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On August 01 2013 14:35 DeusXmachina wrote:Last post before I go to bed. Good to see more people are taking a stance against reps. Reps, don't defend yourself by making a case of your innocence, defend yourself by contributing. Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 13:10 reps)squishy wrote:
@infill I want to question you.
Q: You decided to be neutral which is seems like a scum move to not draw attention. Why would you lean towards neutral if you were town?
A:
Q: You have not posted very much are you busy whats up with that?
A: This is a start. Q1 is good. If you're town you should be able to offer a lot more. You still seem scummy to me. Umasi, this is directed at you: You said that depending on the reps flip you would still consider me as scum. Hhooookayy can we get past my first posts please. Haven't I already said several times that they were shit? That is your grounds for suspicion? I invite everyone to filter my posts and look them over. I am one of the most townie people in this game, and my later posts have definitely proved that. Umasi for this reason you are going on my notes list under suspicions. If reps flips town the most scummy individuals will be the ones who voted against reps last. The ones who vote reps at the end are the ones who vote to fit in. They don't vote someone else because they would be expected to make a case against the person they are voting against. Furthermore, they don't jump in early on and take an active stance because of the fear of unwanted attention. We should be suspicious of anyone who lurks and votes reps after this post, unless they can offer an in depth explanation of why they are voting against him. I am aware that if reps is town there is probably a talented scum that has been able to work there way into this argument in a way that appears pro town. We can work on them later. However, scum play with the fear of being noticed. They play with the fear of attention. Although it may be extremely subtle, the fear shows itself in their posts i.e a late vote like I talked about above.
Why are you preemptively defending yourself? reps hasn't flipped yet, and you think he's scum. Hell, that entire post, ALL of it, is written on the contingency that reps is town.
You read as unsure whether to proceed with the lynch because you're worried about the possible aftermath as it concerns you, not because you might be mislynching a townie.
I don't want to talk about you too much, because reps is more important to clear up first.
Like, you can feel free to keep pushing yourself into the issue, but that's just counterproductive, because if reps flips scum (like we think he will) I'm not voting you ANYWAY.
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On August 01 2013 10:03 Nightcat99 wrote:
Gotard needs to explain the vote on infil.
When I saw his list the first thing I thought was that it's scummy because it was super neutral and he's scum reads are weak so I decided to pressure him with my vote and get some analysis and in depth reasoning behind his reads. It's easy to say that my read on him was weak because it was based purely on one single post but I wanted to see his next step.
Look at that post:
On August 01 2013 05:26 infii wrote:
I'm sorry but you won't get an indepth analysis from me on day 1 (maybe even day2). There is just not enough information on everyone, that would be like looking for a needle in a haystack. (is this even a common phrase in english?)
This is pure ignorance. "Hello! I will be lurking and this isn't scummy because there is on information!". Yes you have zero information about players at the very beginning but you need to gather it somehow and waiting doesn't help. That is why you might see people pressuring someone because of one bad post or even a single word in a wrong place. After I voted on you, you did nothing to prove that you are pro town. If there is not enough information why do you think that someone is scummy?
On July 31 2013 17:47 infii wrote:
Nightcat99 is nr. 2 on the suspicious-list. Not many posts but the few ones have a chaotic flavor to them as in trying to confuse people.
Why his post are having a chaotic flavor? When/how did he try to confuse people?
