EPTEither way I need to filter dive the rest of the bandwagon + LV in order to find who to lynch next.
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Holyflare
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Either way I need to filter dive the rest of the bandwagon + LV in order to find who to lynch next. | ||
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Holyflare
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If some people thought ray was town then why did they not try and counter bandwagon at all? In fact, there was a whole fucking hour where nobody implied anything about a counter bandwagon. On September 06 2013 05:39 Holyflare wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Chairman Ray and then an entire hour after I made my case and voted: On September 06 2013 06:15 myRZeth wrote: ##unvote ##vote Chairman Ray On September 06 2013 06:25 Umasi wrote: ##VOTE Chairman Ray On September 06 2013 06:35 killerdog wrote: ##Unvote: myRZeth ##Vote: Chairman Ray If anyone is suspicious it's the people who joined the wagon this late and if they were town they would be even MORE suspicious of the people that voted after this on someone else: On September 06 2013 06:35 infii wrote: EBWOP (bold tags) ##vote myRZeth On September 06 2013 06:58 heavenz wrote: ##unvote ##vote myRZeth oh wait yeh that's you, saw the confirmed town bandwagon lynch so you leave it to the last 20 mins to lynch the lurker so it looks like you had nothing to do with it right? On September 06 2013 06:34 infii wrote: Yes Ray's last case looks so omg-scummy that I'm tempted to vote him. But I will vote for myrz. Yes he could be town but he is not cooperative or doesn't want to contribute anything. Though my strongest point on him is, that he is not even willing to change his behaviour. That is why he will be totally useless in the future. There are about 30mins left and I have not seen any analysis from him so fuck that. ##vote myRZeth it looked scummy but oh fuck why not make a case against the guy that found him to be scummy in the first place yeh, right..... blame the person that makes cases not the people that sit idly by (you and the others) who don't make reasonable cases to begin with | ||
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Holyflare
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his first long post was a rehashed summary on lurkers, his second long post was: + Show Spoiler + On September 06 2013 00:29 infii wrote: In my last bigger post I only focused on the guys with a low post count to get more information out of them, I don’t get why this was considered scummy... Unfortunately that didn’t work very well. Myrzeth even stated himself being a lurker. (wut?) I think I will be able to post a quick summary on my reads and my vote shortly before the day ends. For this approach I will analyse different cases instead of single people: Case 1 – First discussion about lynching Day 1 Coming soon/when I have the time Case 2 – Holyflare’s denial of posting reads early on The main post: Reactions from Umasi and my thoughts: + Show Spoiler + First reply: On September 04 2013 12:34 Umasi wrote: Alright holyflare. We've beaten the subject of no lynching to death, which ended in you backtracking You've told us that we shouldn't talk about town/scum reads day one You didn't reveal your scum or town reads. Why am I here again? What are we talking about? moreover didn't you have questions for me? Did you forget them/forget to ask them? Umasi is over reacting here imo. Ok you finished one discussion and you don’t think there are other topics which could be discussed apart from reads and thoughts? Instead you propose (indirectly) to speculate over subjective opinions for the next 40 hours? I don’t see that to be more productive or helpful for town. Holy’s defense: On September 04 2013 12:45 Holyflare wrote: Totally just responded to Bereft that's why it's 'backtracked' or if you're implying I've changed my stance, I haven't. I'd like you to see what I wrote, It's just telling people that no-lynching is an option and it should be used within this game. Also, I never said not to talk about scum reads, just how can you possibly formulate a case on somebody so quickly????? If you want to accuse someone of being scum why would you publicly announce it SO early with the offchance that they could 180 on their whole style of writing because you picked out their name. Why not keep it to yourself and formulate the case based on your initial suspicions and when it comes close to actually lynching someone you'd have substantial reasoning for a lynch rather than, 'oh his first post was scummy but then he became better'... As for questions towards you, I asked for you to elaborate first before I asked the questions but now you've mimicked other peoples responses because you were away so I don't need to ask the questions anymore. Next post: On September 04 2013 13:02 Umasi wrote: ended in you backtracking the fucking conversation, not you backtracking your stance on it. I guess I was unclear. let me phrase this differently and in a totally explicit manner Holyflare, why are you against discussion? You helped get it going in the beginning, but you sure aren't anymore. In fact, it could be said that you are against discussion from occuring. That is blatantly scum agenda. ##VOTE HOLYFLARE Umasi even increasing his aggression and going totally over board. Holy never been against discussion as we know he played a big part in the first one (see above). It looks like Umasi is desperately trying to find a reason to call Holy scummy and vote on him asap because if you read Holy’s root post and his defense it makes no sense to presume that Holy is against discussion. The discussion goes back and forth in the same manner as above until: On September 04 2013 14:23 Umasi wrote: ##UNVOTE HOLYFLARE Do you think what I did was bad play? you can go to bed and address this when you wake up/whenever you want, I'm going to do homework. tbth, this entire thing is pro-town since people will be able to talk about it, and it gives me more to go