually a lot to get out of that, if there was 1 scum in each house it would make it a hell of a lot easier to find the scum. If the answer had been "yes" then we'd get like, 5 conftown every scum lynch. "guis I am town because I have no clue how many scums there are" who posted this? I wanna know On October 17 2013 10:38 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 10:38 Mattchew wrote:
yo yam, does that mean your thinking what im thinking that if it was Rayn I would lynch him on the spot? On October 17 2013 15:57 yamato77 wrote:
I will say about Matt, it seems odd to me that he instantly seems to trust me this game when I believe he thought I was mafia last game on D1 for absolutely no reason. I expect town Matt to be very suspicious of other people; it seems out of place for him to have such friendly interaction with me. All of these show yamato lightly FoSing people, and then failing to mention/pursue them again. (2) Here is another example that would fit in #1, but I feel it deserves a special mention because it shows yamato's inconsistency in his scum choices. On October 17 2013 10:38 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 08:30 Mocsta wrote:
Hi all,
Firstly,
I'm not sure why Supersoft/Toad want to release the house member distribution so eagerly?
Could either of you please divulge some reasoning behind this play
I know neither of them played GoT; but IIRC, the end-game discussion resulted in agreement between players/hosts that it was in towns best interest NOT to give out the house information. Though the setups are not identical, there are enough commonalities for me to conclude that the reasons in that game, pertain in this game.
i.e. mafia are randomly distributed; and there is potential there is at least one house they have not corrupted. Why give this information to them for free --> especially when we don't know what type of roles they have etc.
Secondly,
Raynkonoshi, can you please confirm that because no posts have been signed by Rayn; you are responsible for every post made by your hydra so far?
Thirdly,
I have no opinion on the skanjab stuff so far. I'm acknowledging it occured because obvious thats the biggest matter going on in the thread so far; but I need to re-read it all again before stating an opinion.
Lastly,
I'm not sure if this is right play to do in a themed closed game. But in a normal I believe you are meant to do this.
I am a self-aware miller.
After my doctor fake-claims as town last game, I can understand those that refuse to believe this.
So if this ends up in my lynch, so be it. zzzzzzzzzz Moc your opening posts always reek of scum He mentions Moc's post as "reeking of scum" but refuses to state what was scummy about the post. He futhermore, does not further pressure Moc, and instead, a short while later, defends Moc for the exact same post that he just said "reeks of scum": On October 17 2013 10:41 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 08:57 LastArgument wrote:On October 17 2013 08:30 Mocsta wrote:
Firstly,
I'm not sure why Supersoft/Toad want to release the house member distribution so eagerly?
Could either of you please divulge some reasoning behind this play
I know neither of them played GoT; but IIRC, the end-game discussion resulted in agreement between players/hosts that it was in towns best interest NOT to give out the house information. Though the setups are not identical, there are enough commonalities for me to conclude that the reasons in that game, pertain in this game.
i.e. mafia are randomly distributed; and there is potential there is at least one house they have not corrupted. Why give this information to them for free --> especially when we don't know what type of roles they have etc.
I don't understand any of this reasoning. The only situation where mafia don't understand the exact player make-up of each house is when all the mafia are stacked in 1 or 2 houses. If they're in 3 houses they can obviously deduce the fourth. A mathematician will probably be able to tell you how likely it is that all mafia are in 2 or fewer houses, but I don't think the probability is very high. What information do you think mafia are being given by releasing the members of people's houses then? this is true, but town in GoT were the idiots who came up with the secrecy idea in the first place, so this doesn't mean Moc is mafia unless he's playing intentionally stupid (3) After some game mechanics talk, we arrive at his OMGUS vote on VA. After VA casted "Expelliarmus" on him, he cast a vote onto VA with the reasoning "I'm sick of you". If we just ignore the OMGUS, this is still very poor reasoning for a vote, especially considering the amount of FoS's he has made with actual points. There is no reason given as to why he might think VA is scum whatsoever. Just after this post, he FoS'd Koshi/rayn again with this: On October 17 2013 16:51 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 07:01 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Skanjab1sOn October 17 2013 06:25 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 17 2013 06:22 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
##vote: Skanjab1s
Bring it on slytherin scum State your house, challenger, and prepare to see it fall. "guis I am town because I don't know yet the compositions of each House' On October 17 2013 06:51 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 17 2013 06:41 I-be-Pro wrote:
Okay I'm done with the contest. Just won it. So let's talk mafia.
