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Ok. I have a scum read on nyx, agree with E00e on this one..
Unfortunately it's not much since he hasn't done or said much, it's a gut feeling. He starts the game by blindly following Odin (who was just posting to start conversation, imo) and then suddenly switches his vote to Vonthin for either of the following reasons: (1) people called him out on randomly following Odin so he decides to follow other people or (2) Vonthin voted him.
He hasn't given any other reasoning for his play besides the fact that it's good to have town leaders to follow and a plan. I'm not liking him. However, I am hesitant to cast a vote because Vonthin casted a vote on him and he is also under suspicion from other players.
I'm on the fence with my read for Vonthin because he has some substance to his posts and posted his plan beforehand, the switch to nyx makes sense. I'd like to know why he's willing to let up on istandwithmitt, is it because you agree on what others have said about him or what?
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Vote (slave) count unchained:
SagaZ (0): istandwithmitt
playerboy345 (0): istandwithmitt
istandwithmitt (3): GGTeMpLaR, OdinOfPergo, Seuss, nyxnyxnyx, Vonthin, playerboy345, istandwithmitt
Vonthin (4): Bereft, playerboy345, Seuss, nyxnyxnyx
nyxnyxnyx (2): Vonthin, E00e
Not voting (4): Balla24, SagaZ, onlywonderboy, July617
Currently, Vonthin is set to be lynched.
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On October 16 2013 03:54 Balla24 wrote:
Ok. I have a scum read on nyx, agree with E00e on this one..
Unfortunately it's not much since he hasn't done or said much, it's a gut feeling. He starts the game by blindly following Odin (who was just posting to start conversation, imo) and then suddenly switches his vote to Vonthin for either of the following reasons: (1) people called him out on randomly following Odin so he decides to follow other people or (2) Vonthin voted him.
He hasn't given any other reasoning for his play besides the fact that it's good to have town leaders to follow and a plan. I'm not liking him. However, I am hesitant to cast a vote because Vonthin casted a vote on him and he is also under suspicion from other players.
I'm on the fence with my read for Vonthin because he has some substance to his posts and posted his plan beforehand, the switch to nyx makes sense. I'd like to know why he's willing to let up on istandwithmitt, is it because you agree on what others have said about him or what?
Did you read his past couple of posts? Looks like Mittgave up and will most likely be mod killed, even if he isn't gonna be mod killed there isn't a point in killing him today since we pretty much know everything about him and nyx started to look really scummy to me so I switched to him like I said I would if I saw someone who looked scummier than mitt, nyx looks incapable of forming an opinion for himself and just follows everyone else which doesn't really seem like a thing a townie would do.
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Also one of the reasons(not that good of a reason tho imo) I initially voted for Mitt at the time was that I wasn't sure I would have time to be on and cast a vote before the deadline and he seemed like an alright choice at the time since everyone else voted and no one looked scummy enough to warrant a vote yet.
Anyways I have to go to work now and won't be back till late tonight unless I have time to check on my phone, hopefully I'm not hanged but it looks like I am just for disagreeing with a stupid rng plan and then hoping on an obvious bandwagon that people were starting to get off :/
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The last time I will be able to check this thread for today (ingame day) is in 20 minutes. Just saying this so you wont be confused why I didnt change my vote if someone posts something important later.
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Back, so july still hasn't said shit. At least Vonthin has.
Mitt to me looks like a third party role: a serial killer.
What I think is he took the power to be immune to alignment checks, so now he plays extremely over the top mafia so we really don't feel comfortable lynching him, but since his cop check is going to be town he gets the free pass to play bad town, not help with anything and do his business at night. He has no problem pointing fingers at everyone with reasoning because for him he doesn't need one. Everyone is his enemy so he is happy with anyone dying. His last voting for himself move looks to me like a very bad martyr play.
I might be totally mistaken but this is how I see it, he plays in a way that is horrible for town if he is town, and horrible for mafia if he is mafia; I want to think there's more to this.