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On August 01 2013 08:50 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 08:44 reps)squishy wrote:On August 01 2013 08:25 DeusXmachina wrote:On August 01 2013 08:13 Holyflare wrote:
I have also asked him several times for proper reads (others have too) and he has yet to contribute. Quite frankly the fact that he is drawing this much discussion to himself and away from the real scum (if he is a so called townsman) is grounds enough for me to vote him off. We have the ability to mislynch a few times anyway and so his flip could be useful or it could not, but it eliminates a volatile bad town/scum from the game. That is such a good point holy. A lynch day 1 is important. If we are going to lynch anyone day 1 lets make it reps. Even if he is not scum he is only hurting us at this point. We need to play to win not to coddle reps' feelings. The fact that he thinks I am hurting the town. The feelings are not hurt if I am lynched. But this is a Salem Witch hunt he was first to point I guess I am going to be first to die. "Even if he is not scum he is only hurting us at this point." This shows how little he cares if a townie is lynched. If he does not care that a townie is lynched now why do you think he is going to change in the future? You have not driven any of your insights into us at all so we cannot be certain whether you are just playing a bad town or not. The mafia meta video that you claimed to watch explains that you have to prove to town beyond all reasonable doubt that you are a townie otherwise you just become a bad person to read and can be scum or detremental to town. As we can afford to mislynch people a few times in a row it is often best to get rid of the people that would hinder you in the later stages of the game off early; lurkers, obvious scum, bad towns. If you truly want to reconcile your town worthyness now I want you to go through every filter and point out to me who you think are the most suspicious people so far. I want you to quote your reasoning and explain logically your choices. Only then will I believe that lynching you MAY be the wrong idea. Click this for the list of player names - click each name for a filter of their typing only
I don't know why people are ignoring how many times I've given reps the chance to redeem himself and he replies with one accusation on infii that people are already talking about or some random. I even tell him how to go about the analysis, but no he doesn't do it. Don't be stupid town and just lynch him off.
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On August 01 2013 15:38 Umasi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 14:35 DeusXmachina wrote:Last post before I go to bed. Good to see more people are taking a stance against reps. Reps, don't defend yourself by making a case of your innocence, defend yourself by contributing. On August 01 2013 13:10 reps)squishy wrote:
@infill I want to question you.
Q: You decided to be neutral which is seems like a scum move to not draw attention. Why would you lean towards neutral if you were town?
A:
Q: You have not posted very much are you busy whats up with that?
A: This is a start. Q1 is good. If you're town you should be able to offer a lot more. You still seem scummy to me. Umasi, this is directed at you: You said that depending on the reps flip you would still consider me as scum. Hhooookayy can we get past my first posts please. Haven't I already said several times that they were shit? That is your grounds for suspicion? I invite everyone to filter my posts and look them over. I am one of the most townie people in this game, and my later posts have definitely proved that. Umasi for this reason you are going on my notes list under suspicions. If reps flips town the most scummy individuals will be the ones who voted against reps last. The ones who vote reps at the end are the ones who vote to fit in. They don't vote someone else because they would be expected to make a case against the person they are voting against. Furthermore, they don't jump in early on and take an active stance because of the fear of unwanted attention. We should be suspicious of anyone who lurks and votes reps after this post, unless they can offer an in depth explanation of why they are voting against him. I am aware that if reps is town there is probably a talented scum that has been able to work there way into this argument in a way that appears pro town. We can work on them later. However, scum play with the fear of being noticed. They play with the fear of attention. Although it may be extremely subtle, the fear shows itself in their posts i.e a late vote like I talked about above. Why are you preemptively defending yourself? reps hasn't flipped yet, and you think he's scum. Hell, that entire post, ALL of it, is written on the contingency that reps is town. You read as unsure whether to proceed with the lynch because you're worried about the possible aftermath as it concerns you, not because you might be mislynching a townie. I don't want to talk about you too much, because reps is more important to clear up first. Like, you can feel free to keep pushing yourself into the issue, but that's just counterproductive, because if reps flips scum (like we think he will) I'm not voting you ANYWAY.
Over half of that post was taking about how we can move forward. As we get closer to lynching time we can learn something from peoples votes. That was the point I was making. OF COURSE it was written on the contingency that reps flips town. Did you want me to add a part about if reps flips scum? Okay here it is: If reps flips scum we can look at who was hesitant to vote against him (is that even a good read? scum might have just sacked him as a lost cause). I was trying to discuss what could happen in the near future, because lets be honest, however unlikely, reps can still flip town, right? I didn't think I needed to address what would happen if reps flipped scum, thought that was pretty obvious. Furthermore, a lot of my post was under the assumption that reps gets lynched, as in I am hoping reps get lynched because this is what we can learn from the lynching. How does that come across as unsure whether to proceed with lynching reps?
