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On August 25 2013 06:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
As an aside, Crazo simply put a vote on kush and never felt the need to change it, which makes me feel like day 1 was a town vs town lynch. I have a lot more inhibitions about lynching sn0_man now. I feel like rainbows is the more likely missing link, if it isn't rayn and just sitting in our face.
sorry, i do not understand. Can you explain?
Also can you explain to me specifically (assume i am town, so i can make some sense in your explanation).
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blah, i mean, vayne, can you explain this specifically to me, assume i am town. thanks :p
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Why would crazo be content to just sit on kush the entire phase if one of his partners was ever in danger of being lynched? Sn0_man and WoS both came close to being lynched multiple times and eventually one was. There never seemed to be any urgency to actually make his vote count since as scum you are much more stringent with your vote usually since you have less people.
Also refer back to what I said about onegu flip flopping on sno man and WoS, he did not give two shits about who was going to be lynched between them.
It simply seems like it was a town on town lynch any way I cut it.
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Hmm.. you might be right, but.
The point is, does Snoman look town to you for his actions? Crazy was new, he does what he does, but you can't really tell Sno's affiliaton from his actions. Is there something that supports your theory? Like, was Czazo flip-floppy when Sno's life was on line (it was), was he all the way "i do not care"?
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Also remember that Crazy was not the only scum in this game. Why does it need to be specifically him to redirect the lynch?
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It doesn't but he's the only piece I have to work off right now. He pretty much vanished for the entire "crunch time" portion of the lynch, using the excuse that the thread was moving too fast and then never actually following up on it.
He also started throwing shit on sno_man along with me as soon as WoS flipped, so there's that. If you think he's good enough to do the old 1 scum/1 town thing then by all means, but I'm not buying that. Right now sn0_man is town for me im pretty convinced after looking up at the intel
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scum suspects for me right is narrowed down to from strongest to least
onegu
yamato
rainbows
johnnywup (geript randomly suspicious of crazo for absolutely garbage tier reasons, johnny replaces in and he is suspicious of crazo for absolutely terrible reasons as well. bus anyone?)
rayn (just because of the check really, I thought you were playing a town game)
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nah i dont believe it. therre is an sk who killed crazo and scum knows it
On August 25 2013 04:28 mkfuba07 wrote:Unfortunately, it's not baby seals time. This is something I set my alarm to wake up and post last night, a minute before the flip: Show nested quote +I'm Chie Satonaka, and I shot crazometer tonight. There's no breadcrumb or anything. I figure an extra death will speak for itself.
Why crazometer? There's a wide array of reasons, many of which have nothing to do with how scummy I find him. It's more of a process of elimination, coupled with how dangerous I think he could be late game as either alignment. Once I eliminated all my town reads, all the people I'm unsure of but who might be viable scum nk targets if they're town, and people whose alignments I feel will be easier to figure out as time goes on, I was left with a really short list. I settled on crazometer because I don't think I'd ever be comfortable with any read on him this game.
I know he doesn't seem to be a high-priority target at the moment. So many shots have been requested that I just kind of started zoning them out. I wasn't sure who to target based on scumminess, so I went with someone I felt would have the possibility of flipping scum as well as someone who would make me uncomfortable until endgame if he stayed alive.
Ultimately, I'm playing it safe. I, again unfortunately, woke up at 6:45 my time, 45 minutes after the flip, with pain in my right eye because my contacts dried out or something. Checked the thread, saw crazo was scum, but rayn sugggested not claiming. Figured I could wait on the claim since it was already too late to be optimal (should have been posted right before the flip) and went to sleep off the aching in my eye. Now that I'm somewhat accused, I decided to just come out with it :D Unless someone has a counterclaim, at least one person in kush's list is wrong. I'd agree about lynching onegu and most likely yamato, though. I haven't liked Rainbows all that much, but that could just be indignation at being accused. Don't really need to have the entire scumteam pegged atm, though.
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On August 24 2013 20:18 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 20:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's probably not wise to claim as a vigi even if you are the one-shot one. There is also the possibility of JOAT so keep mafia guessing. Well done! Could easily be SK, IMO. Don't count your chickens before they hatch.
this is an indication that scumteam knows there is an sk. Otherwise there's no way yamato would have thought that crazo could have been an sked.
how does scum know?? they try to kill someone n0 but their kill doesn't go through because it's on the SK. sk picked extra night life. They know there is an sk because he is the one who targeted DP.
Other explanation: both sk and dp targetted DP n1 or one of their kills was protected. scum know that rayne is sk because they didn't frame him and he got that red parity check.
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Vote count
Yamato77: (6) Raynepelikoneet, Koshi, Rainbows, VayneAuthority, Johnnywup, Kushm4sta
Currently Yamato77 is set to be lynched.
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Yup Rayne is sk. Scum just gonna rb him the rest of the game to hide his kp.
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On August 25 2013 08:21 kushm4sta wrote:
Yup Rayne is sk. Scum just gonna rb him the rest of the game to hide his kp.
I agree it's a possibility actually. Let's go over the facts
Rayn asks to be vigged because it's the "right move for town". If we consider that he could be an SK then...he has 2 nightlives AND comes out red to checks. Since koshi is almost 100% turning out red to checks and the parity was same, Rayn is either framed, NSAM, or SK with 2 nightlives. This only really makes sense if fuba is scum or at least lying about being vig. I'm not convinced fuba is scum though, so I dunno if it's true but it's a possibility. I'm more inclined to believe fuba though :|
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Crazo was talking about an SK in vayne. Hmm.
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Not saying vayne is SK, saying that it is possible there is 1.
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Hey, it's D2 and I'm finding Vayne more-and-more townie. I guess he was right earlier.
Kush, how do I, as scum, know there's no vigilante to counterclaim me? Or do you think I resorted to claiming out of fear because you caught the entire scumteam on D2 and we saw absolutely no way out of it other than to have one of us claim the nk? There's no evidence whatsoever of there being an SK. And there's nothing illegitimate about anything you quoted from my filter. According to you, I also distanced myself from vayne, rainbows, and johnny. I also didn't say to vig crazo only if he never speaks again, I said that based on how he performed N1 he might be a worthwhile vig shot. I clearly still felt that way because I actually shot him (another option was Onegu, but I changed my mind after sending in his name XD).
As for the questions to crazo, FT, and onegu, I was trying to come to a final decision about who I would shoot, and the questions helped me do that. Does my question to crazo not indicate that I was looking into his filter? Early on he seemed to be really suspicious of geript. Once johnny switched in he just kind of forgot about him completely until I mentioned him. Rayn mentioned how scum tend to have trouble keeping their scumreads straight, and while WoS forgot to add onegu to a single list (not all that indicative of much), crazometer didn't mention geript/johnny at all after the switch (much more strange). As for FT and Onegu, Koshi wasn't a viable lynch for me since N0, and I found it weird that they hadn't come to the same conclusion. I found FT more townie than Onegu after the whole exchange, and found it particularly strange that VTs fakeclaiming was brought up, considering I can see no reason whatsoever to do such a thing. Ultimately I went with crazo because it felt better/safer than Onegu.
Finally...
On August 25 2013 08:21 kushm4sta wrote:
Yup Rayne is sk. Scum just gonna rb him the rest of the game to hide his kp.
If "we" knew rayn was sk, why would we let him shoot N1?
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Mr Lion King. Plz be the vigi so we don't have to go SK hunting later.
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EBWOP: And why would yamato mention sk if we're apparently trying to cover up his existence by claiming responsibility for the kill?
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