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Holyflare
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Umasi
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Umasi
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/afk | ||
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Umasi
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I'll talk, I forgot what the thread of the conversation was though what's up | ||
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Umasi
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totally irrelevant, still won't vote phar. myrz is also a shitty lurker, may vote him depending on what he comes in and does. bereft is okay lonemeow and heavenz are the two I guess I'm interested in lynching today, infii..maybe | ||
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Umasi
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this is the fourth in a row that I've lost apparently I don't deserve to be in diamond? But my record from promo-series and then the wins to get back to promo series, I'm actually a positive record haha | ||
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Holyflare
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Umasi
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Umasi
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I just have awful luck with this kind of thing, getgatekeepered constantly. this isn'tshikyo thread though so I'll stop whining haha | ||
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Bereft
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On September 06 2013 06:07 killerdog wrote: Whats your response to my points in favour of not voting for him? my bad, busy week so missed this earlier. there's a decent possibility that he's an inexperienced town -- i'll give you that. that being said, your argument to keep him alive because (a) he's leaving a huge bread crumb trail but (b) we wouldn't learn anything if he flipped today are contradictory. should he have flipped red, think we would already have lots to analyze. what i'd like to know is why you switched your vote to chairman ray at the last minute. looking at your post history, you say the following: Personally I'm leaning towards lynching myrzeth, because from the way he responded to people challenging his silence, and the fact he still hasn't come in with a post bigger then a one liner, means I don't think he's going to suddenly be super contributive tomorrow. I'd rather not have to spend half a day arguing with someone about play styles again, or even worse have him just dissappear and then being in a situation day 2 where there might be a strong mafia read we want to lynch, but having to choose between lynching the afk lurker or the mafia read. And if he turns out to be mafia thats just a perk. On September 06 2013 05:19 killerdog wrote: That post was a bit longer then i meant it to get, but basically I see our choice right now as being, 1. lynch myrzeth for shitty town play (and if we get lucky and hit a mafia, yay win) 2. lynch someone as a scum read, the a few people are pushing for LV in particular. I also think chairman ray has been a bit suspicious compared to other people, but I've seen a few people put him down as one of their town reads so thats moved him (temporarily) down on my scum list. 3. lynch someone else for shitty town play, but I don't see anyone else as anywhere near as potentially useless at myrzeth seems to be looking. I hope that makes sense. Anyway, as my vote on myrzeth suggests, he's my current preferred target, just because I don't see him being anything other then a liability if left alive, but I'm open to suggestions. then all of a sudden with zero explanation: On September 06 2013 06:33 killerdog wrote: I really don't like letting myr live til day 2, but hopefully he'll start playing the game tomorrow. We wont lose from a second mislynch (if ray is town) so I guess it's not the end of the world if we have to kill myr off tomorrow for still being afk. ##vote chairman ray i agree you've gone out of your way to explain why you don't think LV is a good day 1 lynch candidate. but what's your explanation for suddenly switching to ray with zero explanation when you were so adamant that myrzeth was the best choice before? myrzeth may have been lynched had you kept your vote on him. i'd like to hear about your change of heart. | ||
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Bereft
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(jk) | ||
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Holyflare
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but yeh, has killer gone to bed already? | ||
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Bereft
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reasons include: a. he sux bawls b. it's pretty clear - he's not going to change his mind about lurking anytime soon c. i think there's definitely 1 scum in the bunch that voted for ray. the sudden piling of votes onto ray was weird. i'm wondering if the shift of votes had anything to do with myrzeth being mafia and his mafia buddies freaking out with him about to get lynched in any case i would like to hear from killerdog why he switched his vote as well as from the town why another player may be a better candidate for lynch today. | ||
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Holyflare
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killerdog
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+ Show Spoiler + On September 08 2013 02:49 infii wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 06 2013 06:33 killerdog wrote: I really don't like letting myr live til day 2, but hopefully he'll start playing the game tomorrow. We wont lose from a second mislynch (if ray is town) so I guess it's not the end of the world if we have to kill myr off tomorrow for still being afk. ##vote chairman ray He states no reason for voting him but he already said earlier that ray would be a likely candidate for him to lynch. Also I assume he just agrees with Umasi's argumentation. But the fact that he voted on ray last although he had ray under suspicion for almost a day makes the whole thing fishy. I'd gone into the night wanting to follow one of two lynch plans. 