Umasi I asked you earlier why you thought I was scum, which is perfectly reasonable because I am one of the most pro town people here, and your answer was poor. I was simply addressing that. That's hardly inserting myself into the issue. Didn't I preface that paragraph with, "Umasi this is directed at you"? I am suspicious of you because you have this notion that I am scummy.
I am trying not to focus 100 percent of my attention on reps, because there is a lot that can be learned from other people in this game at the moment.
On August 01 2013 17:13 Gotard wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 10:03 Nightcat99 wrote:
Gotard needs to explain the vote on infil.
When I saw his list the first thing I thought was that it's scummy because it was super neutral and he's scum reads are weak so I decided to pressure him with my vote and get some analysis and in depth reasoning behind his reads. It's easy to say that my read on him was weak because it was based purely on one single post but I wanted to see his next step. Look at that post: Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:26 infii wrote:
I'm sorry but you won't get an indepth analysis from me on day 1 (maybe even day2). There is just not enough information on everyone, that would be like looking for a needle in a haystack. (is this even a common phrase in english?) This is pure ignorance. "Hello! I will be lurking and this isn't scummy because there is on information!". Yes you have zero information about players at the very beginning but you need to gather it somehow and waiting doesn't help. That is why you might see people pressuring someone because of one bad post or even a single word in a wrong place. After I voted on you, you did nothing to prove that you are pro town. If there is not enough information why do you think that someone is scummy? Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 17:47 infii wrote:
Nightcat99 is nr. 2 on the suspicious-list. Not many posts but the few ones have a chaotic flavor to them as in trying to confuse people. Why his post are having a chaotic flavor? When/how did he try to confuse people?
I agree with Gotard on several points here. Pressuring someone is a great way to get information. Also, I think you have a good read on infii. Posting just to say he will not contribute that much day one because there is not enough information is total BS, seems pretty scummy. Also infii does come across as pretty neutral. I don't get why you would want to stay neutral if you're townie. It is almost like being a townie but trying to hide. Townies should be fearless. Going to keep an eye on infii.
Finally, some quick thoughts on reps. Sadly I think he is making a very poor case of why we should keep him around. Are we supposed to hope that he is going to get better as the game progresses? Like holy said, lets lynch him already. He is not an asset. If we are going to lynch anyone day one lets make it scummy scummy reps.
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Ok, time to clarify things!
I'll do this in chronologic order.
On August 01 2013 05:59 Umasi wrote:
You just threw in a comment about sc_
like, "dude what the hell?"
That's not exactly saying a lot, there is a LOT to talk about.
And you just were like,
"guys there's nothing to analyze :<<<<"
like, you said NOTHING. It told us NOTHING about what you're thinking that's independent of what others are thinking (yeah, literally everyone will look at sc_s first post and go "wtf")
That is not true. I said he should make a statement to get rid of all the suspicion he will get with that post. This is not an empty phrase!
Btw sc_a.M still did't take a stance to his first post, which raised a lot of suspicion from me but surprisingly went under everyone elses radar. He even defended reps with his second post. So if reps is scum, sc_a.M is also scum. The only other option I see here is that sc_a.M has information/proof that reps is town.
Then there were several posts which stated that I would be in favor of a no-lynch:
Show nested quote +" My post was targeted mainly at sc_a.M" On August 01 2013 05:56 infii wrote:
That sounds so much pro scum that it almost can't be true. Please clarify your post if you are town.
