Original Message From Lord Velocity:
okay so I'm getting accused of scum purely because I personally had no reads and I feel like Holyflare will turn tides onto me, any pointers?
Ok need to figure out severity.
Are any votes on you? If not. Ppl are Feeling you out. This is normal.
I would respond by addressing what the concern is. In this case no reads.
If you still have no reads. What is sticking out to you as a bullshit contribution or intentionally flawed logic. Bring those items up for discussion.
I don't know holyflare alignment. But I know u r town so don't fear.
If nothing is sticking out to u as scummy. Read the game and just talk to me about things u think are weird.
Now.. if votes are on you. Different story. Read the vote rationale and think whether this is townie aggressive pressure or scum easy vote. Usally the key is one is that town is still trying to figure out alignment so will continue to probe.
Good luck
Original Message From Lord Velocity:
I just feel that Umasi is scum based on his hyper aggression towards me and trying to get me out because he knows I'm not on his scum team. So he's killing the most obvious and easy town for HIM. I dont know what to go off of with that though
1. Why do think you are being killed? There is no vote on you? Half the thread hasn't posted so you don't know what thread sentiment is. Lurkers are unpredictable at the best of times.
2. Is hyper aggression a scum trait? In my opinion it's non alignment indicative especially if said player is aware he is aggressive as town. My suggestion is to analyse the approach/motive. Is umasi running a smear campaign. Or is he trying to find out more about you. #1 is typical of scum. #2 is typical of town. At least in day1.
3. If u indeed consider umasi scum. U need to consider how to approach further. Do u pressure him or vote or ignore?
Original Message From Lord Velocity:
I'm thinking to just answer his questions in a way to take all alignment off of me as to further indicate what he's trying to do but I do think he's a really good town player whos scum. People often overlook that but Idk, its merely gut right now
Well it's up to you how to proceed.
All I can say is. Your evidence is not damming. I.e. what has been presented to me can equally come from a town or scum player in general.
As you have a gut feeling only my advice is to answer his queiries if still outstanding and then pressure him. If your issue is that he immediately targetted you because you were easy. Then lead with that and see what the response is.
In short. It is possible he is scum. It currently you have no proof. Just a feeling. And you are only one vote. Pressure your read and reassess your thoughts once you receive a response
Original Message From Lord Velocity:
Right now I'm playing like total shit, lol. I feel like if this was voice, I would be so better right now lol
What do you think you be doing differently?
Original Message From Lord Velocity:
I would've actually answered the questions confidently and in a forum everything someone answers makes them look like scum lol
Perhaps think outloud what you would say and just type it out.
As for part2 I disagree. You look town to my more experienced eyes. And a couple in the game are probably town as well. So it can be done.
Aside from umasi. What else sticks out. Do u have an opinion on any other thread discussions?
Original Message From Lord Velocity:
Ummmm I find it odd how he votes for Holy and then when Holy clarifies him as town he's like "Partner fo lyfe" and tries to like, hug him for dear life you know what I'm getting at? I just need more reads tbh. And besides me saying that in every post, suspicion still lies on me with that KillerDog guy. I'm just feeling like that Vigi that shoots people that points fingers
Ok. I suggest ask umasi why he said that. If something puts you at ease. Then query it. If he is scum by pressuring him you are giving him opportunities to skate easily if u don't talk to him.
As for killerdog. What has he done that makes him scum instead of town. Walk me throughw the feeling
Original Message From Lord Velocity:
Killer just looks like good town that hopped on the bus of "Velocity looks really suspicious so we should leave some questions for the lurkers, but pressure him as much as we can while he is here and not let him off"
So he looks like good town?
Why assume he must be scum then?
Do u know what a OMGUS read is?
Original Message From Lord Velocity:
Nooo
Oh My God You Suck.
Basically, someone calls you scum; so you assume they *must* be scum to even consider you being scum.
All your reasons for calling someone scum are "gut feelings" based on someone calling you out first. Thats poor play; but its OK, thats why I am here to coach.
This is why I have suggested: read the game again and let me know if anything suspicious stands out. Talk to me about it.