Anything interesting happening in your QT supersoft? This skanjab guy asked in mine wether mafia has 1 member per house.
Rather scummy question to me. There's really not much to get out of that. Obviously everyone assumes so at this point but what do you expect the hosts to answer to that? Up until this point it's just a no-brainer question that might have not been a no-brainer for him. I ask that kind of questions all the time but this particular one really makes it sound like he's trying to "just post something" and look like he's participating imo. There is actually a lot to get out of that, if there was 1 scum in each house it would make it a hell of a lot easier to find the scum. If the answer had been "yes" then we'd get like, 5 conftown every scum lynch. "guis I am town because I have no clue how many scums there are" Honestly I could still lynch this hydra even if it was Koshi who made this post, just because of how shitty it really is. But still does not vote for him, nor attempt to further push him, preferring instead to keep his vote on VA. To sum up this last point: This vote on VA feels to me like a reactionary vote in fear of VA's cast ability. It is further scummy when read in comparison to the other people he has FoS'd with actual reasoning that he neglects. ##vote: yamato I thought this was a good case Day1 (maybe i was biased, because I asked him for thoughts on Yamato in the QT which led to this case I 'spose). Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 00:15 Skanjab1s wrote:##Vote: sn0_Man+ Show Spoiler [Sn0 reasoning] +Leans scum on palmar, says that he "could lynch him". Later backs down on this, and now in the QT says that he wants to sheep palmar's policy lynch on Mocsta and that even though he dislikes plynches, sheeping palmar's seems reasonable. A plynch that is agreed by the majority to be the correct play. I find it scummy that he would sheep his former scumread onto a policy lynch when he admits that he usually dislikes policylynches, and especially such a bad policy lynch.. On October 18 2013 14:11 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 14:06 Mocsta wrote:On October 18 2013 11:01 Sn0_Man wrote:Im kinda a mini player. People kinda... blend together in my mind in these games Free townreads for LA/Toad/ET/SS for now tho. Sn0, you are one of those players that a few are publicly finding difficult to read and/or scummy. Can you please give me a run down on why Toad gets a hard town read. Can you also please also choose 1 of (LA/ET/SS). Thanks sir Not "hard" townreads. More like, No interest in lynching, and i'm lending value to what they say simply because all of them have well thought out posts. I'm considering them town/pro-town until evidence comes up. I dislike the phrase "until evidence comes up." It gives off a willingness to just sit back and wait for other people to scumhunt instead of showing an initiative to do it himself. He is also totes sheeping onto Cephiro and hasn't given any reasoning at all as to why he thinks Cephiro is scum. This is terrible. He drops the well-detailed yamato case for this crap; where is jsut nitpicking bad play as opposed to scummy play. He doesn't detail why this is scum mindset either. Show nested quote +On October 21 2013 06:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
I want ceph or stutters up for lynch today. Both have made promises of activity that remain unfulfilled. Seriously... is this sequence of posts going to actually result in a lynch of the target? Considering the brevity of his former case on yamato; his current actions are not congruent. Reads as distancing to me. Show nested quote +On October 23 2013 05:07 Skanjab1s wrote:
I was hoping someone would shoot CR.
##Vote Chairman Ray
Thoughts on a massclaim in the future? Again.. why would this receive traction?
This is all his votes as detailed in the thread. Guy has done nothing all game aside from bussing yamato. And has then never pushed it. Conversely; this makes Grack town for this post: Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 11:36 Grackaroni wrote:Skanjab1s+ Show Spoiler +Skanjab1s writes a case on Yamato and pushes him in the thread early day1. Eventually Yamato disappears off his radar. On October 19 2013 00:47 Skanjab1s wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 00:36 Sn0_Man wrote:On October 19 2013 00:21 Skanjab1s wrote:
You didn't discuss it, you ignored it until Mocsta questioned you on it. False. I tossed it out there in the QT for opinions. Then I went to the thread, thought about stuff, and posted a list of lynches that soudned reasonable. Leaving out mocsta since he's got 0 votes and nobody in teh QT was discussing it with me (very short period of time here). THEN mocsta cried in the thread about the QT without even discussing anything in the QT itself, that was a wtf for me. I didn't ignore it I left it in the QT for discussion which eventually happened. You posted that you wanted to plynch Mocsta in the QT, then did not mention him at all thread. That is ignoring what you said in the QT. Obviously you posted about him in the QT initially, otherwise we wouldn't even be talking about him. On October 19 2013 00:21 Skanjab1s wrote:
It is scummy because you have:
(A) Already stated twice that you dislike any of the current lynch options.