Really? I mean, really? If you are targeting something it would be nice if you would explain to us why you think that particular behaviour is scummy. No lynch seems like a bad option to me but in the last game I played there was a guy who wanted no lynch and he was town. This is an opinion and of course you can argue with it but you need to tell why you don't agree. If you say something is scummy tell us why and i mean WHY not some meaningless one-liner. Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 09:31 reps)squishy wrote:
infii did not want to lynch anyone night 1 and he is "neutral." And the neutrality seems to me he does not want to be a lurker but he does not want to draw attention to himself so I will.
I never said I'm for a no-lynch. I'm just against random or premature votes on people.
Generally I want to look at a case from every possible angle before I judge, that may very well look neutral/scummy from the outside... until my first vote I guess. So please have a little bit more patience.
On August 01 2013 13:10 reps)squishy wrote:
@infill I want to question you.
Q: You decided to be neutral which is seems like a scum move to not draw attention. Why would you lean towards neutral if you were town?
A:
Q: You have not posted very much are you busy whats up with that?
A:
1. I think the general misunderstanding lies in the word neutral.
- Neutral as in not participating on the discussion is bad.
- Neutral as in shedding light on not-discussed topics on a strongly favored lynch candidate is good.
Neutral for town is not a bad thing imo, of course they have to agree on a lynch at some point. But I see neutrality at the start of day1 as a positive thing because there is so few information and you want to stretch your feelers in every possible direction to gather as much information as possible. Thus, being biased on a certain person/clue/statement hinders the information flow.
2. Well I have a full-time job and whenever I get a piece of free time I spend most of it catching up on all the new posts. e.g. today I'll head to a rehearsal straight after work and will get home maybe at 9-10 pm CET. I'm at work right now and shouldn't even take so much time to write this post... but whatever it's pretty fun! 
On August 01 2013 17:13 Gotard wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 10:03 Nightcat99 wrote:
Gotard needs to explain the vote on infil.
When I saw his list the first thing I thought was that it's scummy because it was super neutral and he's scum reads are weak so I decided to pressure him with my vote and get some analysis and in depth reasoning behind his reads. It's easy to say that my read on him was weak because it was based purely on one single post but I wanted to see his next step.
In all honesty: that sounds pretty reasonable, although it was an agressive move.
Look at that post: Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:26 infii wrote:
I'm sorry but you won't get an indepth analysis from me on day 1 (maybe even day2). There is just not enough information on everyone, that would be like looking for a needle in a haystack. (is this even a common phrase in english?) This is pure ignorance. "Hello! I will be lurking and this isn't scummy because there is on information!". Yes you have zero information about players at the very beginning but you need to gather it somehow and waiting doesn't help. That is why you might see people pressuring someone because of one bad post or even a single word in a wrong place. After I voted on you, you did nothing to prove that you are pro town. If there is not enough information why do you think that someone is scummy?
I never said that I am going to lurk and wait. I will post as much as I possibly can and when I see it necessary.
Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 17:47 infii wrote:
Nightcat99 is nr. 2 on the suspicious-list. Not many posts but the few ones have a chaotic flavor to them as in trying to confuse people. Why his post are having a chaotic flavor? When/how did he try to confuse people?
Reading his latest posts I may have misjudged him. No real opinion on him atm.
Ok now on to the reps)squishy case:
If you read through his posts he is either newbie town in a helpless situation with almost no way out or he is scum trying desperately to stay alive. In any cases his argumentation is repetitive and overall not very convincing, therefore I agree that even if he is town he would be of little use and should be lynched.
OTOH he would still be more useful than StiMaDDict or sc_a.M.
Stimaddict was active early on and got super silent now, which could be because he doesn't want to get more attention or just is busy in real life atm.
sc_a.M literally made 2 posts until the second half of day1, which is poor at best. Those posts were contraproductive for town. That is why I will vote for him if he doesn't contribute/defend himself in the next hours.
But if it is necessary I will switch votes to reps before day1 ends.
Umasi:
He is pressing hard on reps atm. The way he confronts reps seems scummy to me and if reps turns out to be town he will definately be a big candidate for scum next day.
