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@vayne we don't need to lynch to be easier lol........... case on yamato incoming
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part 4
yamato is scum
i got lazy edition
Yamato is probably the best player on the scumteam. His meta is a pretty huge give away however.
meta
Yamato is the kind of player who plays this game to solve the puzzle and figure out who the scum are. So playing as scum is just as aspect of the game Yamato does not enjoy. Every time he rolls scum he never gives a single shit.
Last game he rolled scum instead of defending himself, he just starting posting memes!
I questioned him about his meta, and the example he gave as lazy town in LXI does not show a yamato that doesn't give a shit. In fact he gets very emotional several times in that game. It's just he acted sort of like a troll that game. Completely different behavior than this game.
Usually as scum yamato will make one try hard post with big fancy words in the beginning of the game. Then he gives up. Exactly that happened in his past scumgames and it happened again this game.
This is his try hard post this game:
On August 21 2013 10:09 yamato77 wrote:
Vayne's first post is suspect. His most definitive read is a 3P read (wtf?) on a player already under suspicion. Why is he so strongly considering the possibility of a 3P? As with Rayn before, the preoccupation with reads that aren't in the town<--->scum continuum is something worth noting. The rest of his post is notably garbage and he has yet to substantiate anything he's said so far. Definitely flying under the radar due to the massive blip of a shitstorm Rayn/DP/WoS created.
His last scumgame, GOT, this was his tryhard post:
On August 10 2013 05:51 yamato77 wrote:
Most of SNB's contribution to the game consists of making a big deal out of some rolename controversy within his own house on N0. Aside from complaining that Clarity unwittingly ruined some sort of plan (lolwhatever), there's almost nothing of substance in his filter aside from a townread on Dandel (like that means anything).
His activity also fits in with his scum meta-activity as evidenced by the same sort of lurky and somewhat disinterested play he exhibited in Sicilian. He's set himself up so that he is voting for who his house wants to vote for, conveniently absolving himself of any true scumhunting in-thread.
There is a very obvious scum pattern that he is adhering to perfectly.
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Aside from meta there are connections with the rest of my proposed scumteam:
On August 21 2013 10:25 yamato77 wrote:
Let's talk about Onegu. I didn't really notice anything noteworthy from him. What makes his play this game different from his play in GoT? Seems similar.
On August 22 2013 08:55 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 08:52 FirmTofu wrote:
WoS, why are you voting Crazometer when you have a case on rayn that you have never retracted from? Only he did retract it... >_>
How would you even know this unless you are on the scumteam and are hyper aware of who is accusing your teammates?
On August 22 2013 09:05 yamato77 wrote:RE: Fuba Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 14:40 mkfuba07 wrote:
I'm not really convinced of either WoS or rayn being scum. I answered WoS's question the way I did because he seemed to be suggesting that something big was coming, which in my mind always means some kind of reveal. I'm not sure what that could be, other than a roleclaim. Thus the theory was born. It feels like their cases against each other can be summed up as "town WoS didn't feel like answering a question" and "town rayn got annoyed that WoS didn't answer his question". I can certainly see how each case could describe the other person's actions as though they're scum, but I don't really see why the town explanation isn't simpler. As it is now, I'd probably guess both as town due to how many times I've seen this kind of townie v. townie fighting D1. And the fact that neither wagon (even though we haven't really started voting yet) picked up a whole lot of steam throughout the night kind of makes me think I'm right. I guess we'll see more when D1 actually starts. Second smartest man in the thread. Not getting a feel that scum would post this.
This is yamato patting his scumbuddy on the back for GRADE A town reads. Yup townreads are pretty easy to make when you are scum.
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Scumteam can surrender whenever. See you postgame to accept my MVP reward.
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yup I just realized that this would be yamato rolling scum for the 3rd game in a row...no wonder he doesn't give a shit lol
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On August 25 2013 03:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
yup I just realized that this would be yamato rolling scum for the 3rd game in a row...no wonder he doesn't give a shit lol
Oats 3rd time medic as well.