(B) Refuse to give any input of your own as to why Cephiro is scummy. Even previously you say "Huh Cephiro looked like a good lynch too oh well". Also not offering any original insight. I never like lynch options day 1 because nobody's flipped. So what happened to yamato? He's sheeping the same case with the same lack of reasons, why'd you drop your longstanding tunnel on him for no reason? There are also many far more egregious lurkers than me. You still lack any reasoning that makes me scum, you want to lynch me for laziness over your longstanding scumread yamato and over all the actual lurkers. What gives? Classic "why me?" scum defense. I find yamato's reaction to my case acceptable. His sheeping onto Cephiro is not the most pressing concern to me at the moment. You are much more interesting, baby. When questioned by Sn0 Man, "why'd you drop your longstanding tunnel on him for no reason?" He says that Yamato's reaction to the case was satisfactory meaning he no longer had a scum read on him or wanted to lynch him. Then when Yamato goes MIA in thread for a long time he comes back with, On October 21 2013 02:10 Skanjab1s wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2013 22:08 Onegu wrote:
@ Skanjab1s Can I get a update on your sn0 and yamato reads? Im really interested in yoir yamati read because he hasnt done much of anything since n1 at all. I still very much believe that yamato is scum, he didn't refute the points against him at all, he just said "ohthiscaseisshitushit" as a defense. Also it is apparently his scum meta to post less and less as the game goes on, as he has been doing. I am not as confident in my scumread of snoman anymore, I'm null/leaning town on him now. This is completely contradictory to what he said earlier. Also unlike Yamato, Stutters' scum meta isn't to post less and less as the game goes on that's his every game meta, yet his voted ended up on Stutters. On October 22 2013 05:00 Skanjab1s wrote:Yeah ill vote for stutters, CRay looks like he will contribute mo' Final reasoning for vote switch is terrible. He had actual reasons to believe Yamato was scummy and they were much better than his reasons to lynch stutters. Skanjab1s didn't even mention Stutters before his last minute switch. Also his reasoning directly contradicts what he said earlier. On October 17 2013 23:55 Skanjab1s wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 23:51 Pandain wrote:
Skanjab, you are tunneling Yamato and reading into things. He doesn't have to exactly fit with his town meta to be town, heck he was playing his scum meta up until the second day of play in Thug and he was town. Also why /would you lynch a potentially very valuable vet?
Tunneling is my style. Reading into things is the way I roll, baby. I do not let off my scumreads because they "could be valuable" or because they are vets. he was very confident in Yamato being scum and I don't think he could have been as confident in his read on stutters based on the reasoning he put out. On October 22 2013 06:06 Skanjab1s wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 05:51 Grackaroni wrote:On October 17 2013 23:55 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 17 2013 23:51 Pandain wrote:
Skanjab, you are tunneling Yamato and reading into things. He doesn't have to exactly fit with his town meta to be town, heck he was playing his scum meta up until the second day of play in Thug and he was town. Also why /would you lynch a potentially very valuable vet?
Tunneling is my style. Reading into things is the way I roll, baby. I do not let off my scumreads because they "could be valuable" or because they are vets. I don't believe you. Show me the things Stutters was doing that were in your opinion scummier than what you posted on Yamato. In retrospect, the things Stutters was doing were not scummier than what I posted on Yamato, I do not even know why I switched, but alas these are the things that made me think Stutters was scum: Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 02:04 Stutters695 wrote:
Well after catching up on Ceph and his role, I'm with Mocsta and still think he should be number 1 lynch today. This dude is simply not town.