Alakaslam:
He is also on reps. But unlike Umasi he went on a more supportive approach, trying to help reps to defend himself. While reps is clearly in a dead end, there is no need to increase the pressure any more. That is a strong town sign because we should support each other as town.
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On August 01 2013 20:42 infii wrote:
I never said that I am going to lurk and wait. I will post as much as I possibly can and when I see it necessary.
Maybe not but that was my impression and frankly this is pretty much what you do. Lurking and waiting.
On August 01 2013 20:42 infii wrote:
OTOH he would still be more useful than StiMaDDict or sc_a.M.
Why is he more useful than them if he's repetitive and "either newbie town in a helpless situation with almost no way out or he is scum trying desperately to stay alive". This is not what town does. Why is he useful in any way? Because he posts more? Quantity doesn't mean usefulness.
On August 01 2013 20:42 infii wrote:
Umasi:
He is pressing hard on reps atm. The way he confronts reps seems scummy to me and if reps turns out to be town he will definately be a big candidate for scum next day.
You do that again. You say something and then there are no arguments. Why "The way he confronts reps" is scummy? Why reps flipping red indicates that Umasi is mafia as well.
Alakaslam:
He is also on reps. But unlike Umasi he went on a more supportive approach, trying to help reps to defend himself. While reps is clearly in a dead end, there is no need to increase the pressure any more. That is a strong town sign because we should support each other as town.
Why defending reps isn't scummy when "his argumentation is repetitive and overall not very convincing, therefore I agree that even if he is town". How can we support each other if we don't know who is town? We need to pressure and find scum not say "Hello my friends I love you all and I shall support you even when you look scummy as fuck!".
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Edit:
Why reps flipping town indicates that Umasi is mafia.
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Thank you for the reply gotard, i am currently satisfy on your reasoning for the vote, i still dont think its strong enough but its fine for now.
I think we can drop the rep discussion , hes either a scum or the VT he claims , either way i wont feel bad lynching him. There is absolutely no reason to claim VT(looking at you slam)
Please explain why you decide to claim VT Slam.
Zyrre has been out for a while now, can i get your new input on infill and deux.
sc_a.M looks like hes going to get the Blazing hammer.
RDaneelOlivaw you have not post a single personal opinion, only agreeing and disagreeing with people's post is a scum move, please voice your opinion.
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- Neutral as in shedding light on not-discussed topics on a strongly favored lynch candidate is good.
What non-discussed topics have you even shed light on infii? You are jumping on to my case which has been discussed beginning of time.
Neutral for town is not a bad thing imo, of course they have to agree on a lynch at some point. But I see neutrality at the start of day1 as a positive thing because there is so few information and you want to stretch your feelers in every possible direction to gather as much information as possible. Thus, being biased on a certain person/clue/statement hinders the information flow.
Nice response but it's still pretty shady.
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I had infli as pretty much neutral until his last post.
This is what he states when deciding who he will vote on:
- scam and reps are both useless at best, but reps posting is also potentially scummy
- he will vote for scam, but switch to reps if necessary(im assuming to avoid no lynch)
Seems odd to me to choose scam over reps when he says essentially the same thing about them except add some scum reads on reps.
Next on Umasi
On August 01 2013 20:42 infii wrote:
Umasi:
He is pressing hard on reps atm. The way he confronts reps seems scummy to me and if reps turns out to be town he will definately be a big candidate for scum next day.
Doesn't make sense at all, most are against reps atm and it would be so much easier as mafia just to go along and go "yep, hes scummy alright" then to be the most aggressive one.
On Alakaslam
On August 01 2013 20:42 infii wrote:
Alakaslam:
He is also on reps. But unlike Umasi he went on a more supportive approach, trying to help reps to defend himself. While reps is clearly in a dead end, there is no need to increase the pressure any more. That is a strong town sign because we should support each other as town
This sounds quite random at first but reasoning is sound I think.