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yes the oats medic thing is a lot weirder. I wonder if he actually used his saves this game? DP seemed like an obvious choice just like vivax was in titanic but he never saves anyone 
anyways
##vote:yamato77
im outta here for now
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##vote yamato
I would rather kill the other guys first but it really doesn't matter I suppose
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Here are all four parts in one post for your viewing pleasure:
Part 1 :Crazo's filter
+ Show Spoiler +On August 25 2013 00:56 kushm4sta wrote:Whoever had the common sense to vig crazo just won us this game. 8=========> PROOF OF THE CRAZO/YAMATO/FUBA/ONEGU SCUMTEAMPart I: Crazo's filter <=========8 Crazo had a very straightforward scumgame. Soft defend scumbuddies, push suspicion on everyone else. Here is the list of people he casted serious suspicion of at one point or another: kush wos rayne sn0 vayne koshi He also casted light suspicion on several other people (as seen on in the quotation below). And all this was in a 2 page filter. He thought nearly everyone was scummy, EXCEPT FOR... Here is the people he defended: MKFUBAShow nested quote +On August 22 2013 16:45 Crazometer wrote:
I thought mkfuba seemed questionable, but after going through his filter I now feel the attention on mkfuba seems to be misdirected. It seems that rainbows is just taking what fuba said personally and retaliating. Geript seems to be just jumping on the bandwagon. I'll probably look over the filters for those two next and see what I come up with. Regarding the uniqueness of my views, have you seen inception? He attacks Vayne for attacking yamato in this post. He never says it, but clearly he is implying that YAMATO is town. Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 14:45 Crazometer wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Re Vayne: Pages 1-2 of his filter give a strong townie vibe, but beyond shooting down yamato there isn't much contribution. On August 23 2013 09:47 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 09:44 yamato77 wrote:On August 23 2013 09:41 VayneAuthority wrote:By that same token, you are mafia yamato. No real pressure this game yet. Yamato's case ![[image loading]](http://gifs.gifbin.com/082013/1377174052_giant_louisiana_sinkhole_swallows_trees.gif) I've been far more proactive in the thread than you have. I haven't played since yesterday, so what? I'm here now, and you still have yet to do anything to discount the feeling I have that you are mafia. and back to square one, the proactive thing again. A lot of people that like repeating stuff in this game like it somehow sounds better the second time. I've easily discredited everything you've said so far so I'll leave it at that. If you have anything new i'll be glad to demolish that too. Cocky, anti-discussion. On August 24 2013 02:40 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 02:34 Sn0_Man wrote:On August 24 2013 02:24 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 24 2013 02:18 Sn0_Man wrote:
Its hard to read you as town when you did literally no scumhunting D1, threw away your vote on somebody who obviously wasn't getting lynched AND never even tried to convince others to lynch him, made no case on him beyond "well you voted me and I warned you I'll vote you back" and are now calling him "insanely scummy" still without further justification. And are implying that you have done your job and that it certainly couldn't be even a fraction your fault that we just lynched a powerful blue role.
I'd love to hear some reasons why yamato is scummy. Preferably compare/contrast them to A) a confirmed red check and B) Actively driving a mislynch for ~70 hours. whats the point of convincing you of anything when you are already too biased? All of the things you just said describe yamato also but he somehow isn't scummy to you. Hmm.. 1. threw away his vote as well 2. did no scumhunting 3. said he would not change his vote no matter what Yamato contributed more day 1. I really wish he didn't also play awfully by voting the way he did, but he isn't here claiming he did his job by OMGUSing. The very act of taking the initiative to vote for somebody of his own accord is better than just sitting there waiting for somebody to vote you so you can vote them back. I mean, you just listed what he did, said he did the same as you, and described him as insanely scummy. Also where did I call him "not scummy" I said nobody made a case on him including you. Really, I don't want to lynch you for at least 5 IRL days so I'm not sure why you are so convinced I'm biased against you. andd checkmate. What alignment am I again when I look really scummy? Oh that's right, town. why do you need a case so badly to decide of somebody is scum or not? Can't think on your own without sheeping a case to make yourself look decent? Bias is pretty much the definition of my last post; you are arguing with me about what I am doing when yamato is doing the same exact thing then asking me why he is scummy? How does that make any sense? Yamato contributing more is completely subjective so not even going to comment on that. Cocky, anti discussion. As one of the town you tend to have a stronger passion and more of an urgency in your scumhunting. I'm not really seeing any of that here. He seems to be happy, perhaps even prefer, to have others not agree with him. On August 24 2013 02:53 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 02:48 Sn0_Man wrote:
@vayne Sorry, I don't have the time to comprehensively reread 14 people every time they post. I start with a read, and it develops as they post (yam looked town). If you wish to make me reconsider, make a case and if it looks promising I will re-evaluate that person completely via filter etc. Very simple.
Did you seriously just say that "When I'm Scummy that means I'm town"?