Vonthin looks scummier by the hour, he jumps on the mitt's ship, gets called out on it then backtracks. To go for a ??? vote on nyxnyxnyx. So I will say it, as you guys know I think nyxnyxnyx looks scummy. But how in hell would you go from a mitt vote to a nyx vote? it just doesn't makes sense, I feel like nyx is a direct downgrade to mitt in term of voting: they both don't say shit of any sort and make weird decision. Only that mitt looks completly crazy and nyx just looks lost. At this point in time I hightly doubt we will get more info out of a nyx lynch than the few that we get from a mitt lynch, so yeah, it is not the fact that he votes for nyx that bothers me, it's the fact that he unvotes mitt to go to nyx, and saying he switched because he wants more information, which is a direct contradiction with his vote.
We still have some time, Vonthin is under heavy fire and I hope he posts a good defense, july and onlywonderboy haven't say jack shit, nyx is still useless.
##Vote: istandwithmitt
I explained my serial killer theory, even if I'm all up to kill scum, a killer going rampage in our town is one more kill at night. It is a role against town and lowering the amounts of deaths as soon as day 1 is too much tempting of an offer. And even if he isn't serial killer, he looks at least 70% mafia to me.
If you guys think the serial killer theory is dumb and you'd rather focus votes on people that will give info I will change my vote.
What I'd really like is to see: Vonthin making a defense, Istandwithmitt making a real defense. July answering to Seuss interogations and onlywonderboy's toughts.
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U.S timezone's people, give me a break, this is day 1 here, day one and we've had four players being called for a lynch and a mighty big bandwagon going on with mitt nyx and vothin, with the exception of vothin right now, yes nyx and mitt do seem like viable choices, but are your reads really that sure that they're mafia? We could be lynching bad town and losing votes we may need later on down the road, I'd like to not have a reason to vote for mitt, but the way he's acting will only worsen with time. I'd like to believe that it will worsen with time but I really don't know, and I have to go with the fact's here and the fact's are that we need the town as strong and as trusted as can be if we're going to want to win, having bad and erratic play isn't helping us .
That's my opinion on the matter.
##Vote istandwithmitt
Nyx dont pressure vote, pressure voting is how mafia infiltrates peoples ranks, just explain yourself more, and be exact and absolute with your points.
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On October 16 2013 01:06 Seuss wrote:Also, I really highly doubt E00e was role claiming. If you check his post history he was asking about the cop before the game even started. There's a chance he's the cop, but he couldn't have known he was going to be the cop when he first asked questions about how the cop worked.
Okay, so there is a chance he is not a cop, but it still annoys the crap out of me, why would you EVER discuss anything related to cops on the beginning of day 1? It just doesn't make sense to me, if you need information about such stuff you should ask your coach.
On October 16 2013 01:38 Balla24 wrote:
One thing I would like to mention, though, that is somewhat irrelevant at the moment but might be relevant tomorrow: the E00 cop thing. In my opinion, e00's post was a perfectly reasonable topic (when should cop come out?) to talk about, albeit at a bad time since there were already several moving pieces in the game at that point. What is interesting however, is how playerboy jumps on it as if it was the worst possible thing a townie could do. It's like he didn't even think about what e00 was actually saying and wanted to gain town cred by stopping him from talking about something that he shouldn't be talking about (which would be things like, who cop should check, who doctor should save etc etc etc). Suspicious. I just wanted to get this out there so I don't forget tomorrow.
Lastly I'd like to apologize for not being around for the first 36 hours, but I am now fully active and will be until the end of the game (people from last game can vouch for my activity levels). Something came up and I had to go out of town where I barely had any time to read the thread and post from my phone.
Perfectly reasonable, not at the start of day 1 though. And yes I jumped on him because I read it as soft-claiming cop, which is as you will most likely agree, retarded to do at day 1. Also even though it may not matter all that much in this game, you played mafia with me last game and should sort of know my playstyle, I wouldn't try to gain town cred by jumping on someone but I'd use other methods.
On October 16 2013 02:03 E00e wrote:
And by the way dont be fooled into agreeing with me because you think I am as playerboy put it soft claiming cop.
I will neither confirm nor deny that I am the cop but in any case I dont think there is enough evidence to follow me so you should not do it.
Why do you feel the need to point this out? It might be just me but I feel like you are trying too hard to look towny. (It looks like a similair mistake I made in my first game where I was mafia.)
On October 16 2013 05:07 SagaZ wrote:
Back, so july still hasn't said shit. At least Vonthin has.
Mitt to me looks like a third party role: a serial killer.