If Alakaslam is town he might want to give reps some pointers in the event reps is actually town.
If Alakaslam is mafia the only reason he would want to do this would be if reps was mafia, dont think he would establish that connection so publicly though when chances are very high reps will get lynched this night anyway.
In summation, leaning slightly towards mafia for infli right now.
However, if infli is mafia I would say there is a very strong chance that reps is it too. No real reason for infli NOT to vote reps if reps is town, its just so much easier for him to blend in that way.
So either way: ##vote reps)squishy
On to DeusX
Firstly he started up discussions by voting reps early on, I saw that as a town move. He might have been overly aggressive on him, but that seems to me as a bad scum move also.
His latest post makes me not worry about him so much. He didnt contribute much analysis himself, but gave a lot of sound town advice. For instance, lets keep analyzing all players even if we are gonna lynch reps since we can gain more info. Also pressuring someone is good way to get info and townies should be fearless.
So even if he is playing a kind of mafia leading the town, he is still giving good advice and not keeping everyone focused only on reps.
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I just remembered reps actually voted for infii and questioned him.
Which means they are almost certainly not BOTH mafia.
Infii could still be mafia and voting scam to not seem like he's mafia bandwagoning. I guess we'll see what he says about criticism of his reasoning.
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VOTE COUNT:
DeusXmachina (0): Umasi, Alakaslam
reps)squishy (6): DeusXmachina, Holyflare, Umasi, RDaneelOlivaw, Alakaslam, Zyrre
infii (2): Gotard, reps)squishy
RDaneelOlivaw (0): reps)squishy
Umasi (0): reps)squishy
Not voting (4): Nightcat99, StiMaDDict, sc_a.M, infii
Deadline is in ~5,5 hours. With 12 alive it takes 7 votes to lynch.
Currently no one is set to be lynched!
Voting is mandatory. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted! The voting thread can be found here.
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On August 01 2013 23:31 Zyrre wrote:
I just remembered reps actually voted for infii and questioned him.
Which means they are almost certainly not BOTH mafia.
Infii could still be mafia and voting scam to not seem like he's mafia bandwagoning. I guess we'll see what he says about criticism of his reasoning.
Rep voted on infil when hes about dead, you cant read into it too much. it might just be a play.
and i guess i will
##vote reps)squishy
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I agree the vote on its own isnt that much, paired with this post I see it as a pretty strong indication:
On August 01 2013 13:10 reps)squishy wrote:
@infill I want to question you.
Q: You decided to be neutral which is seems like a scum move to not draw attention. Why would you lean towards neutral if you were town?
A:
Q: You have not posted very much are you busy whats up with that?
A:
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I agree to a certain extend but the timing he posted was when hes about dead, so i think its Wifom (hope i am using this right lol)
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On August 01 2013 22:11 Gotard wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 20:42 infii wrote:
I never said that I am going to lurk and wait. I will post as much as I possibly can and when I see it necessary. Maybe not but that was my impression and frankly this is pretty much what you do. Lurking and waiting. Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 20:42 infii wrote:
OTOH he would still be more useful than StiMaDDict or sc_a.M. Why is he more useful than them if he's repetitive and "either newbie town in a helpless situation with almost no way out or he is scum trying desperately to stay alive". This is not what town does. Why is he useful in any way? Because he posts more? Quantity doesn't mean usefulness.
Because he could possibly improve in usefulness with more time and less preasure. And if he doesn't we can still lynch him the next day.
OTOH there is not much information and thought process from the other two. So I'd rather choose the predictable solution than the unknown.
Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 20:42 infii wrote:
Umasi:
He is pressing hard on reps atm. The way he confronts reps seems scummy to me and if reps turns out to be town he will definately be a big candidate for scum next day. You do that again. You say something and then there are no arguments. Why "The way he confronts reps" is scummy? Why reps flipping red indicates that Umasi is mafia as well.
