EPTif your to busy get replaced talk to the mod, don't complain about it. if your tired then sleep and get back to the game when your fresh. seriously guys...
We all have lives outside of tl mafia. so just stop.
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StorrZerg
United States13910 Posts
if your to busy get replaced talk to the mod, don't complain about it. if your tired then sleep and get back to the game when your fresh. seriously guys... We all have lives outside of tl mafia. so just stop. | ||
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justanothertownie
16309 Posts
I won't research about this in detail right now because it only takes away time I could use reading the thread but that's what stood out the most to me. No really strong reads though. | ||
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justanothertownie
16309 Posts
On October 18 2013 06:48 StorrZerg wrote: Also can people stop with the outside bull? making an excues for not posting, or being busy, sleepy what ever. if your to busy get replaced talk to the mod, don't complain about it. if your tired then sleep and get back to the game when your fresh. seriously guys... We all have lives outside of tl mafia. so just stop. That's exactly what I will be doing but people asked me at least in the qt. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9832 Posts
Purgatory is why I don't like syllogism's posts towards Palmar. In purgatory syllo was taking control of town and directing the lynch. He saw Palmar not caring about the game and called him out right away and pushed for his lynch. In here he has just asked why Palmar was focusing on the miller claim, and he should know that Palmar was going to do that regardless of alignment. I've read enough Palmar that I knew that the first thing he would do in the thread was make a big deal out of SAM claiming. Syllo hasn't said anything scummy but he doesn't appear to be playing in town's best interests. | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
K-pop is better than sex and I could die happy if I got a cute, cheerful Korean waifu. Okay, so yeah. There have been all kinds of claims about me and my participation in the QT, some more close to the truth, and some intentionally painting me in the worst manner possible. I want to clear that up, but I'll try to keep it short. Basically, today morning I made a short post with random fluff about my own life as the most content, with two points that can be considered relevant.
Simply put, as someone that studies statistics, I ran quick calculations and the chances of mafia knowing in which house each player resides is as high as ~91%. I mistakenly worded this the wrong way around in the QT (due to not having slept), which I'm sure everyone in the QT understood. Long story short, in my opinion the chances of mafia already having that information were high enough to basically guarantee that, and if town has the same possibility of gaining that information, they should. There may be roles that become more or less powerful with this information revealed, but I do not expect it to be substantial enough for it to be hidden. And after I made my thoughts clear, the houses and their players are all revealed, so this is mostly meaningless. I wanted to share this so you would know what I had posted, in the name of honesty, and possibly giving someone ideas to go by. The "additional posts" after that were mainly me raging since I got pissed off at mostly rayn, the way my actions were shared to the thread. The reason I originally didn't also post that short snippet of information I did earlier was that I didn't consider it very important, as well as I wanted to start the game with a proper, contentful post that other players could actually find useful, rather than random sleepy-as-fuck-thoughts. Also I've noticed recently that a bad start seems to haunt you way too easily for the whole duration for the game, thus I didn't want to handicap myself to begin with. This however didn't end up happening due to the actions of other housemates of mine, so I will have to live with that and make the best out of this entry of mine. In my apology-post in the QT after I had raged before I went for a k-pop pause, I also had a very short speculation about the setup. To share it with everyone, I basically thought due to the reactions of several other people talking about their roles and the setup, and knowing mine, that the setup is most likely completely pre-arranged. (Note: These are assumptions.) Such as: Draco Malfoy is always in Slytherin. Or, Hermione Granger is always town. This is not something worth looking into in my opinion, I was merely posting my thoughts out. As for why I don't consider it important, if I hosted a game myself I'd make sure that any role could be any alignment, simply to avoid "meta-gaming the hosts", since I believe that defeats the purpose of the game. And I find it likely even if most of the setup was made in a traditional, true to flavor manner, some side character at least would have a twist. In any case, end of