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On September 23 2013 22:38 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 23 2013 22:34 marvellosity wrote:
It's funny, because I'd say the players who played in Desert should be the ones with decent townreads on me by now. Why exactly? Because my play is pretty dissimilar, the way I've asked questions and gone about things is quite different. People in Desert *just saw* my mafia play.
Yeah.. dunno.. thats a very simplied thing to say.
In reality, you were on a scum team filled with 2 lurkers and yourself.
FACT: Thats demotivating.
I understand that the champions game would have a much bigger pull to produce effort, but the quality of your play there I think is quite clearly >>> the play in this game.
I dont have a hard lean on you; so the above is just my musings.
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On September 23 2013 23:20 Koshi wrote:
As for the scumreads that you want me to give.
Mocsta selfclaimed voice of reasoning hasn't been around last couple of hours, should be good hour for aussies. Bad feeling about him. Not sure. Its D1. Depends if he picks shit up.
Wat the fuck is this shit?
Cos I have a life outside mafia, im scum? Pick fucking what up?
Man, i dont think you are mafia; and i still dotn think rayn is mafia.
Im sick of you accusing me of being mafia. MAN THE FUCK UP, AND MAKE A CASE
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On September 23 2013 23:24 marvellosity wrote:
I'll tell you the oddest thing about Mocsta from my perspective.
He came into the thread with his Chairman case, and was really convinced by it, and upheld it repeatedly.
Then Wave expressed some kinda doubts and Mocsta is like "oh yeah, hmm" and just unvotes like that. Seems like he was pushed off it really easily given how absolutely convinced he sounded about it.
Yep. And did you think the panic from knowing there was only a short time to deadline was fake?
I ask, because I think the tell *IS* alignment indicative.
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On September 24 2013 00:21 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 22:38 marvellosity wrote:On September 23 2013 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 23 2013 22:34 marvellosity wrote:
It's funny, because I'd say the players who played in Desert should be the ones with decent townreads on me by now. Why exactly? Because my play is pretty dissimilar, the way I've asked questions and gone about things is quite different. People in Desert *just saw* my mafia play. Yeah.. dunno.. thats a very simplied thing to say. In reality, you were on a scum team filled with 2 lurkers and yourself. FACT: Thats demotivating.
I understand that the champions game would have a much bigger pull to produce effort, but the quality of your play there I think is quite clearly >>> the play in this game. I dont have a hard lean on you; so the above is just my musings.
You have no idea how to judge my play, so don't try.
Day 1 in that game I also contrived to lynch the cop and didn't do that much else.
And I wasn't demotivated by my team in Desert in the slightest.
Stop just saying things Moc, it's annoying.
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On September 23 2013 23:51 Zaragon wrote:
Feels like Rayn is going to be stuck as scum for me after this vote. I already didn't like his play, and now it has gone from slightly scum to solidly scum.
Tofu is likely scum. Town is in a bad situation if he isn't, because that means mafia votes are diffused and less meaningful. But I'll assume town is in a good position, and he is. That makes my Mocsta town read go back up to solid.
The rest of the scum crowd is then probably distributed between Sentinel, Cheesecake, LoneMeow, Kush, Stutters, Cephiro, VE (my gut right now says Sentinel, Cheesecake, VE)
For now I'm willing to believe Marv, Geript and Yamato77 made mistakes for this vote. But Geript is not a town read for me anymore, I haven't liked his play all game so the town feel to his motivations is starting to feel tenuous
Mocsta's switching off Chairman Ray easily is not suspect to me from my read on him, but it's personality based
Oh and I'm finally getting any kind of read on Koshi, and it's slightly town.
Cephiro is one fucker I forgot about . Thnx.
Lastly, I dont understand your comment on me regarding Chair. If its personality based, surely I can do it as town or scum, no?
So is the lack of suspicion then founded on being a prior town read?
