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July617
United States72 Posts
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
No suggestion to make town active? By saying people that don't contribute will be put on the chopping block, you indirectly put pressure on them and you give something to talk about. It's either this or proposing RNG, which Odin did. Organizing around you: yes, you will probably die day 1, it is no big deal. I don't think we can make a late game plan for the rest of the game centering around some1. In my opinion it's better to get structure even if it is only for the first day than none at all. You are the only confirmed town, if you can direct the conversation like you are trying to do in that last post then we will be on a good road for the rest of the game, whether you're alive or not. My nyxnyxnyx distrust: Yo I am town, I feel alone, I have no clue who is who. So I am here trying to figure out who looks mafia, there comes nyxnyxnyx saying he will blindly follow Odin... Like if it was me, I would never do that, there are so many factors and I don't want to be that guy that got fooled by the mafia on his first game. So yeah it looks very weird to me, especially because of how apologetic everything is in his post. My lack of content: It is true, I guess I focused more on trying to get other people to talk than to actually say what I think so there it is; You put July617 as your other strongest tell, I just find it odd that you don't include Vonthin in it too. For me they are basically the same person right now, they don't like the RNG solution and are waiting for more stuff to happen before deciding their vote. I don't like it because it doesn't help anyone to not share what you think and waiting for others to do the talking. Again back at my I don't like innactives thingy. I honestly don't feel them particularly suspicious although i get more nervous with every hour that passes where they haven't posted. That's what I have on the topics that you put and I think should be focused on. Now since I will leave in an hour or so I will leave the hightest ranked persons on my personal scumlist: number 1; and I feel a bit dirty about agreeing with mitt: playerboy345. It appears to me that the only talks about inconcecuential things: RNG proposition and E00e's miss use of words (the cop thing) number 2; onlywonderboy. Just absolute nothingness, honestly I think he has said even less than july. I'm not too sure how to express it but, all of what he says is merely looking at the problem, saying "yeah it can be either that or that" and ending on that. "organizing is fine, but if you are mistaken it will be bad" "lynching lurkers is cool, but so is lynching suspicious persons" "he could be scum.. or not" "mitt is making a bad play for his team, whether it's town or mafia" nyxnyxnyx for reasons I explained above, but to reiterate I am unable to trust anyone on day 1 if he's not 100% confirmed. And again I will say it, if nyx really wants to trust someone, there's the confirmed town right here before his eyes, why not take it instead of making a leap of faith? | ||
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playerboy345
Netherlands194 Posts
I'll go read through the thread now, will post thoughts afterwards. | ||
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Balla24
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Vonthin
United States2864 Posts
##vote: istandwithmitt Agree with the other people who voted for him(Suess/Odin), posts are really negative and bring bad attention to him, he might just be a townie with poor communication skills but still has the highest chances for being a scum from what I've read | ||
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
SagaZ (0): playerboy345 (1): istandwithmitt istandwithmitt (5): GGTeMpLaR, OdinOfPergo, Seuss, nyxnyxnyx, Vonthin Not voting (7): playerboy345, Balla24, SagaZ, onlywonderboy, July617, E00e, Bereft Currently, istandwithmitt is set to be lynched. to deadline. Remember, voting is mandatory! If there are errors, please let us know. | ||
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playerboy345
Netherlands194 Posts
On October 15 2013 02:46 OdinOfPergo wrote: + Show Spoiler + On October 14 2013 17:53 E00e wrote: Yes it is good that people talk, however there might be other more rewarding ways to do that. I think that meta discussions about this topic are pointless too, so I wont argue about that more. Could you explain your rage about the last paragraph? From your post I dont understand the problem with it and I said everything very calmly and careful. PB followed with this The last line irks me about this post. Suess is right about this. Why are you jumping on him so hard? It's plain as day to me he just made a mistake. You should probably of followed up in a manner such as I just did a paragraph above this one. This looks pretty bad from other perspectives. It isn't enough for me to change my read on you yet. But you'd best explain the reasoning behind this attempt at a bandwagon. You're trying to flesh people out. I like that. But you do actually need to have evidence for your claims. + Show Spoiler + On October 14 2013 17:53 playerboy345 wrote: I'm against lynching afkers. Lurkers are kind of a different story though, we have to force those to post. Honestly your suggesting isn't lynching someone randomly, it's lynching whoever is the scummiest (something I agree with). Lynching afkers should never happen in my opinion as it's more likely to set us back then anything else. I HATE E00e!!!! SERIOUSLY WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? I'm not jumping on him, I'm just extremely pissed off at that post in general. I didn't want to completely explain my thought process because that way scum doesn't have to do anything and I'm just spitting everything out for them :/ I read EE0e's post as a soft