beginning rant. E: Re-checking what I remembered, the rules state the mafia has been randomly distributed, which would make this speculation useless, unless you consider the possibility that hosts are lying to keep the option open even if it wasn't for balance reasons. Now for the players. After reading through the thread again slowly with a k-pop calmed mind I have come to the following opinions and conclusions: Mattchew: + Show Spoiler + On October 17 2013 08:35 Mattchew wrote: a lot of soft accusations being thrown at Skanjab1s and dont we always have to lynch the self aware miller or is that some other weird role? Useless observation, then a lynch poke in form of a question like he's unsure about it? Doesn't follow through later. His whole thread contribution is nonexistant so far. What I see is a completely random jump in out of nowhere, to try and buddy yamato. He notices that though, and things go nowhere. On October 17 2013 10:52 Mattchew wrote: i didnt like this "lol", i thought it looked pretty weak Like really, what is the purpose of posts like this? What I find interesting is that he follows up with a "long" post where he responds to each accusation made against him... incredibly poorly. It doesn't even look like a defense to any extent. At the moment I'm leaning scum mostly since I'd expect more of him, rather than a completely useless, null filter. He hasn't really been pushing a pro-scum agenda or anything, but what ticks me off is the complete lack of anything pro-town. StorrZerg: + Show Spoiler + The definition of useless. All he has done in this game is to show up at a few random times to remind everyone that "I think Sn0_Man should die." And this ONLY post where he provides any kind of "content", is hilariously horrible. I'm not sure if he's even trying. It looks more like complete trolling, which is something we do not need. I mean really, check this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052¤tpage=41#814 3 Arguments which of 1st: Some random shit about flavour 2nd: A post read weird to him -> He checks post history -> Thinks it doesn't line up. This sounds like completely pulled from the ass, especially showing no example. 3rd: Lack of activity, which I can agree with. Not necessarily a scumtell though. What I wonder is why he chose to concentrate on Sn0_Man, when there are lots of players that have put out more content and can be made better reads on. It could be a case of bad town makes case on inactive town but... I have my doubts, since he has at no point in the game shown interest in anything else. Palmar: + Show Spoiler + As others have seem to noticed, he is completely fixated on Mocsta's self-aware miller claim. On October 18 2013 05:39 Palmar wrote: Nope, no current scum reads. What Mocsta did is only beneficial to him if he's scum, it's bad and awful for him if he's town. That doesn't mean he must be scum, I've seen enough people do dumb stuff as town. Which is precisely why I want to know what was his intention with the claim. He claims to have no scumreads at all, and he also hints at not having read the thread. Does not provide reasoning for possibly not having two. Doesn't appear to give a fuck about anything else but trying to figure out Mocsta's reasoning for the claim. What I am wondering, does Palmar really think he can't contribute in a better way with all the other content available? We have QTs and we have the thread which grows all the time. I wouldn't mind seeing him lynched. syllogism: + Show Spoiler + On October 17 2013 14:33 syllogism wrote: I wouldn't bother with the statistical probability of there being mafia in only two houses. It's almost certain that roles have abilities that at least somewhat match their flavor and they were designed before their houses were RNGed. That is to say, mafia characters and roles were designed before any RNG and therefore their houses were not chosen randomly. Even if mafia has fake claims the same thing applies; the fake claims must match their house flavors and it seems very unlikely that those fake claims were designed after players were shuffled. All this is quite useless at this stage, but may have some utility in the end game if the game is close. On October 04 2013 05:58 You-Know-Who wrote: Each player is sorted into a house. Each house has 6 players. Players in the same house will be able to share a house QT. Mafia have been randomly distributed into each house. Mafia KP is # of scum/3 rounded up. 4 - 6 scum= 2KP 3 or less scum= 1KP What ticked me off a little about syllos play is this. The rules say that mafia has been randomly distributed into each house. That pretty much completely debunks his posts. I don't say statistics is something that should be trusted completely on, but given a 90%+ chance I think it's quite reasonable to factor in. It's not even close to a coinflip situation, so it's a fair assumption to make that the mafia has the information. I admit I made the same mistake at first until I rechecked the ruleset about this, but what I don't like either is the way he undermines his own post. If you