This from the guy that started the game with "Please don't judge me by meta but rather by actions" at the start of this game. I just quoted that post like last page.
Yamato contributing more is absolutely objective because he took any initiative whatsoever instead of sitting inside his castle waiting for somebody to come and attack him. He bothered to even call somebody scummy instead of literally "I warned you this would happen" and counter vote 0 argument.
You are free to contribute now though, and if you wish to do so then more power to you. If you achieve anything I'll get off your back. How is that meta? It's a simple fact. Check any game I've ever played in. When nobody suspects me, I have been scum more often than not. When people say I look scummy I'm town because scum need to try and make garbage tier arguments on the less tryhard players since that's all they can really do. Why do you care how we got to the end result? The fact of the matter is yamato did no more than me in getting a scum lynched yesterday, anything other than that is your completely biased opinion. I'll contribute on my own grounds, until I know at least one scum there is very few people I trust right now It really all comes off cocky and lone rangerish. At first I thought he was a strong silent type but now I'm leaning towards a red or black role. Maybe he just had a bad day  . NO mention of ONEGU at all, ever. I think he's the only person in the game he never mentions. PART II COMING! A look inside fuba's filter.
Part II: Fuba's filter
+ Show Spoiler +On August 25 2013 01:50 kushm4sta wrote:8=========> PROOF OF THE CRAZO/YAMATO/FUBA/ONEGU SCUMTEAM
Part II: fuba's filter <=========8 Fuba is the more experienced player, and naturally a more deceptive scum. He townreads some obv town. He soft suspects some scum. Fuba actually tries quite hard to distance himself from his scum partners. But it doesn't look natural. Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 19:09 mkfuba07 wrote:
crazo is new (feel like it's a waste of a lynch, but possibly a fine vig shot depending on his activity N1), vayne is an enigma, and I'm just kind of mentally shrugging at onegu, rainbows, and johnny. Yamato... I could probably get behind a yamato lynch. I can't think of much contribution from him this game. I think he called me smart once and I've just kind of ignored him since because I'm a narcissist =/ Everyone else I'm at least leaning town on.
I'm probably going to stick with WoS either way. Interactions with him regardless of his flip will give a lot of information to work with, and we'll be able to move off of him as a topic of discussion (kind of a shitty reason, but I've felt bogged down in it for the whole game). Crazo is just new guys. Vig only if he doesn't talk again. Mentally shrugging at onegu? check Could lynch yamato but gonna lynch WoS probably no matter what? check Cutsie reason not to pursue his suspicion of yamato (called him smart)? check 8=========> Ok the next give away in Fuba's filter is how he directly asks his scumteam questions to distance himself/ demonstrate normal townie interactions. Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 09:34 mkfuba07 wrote:
@FirmTofu: the way you described my response is the definition of my play in general. I know it means nothing coming from me, but anyone who's played with me before should be able to confirm that.
Hmmm, this game is tough... I've narrowed down a few people I believe are town, but none that I can say I feel confident are scum.
@yamato: Have you played with vayne before? If so, does his play this game differ in any way from his previous games? Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 15:31 mkfuba07 wrote:
@FT: Why is situation 1 unlikely?
@Onegu: Don't you find it incredibly dangerous to fakeclaim a named role, which is typically claimed immediately if it exists, before everyone in the game has even posted? Any of the remaining people could have been the actual SAM. And if he was going to fakeclaim in that situation, then why wait to claim instead of doing it earlier? Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 15:48 mkfuba07 wrote:
@Crazometer: What happened to your suspicions of geript? Current thoughts on johnny?
@Onegu: When you say "town" do you mean SAM, or a VT who is decidedly not SAM? I'd agree that random VTs would never claim SAM, because that's 100% nonsensical. There's absolutely no reason for it. Given the situation this game, where Koshi claimed before everyone else in the thread posted, do you think it's more likely that he is scum?
@FT: First of all, if you're SAM and someone counter-claims you, then they're scum. You've just gotten a 1-for-1 trade (at worst). Pretty good deal. Second, if you are town and know that you will show red to cop checks, you should tell town that. It avoids the really shitty situation where someone checks you, you come up red, and THEN claim SAM. I've actually never been in a game where someone has said it doesn't make sense to claim when you're SAM, so I'm really confused as to why that idea seems so prevalent this game. He throws in some FT questions to disguise his purpose, but you can see that his questions to FT are of a different nature. His questions to his scumteam are always about different people, never really accusatory.