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On September 24 2013 00:30 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 00:21 Mocsta wrote:On September 23 2013 22:38 marvellosity wrote:On September 23 2013 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 23 2013 22:34 marvellosity wrote:
It's funny, because I'd say the players who played in Desert should be the ones with decent townreads on me by now. Why exactly? Because my play is pretty dissimilar, the way I've asked questions and gone about things is quite different. People in Desert *just saw* my mafia play. Yeah.. dunno.. thats a very simplied thing to say. In reality, you were on a scum team filled with 2 lurkers and yourself. FACT: Thats demotivating.
I understand that the champions game would have a much bigger pull to produce effort, but the quality of your play there I think is quite clearly >>> the play in this game. I dont have a hard lean on you; so the above is just my musings. You have no idea how to judge my play, so don't try. Day 1 in that game I also contrived to lynch the cop and didn't do that much else. And I wasn't demotivated by my team in Desert in the slightest. Stop just saying things Moc, it's annoying.
Didn't read like that in the scumqt.
I mean, OK, you stopped some of the other guys from essentially "folding".. but by no means did it read like you were in ya proudest moment.
P.S. I have said twice in this game that I have a lean on you, but have not indulged which way it is.
Not curious?
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Moc, I think your frustration about the hosting read as quite genuine at the deadline.
And you should learn to read better, the only thing I was annoyed at in scumQT was the hosting decisions.
And no, I'm not particularly interested in your lean on me, until you decide to say/explain it. Can't be bothered with those little games my friend.
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On September 24 2013 00:02 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 23:24 marvellosity wrote:
I'll tell you the oddest thing about Mocsta from my perspective.
He came into the thread with his Chairman case, and was really convinced by it, and upheld it repeatedly.
Then Wave expressed some kinda doubts and Mocsta is like "oh yeah, hmm" and just unvotes like that. Seems like he was pushed off it really easily given how absolutely convinced he sounded about it. How can you possibly think mocsta is scum?? He talks way too much to be scum
Marv is right... high activity is not an indicator for me.
As town, even when I want to walk away.. i cant.. its just too tempting to come in and participate - even when I shouldnt (like now)
As scum, im more than happy to walk away once I done my objective to let it unfold.
As an aside, I was really disappointed to read what happened with DP.. sigh.
I always wanted to work with you bud !
I hope once you clear ya mind, you decide to come back in. I was enjoying giving the thread the aussie DP !
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On September 24 2013 00:39 Mocsta wrote:
I was enjoying giving the thread the aussie DP !
Fucking disgusting, Moc 
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On September 24 2013 00:32 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 23:51 Zaragon wrote:
Feels like Rayn is going to be stuck as scum for me after this vote. I already didn't like his play, and now it has gone from slightly scum to solidly scum.
Tofu is likely scum. Town is in a bad situation if he isn't, because that means mafia votes are diffused and less meaningful. But I'll assume town is in a good position, and he is. That makes my Mocsta town read go back up to solid.
The rest of the scum crowd is then probably distributed between Sentinel, Cheesecake, LoneMeow, Kush, Stutters, Cephiro, VE (my gut right now says Sentinel, Cheesecake, VE)
For now I'm willing to believe Marv, Geript and Yamato77 made mistakes for this vote. But Geript is not a town read for me anymore, I haven't liked his play all game so the town feel to his motivations is starting to feel tenuous
Mocsta's switching off Chairman Ray easily is not suspect to me from my read on him, but it's personality based
Oh and I'm finally getting any kind of read on Koshi, and it's slightly town. Cephiro is one fucker I forgot about . Thnx. Lastly, I dont understand your comment on me regarding Chair. If its personality based, surely I can do it as town or scum, no? So is the lack of suspicion then founded on being a prior town read?
Yes you are one of my more solid town reads from earlier. Yamato's suspicion changed that a little, but not from much I could see myself.
