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On August 09 2013 14:27 FirmTofu wrote:You people are useless. Alright, I do it myself. Here is the post for reference. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423047¤tpage=28#551Here is Yamato's opening scum post in Sicilian Mafia Style game. Yes, I know these are two different people, but this is still relevant. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884¤tpage=11#215Here are Ver's thoughts on Yamato's first post: Show nested quote +Yamato77 is almost certainly mafia based off of his first post here. I’d vote him in heartbeat. This is the quintessential mafia post. Definitely my #1 find. I didn’t even have to read any other posts by him. Remember point 1 about mafia having a hard time entering the thread? I’ve snagged many many people from intuition judging from only their first post of the game. This is confirmed from a brief glance at his posts in Personality Mafia 2 where he was an unabashed townie making strong posts and not holding back. This post here is completely the opposite. He’s holding back, not caring, not pressing as hard as he should be. Can you feeeeeel the apathy? Does he really care about the town’s best interests? Do you see the similarity? Afrocales' post looks very constructed and deliberate. He holds back by soft-accuses Oats instead of pushing him like he should be. The apathy is in plain sight for everyone to see. He is just trying to establish thread presence and likability(w/ his RP) without actually scumhunting in the slightest. We have scum in our sights, people.
My speech is simply the way learned nobles of the Reach speak. I know this sometimes confuses the common peasants, but why did you feel the need to upstage the ongoing conversations with such trifling evidence? What was your intention with your "grand reveal", which seemed to indicate a monumentous discovery of epic proportions. With your dramatic presentation, I was expecting you had discovered that Aegon the Conqueror had returned to slay us all.
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What's there to respond to?
Obviously you can (and will) try to make it sound super pro town (durr), but I disagree with that interpretation.
The fact that they are people I find scummy makes the action null for now.
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I didn't mention the hp check because it wasn't part of my case? I'm not sure what you're referring too based on that last statement.
You did mention the hp check.
On August 09 2013 09:02 Oberyn wrote:
More on Acrofales:
I first contact him via pm's because I found his conclusion that DI and koshi are both town quite puzzling. When I asked about it futher, he explained that he doesn't think DI truly thinks that sol and koshi are town, he is simply pressuring them. Based on DI's emotional tunnel, I certainly do not draw the same conclusion. He also inadequately explains why koshi is town. He states that DI is overreacting on his views about koshi., but how is this indicative of koshi's alignment? He states that he isn't interested in considering a koshi lynch, but doesn't provide a solid reason. Furthermore, if you earlier thought that DI was faking his read on koshi to pressure him, how is he suddenly overreacting on his read? That's a contradiction.
Initially, he thought that it was a good idea to use the health check simply to figure out the hp system. This is incredibly anti-town. When I attack him for his plan, he quickly drops it.
Acro's house is a slew of inactives, but he has shown little interest in dealing with them.
In the thread, Acro has said a lot of nothing. He is using the role playing nonsense to cover up the fact that he isn't sharing many strong reads. I see little reason why he shouldn't be considered for a lynch today.
My issue isn't that you gave multiple reasons for a scumread and a vote, my issue with it is that it's all backwards.
You vote acro for ONE reason, and then you suddenly have 6 more reasons to call him scum. One of which is a strong misrepresentation. None of the others reasons were discussed by you anywhere before.
Why do you tell rayn you have a scumread on acro but don't give him reasons AND tell him to not tell anyone else.
You mention you said it to multiple players, who else? Did you give them reasons or is it the same as with rayn?