feel it is quite useless at this stage, why share it? Or did he share just for the sake of sharing his thoughts, or does he actually believe this information may be useful in the end-game but not now? On October 17 2013 15:27 syllogism wrote: Do you genuinely think this is a list of "very good observations"? The only actual "observation" of any note and utility is the first one and I would like you to elaborate on that a bit. Did you believe he was playing his Thug Life playstyle when I initially asked as to why you thought he was "pretty obviously" town or was that based on something else? In this post he shares the Gryffindor members which hadn't been done up till that point. I fail to see how that is irrelevant to share with others. Syllo also completely disregards the last point about StorrZerg, which was very valid in my opinion. The usefulness of Pandain's statements can be argued, but in my opinion it's certainly more than syllo gives credit for. In general, syllos posts seem very calm and analytical. They get straight to the point and have anything unnecessary stripped of them. While this could be very good town play, I feel that these are carefully worded posts that leave anything that could be considered from a scum perspective out. This is partly since his posting gives me the feel of someone stating his opinions in many things, but it doesn't seem like he is actually trying to figure anything out. 4 other people I am suspicious of and will make small cases on unless I change my read strongly: rayko (rayn+Koshi) holyflare skanjab1s Vayne Also... I'm looking for smart lovers. Post your application ASAP. I know you can't resist my charm. It is the theme of the game after all. <3 | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9832 Posts
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raynpelikonoshi
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
I agree with your read on Matt & Storr though. I do not think it necessarily makes Matt scum, as he was pretty useless in Noir, do you remember it? -rayn | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9832 Posts
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LastArgument
United States152 Posts
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raynpelikonoshi
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
On October 18 2013 07:06 LastArgument wrote: That post from Cephiro looks ok. Probably enough for him to live today, pending him actually doing other things later as well. Remind me to talk about this tomorrow if i forget. There is something i need to check regarding his post. -rayn | ||
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LastArgument
United States152 Posts
On October 18 2013 07:08 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Remind me to talk about this tomorrow if i forget. There is something i need to check regarding his post. -rayn Okay, I should remember. Mattchew looks more disconnected than his filter does in LXII. The suspicion on him seems warranted. | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13910 Posts
nearly 24 hours since his last post Useless townie, and imo SCUM @Cephiro i don't need to hold your hand do I? I'm pretty easy to pick a part and i know that. I'm not that eloquent with my wording, or making nice pretty posts like you. So why don't you listen to some kara, and take a step back and relook. Lets kill this scum. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9832 Posts
I don't think he would do this if he was scum because he would be "testing the waters" of his posts in the scum QT and wouldn't put it in the house QT first to see if his posts made sense. It wasn't a post that was accidentally posted in the wrong QT. I think he's trying he's just new to forum mafia. | ||
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raynpelikonoshi
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
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LastArgument
United States152 Posts
On October 18 2013 07:18 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Actually LA scratch it. Compare Cephiro's filters from scum!Noir and town!Aperture. Which one does his post look like? I'm not going to go read other games right now, but the post looks markedly less whiny than the posts I read in LXII. | ||
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raynpelikonoshi
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
On October 18 2013 07:20 LastArgument wrote: I'm not going to go read other games right now, but the post looks markedly less whiny than the posts I read in LXII. You would be surprised about the amount of "whiny" there is in our house QT from him.. You just need to read the first page of Ceph in Aperture. Here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=424349&user=Cephiro | ||
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raynpelikonoshi
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
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justanothertownie
16309 Posts