off of concerning you (and the people who comment about it), and possibly you more to go off of (regarding me and the people who comment), assuming you're town. If you're scum w.e. For everyone, just a psa about me I normally keep the person I think is the scummiest as my vote target, but since there are quite a few people I'm leery of, it rests on no one for now. Yes this discussion was pro town. But even though you try to phrase it in a positive way, this discussion sheds a scummy light on you Umasi because: - Your reasoning about it being pro town is weak - You could have explained your ‘vote behaviour’ beforehand to everyone. Now it just looks like an excuse - You didn’t apply your ‘vote behaviour’ in the last game we played together at all Reactions from Blurry and my thoughts: + Show Spoiler + On September 04 2013 12:53 Blurry wrote: The reason you voice your suspicions is because it puts pressure on that person. When someone is under pressure they make mistakes and reveal things they shouldn't. Write about your hunches, it also allows us to see if you are innocent, and yes, when you are town you need to prove your innocence by providing good analysis and leading the discussion. First post addressing the topic in a considered manner. It is a valid point but applies more to after the first day than before, as holy mentioned shortly after. Later on: On September 04 2013 13:38 Blurry wrote: Two things: Scum read in retaliation to him questioning you is pretty suspicious. You aren't helping your case with that, especially because your analysis is flawed. Aggression at the start is in no way indicative of scum, and if anything, is more a town indicator than anything, especially when he is leading the charge against a player. It is really risky for scum to be so direct because it draws so much attention to them. Umasi is probably my biggest town read for that reason right now. He is right on that point. However I consider his aggression fake (see above why). In that case it would mean the exact opposite, which puts also the relation of Blurry and Umasi in question. Is he defending him? Or is he just voicing his opinion? Case 3 – The LV slipup Coming soon/ when I have the time Damn I’m running out of time here and won’t be able to finish it until I have to leave. So instead I’ll just post it unfinished and add the other cases on a later time when I can afford to write it. :/ I have the overall feeling that we are town led by scum because of the chaotic back and forth of discussions, random accusations and fake aggressiveness. Everyone needs to focus on the facts at hand and not let himself be guided by lurish arguments. hey look he was agreeing that what i was saying was plausible, but wait, what did he just accuse me of? oh yeh wasting towns time.... contradictions! Not to mention the only case that would matter: thoughts on lv was a "coming soon" that never came, his next post was his vote on myrz | ||
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Umasi
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the thing about infii is at least he posted! | ||
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Umasi
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 (what do you mean the day after it counted? | ||
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Umasi
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I'm plat 1 in promo to diamond, currently 1-1 out of five, fourth time attempting to advance. not really important though. This is why I thought infii was a good lynch last game though, or at least was scummy enough to push. He had a bad day one, but his day two is shaping up pretty well, he just doesn't have that mason claim, so idk? you also defended yourself really solidly against his points so like, I want to lynch him, but lonemeow/heavenz/myrz are all probably better targets, although, although lonemeow/heavenz have gotten a bit better, and myrz is a shitty lurker. I repeat that phrase a lot :<< do you have thoughts on bereft that I happen to have not seen? Because I don't think I've seen them from you | ||
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Holyflare
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killerdog
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Apologies for just disappearing off the face of the earth for a while, it's 4 am here and I haven't slept yet, so I might leave the fine toothed combing til tomorrow, but I'll try and make a post respond to any questions I find directed at me and say a few things which I think are important over the next hour or two. Gonna go get some caffeine. | ||
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Umasi
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2-1 yaaaay well I don't remember him doing townie things day one last game but it doesn't really matter, I just remember him entering with a shitty list post :| do you know why some people are suspicious of bereft? his name has been thrown around a bit and I don't really get it | ||
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Holyflare
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Holyflare
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On September 08 2013 11:22 killerdog wrote: Ok guys, finally done with work. (quantumn mechanics is too fucking complicated T.T) Apologies for just disappearing off the face of the earth for a while, it's 4 am here and I haven't slept yet, so I might leave the fine toothed combing til tomorrow, but I'll try and make a post respond to any questions I find directed at me and say a few things which I think are important over the next hour or two. Gonna go get some caffeine. read the last few pages and give brief thoughts on what the shit occurred | ||
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Bereft
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Holyflare
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i'll do some thorough digging when i wake up though, will still be around for a bit if you have questions or whatevs | ||
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