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On August 09 2013 21:55 Oberyn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 21:54 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 09 2013 21:52 Oberyn wrote:On August 09 2013 21:49 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 09 2013 21:44 Oberyn wrote:On August 09 2013 17:59 Dandel Ion wrote:
imo we should agree on 3 of them and have 2 houses shoot them respectively. If you're going to say this, you have to list names. On August 09 2013 20:10 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 09 2013 20:05 Clarity_nl wrote:
Any thoughts on Oberyn dandel? I don't like how he plays. It feels like he's always trying to talk about things that are not relevant at the moment. Like, he keeps annoying me about sol while koshi is the topic, then when we finally talk about sol, the topic he liked so much, he suddenly goes on about acro instead. Not sure what that means for his alignment but it ain't feeling right. So you attack me for asking about sol, but you would be quite happy with sol. You attack me for poking at Acro, but you understand why he would be suspicious. And this means that my play doesn't "feel right"? In what way does moving forward the conversation targeted at people you view as likely scum make you dislike my play? If you can't even look at the signup-list and be able to tell who isn't posting, you aren't reading the thread. There is no reason to respond like this as town. I asked you for specific individuals that you believe should be shot. There are at least 10 people who could be classified as lurkers. They obviously aren't all mafia. Which ones are more likely to flip mafia? See, you do know who's a lurker and who's not. Wasn't that hard was it. Are you trying to imitate Ace or something? Keep working on it.
yeah sure buddy you sure showed me
oh boy
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Dandel Ion, I think it's a reasonable question though. We obviously can't KP every lurker. Which ones would you prefer?
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On August 09 2013 14:50 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 14:44 FirmTofu wrote:On August 09 2013 14:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Acro's first post felt way more constructed. Like not even close to being natural cause he was Roleplaying. So I dont think its alignment indicative. So you think the fact that it was more constructed makes it non-alignment indicative? Wouldn't scum be more worried about the content of their posts than town? Why would constructed flavor not be alignment indicative? Because both scum and town have to construct a roleplaying post. Its not natural either way so therefore the fact that its constructed is not alignment indicative. The content on the other hand, may be. I dunno.
In case my earlier discourse was unclear, Ser Oatsmaster has clearly traveled in the Reach and caught onto my way of speaking immediately.
Regarding the content: the young Tofu seems to think that I was afraid of calling Ser Oatsmaster a Blackfyre. Rest assured that if I had thought that, I would have called him a Blackfyre then and there. At the time, all I wanted was to hear more from him, and I said so.
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On August 09 2013 21:55 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 14:27 FirmTofu wrote:You people are useless. Alright, I do it myself. Here is the post for reference. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423047¤tpage=28#551Here is Yamato's opening scum post in Sicilian Mafia Style game. Yes, I know these are two different people, but this is still relevant. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884¤tpage=11#215Here are Ver's thoughts on Yamato's first post: Yamato77 is almost certainly mafia based off of his first post here. I’d vote him in heartbeat. This is the quintessential mafia post. Definitely my #1 find. I didn’t even have to read any other posts by him. Remember point 1 about mafia having a hard time entering the thread? I’ve snagged many many people from intuition judging from only their first post of the game. This is confirmed from a brief glance at his posts in Personality Mafia 2 where he was an unabashed townie making strong posts and not holding back. This post here is completely the opposite. He’s holding back, not caring, not pressing as hard as he should be. Can you feeeeeel the apathy? Does he really care about the town’s best interests? Do you see the similarity? Afrocales' post looks very constructed and deliberate. He holds back by soft-accuses Oats instead of pushing him like he should be. The apathy is in plain sight for everyone to see. He is just trying to establish thread presence and likability(w/ his RP) without actually scumhunting in the slightest. We have scum in our sights, people. My speech is simply the way learned nobles of the Reach speak. I know this sometimes confuses the common peasants, but why did you feel the need to upstage the ongoing conversations with such trifling evidence? What was your intention with your "grand reveal", which seemed to indicate a monumentous discovery of epic proportions. With your dramatic presentation, I was expecting you had discovered that Aegon the Conqueror had returned to slay us all.
Seriously -.- This post is 4 lines long and yet says nothing. Try to make some sense.
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I am not convinced by those calling the Red Viper a Blackfyre because his case against me was incremental. While his case against me is nonsense, and any trust I had placed in him is gone, I don't believe the fact that he presented his evidence incrementally is indicative of his true intentions at all.