role-claim. What does this do for us at DAY FUCKING ONE? Even if he isn't a cop, WHY DO YOU EVEN BRING IT UP? I think most people are smart enough not to claim their BLUE role at the beginning of day 1 when there is basically no danger of being lynched or any information in the game for that matter. I think he just gave scum an easy target to nightkill, but then again they could also target town leaders (in which case they could just nightkill him day 2 or push a lynch on him because he hasn't been targeted that night (if he is indeed town)). On October 14 2013 16:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I think between SagaZ and istandwithmitt, at most one of them is mafia. SagaZ's first post is somewhat suspicious but istandwithmitt instantly going so hard on him is just as suspicious because it seems like such an easy target at that point. There's no way they're both mafia together. It's possible both are town, but if we gain information that one of them is mafia, it would clear the other as town I'd say. Ballsy. What makes you think that if one is mafia the other can't be? On October 15 2013 02:54 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I'd like to think this is a pro-town post because I agree with your point about the afk-lynch discussion when we've still got like 36 hours left to decide. I don't know what to make of you siding with istandwithmitt against SagaZ yet as it could mean a lot of different things based on what assumptions I go with. For example: -If SagaZ is mafia and istandwithmitt is town, you could be bussing your mafia under the table OR you could just be getting a good mafia read like another townie. -If SagaZ is town and istandwithmitt is mafia, you could be working with your mafia to go for a relatively easy and suspicious first lynch OR you could just be drawing an incorrect mafia read as a well-meaning townie. And I'm not sure what to make of your last paragraph regarding the cop. According to you, it's too early to discuss lynching afks because we have a lot of time left on Day 1 (which I agree with), but youre willing to go even further and discuss on what circumstances in future days the cop should come out? I'd say it's too early to discuss that as well here, or possibly not even relevant as maybe it's something you should ask your coach. Okay so you think he is pro-town because a first post and because he agrees on something with you? I'm sorry, I don't agree with your read here. So instead of analysing this post word for word (I barely slept today and I don't want to delay this post too much as I want to put some content out there) I'll just ask you why you are so sure that either SagaZ OR istwithandmitt are scum (and why they can't be scum mates) On October 15 2013 03:18 Seuss wrote: I think it's fair to assume E00e simply didn't know discussing the cop wasn't useful. When he got pounced on for his poor suggestion no one explained why it was bad. In fact, it wasn't until a few posts ago that the explanation actually came out (i.e. the cop should only announce themselves if they're going to get lynched). Despite the vitriol thrown at him, E00e was polite and tried to kill the flaming. At the moment suspecting him of anything beyond being a newbie is a waste of time. Not useful? I disagree, it's DISADVANTAGEOUS for town to be discussing blue roles, especially this early in the game. Also I'm sorry for being a bit harsh with my posting, it's just that his post came off as a soft-claim which could mean we lost a blue role tonight. On October 15 2013 04:35 istandwithmitt wrote: ##vote: playerboy345 This guy is posting nothingness. Trying to get people to make calls while actually providing nothing wrt scumminess of players. You all can bandwagon this vote, no worries. Well, see ya Nice analysis mate, town will win for sure if you keep up like this. /sarcasm Seriously IF you are going to vote me you better provide some thoughts and refer to posts that make you think I am scum so I can defend myself, oh and might I add it is time for you to defend yourself instead of trying to fend it off by blaming someone else? On October 15 2013 04:42 istandwithmitt wrote: Yeah sorry for posting about who I think is scum. That is not the problem - the problem is not backing it up properly with evidence/arguments. On October 15 2013 04:47 istandwithmitt wrote: I just posted who I think is scum. I'm not going to try & convince people I'm town (hint: it's because it's impossible). If you think I'm scum, you should have a reason for it & not "LOL wtf." Hope this helps! You GOT to be kidding me right now, the goal of town is to convince people you are town, and hint - no it's not impossible. AND WE SHOULD POST REASONING, DUDE ARE YOU EVEN SERIOUS RIGHT NOW? READ THROUGH YOUR OWN POSTS. You better flip scum if you get lynched tonight..... Ok so I read the post you posted after the one above and I'm not even going to bother reading it, you are purely repeating yourself. ##VOTE:istandwithmitt On October 15 2013 05:06 istandwithmitt wrote: How about instead of posting about how I'm unpleasant or whatever the argument is right now, people tell me what they think of playerboy especially wrt what I posted about him. Well, see ya .... you bring nothing to the table, if you are town you are the worst townie in the history of mafia. On October 15 2013 11:27 Bereft wrote: ok i'm back. reading thru the thread, i'd like to caution people against jumping on the mitt vote. i think what we need to decide on is whether we want to (a) vote a useless townie who might be scum or (b) vote an active townie who we have a strong scum read on. the reason why i'd caution town to vote mitt is because before the game even started, i was doing some joke votes and istandwithmitt goes: if we had gotten our pm's at this point, i would have thought this was some miserable scum play. but role pm's hadn't even been sent