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Newbie Mini Mafia XLVII - Page 53
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heavenz
Austria301 Posts
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heavenz
Austria301 Posts
Also I belive it played it out well in the end because umasi heavily blamed me for it, and most of the other town thought nothing of it. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
On September 09 2013 16:52 Blazinghand wrote: When you come back, read this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133814¤tpage=17#322 bear in mind Palmar is like actually the best The post Blazinghand quoted is probably the best analysis ever on how people should play as town and everyone should read it. As town your first goal isto prove your innocence so that other players listen to you and you remove a suspect in yourseff for other players to look into. That's actually one of the things i read when i started playing here besides Ver's analysis (the other sticky thread) and i decided i will never get mislynched as town. If everyone as town would never get mislynched there would be no room for scum to hide and due to process of elimination town would win every game. In this game Koshi replaced into bad situation and there was very little he could do. There was, what, some ~5 hours left in the phase? That's really hard spot to prove you are town or find mafia if you have not followed the game. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On September 09 2013 19:12 LoneMeow wrote: Oh also, interesting that observers think Blurry was obvious NK, especially after Holyflare calling it horrible NK during the game. My reasoning for the kill was that he was super town and had a town circlejerk going with Bereft, that made them very dangerous as it seemed they'd likely vote together later on. Didn't even check what his reads were back then. (Just so you know how WIFOM it was to think he was killed for having fingered the scum team.) I said that to throw any sort of cop orientation off me, it was obvious he was getting nked that's why i checked bereft and that's why i made a post talking about why blurry was killed by the people that thought he ws "most townie" but the only people around to talk were scum or tunneling so nobody really mentioned it :/ | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
Also all of you who were talking about being roleblocked you talk as if only scum can do the roleblocking? If there is a jailkeeper and he blocks a guy that has really said nothing the entire day 1 there is nothing you can discern from that surely as he has a 1/4 ish chance of hitting scum that night? If you were scum that got roleblocked the nightkill still goes through and there's nothing stopping you from saying that you got roleblocked in that case? | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
On September 09 2013 21:45 Holyflare wrote: But koshi sorry if i said some mean things, was just incredibly annoyed at wasting my time for a game to end in modkills :/ it also confused me how you wrote that you didn't want to focus on a wagon as it had "90% of people on it" but then you straight up voted umasi after no reason posts at all, coupled with how hard you were pushing bereft it looked scummy as hell, to me at least, but i didn't have much time to read things though which i usually do in a game because you got replaced so late Also all of you who were talking about being roleblocked you talk as if only scum can do the roleblocking? If there is a jailkeeper and he blocks a guy that has really said nothing the entire day 1 there is nothing you can discern from that surely as he has a 1/4 ish chance of hitting scum that night? If you were scum that got roleblocked the nightkill still goes through and there's nothing stopping you from saying that you got roleblocked in that case? Yeah np m8. I was mad as well and I only spent a little time on this game. Modkills were really silly because I think even after my lynch town was in a good spot if we had a vigi, cop and doc still alive. I am pretty confusing to play with. I was a bit too tunnelish on betreft, even though a part of my tunnel was played to gain reactions. I should have hammered more on the RB thing and grilled Umasi more because he couldn't answer me properly on one of the main events this game (LV vs betreft). Next time we catch them scummers together. I am pretty sure we will meet again :D. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
I will need a good team. :D | ||
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
On September 09 2013 20:26 heavenz wrote: Also I find it weird that people give me such a strong scum read for my opening post, it's not like I applied a scum tactics or something, I would have posted it the same way if I was town. It was 2 am, the game had started even though the host said it wouldn't start that day, so it was pure luck that I saw that game actually already started before I was going to bed, so I just wanted to drop a yo guys. Also I belive it played it out well in the end because umasi heavily blamed me for it, and most of the other town thought nothing of it. well you know you played it out well when the obs thread literally never mentions your name! I judge pretty heavily on the first post, and the way it broke the flow made me think like ....wait a sec is that guy my teammate holy shit he is kinda thing | ||
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infii
Germany153 Posts
On September 09 2013 19:08 Koshi wrote: I think that in future newbie games people should be encouraged to post at least 15 times on Day 1. Even 15 1 liners is going to help newbie games become more enjoyable. I have replaced in this game and the previous newbie game and both had serious problems with activity on Day 1. Maybe it is a bit unfair for the newbie scummers, or maybe it will be in their favor because town will start to eat each other. PS: I know this is a stupid extra rule, but it might help activity on Day 1. The sticked newbie mafia guide praises quality of posts over quantity, that's why I mostly wrote huge posts. Do you think I should've stayed with the thread more conistently but with less content? I really had problems with reading and formulating my last big analysis. I spent like 10h of work on that one. Any hints on how to improve efficiency on analysis? | ||
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