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On August 09 2013 22:05 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 21:55 Acrofales wrote:On August 09 2013 14:27 FirmTofu wrote:You people are useless. Alright, I do it myself. Here is the post for reference. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423047¤tpage=28#551Here is Yamato's opening scum post in Sicilian Mafia Style game. Yes, I know these are two different people, but this is still relevant. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884¤tpage=11#215Here are Ver's thoughts on Yamato's first post: Yamato77 is almost certainly mafia based off of his first post here. I’d vote him in heartbeat. This is the quintessential mafia post. Definitely my #1 find. I didn’t even have to read any other posts by him. Remember point 1 about mafia having a hard time entering the thread? I’ve snagged many many people from intuition judging from only their first post of the game. This is confirmed from a brief glance at his posts in Personality Mafia 2 where he was an unabashed townie making strong posts and not holding back. This post here is completely the opposite. He’s holding back, not caring, not pressing as hard as he should be. Can you feeeeeel the apathy? Does he really care about the town’s best interests? Do you see the similarity? Afrocales' post looks very constructed and deliberate. He holds back by soft-accuses Oats instead of pushing him like he should be. The apathy is in plain sight for everyone to see. He is just trying to establish thread presence and likability(w/ his RP) without actually scumhunting in the slightest. We have scum in our sights, people. My speech is simply the way learned nobles of the Reach speak. I know this sometimes confuses the common peasants, but why did you feel the need to upstage the ongoing conversations with such trifling evidence? What was your intention with your "grand reveal", which seemed to indicate a monumentous discovery of epic proportions. With your dramatic presentation, I was expecting you had discovered that Aegon the Conqueror had returned to slay us all. Seriously -.- This post is 4 lines long and yet says nothing. Try to make some sense.
Now you know how I feel whenever I hear you talk!
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Look acro, I can understand you but realize that you just used 3 full lines to say you disagree with me and you thought his case was bad. Just drop the RP please, it's tedious to read.
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My earlier speech is far from meaningless, though. Firstly I debunk the young Tofu's strange claims regarding the way I speak.
Secondly, I voice my concern regarding the way he presented his evidence. I believe he could just be an overeager squire, trying to please in whatever way he can, but I don't rule out pretender motivations. I wish to hear his own explanation. It seems like he might have tried to trump up his contribution to seem like he was a valuable member of society, while in fact being a Blackfyre sympathizer.
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On August 09 2013 22:08 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 22:05 Xatalos wrote:On August 09 2013 21:55 Acrofales wrote:On August 09 2013 14:27 FirmTofu wrote:You people are useless. Alright, I do it myself. Here is the post for reference. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423047¤tpage=28#551Here is Yamato's opening scum post in Sicilian Mafia Style game. Yes, I know these are two different people, but this is still relevant. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884¤tpage=11#215Here are Ver's thoughts on Yamato's first post: Yamato77 is almost certainly mafia based off of his first post here. I’d vote him in heartbeat. This is the quintessential mafia post. Definitely my #1 find. I didn’t even have to read any other posts by him. Remember point 1 about mafia having a hard time entering the thread? I’ve snagged many many people from intuition judging from only their first post of the game. This is confirmed from a brief glance at his posts in Personality Mafia 2 where he was an unabashed townie making strong posts and not holding back. This post here is completely the opposite. He’s holding back, not caring, not pressing as hard as he should be. Can you feeeeeel the apathy? Does he really care about the town’s best interests? Do you see the similarity? Afrocales' post looks very constructed and deliberate. He holds back by soft-accuses Oats instead of pushing him like he should be. The apathy is in plain sight for everyone to see. He is just trying to establish thread presence and likability(w/ his RP) without actually scumhunting in the slightest. We have scum in our sights, people. My speech is simply the way learned nobles of the Reach speak. I know this sometimes confuses the common peasants, but why did you feel the need to upstage the ongoing conversations with such trifling evidence? What was your intention with your "grand reveal", which seemed to indicate a monumentous discovery of epic proportions. With your dramatic presentation, I was expecting you had discovered that Aegon the Conqueror had returned to slay us all. Seriously -.- This post is 4 lines long and yet says nothing. Try to make some sense. Now you know how I feel whenever I hear you talk!