Original Message From Lord Velocity:
And a lot are jumping on the wagon now due to others saying "Yea Umasi and Holy are acting pro town, Velocity is def scum" So I think I should come out as Vigi, considering I can shoot on Night 2 I think?
OK, I checked OP: and you are correct, Vig only works past night 2.
O NOT CLAIM*
(1) You will just get shot night 1 losing any benefit of being vig
(2) Its poor play to rely on a blue claim to prevent a mislynch
Instead, we need to get you off the noose.
To do this, there are two things you *MUST* do
(1) Reply to peoples cases against you, and explain why they are not scum-mindset indicative only (I can help with this)
(2) Present an alternative scum target (Again, I can help you with this)
What I need you to do is summarise what ppl issues are with you; and what you think is a suitable response.
And also point out to me things you find suspicious/scummy in the thread. We can work through it to determine if anything if specifically scummy, or just poor play.
.......
Original Message From Lord Velocity:
they didn't really wait for any type of explanation, I'm sure one said that he was gonna keep the vote till I explain but the other was so sure of himself and he seemed to want to hear it, but not care for it. sorry my reasoning sucks I'm really being shitty lol
OK. So that matches what you said in the thread.
The next step now is to read those two filters; and see if you can find further evidence to suggest they are scum.
(1) Are they pushing bad logic?
(2) Are they trying to figure out scum; or just point blame at people
(3) Are they creating a negative atmosphere, and discouraging people from talking?
(4) Are they making posts that look like contributions, but on closer read, say nothing?
Original Message From Lord Velocity:
I think it's a combo of 2 and 4. Because they want an easy lynch, but if you look at it, means jack shit considering two of the guys that 1 has been contributing NOTHING at all, and then a guy that I think is town but became semi suspicious.
Im struggling to interpret what you wrote.
Are you suggesting that they are trying to push a lynch... BUT the effort means "jack shit" because of <insert reasoning> ?
You say its a combo of
(2) Are they trying to figure out scum; or just point blame at people
and
(4) Are they making posts that look like contributions, but on closer read, say nothing?
OK.. Start with one guy (I don't care which).
Go to his filter, and point me to a post that shows him doing (2)
and a post that shows him doing (4)
Original Message From Lord Velocity:
As for Umasi/HolyFlare, one of the best scum tactics is to have two scum ragging on each other the first day. It monopolizes the discussion preventing productive town discourse, paints them both as very pro town, and in the case that one of them turns mafia, there's a strong argument for the other one being town. Because of this, I am not willing to read them both as town. Right now, there's a possibility of both being scum, both being town, or one being mafia, so lynching one will not give us ANY headway, I say keep them both alive on day 1. Based on who gets lynched and who gets killed by mafia, we may be able to eliminate one of the possibilities."
That means nothing to me idk if you would agree because we all put in thoughts that they were head town and were butting heads, which was the most reasonable, and his was a bit WIFON I think that's what it's called.
and then he quickly goes like " Oh shit, Umasi thinks he's town so he probably is" But Ya nvm the 2 wasn't there I read wrong
I don't know who said that, but it is indeed a wishy-washy way to say both are null.
and then, quickly sides with somebody. I would ask that person to explain the town read, instead of +1 umasi. ask for specifics.
Original Message From Lord Velocity:
Ummmm What's his name Bereft. He's pretty much trying to pressure out us people that don't exactly have the best defenses lol
well its not my job to read posts and tell you how to respond.
if you want my help
tell me first what you want to achieve with your post, then I can help structure it
Original Message From Lord Velocity:
Well I'm still gonna get targeted, like these guys are thick as all fuck Mocsta lol. I wish you were in game T_T You would be like "Ya he's quiet as shit when he's mafia" and you'd be saying how bad I am while making legitimate points lol.
Just remember that as a new player:
It is very hard to differentiate between paranoid townie (you) and paranoid scum.
The key difference is that paranoid scum tend not to post; where as you are still putting yourself out there.
However, I believe you already pointed this out in one of your posts.
Look, you already responded to people concerns, now just keep pushing and pressuring your scum reads. That's the best any townie can do.
Original Message From Lord Velocity:
how can I shift the attention off me not completely, but lay suspicions that are true
Usually ignore what ppl say about you and go straight into a counter case.
EPT
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