Jk It didn't feel like you tried to push your thoughts, just say them. | ||
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infii
Germany153 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
On September 10 2013 00:58 infii wrote: The sticked newbie mafia guide praises quality of posts over quantity, that's why I mostly wrote huge posts. Do you think I should've stayed with the thread more conistently but with less content? I really had problems with reading and formulating my last big analysis. I spent like 10h of work on that one. Any hints on how to improve efficiency on analysis? Well, I am only playing this game for 2 months now. Just looked up my first game in the mafia database. So don't take my words as divine gospel. My advice is to find a playstyle that you enjoy playing with AND is efficient for you to WIN ALL GAMES. Do you enjoy making a few big posts a day where you spent hours working on but that very clearly represent your thought process? Please do that. If this is your way of playing the game and you feel like you are the most efficient playing this style then nobody should tell you to do otherwise. The best town people on TL play like that, they make sure town atmosphere is good and then hide a bit in the shadow, constantly point town in the right direction and then BAM they nail the scumteam or at least have done 80% of the work :D. I would love to be able to play like that but... For me that simply doesn't work well. I can't just look at filters and then make big post that is on the money. I need to play by some rules, ex. from this game: RB target is most likely town. Or by interaction, like Umasi not replying to me about a big event in the game (LV vs bereft). So I end up thinking around 5 secs on what I am going to post and then post it. I also am around 16 hours reading the thread so I can actively chat with my reads when they enter the thread. So I have a shitton of post that is seriously lacking content and logic. I realize that the way I play is confusing for a lot people, and Holyflare was shocked by it and thought I was scum. If I had 48 hours in this thread my confusing way off playing would have been seen as my playstyle and as long as that playstyle is consistent and clearly motivated by my posting I shouldn't get lynched easily as town. Previous 2 games people called me town 48 hours into the game, even though I was 100% wrong on my 3 reads on Day 1 and I once ended up lynching a cop... I just try to be as honest as possible and then it is up to others to decide that I am being deceiving them or I am just being honest and bad ;D. One day I might be honest and nailing scum. :D Just like this game. I was horrible wrong about bereft and killerdog, but I was in the right area about others. After my lynch people like killerdog knew who was scum apparently. Would that have been the same when myrz would have been unanimously lynched? In my short passage I like to think that if there wasn't a modkill on our vigi and and another townie that scum had to take a risk and showed themselves, so my reads were shitty, my play was confusing but in the end there was some result. Maybe that was 100% luck though :D. tldr: Find your own playstyle that works for you, others have to adapt to you. But remember that each game you have to go for a win. 100% go for the win in the game you are playing. Do it by being obvious town and trying to create (good and bad) content or do it by hiding more in the shadow and nail scum. It's up to you. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
(or there is and I haven found it yet) | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
not that i'd ever want to play with someone playing like this | ||
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infii
Germany153 Posts
But it is soooo time consuming... if I have to work during the week I barely have time to catch up on reading the thread not to mention posting something useful stuff so, like in this game, people tend to think I'm lurking because of that. Also if you read through new posts, do you make notes for yourself? | ||
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Bereft
United States1007 Posts
On September 09 2013 18:34 ShiaoPi wrote: The doctor had a quite difficult choice between blurry, Holyflare and Umasi. I have not received any PM regarding the role though so I was wondering why bereft chose to hold his save. haha ShiaoPi did you see this: On September 09 2013 07:52 Bereft wrote: screw you umasi! n1 i was debating between protecting you, holyflare, and blurry my 3 town reads. i figured there was slim to no chance blurry would get shot since he was non-threatening and protected you. GG ME. Original Message From mkfuba07: I wouldn't say it's invalid (I assume you mean your night action, not your vote), but we might have different people handling day posts each time. If the person doing it doesn't receive the PM, then they might not know that you sent one in. It kinda makes it a 1/3 chance that the host writing the daypost actually gets your action XD i did try to use my save on n1, but was pretty tied up all day so pm'd on my phone and forgot that i needed to pm all 3 hosts ><; not that it would've made a difference since i picked umasi. would've been mad at myself if i'd wound up picking blurry and my save didn't go through. i didn't pick blurry because even though he and i were totally on the same page, i didn't think he'd be an obvious choice for nk because i found his posting nonthreatening (i even recall someone describing him as "gentle"? lol). also @koshi - admittedly i fucked up my day 2 vote, forgetting who you were replacing (megalolz). problem was that i also felt a last minute vote switch would stir up the dirt (considering how inactive the game was and mafia was probs on cruise control), not realizing that LV and myrzeth were both getting modkilled. basically didn't realize that if we lynched an active non-scum, this was effectively end game... felt like the equivalent of thinking i was on my 2nd last lap of a 5k, mustering energy for the last 400m sprint--and then discovering the race was over. haha. also i was surprised at how pissed you were yesterday. granted, there was a lot of reading you had to do to catch up on, but all the rest of us players had been invested since like..tuesday? while you were in the game for a grand total of 3 hours :p | ||
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