Right...
Who are you planning to vote for? How are you going to use your KP?
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On August 09 2013 22:07 Acrofales wrote:
I am not convinced by those calling the Red Viper a Blackfyre because his case against me was incremental. While his case against me is nonsense, and any trust I had placed in him is gone, I don't believe the fact that he presented his evidence incrementally is indicative of his true intentions at all.
I wouldn't have even understood this post unless I read it 3 times over. Please stop.
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On August 09 2013 21:56 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +I didn't mention the hp check because it wasn't part of my case? I'm not sure what you're referring too based on that last statement. You did mention the hp check.
You're misunderstanding what I'm referring to. The 1-shot single target hp check was what I did not mention and was what Acro did not understand. I'm referring to when Acro wanted to use the 1-shot house hp check for no real reason other than to figure out the hp system.
On August 09 2013 21:56 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why do you tell rayn you have a scumread on acro but don't give him reasons AND tell him to not tell anyone else.
We discussed the scummy setup analysis. I told him to not tell anyone because I wanted Acro to be more open in PMs if he thought I trusted him.
On August 09 2013 21:56 Clarity_nl wrote:
You mention you said it to multiple players, who else? Did you give them reasons or is it the same as with rayn?
rayn and chrom mainly. I told Onegu that it was a pressure vote. I don't give any other reasoning, nor was I asked really.
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You told onegu it was a pressure vote? Was it?
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On August 09 2013 05:28 Acrofales wrote:Hrmmm, playing a game of elimination, Vivax is the remaining member of House Stark. Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 00:06 Vivax wrote:On August 08 2013 21:20 Koshi wrote:On August 08 2013 19:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 19:47 Koshi wrote:
@ Oats. Tell me why you have townreads on your house. Don't use names but you can at least tell us WHY they are town. It's impossible to actually know if somebody is town in your house. At this point I think Oats his house is filled with scum only. Why I have townreads on the dudes? Cause they are nice and helpful and shit. No obvious scummy pms, natural. Nothing like your house, controversy everywhere. On August 08 2013 21:12 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 21:06 Xatalos wrote:Oats, why do you have a scumread on Koshi again? Because this post before claiming him as scum doesn't really explain it: On August 08 2013 19:47 Oatsmaster wrote:Oats, we just played in Titanic and you come in this thread and say that you know that everybody in your house is town and that you will protect their identity? You must be really REALLY confident in this game.
You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Um what? My reads were mostly right in Titanic. 1 wrong read. whatever. I only prevent you from knowing who I can contact through pms. All this other stuff is really weird. I didnt get elected. koshi didnt explain why dandel's actions was scum, when all the things he said seem to be townie to me, like agressive and shit. Killing kush was probably a joke, dunno. Also, he didnt explain why im scum. This whole statement is bullshit. You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Its not what Im doing at all. And its really weird that this is the conclusion that he drew from my statements so far. 1) Oats townreads are either "nice and shit" or "agressive and shit". 2) Oats does not realise that this game is 6 pages long instead of 20. 3) Oats calls me scum if I point out he is shitting up the thread. 4) Oats does not answer me when I ask him who should be lord in our house in theory, but then wants me to explain to him why I find DI scummy over S0lstice. Here is my first real scumread. This is not concise reasoning for Oats being scum, The first two don't seem relevant, and I'm not sure that he's calling you scum just for 3). 4 is him being an ass to you, isn't necessarily alignment indicative. Do you really think he's scum for those reasons? To me it looks like you're angry at him and calling him scum for that. If you think he's scum then I want to see a clear line of thought in reaching that conclusion. I would like to see any reasons you have for your scumreads to be presented in a concise case with no waffle, especially with material from the thread that's available to everyone. I'm not willing to take anything you and Dandel say regarding lies and inconsistencies during the night at face value until there are members of your house to present their version of events between you two. This seems like a really strange soft-defense of Oatsmaster. Either he was completely oblivious to the goings on in his own house, or he had a town read based on that. I am confused about why he stood up to defend Oatsmaster's honor: he's not calling Koshi scum based on it, in fact there are no conclusions at all. With the knowledge that he had already talked to Oats in private this just looks like a baseless soft-defense of a house member who it seems he should have been suspicious of. Anybody from House Stark (or Vivax himself) want to elaborate on Vivax's role in the internal politicking? Vivax, why did you make this soft-defense post of Oats?