Gonna go catch up with the other candidates, but I'm still for a Ceph lynch currently. > Coming out of nowhere with just "Ceph is not town, because his role". Not offering any further insight into his scum read on Ceph Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 04:14 Stutters695 wrote:On October 22 2013 03:56 Blazinghand wrote:Reading through stutters' filter, it seems he's posting just enough not to get modkilled. I'm comfortable lynching him. Since we have a lot of space after the N1 actions, it's reasonable to use a lynch or two to clear out chaff. ##unvote
##vote sutters695On October 22 2013 03:54 Mattchew wrote:
as of right now i am going to vote hopeless, i am treating Yam/CR as if they don't exist in this game because in my mind they dont, and should be modkilled hopeless situation will resolve itself though, right? I really don't like how this is worded. Based off of this post and your next post after, you imply I'm intentionally coasting by on the minimum to avoid a modkill. Given your considerable experience with me, you should know that as town I don't do that. I am an infrequent poster but I make my thoughts known (which I feel I've done with Ceph). Yet you feel the need to justify lynching me by saying we can spare(I.e. waste) lynches. Covering your ass for when I flip exactly what I claimed? > Says that as town, he doesn't just coast by (which he was doing). Then says that he is an infrequent poster, but as town he makes his thoughts known. As I've just said, he wasn't making his thoughts known at all. Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 04:37 Stutters695 wrote:
CR: Read my summary of his actions in the Griff qt and it will make more sense. > Him telling someone to read the summary of Ceph's actions in the qt, but then someone else pointing out that there was no such summary, made me think that he was just saying it in thread to make it seem as if he was contributing, at least in his QT. Those were the things he posted that gave me scumfeels. Points 1 and 3 are totally invalid. 1) Stutters had a scum read before this post on cephiro and gave reasons besides he's scum because of his role. I would think if Skanjab1s was reading Stutters as scum he would have looked over his filter and realized this. 3) No scum in the history of mafia has lied about having posted something in a QT that he actually didn't and directed somebody to take a look at it in order to "appear contributory". 2) is just weak and I don't see why he would think him doing this is scummier than Yamato doing this. Aside from that Skanjab1s was very confident that Yamato was scum earlier and he was the only one I remember that wrote a case on Yamato. All mafia players have big egos; I think a natural response would be for him to want to have been right about Yamato all along and lynch his original scum read. Beyond all of that other reasoning I don't believe for one second that him showing up in the thread in the last minute was mere happenstance. He wanted Stutters to be lynched but he didn't want to risk losing the town cred from pushing Yamato so he waited it out without posting thoughts in thread that may look bad on him later. I can see the secret vote and him voting doesn't exactly line up but these situations can be very chaotic and scum teams don't have perfect organization. Unfortunately, at the time; it was written with too much personal opinion as opposed to fact/logic so it did not receive the respect it deserved. The crux of his case is how skanjab didn't follow through with his case on yamato. The points here re-enforce all the reasons why I think Skanjab is scum distancing yamato/chairman_ray LYNCH WITH FIRE !!!
The only point in that case is that I have been "bussing" yamato, but not following through. Which is just wrong. I have been pushing for the lynch of this scum for the whole game, not for "towncred" but to kill scum. You say I have been distancing, which is simply silly, given the amount that I have pushed him this game. There is no distancing whatsoever. You even say that my pushing hopeless for thoughts on yamato, is distancing. It is the exact opposite of distancing.
As for me not following through with the case on yamato - it is practically all I have spoken about, and I've had my vote on him at the end of every day. I am a giant rolling boulder of follow-through.
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My case details the extent of your pushing
You clearly jumped to the summary and avoided the meat and potatoes.
Well done skanjab
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lol Skan which case is better. Mine or Mocsta's!? Only you can settle this... 
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Or you can say which one is worse. That seems fairer.
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Grackaroni i am waiting for the case.
Holyflare, riddle me this:
As for rayn I've only played 1 game with him and he was scum, I would be confident identifying his traits if he displayed them though.
You seem to be sure i am scum. Correctly identify my scumtraits and tell the thread.
(hint: whenever someone has tried to do this and i have been town they have been scum -- but by all means, as you are so confident as you claimed on D1, go ahead -- stand behind your words)
On a sidenote. I will be re-reading the whole game tomorrow and Saturday, then i will tell the thread who is scum. I've never been mislynched - even with a fucked up check - and i do not intend to start now. kthxbye.
-rayn
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