What I think is he took the power to be immune to alignment checks, so now he plays extremely over the top mafia so we really don't feel comfortable lynching him, but since his cop check is going to be town he gets the free pass to play bad town, not help with anything and do his business at night. He has no problem pointing fingers at everyone with reasoning because for him he doesn't need one. Everyone is his enemy so he is happy with anyone dying. His last voting for himself move looks to me like a very bad martyr play.
I might be totally mistaken but this is how I see it, he plays in a way that is horrible for town if he is town, and horrible for mafia if he is mafia; I want to think there's more to this.
Vonthin looks scummier by the hour, he jumps on the mitt's ship, gets called out on it then backtracks. To go for a ??? vote on nyxnyxnyx. So I will say it, as you guys know I think nyxnyxnyx looks scummy. But how in hell would you go from a mitt vote to a nyx vote? it just doesn't makes sense, I feel like nyx is a direct downgrade to mitt in term of voting: they both don't say shit of any sort and make weird decision. Only that mitt looks completly crazy and nyx just looks lost. At this point in time I hightly doubt we will get more info out of a nyx lynch than the few that we get from a mitt lynch, so yeah, it is not the fact that he votes for nyx that bothers me, it's the fact that he unvotes mitt to go to nyx, and saying he switched because he wants more information, which is a direct contradiction with his vote.
We still have some time, Vonthin is under heavy fire and I hope he posts a good defense, july and onlywonderboy haven't say jack shit, nyx is still useless.
##Vote: istandwithmitt
I explained my serial killer theory, even if I'm all up to kill scum, a killer going rampage in our town is one more kill at night. It is a role against town and lowering the amounts of deaths as soon as day 1 is too much tempting of an offer. And even if he isn't serial killer, he looks at least 70% mafia to me.
If you guys think the serial killer theory is dumb and you'd rather focus votes on people that will give info I will change my vote.
What I'd really like is to see: Vonthin making a defense, Istandwithmitt making a real defense. July answering to Seuss interogations and onlywonderboy's toughts.
I don't necessarily agree, yes mitt's way of playing is extremely ballsy/annoying/not pro-town but playing that way as a SK would be risky and I feel like a non-risky pretending to be pro-town way of playing is the way to go. I might be wrong ofcourse but I think he is more of an annoying troll then a SK.
I truly have the feeling he will flip town, there is just way too many people bandwagoning on him because he is such an easy target. Just leave him be for today, maybe he'll get modkilled or killed by a vigi.
is it possible to vote for a modkill?
onlywonderboy, you better start posting if you don't want this ending for you the same way it did in your first game. You are low on content, again and it really doesn't help your case.
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is it possible to vote for a modkill?
no.
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I have to sleep soon, so if you guys are here please post some thoughts.
I hate you for making the deadline at 2am for me Umasi.
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as an aside, I'm at a lab during the lynch, Lonemeow is handling the lynch and nightpost. give him your love for being the best there ever was.
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I understand you don't like E00e mentioning cop, but why do you go so hard on it?
Also you switched your vote to Vonthin from mitt. Do you believe mitt is not mafia? Or do you keep him in your mafia zone but want to get info from somewhere else today? Is it going to be the same day 2, what about the rest of the game?
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The good, the bad and the vote (slave) count:
SagaZ (0): istandwithmitt
playerboy345 (0): istandwithmitt
istandwithmitt (5): GGTeMpLaR, OdinOfPergo, Seuss, nyxnyxnyx, Vonthin, playerboy345, istandwithmitt, SagaZ, July617
Vonthin (4): Bereft, playerboy345, Seuss, nyxnyxnyx
nyxnyxnyx (2): Vonthin, E00e
Not voting (2): Balla24, onlywonderboy
Currently, istandwithmitt is set to be lynched.
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Why I go hard on it? Because at that moment I felt like he just gave mafia an easy target (or if he is mafia he made an extremely ballsy move), I really don't want to discuss too much about what mafia could do as it would just work in their favour.
Yes I switched my vote from mitt, didn't you see the incredible amount of votes he received at first? Doesn't that strike you as suspicious? I have the feeling mafia is/was just bandwagoning on him. I believe mitt is useless, can't really get a read on someone that posts one-liners containing nothing but a fuck it all attitude. I'm really just hoping that he will be killed and don't feel like he is worth the amount of votes.