I'm not sure how you call it a soft defense when I was curious about Koshi's rather faulty reasoning for calling Oats scum. Is it a soft defense of the guy attacked by a case when you suspect the maker of the case?
I'll be blunt about Oats, I have no reason to think he's scum at the moment.
I still have to catch up a good bit, and I'm interested into knowing the points of view of the lords, or if you were so nice to point it out quickly, where it has been posted. Who are the lords' targets? Which lords are trying to push their preferences the most? How will you reach an agreement?
@ Oberyn
On August 09 2013 03:53 Oberyn wrote:
Dandel is playing thread bully and I'm strongly considering switching my vote to put him in time out. Nearly every player (koshi, sol, s&B, risen) that has brought up suspicion of dandel, he has responded by attacking their abilities and suggesting that they could be scum. This is extremely indicative of mafia play.
Could the Lannisters explain to me why they felt iamp was the best choice as Lord?
I feel your interest into Dandel ebbed out very quickly, I'm curious to hear about the development of your read so far. With Acrofales entering the scene Dandel seemed to be forgotten for you (you mention him when questioning s0lstice's read, but you don't push him, or confront him with questions), although you called his behaviour out as extremely scummy.
Another matter I would want to know about is your judgment on Koshi. You like to mention Dandel frequently and acknowledged that Koshi might have been overreacting but I didn't see a judgment on Koshi yet from you. I for one am still suspicious of his attack on Oats and his inactivity at the moment.
That said, it would be interesting to know who the lords are considering for kp-lynch. An agreement is needed soon.
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On August 09 2013 22:14 Oberyn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 21:56 Clarity_nl wrote:I didn't mention the hp check because it wasn't part of my case? I'm not sure what you're referring too based on that last statement. You did mention the hp check. You're misunderstanding what I'm referring to. The 1-shot single target hp check was what I did not mention and was what Acro did not understand. I'm referring to when Acro wanted to use the 1-shot house hp check for no real reason other than to figure out the hp system. Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 21:56 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why do you tell rayn you have a scumread on acro but don't give him reasons AND tell him to not tell anyone else. We discussed the scummy setup analysis. I told him to not tell anyone because I wanted Acro to be more open in PMs if he thought I trusted him. Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 21:56 Clarity_nl wrote:
You mention you said it to multiple players, who else? Did you give them reasons or is it the same as with rayn? rayn and chrom mainly. I told Onegu that it was a pressure vote. I don't give any other reasoning, nor was I asked really.
Could you make a summary of your thought process in this issue? You lost me somewhere along the way.
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On August 09 2013 22:16 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 05:28 Acrofales wrote:Hrmmm, playing a game of elimination, Vivax is the remaining member of House Stark. On August 09 2013 00:06 Vivax wrote:On August 08 2013 21:20 Koshi wrote:On August 08 2013 19:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 19:47 Koshi wrote:
@ Oats. Tell me why you have townreads on your house. Don't use names but you can at least tell us WHY they are town. It's impossible to actually know if somebody is town in your house. At this point I think Oats his house is filled with scum only. Why I have townreads on the dudes? Cause they are nice and helpful and shit. No obvious scummy pms, natural. Nothing like your house, controversy everywhere. On August 08 2013 21:12 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 21:06 Xatalos wrote:Oats, why do you have a scumread on Koshi again? Because this post before claiming him as scum doesn't really explain it: On August 08 2013 19:47 Oatsmaster wrote:Oats, we just played in Titanic and you come in this thread and say that you know that everybody in your house is town and that you will protect their identity? You must be really REALLY confident in this game.