out at that point! so in conclusion, just keep in mind his in-game posting seems much in line with his pre-game posting. i think worst case if by the end of d1 we don't see a strong scum case against anyone in particular, mitt is an easy candidate. however given that we have another 24 hours at this point, let's not get pigeon-holed on mitt as there may be stronger candidates out there. i for one would perhaps put Vonthin and GGTemplar in that list, depending on what kind of posts they make in the next 24 hours. not necessarily saying i think they're scum at the moment, but i would like to hear more from them. the reason i'm singling these 2 out atm is because GGTemplar randomly hones into a pretty mild exchange between Sagaz and mitt and starts postulating about in what scenarios Sagaz is mafia or mitt is mafia, but them both being mafia are mutually exclusive. this seems like either an attempt to appear helpful while not being helpful at all, or a misguided attempt to be helpful, as their exchange seemed pretty minor / un-noteworthy and he's not providing any real analysis but more like game theory. as for Vonthin, all he does is jump upon the RNG proposal with a massive amount of risk aversion. in this kind of situation, i'm inclined to find mafia to be more risk averse than a townie. as mafia, you'd like to avoid being in the hot seat at any cost possible, whereas as town, my general feeling is that i'm less afraid of being scrutinized because i have nothing to hide. Vonthin also seems to completely miss the fact that Odin isn't actually proposing an RNG, but implicitly proposing RNG as a means to an end -- as a tool to force people to do their best to wriggle out of the hot seat. To be honest - I want him to defend himself because he isn't even trying at this point. If he flips town we basically lost a townie due to him not giving a fuck and are behind. Pre-game posting doesn't mean anything, in my opinion, and more importantly, it doesn't excuse him from making horrible posts and leaving the thread with one-liners. | ||
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playerboy345
Netherlands194 Posts
On October 15 2013 18:54 SagaZ wrote: That's what I have on the topics that you put and I think should be focused on. Now since I will leave in an hour or so I will leave the hightest ranked persons on my personal scumlist: number 1; and I feel a bit dirty about agreeing with mitt: playerboy345. It appears to me that the only talks about inconcecuential things: RNG proposition and E00e's miss use of words (the cop thing) I'm sorry but I disagree, I'd advise you to read through my filter, if you still think so afterwards feel free to point me to the posts. | ||
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Bereft
United States1007 Posts
On October 15 2013 20:45 Vonthin wrote: After catching up after I went to sleep/work I am casting my vote for istandwithmitt ##vote: istandwithmitt Agree with the other people who voted for him(Suess/Odin), posts are really negative and bring bad attention to him, he might just be a townie with poor communication skills but still has the highest chances for being a scum from what I've read seriously? has the "highest chances for being a scum" based on what analysis exactly? did you even read my or Seuss' post? ##Vote: Vonthin | ||
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playerboy345
Netherlands194 Posts
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Bereft
United States1007 Posts
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
SagaZ (0): playerboy345 (1): istandwithmitt istandwithmitt (6): GGTeMpLaR, OdinOfPergo, Seuss, nyxnyxnyx, Vonthin, playerboy345 Vonthin (1): Bereft Not voting (5): Balla24, SagaZ, onlywonderboy, July617, E00e Currently, istandwithmitt is set to be lynched. to deadline. Remember, voting is mandatory! If there are errors, please let us know. | ||
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playerboy345
Netherlands194 Posts
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
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playerboy345
Netherlands194 Posts
##UNVOTE ##VOTE:Vonthin istandwithmitt won't provide us with anything and he is getting bandwagoned hard. | ||
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playerboy345
Netherlands194 Posts
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playerboy345
Netherlands194 Posts
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Vonthin
United States2864 Posts
On October 15 2013 22:29 Bereft wrote: seriously? has the "highest chances for being a scum" based on what analysis exactly? did you even read my or Seuss' post? ##Vote: Vonthin I did read your post and Suess' posts Here is reasons why I voted for him 1. He is super quick to jump the gun to lynch someone, votes after seeing SagaZ's very first post saying we should lynch inactive 2. His very next post he switches and votes for playerboy by saying he posts nothing worthwhile(he has some point here, a good portion of his posts don't say much besides i agree with x but a lot of those posts came after he voted against him) 3. Makes shit posts saying things like "Good poast" after someone votes against him, then just proceeds to argue poorly trying to justify his voting and being 2 confrontational plus no real analysis. He seems the scummiest to me, there are some people that seem scummy but nothing as glaring as him. I am still contemplating switching my vote to Nyx but want to see another post or two from him. Reasons for thinking he is scum so far: Hasn't said almost anything besides that he is gonna blindly follow Odin when he isn't a confirmed town and that odin has a plan because we don't have one the townies auto lose! Then he just posts once more saying he is voting for Mitt and nothing else | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
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