1. Lynch myrzeth if he didn't join the game properly 2. Lynch a scum suspect. I felt the best move at the time was to lynch myrzeth, for several reasons which I stated then. (If you want claraification of any of my posts from then, just ask.) So I decided to post my reasons for why I wanted to lynch myrzeth, hoping to either show why he was the best lynch, or have any flaws in my logic pointed out/have someone explain why someone else would be a better lynch. The first movement seemed (from what I remember) to be several people gunning for an LV. I, (again for reasons I've already posted) didn't feel like he was an optimum n1 lynch, and posted my reasoning for this, it basically got ignored by everyone (even when I specifically asked a few people to address the points I'd raised,) and I didn't feel comfortable following along in a vote train with people who weren't willing to discuss my reasons for not voting for him. Furthermore, Umasi, (who at the time I had down as one of my town reads, I'll give an updated list of reads once I've been through everything properly, no point in throwing uneducated assumptions around.) had defended/deflected from Lord Velocity on several occasions. After that motion seemed to pass, the second target became Chairman ray. He'd been on my suspicious list for a while, (see my earlier (latter part of day 1) list of player reads) and the reason I'd held off on him was in part because of a post by blurry (Who was also one of my town reads, although not as high as umasi because of much lower activity) which was what I was referring to when I said "I'd been suspicions of ray but some people have listed him as town reads) or something. On September 06 2013 04:17 Blurry wrote: My opinion is that Chairman Ray is slightly town because he did advance the discussion and brought up concerns about players nobody else had really said anything against. By saying he suspects Umasi who right now is probably the biggest leader in discussion he goes after the player who I would guess has the biggest sway. I honestly can't remember how the lynch on chairman got started at this point, but I remember the reason I switched was because several people had voiced not wanting to lynch myrzeth/wanting to try to lynch scum (blurry and umasi are the two names I can remember standing out off the top of my head.) and as the number of votes on myrzeth at the time made it seem like him getting lynched was very unlikely, decided it was a choice between LV and chairman ray. I asked Umasi for his thoughts on velocity vs myrzeth vs chairman ray because he'd been defensive of velocity without every really giving a reason why up unitl that point. He responded by voting on chairman ray, and I decided that if Holyflare and umasi, my two strongest town reads, were the people pushing the case to lynch him, and the people pushing velocity were on my "unknown/scummy" list, combined with the fact noone had adressed my points against voting velocity, led me to vote ray. I didn't realise myrzeth had switched his vote until after I'd voted charles (it was mentioned in this thread after i posted my vote, which is where i saw it first.) It took a minute or two for exactly how scummy that seemed to me to sink in (there was a lot of stuff going backwards and forwards then) but i very nearly switched my vote back. I didn't because 1. I didn't think myrzeth would get lynched based off the votes on him at the time 2. The idea had already been floated, and it didn't take off with everyone, given there was so little time left I doubted we could have a proper discussion about it. 3. Chairman ray wasn't doing the best job of defending himself, and didn't even try until it was very late (in retrospect I think he only realised he was actually about to get lynched at the last minute), and holyflare was jumping all over him. Even blurry ended up saying he felt some of what ray was saying at this point seemed scummy. The last minute votes on myrzeth also surprised me, but I don't think suddenly switching votes in the last few minutes is ever a good idea. I'm aware now that a last second vote would have swung it in favour of myrzeth, but heavenz and chairman voted really fucking late. Obviously I regret that now, but I still don't think last second jumps are good for town unless someone lets something huge slip, or a blue role gives some amazing evidence. On September 08 2013 05:36 Lord Velocity wrote: Something serious came up within my family and I am 100% certain I no longer have time to play with you all, I'm so sorry that the inconvenience happened, I wish town the best of luck. Good bye all! Oh shit, just saw this post. Goodbye man, hopefully it all turns out ok. -- So how do substitutions work when someone willingly leaves the game? Will he get subbed before the lynch, or does he just not vote, then get replaced in the night post. Also, given that there are two potential modkills and only one replacement (koshi,) does that mean one of them just dies? Reading Infii's big post, It feels a bit like rather then analysing how ray got lynched, he's making a case against holyflare. I'm not saying making cases against people isn't town play, (it's sort of a pillar of it.) But personally that post felt more like after his analysis, he'd decided holyflare was scum, and decided to try and prove it. just a note. I'm not sure how I feel about the accusation that, forgive me for paraphrasing a little, Holyflare engineered chairman ray's lynching. I'll respond to that more fully after I've gone through the lynching posts more thoroughly, because that isn't a question I feel comfortable tackling without having done so. Not sure how to deal with the "roleblock" claim either, I don't think that lends any more evidence towards him being town then him just saying "I'm town" does. I'm just gonna note it down, and if he turns out to flip town at some point or get cop checked or whatever, then we know there's a roleblocker of some type in the game. Maybe we could try and work something out by asking who would roleblock infii, but thats a wifom-y road. -- A note on bereft, I acknowledge that he has work and therefore can't be as active just before lynches, (although that shouldn't stop him being present for the next lynch right?) But in my book that means we should expect more from him during the rest of the day/night. As holyflare said before, just before the lynch is the time when you can pressure people hard and scum are most likely to make mistakes/reveal their actions. If we can't pressure you properly then, then it's your job to make yourself worth keeping around despite the fact you're a little more of a liability then most because we wont be able to get as good reads on you. -- Holyflares defence against Infii's accusations, I was confused by how he'd quoted infii for wayy too long here. It eventually made sense when i read everything as infii's post except the bold, which I read as holyflares responses, (sorry, my brain is half asleep.) In the future can people try their best to use the quotes feature? I know it takes a bit of extra time, but it improves readability dramatically. It also makes it much easier for people to quote your post without everything getting confused. On the actual contents of the post, again, I'm gonna refrain from judging until I've had more time to go over stuff. -- I had a bit about umasi not responding to my questions, but i just looked in the thread and saw he had. Yeah I'm still awake, gonna post what i have so far so you don't think i've gone :p | ||
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