You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Um what? My reads were mostly right in Titanic. 1 wrong read. whatever. I only prevent you from knowing who I can contact through pms. All this other stuff is really weird. I didnt get elected. koshi didnt explain why dandel's actions was scum, when all the things he said seem to be townie to me, like agressive and shit. Killing kush was probably a joke, dunno. Also, he didnt explain why im scum. This whole statement is bullshit. You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Its not what Im doing at all. And its really weird that this is the conclusion that he drew from my statements so far. 1) Oats townreads are either "nice and shit" or "agressive and shit". 2) Oats does not realise that this game is 6 pages long instead of 20. 3) Oats calls me scum if I point out he is shitting up the thread. 4) Oats does not answer me when I ask him who should be lord in our house in theory, but then wants me to explain to him why I find DI scummy over S0lstice. Here is my first real scumread. This is not concise reasoning for Oats being scum, The first two don't seem relevant, and I'm not sure that he's calling you scum just for 3). 4 is him being an ass to you, isn't necessarily alignment indicative. Do you really think he's scum for those reasons? To me it looks like you're angry at him and calling him scum for that. If you think he's scum then I want to see a clear line of thought in reaching that conclusion. I would like to see any reasons you have for your scumreads to be presented in a concise case with no waffle, especially with material from the thread that's available to everyone. I'm not willing to take anything you and Dandel say regarding lies and inconsistencies during the night at face value until there are members of your house to present their version of events between you two. This seems like a really strange soft-defense of Oatsmaster. Either he was completely oblivious to the goings on in his own house, or he had a town read based on that. I am confused about why he stood up to defend Oatsmaster's honor: he's not calling Koshi scum based on it, in fact there are no conclusions at all. With the knowledge that he had already talked to Oats in private this just looks like a baseless soft-defense of a house member who it seems he should have been suspicious of. Anybody from House Stark (or Vivax himself) want to elaborate on Vivax's role in the internal politicking? Vivax, why did you make this soft-defense post of Oats? I'm not sure how you call it a soft defense when I was curious about Koshi's rather faulty reasoning for calling Oats scum. Is it a soft defense of the guy attacked by a case when you suspect the maker of the case? I'll be blunt about Oats, I have no reason to think he's scum at the moment. I still have to catch up a good bit, and I'm interested into knowing the points of view of the lords, or if you were so nice to point it out quickly, where it has been posted. Who are the lords' targets? Which lords are trying to push their preferences the most? How will you reach an agreement? @ OberynShow nested quote +On August 09 2013 03:53 Oberyn wrote:
Dandel is playing thread bully and I'm strongly considering switching my vote to put him in time out. Nearly every player (koshi, sol, s&B, risen) that has brought up suspicion of dandel, he has responded by attacking their abilities and suggesting that they could be scum. This is extremely indicative of mafia play.
Could the Lannisters explain to me why they felt iamp was the best choice as Lord? I feel your interest into Dandel ebbed out very quickly, I'm curious to hear about the development of your read so far. With Acrofales entering the scene Dandel seemed to be forgotten for you (you mention him when questioning s0lstice's read, but you don't push him, or confront him with questions), although you called his behaviour out as extremely scummy. Another matter I would want to know about is your judgment on Koshi. You like to mention Dandel frequently and acknowledged that Koshi might have been overreacting but I didn't see a judgment on Koshi yet from you. I for one am still suspicious of his attack on Oats and his inactivity at the moment. That said, it would be interesting to know who the lords are considering for kp-lynch. An agreement is needed soon.
Is Oberyn really unfamiliar with DI's meta? Why would he even cast suspicion on him in the first place - much less without pushing that stance at all?
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On August 09 2013 22:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
You told onegu it was a pressure vote? Was it?
As opposed to a vote meant to not pressure him? Yes I wanted a reaction.