Part II: Onegu's filter
+ Show Spoiler +On August 25 2013 02:05 kushm4sta wrote:8=========> PROOF OF THE CRAZO/YAMATO/FUBA/ONEGU SCUMTEAM
Part III: Onegu's filter <=========8 Like his fellow newbie scum partner crazo, onegu likes to defend his scumbuddies: Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 19:24 Onegu wrote:
Second he goes after craz for what I thought was a non serious post just saying he was going to sleep.
Translation: stfu getript lay off my scumbuddy. Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 14:57 Onegu wrote:
So the two biggest things that stuck out to me. Im not really up for a yamato lynch. Have to go over his filter again but why wouldnt we lynch the other scummy person in sn0? Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 14:57 Onegu wrote:On August 24 2013 13:51 Crazometer wrote:
I agree with the sentiment that Rayns parity check is inconclusive however I wouldn't go as far as tofu suggested and discard it completely. Perhaps the other cop, should they exist, will be able to work some magic for us tonight to figure that all out. I'm curious as to what other people think the chances of the SAM claim being accurate are? I'll look through his filter now and try to produce a number.
Otherwise, sn0 and vayne are probably the most suspicious to me. The pointed out sn0 attitude flip (against other threads) just doesn't feel right, he seems to bounce around from high to low spirited too much as well. Something about Vayne doesn't smell right either so I'll look through his filter and see if anything pops up but I'll probably get what I search for. I like this post alot makes me feel better about crazy. Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 15:13 Onegu wrote:
And crazy post I liked because it called your post out, gave his thoughts which I thought townie, and while I want him to scum hunt and follow up on that post it made me feel townie from him.
Part IV: Yamato's filter
+ Show Spoiler +On August 25 2013 02:44 kushm4sta wrote:part 4 yamato is scum i got lazy edition Yamato is probably the best player on the scumteam. His meta is a pretty huge give away however. meta Yamato is the kind of player who plays this game to solve the puzzle and figure out who the scum are. So playing as scum is just as aspect of the game Yamato does not enjoy. Every time he rolls scum he never gives a single shit. Last game he rolled scum instead of defending himself, he just starting posting memes! I questioned him about his meta, and the example he gave as lazy town in LXI does not show a yamato that doesn't give a shit. In fact he gets very emotional several times in that game. It's just he acted sort of like a troll that game. Completely different behavior than this game. Usually as scum yamato will make one try hard post with big fancy words in the beginning of the game. Then he gives up. Exactly that happened in his past scumgames and it happened again this game. This is his try hard post this game: Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 10:09 yamato77 wrote:
Vayne's first post is suspect. His most definitive read is a 3P read (wtf?) on a player already under suspicion. Why is he so strongly considering the possibility of a 3P? As with Rayn before, the preoccupation with reads that aren't in the town<--->scum continuum is something worth noting. The rest of his post is notably garbage and he has yet to substantiate anything he's said so far. Definitely flying under the radar due to the massive blip of a shitstorm Rayn/DP/WoS created.
His last scumgame, GOT, this was his tryhard post: Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 05:51 yamato77 wrote:
Most of SNB's contribution to the game consists of making a big deal out of some rolename controversy within his own house on N0. Aside from complaining that Clarity unwittingly ruined some sort of plan (lolwhatever), there's almost nothing of substance in his filter aside from a townread on Dandel (like that means anything).
His activity also fits in with his scum meta-activity as evidenced by the same sort of lurky and somewhat disinterested play he exhibited in Sicilian. He's set himself up so that he is voting for who his house wants to vote for, conveniently absolving himself of any true scumhunting in-thread. There is a very obvious scum pattern that he is adhering to perfectly. ~~~~~~~~ Aside from meta there are connections with the rest of my proposed scumteam: Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 10:25 yamato77 wrote:
Let's talk about Onegu. I didn't really notice anything noteworthy from him. What makes his play this game different from his play in GoT? Seems similar. Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 08:55 yamato77 wrote:On August 22 2013 08:52 FirmTofu wrote:
WoS, why are you voting Crazometer when you have a case on rayn that you have never retracted from? Only he did retract it... >_> How would you even know this unless you are on the scumteam and are hyper aware of who is accusing your teammates? Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 09:05 yamato77 wrote:RE: Fuba On August 21 2013 14:40 mkfuba07 wrote:
I'm not really convinced of either WoS or rayn being scum. I answered WoS's question the way I did because he seemed to be suggesting that something big was coming, which in my mind always means some kind of reveal. I'm not sure what that could be, other than a roleclaim. Thus the theory was born. It feels like their cases against each other can be summed up as "town WoS didn't feel like answering a question" and "town rayn got annoyed that WoS didn't answer his question". I can certainly see how each case could describe the other person's actions as though they're scum, but I don't really see why the town explanation isn't simpler. As it is now, I'd probably guess both as town due to how many times I've seen this kind of townie v. townie fighting D1. And the fact that neither wagon (even though we haven't really started voting yet) picked up a whole lot of steam throughout the night kind of makes me think I'm right. I guess we'll see more when D1 actually starts. Second smartest man in the thread. Not getting a feel that scum would post this. This is yamato patting his scumbuddy on the back for GRADE A town reads. Yup townreads are pretty easy to make when you are scum.