I mentioned I have a read on your personality, earlier. I'm imagining how you would read Chairman Ray, and how you would switch off him. Given it was a good move and it fits my image of your personality to do so as town, I'm trusting my personality and town read on you. They're separate but are supporting each other so far
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On September 24 2013 00:41 Zaragon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 00:32 Mocsta wrote:On September 23 2013 23:51 Zaragon wrote:
Feels like Rayn is going to be stuck as scum for me after this vote. I already didn't like his play, and now it has gone from slightly scum to solidly scum.
Tofu is likely scum. Town is in a bad situation if he isn't, because that means mafia votes are diffused and less meaningful. But I'll assume town is in a good position, and he is. That makes my Mocsta town read go back up to solid.
The rest of the scum crowd is then probably distributed between Sentinel, Cheesecake, LoneMeow, Kush, Stutters, Cephiro, VE (my gut right now says Sentinel, Cheesecake, VE)
For now I'm willing to believe Marv, Geript and Yamato77 made mistakes for this vote. But Geript is not a town read for me anymore, I haven't liked his play all game so the town feel to his motivations is starting to feel tenuous
Mocsta's switching off Chairman Ray easily is not suspect to me from my read on him, but it's personality based
Oh and I'm finally getting any kind of read on Koshi, and it's slightly town. Cephiro is one fucker I forgot about . Thnx. Lastly, I dont understand your comment on me regarding Chair. If its personality based, surely I can do it as town or scum, no? So is the lack of suspicion then founded on being a prior town read? Yes you are one of my more solid town reads from earlier. Yamato's suspicion changed that a little, but not from much I could see myself. I mentioned I have a read on your personality, earlier. I'm imagining how you would read Chairman Ray, and how you would switch off him. Given it was a good move and it fits my image of your personality to do so as town, I'm trusting my personality and town read on you. They're separate but are supporting each other so far
Problem with those type of reads is that they are not quantifiable to anyone else in the thread.
I completely get that a townie can use a gut read or personality read; but its also an easy avenue for scum to hide in.
Obviously it is up to me to make that distinction. I must say.. you are my biggest question mark this game.
Personally I think you are town based on my heuristics. However, I think the cases/observations have significant merit. Enough to question my read. At the same time, I have no clue what I can ask to establish a more meaningful read.
Lets give this a go and see if your thoughts resonate with mine.
Mattchew: GOGOGOG!
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Marv,
Help an aussie out here.
I know this is an easy thing to do as town or scum... but do you think a scum rayn - early game, would call me out for an unjustified vote on kush? - in such a direct/probing way?
On September 21 2013 11:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta explain your vote .
My expectation is that a scum rayne woulda tried to shit on me for it. Not necessarily with a vote, but perhaps some type of discredit.
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Non-alignment indicative imo. Don't see why scum rayn would necessarily do that.
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Mattchew is probably scum. His generic +1 of my yamato suspicion is really strange.
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On September 24 2013 00:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Mattchew is probably scum. His generic +1 of my yamato suspicion is really strange.
I've been leaning town on him most of the game. Actually I don't even mind his +1 either, what I do mind is the fact his vote stayed there.
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On September 24 2013 00:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Mattchew is probably scum. His generic +1 of my yamato suspicion is really strange.
Yeah, but IIRC mattchew is going to be AFK for a prolonged period of time -> domestic flights or something.
I remember lynching a scum promethelax who was on a flight.. man he was pissed haha (btw, that was a scum day1 lynch Umasi)
In all seriousness.. is mattchew a strong enough read to setup a lynch without him mounting a defense?
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Did nobody like my reason for disliking Mattchew???? /sadface
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Man, this game is seriously fucked up.
Two situations.. Scum is heavily bussing D1... or.. my reads are completely wrong.
Yeah, all the smartarses will come out and say my reads are wrong.. watevz
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The game is barely getting started, Moc.
It's rather too early to be declaring it fucked up :>
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On September 24 2013 01:06 Mocsta wrote:
Man, this game is seriously fucked up.
Two situations.. Scum is heavily bussing D1... or.. my reads are completely wrong.
Yeah, all the smartarses will come out and say my reads are wrong.. watevz
idk you think I'm scum? In that case then they're all wrong.
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