On August 09 2013 03:53 Oberyn wrote:
I feel your interest into Dandel ebbed out very quickly, I'm curious to hear about the development of your read so far. With Acrofales entering the scene Dandel seemed to be forgotten for you (you mention him when questioning s0lstice's read, but you don't push him, or confront him with questions), although you called his behaviour out as extremely scummy.
It hasn't changed and I just asked him a few things less than an hour ago, but he's playing hard to get. I don't think sol and dandel are both scum, which is the part time trying to figure out.
On August 09 2013 00:06 Vivax wrote:
That said, it would be interesting to know who the lords are considering for kp-lynch. An agreement is needed soon.
Suggestions?
On August 09 2013 22:16 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 22:14 Oberyn wrote:On August 09 2013 21:56 Clarity_nl wrote:I didn't mention the hp check because it wasn't part of my case? I'm not sure what you're referring too based on that last statement. You did mention the hp check. You're misunderstanding what I'm referring to. The 1-shot single target hp check was what I did not mention and was what Acro did not understand. I'm referring to when Acro wanted to use the 1-shot house hp check for no real reason other than to figure out the hp system. On August 09 2013 21:56 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why do you tell rayn you have a scumread on acro but don't give him reasons AND tell him to not tell anyone else. We discussed the scummy setup analysis. I told him to not tell anyone because I wanted Acro to be more open in PMs if he thought I trusted him. On August 09 2013 21:56 Clarity_nl wrote:
You mention you said it to multiple players, who else? Did you give them reasons or is it the same as with rayn? rayn and chrom mainly. I told Onegu that it was a pressure vote. I don't give any other reasoning, nor was I asked really. Could you make a summary of your thought process in this issue? You lost me somewhere along the way.
At this point I'd rather focus more on other players than myself, unless there was something about Acro that you don't follow.
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On August 09 2013 22:22 Oberyn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 22:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
You told onegu it was a pressure vote? Was it? As opposed to a vote meant to not pressure him? Yes I wanted a reaction. Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 03:53 Oberyn wrote:
I feel your interest into Dandel ebbed out very quickly, I'm curious to hear about the development of your read so far. With Acrofales entering the scene Dandel seemed to be forgotten for you (you mention him when questioning s0lstice's read, but you don't push him, or confront him with questions), although you called his behaviour out as extremely scummy. It hasn't changed and I just asked him a few things less than an hour ago, but he's playing hard to get. I don't think sol and dandel are both scum, which is the part time trying to figure out. Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 00:06 Vivax wrote:
That said, it would be interesting to know who the lords are considering for kp-lynch. An agreement is needed soon. Suggestions? Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 22:16 Xatalos wrote:On August 09 2013 22:14 Oberyn wrote:On August 09 2013 21:56 Clarity_nl wrote:I didn't mention the hp check because it wasn't part of my case? I'm not sure what you're referring too based on that last statement. You did mention the hp check. You're misunderstanding what I'm referring to. The 1-shot single target hp check was what I did not mention and was what Acro did not understand. I'm referring to when Acro wanted to use the 1-shot house hp check for no real reason other than to figure out the hp system. On August 09 2013 21:56 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why do you tell rayn you have a scumread on acro but don't give him reasons AND tell him to not tell anyone else. We discussed the scummy setup analysis. I told him to not tell anyone because I wanted Acro to be more open in PMs if he thought I trusted him. On August 09 2013 21:56 Clarity_nl wrote:
You mention you said it to multiple players, who else? Did you give them reasons or is it the same as with rayn? rayn and chrom mainly. I told Onegu that it was a pressure vote. I don't give any other reasoning, nor was I asked really. Could you make a summary of your thought process in this issue? You lost me somewhere along the way. At this point I'd rather focus more on other players than myself, unless there was something about Acro that you don't follow.
As opposed to a vote to lynch him because he's scum.
I understand the two are not mutually exclusive but if it's so obvious that every vote is a pressure vote then why did you tell onegu it was a pressure vote?
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