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Unfortunately, it's not baby seals time.
This is something I set my alarm to wake up and post last night, a minute before the flip:
I'm Chie Satonaka, and I shot crazometer tonight. There's no breadcrumb or anything. I figure an extra death will speak for itself.
Why crazometer? There's a wide array of reasons, many of which have nothing to do with how scummy I find him. It's more of a process of elimination, coupled with how dangerous I think he could be late game as either alignment. Once I eliminated all my town reads, all the people I'm unsure of but who might be viable scum nk targets if they're town, and people whose alignments I feel will be easier to figure out as time goes on, I was left with a really short list. I settled on crazometer because I don't think I'd ever be comfortable with any read on him this game.
I know he doesn't seem to be a high-priority target at the moment. So many shots have been requested that I just kind of started zoning them out. I wasn't sure who to target based on scumminess, so I went with someone I felt would have the possibility of flipping scum as well as someone who would make me uncomfortable until endgame if he stayed alive.
Ultimately, I'm playing it safe.
I, again unfortunately, woke up at 6:45 my time, 45 minutes after the flip, with pain in my right eye because my contacts dried out or something. Checked the thread, saw crazo was scum, but rayn sugggested not claiming. Figured I could wait on the claim since it was already too late to be optimal (should have been posted right before the flip) and went to sleep off the aching in my eye. Now that I'm somewhat accused, I decided to just come out with it :D
Unless someone has a counterclaim, at least one person in kush's list is wrong. I'd agree about lynching onegu and most likely yamato, though. I haven't liked Rainbows all that much, but that could just be indignation at being accused. Don't really need to have the entire scumteam pegged atm, though.
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kush i'm so proud of you
yeah yamato easy scum, exactly like GoT. if he flips town i will eat my shoe. I believe fubas claim and I think that his filter is the weakest in your case. I do believe he is telling the truth and is town.
I do want to know what to do about rayn though. No matter what, I'm still going to have a lingering thought that rayn got red checked >_> I know it's not certain but it makes me suspicious of whatever he does now. I don't think rayn is the best lynch considering everything else, so the problems going to remain (for me...I don't know if anyone else feels the same). I think yamato is probably the best lynch.
before this i was eh about onegu, never really thought about him, but yeah you're right kush he looks scummy as fuck
##vote yamato77
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I really hope Mr. Evul Snowman is the 4th.
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On August 25 2013 02:33 VayneAuthority wrote:
btw, I can't see us having a cop, doctor, and JOAT in the same game so I'm pretty sure that last blue spot is just the one shot vigilante, meaning they are basically VT now. If I'm correct it might be worth coming forward on who shot crazo and seeing if there are any CCs. It would make this lynch a lot easier if we had confirmed town leading it.
Why don't you vote for yamato, who gives the doubt of SK?
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sry, i did not read the thread fully. yeah sno, yamato, rainbows, crazo. ggyo!
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On August 25 2013 03:08 VayneAuthority wrote:yes the oats medic thing is a lot weirder. I wonder if he actually used his saves this game? DP seemed like an obvious choice just like vivax was in titanic but he never saves anyone anyways ##vote:yamato77im outta here for now
Oats prolly docced me on N0, as DP died. There were no other good targets.
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? it will become apparent really quickly if there is an SK. it's just a one shot vig, so if there if ever 2 kills in a phase again we know that they simply both killed DP the first night. For now we trust mkfuba, who I didn't think was scum anyway.
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As an aside, Crazo simply put a vote on kush and never felt the need to change it, which makes me feel like day 1 was a town vs town lynch. I have a lot more inhibitions about lynching sn0_man now. I feel like rainbows is the more likely missing link, if it isn't rayn and just sitting in our face.
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