Palmar if you are town please don't limit yourself to this SAM thing - yeah I get that you have to make this a primary topic... I am not in the position to critisize someone for not having the time to read the thread but if you do please give us some other thoughts. I did not read many of your games but I watched the video of hero mafia and I am sure you have some useful things to share if you read the thread. I really don't see the point in limiting yourself to Mocsta discussion... | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
People are defending "slow" players too like it's their god given right to stay in the game. This IMO is utter shit play. You can sit on reads like Palmar to day 3 only to find out he was actually scum all you want, but I will not do it. It does not prove he is town to me and if he continues playing like that during day 1 my vote could most definitely end up on him. Meta works, to an extent, but slow play meta is something I despise. That being said I want to steer this town in the correct direction so some of you people can actually pull your fingers out of your arses and we can win the game. SO; Palmar + Show Spoiler + This guy..... Yeh, great, he's a veteran. He is also in my house QT. Does that excuse him from playing the same game as we are playing? No. On October 17 2013 23:27 Palmar wrote: @Mocsta: Why did you claim the self-aware miller? What's the point? What did you hope to achieve? This is literally the only question he asks in the entire thread so far, it's been a while too. Sure, Mocsta hasn't replied yet, so you'd think he'd be doing something more productive at this point. How can it be possible for us to determine what role he is if he doesn't say a thing in the entire thread other than he's waiting for mocsta. Furthermore, + Show Spoiler + On October 18 2013 05:43 Palmar wrote: Where did I say I've read the thread? And no, I want to have a conversation with him. Mocsta has posted much more then a self-aware miller claim. Surely it would be nice to hear about that too? Or anyone else? I am most comfortable lynching him today. Call it policy, call it scummy behaviour, call it what you will. This is a game where you contribute so that we can determine who you are. Riding through days does not do this. Stutters695 + Show Spoiler + Did not honestly realise this guy was in the game until I re-checked the thread. What can I say? 4 total posts in the entire game so far and the only one that really counts is: On October 18 2013 03:22 Stutters695 wrote: Last time I played with Palmar was YANMM or LX or some big game where he argued really strongly in favor of policy lynching a claimed SAM in similar circumstances as town. I'd like to see him contribute more, but as of now, I think his frustration is genuine. This defence on Palmer who has literally done nothing in the entire game so far other than question Mocsta on a miller claim is a bit odd to say the least. Why would you specifically mention Palmer over everyone else in the game so far? There are a LOT of pages to go by but he only mentions a bit of meta from another game. It's ok though, he justifies things: On October 18 2013 03:56 Stutters695 wrote: As far as I remember I've never seen him roll scum/read a game where he is, but I would expect more out of him in line with emulating his usual play. If he was lazy in his last scum game I'm probably off on this, but off of memory he spent most of d1 in that game I'm talking about just crying for a policy lynch on whoever claimed. Basically I don't have faith he'll flip scum based off of this, but I'll follow up on it next time I get to a pc to browse older games. He's never seen a Palmer scum game, he's basing meta off one town game when he has no idea how he'd react as another faction. This seems overly defensive, it looks like he knows his alignment. Either way, he's not talking about other things, he's not active. Comfortable with this lynch too. Sn0_Man + Show Spoiler + Yes, storrzerg makes sense, even if he is looking tunnely in the thread. In the QT at least it's a bit of a different story. This was storr's case The only thing I add to it that was criticised by Ceph is evidence. This is his desert mini mafia filter he was town in this game and at least posted quite a lot. His posts were informative and had elements of scum hunting. Definitely different from this game due to activity, even his first few posts aren't really the same. There are a lot of people in this game, a lot of filters to dive through. I've been reading and re-reading but there is nothing blatantly scummy that I can wholeheartedly see yet. There are one or two suspicions I have that I want to see played out and I will be pressing some people over things later, but for now one of these 3 I will be comfortable lynching. Stutters, I will give the benefit of the doubt to as he said he will be reaching a PC. Sn0 or Palmar are therefore my choices. I want to hear their responses before I confirm my vote direction though. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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(in mafia game not irl)