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On October 16 2013 05:46 July617 wrote:
U.S timezone's people, give me a break, this is day 1 here, day one and we've had four players being called for a lynch and a mighty big bandwagon going on with mitt nyx and vothin, with the exception of vothin right now, yes nyx and mitt do seem like viable choices, but are your reads really that sure that they're mafia? We could be lynching bad town and losing votes we may need later on down the road, I'd like to not have a reason to vote for mitt, but the way he's acting will only worsen with time. I'd like to believe that it will worsen with time but I really don't know, and I have to go with the fact's here and the fact's are that we need the town as strong and as trusted as can be if we're going to want to win, having bad and erratic play isn't helping us .
That's my opinion on the matter.
##Vote istandwithmitt
Nyx dont pressure vote, pressure voting is how mafia infiltrates peoples ranks, just explain yourself more, and be exact and absolute with your points.
I'm pretty much sure you're mafia at this point. I'd be willing to bet my (virtual) life on it.
As bad and erratic as mitt's play has been, he's honestly contributed more than you have, which is saying a lot. Even this post is filled with meaningless statements and contradictions. You cry bandwagon and then hop on one. You warn us against lynching bad town players and then call us to lynch one.
At this point it's all or nothing. I'm willing to wager that Vonthin is mafia on the basis that I think you're mafia and have nothing to gain from saving Vonthin otherwise. If he flips mafia you're next on the chopping block.
Of course if he flips town then I'm probably wrong and will be extremely apologetic provided I'm still alive.
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On October 16 2013 06:26 SagaZ wrote:
I understand you don't like E00e mentioning cop, but why do you go so hard on it?
Also you switched your vote to Vonthin from mitt. Do you believe mitt is not mafia? Or do you keep him in your mafia zone but want to get info from somewhere else today? Is it going to be the same day 2, what about the rest of the game?
I very strongly believe mitt isn't mafia. I think he's just a really bad town player. There's no point in killing him because our worst case scenario is that he just keeps posting short one-liners than everyone can ignore. Best case he either starts actually playing or gets himself modkilled.
I'd appreciate it if you'd swap your vote away from mitt for that reason. I'd prefer that we lynch July617, but at this point Vonthin is an amenable alternative.
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On October 16 2013 02:39 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2013 02:10 istandwithmitt wrote:
I came to play but literally all anyone can say is that I'm trolling or worthless. I just want to get this over with at this point. Playing mafia is 90% communication. I'm not sure what you expected was going to happen when you made terse, confrontational posts your modus operandi. If you want to play, play. The only thing that's stopping you from communicating with us is you. If you'd just gone into detail about why you jumped on SagaZ so fast and why you swapped to playerboy345, rather than blithely posting "good poast" and "Yeah sorry for posting about who I think is scum." you wouldn't be the social pariah you are now.
I explained both my votes when I made them & only replied tersely to people who couldn't be bothered to respond or think.
Well, see ya
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##unvote
##Vote July617
TBH Vonthin looks like a really good lynch candidate, I already said what i tough about him in my last post, but all my suspicion comes from his latest posts in the thread.
On the other hand July617 still hasn't said anything worthwhile, and is looking to slip under suspicion because of the huge Vonthin vote train.
So if the discussion is to get centered around those I'd like July617 to get some more heat so the vote gets to an actual meaningful decision, and not just a bandwagon vote.
I don't really understand why you think these two are linked together tho, the only interaction between those 2 is that they've both been against RNG votes. I'm not saying they're not both mafia, I'm just curious about the interaction mechanism you see between them.
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Dude stop saying "Well, see ya" and unvote, don't ruin this game.
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Seus, I have nothing left to give you, Im bashing my head on the desk trying to figure out what I can do to make you see that I am town . I explained my vote on mitt and yet you still seem to believe i'm mafia, even going as far as saying you'd bet your "virtual life" on it . I don't know what to say, I've tried explaining myself but you just continue to call it useless and meaningless, if that's how you see it then so be it . I have nothing else to say to you because It seems like your stuck on this tirade of me being mafia, you asked me for my opinion and i gave it to you .
Yeah I jumped on the bandwagon, because at this point mitt is no use to us as a town player, he continues to write even less then myself and he doesn't seem to care anymore, why are we keeping him around then? You're saying he's contributed more than me ? I'm doing what you asked me to do in your previous post, I gave my opinion and now i'm getting attacked again by you for the one thing you wanted me to do .
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