Do I really have to explain every single thing in full detail? When participating in discussions I'd expect from the participants at least to be able to think on their own.
But I'll do it this time just for you:
Here are 3 quick posts from Umasi in which he also votes reps.
Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 08:37 Umasi wrote:On August 01 2013 05:44 reps)squishy wrote:Anyone, anyone! That defends me in the smallest way (Usami) you should be super suspicious of them it's the oldest move in the mafia strategy. hey I'm around. I still like deus for scum, and by transition not sold on reps being scum. Here is his defense. Anyone that votes to lynch me is town. Mafia won't waste a lynch someone that the town is going to lynch already. ~oldest move in mafia strategy why do you say this? Are you backtracking from the path of newb? Like, you're trying to change your playstyle to make you look like less of a noob, and I really don't get it, because you're not doing things that are pro town, you're just messing around. Scum? Sure! Troll? guess so! like~I don't know what you're playing at if you're town. On August 01 2013 08:34 reps)squishy wrote:
Deus you talk as if you are sooo positive that I am a townie and you want to lynch me anyway. Why? I smell scum all over you. Why are you backtracking? Why isn't Deus town anymore? ##VOTE reps Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 08:39 Umasi wrote:
Deus has been very vocal that he thinks you are scum, but to convince people to vote you, if you ARE town, you're a counterproductive town.
So either way it's benefiting town, is what he's trying to communicate. I don't think that people should vote you because they think you're counterproductive, but because you're scum. Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 08:49 Umasi wrote:
reps, you ARE COUNTERPRODUCTIVE
you have preformed jack.
there are LOTS of good reasons for voting you.
There's nothing stopping you from ignoring everyone and going and independently building cases on people and posting them, because I think we can all look past the "who posted it" to the "jesus this is scummy as crap"
when you just sit here and whine about people voting you, that's not a compelling reason to switch off.
He IS correct in thinking that you're hurting us if you're not scum. You are hurting town if you are not scum.
(this implies that if you're scum, you're helping town by being an obvious target)
The way to be interpreted as a townie is to be townie, not to be like "why don't people believe me :<<<<" because scum can say EXACTLY what you're saying. Nothing about what you've done actually helps us read you as town, we just have to wifom ourselves into thinking you're town. But if you just look at everything objectively, you're scum.
So in his second post he states that reps is counterproductive but others should vote him for the reason that he is scum.
And already in the next post he repeats that reps is counterproductive IN ALL CAPS, which is an easy way to increase preasure on someone.
He explains there are LOTS of good reasons to vote him, but interestingly only points out his counterproductiveness.
Then there are serveral more accusations "you have preformed jack", "You are hurting town", "Scum? Sure!, Troll? guess so!". Nothing wrong with that its just He writes it in such a lurid way that I tend to think he is trying to set others up on reps.
So if we presume that Umasi wants others to jump on the bandwagon and lynch reps, that would be a clear sign for mafia. To continue the thought process, reps did get lynched and he flips town, that would further increase the possibility of Umasi being scum.
Any more questions?
PS.: I am not pro reps, it's just that I am more anti sc_a.M/Stimaddict.
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I'm out at the moment guys and can't formulate posts on my phone that well but the fact that infii is not voting reps unless he needs to despite the rest of the townbandwagoning him is suspicious, if reps does flip mafia look to infii as a possible. cohort. reps reasons for infii were weak and he could have thought he was saving a fellow as he was going down anyway, his accusations also picked up after he was told to get coaching... A mafia coach may have told him to press infii harder to save him
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however if he reveals town on flip then everything infii is saying makes sense, either way this knowledge only comes from his lynch flip so infii to clear yourself you need to swap now, you said so yourself you have little time so I'm not taking i was out as an excuse not to switch to reps for the vote right now
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On August 01 2013 18:18 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 08:50 Holyflare wrote:On August 01 2013 08:44 reps)squishy wrote:On August 01 2013 08:25 DeusXmachina wrote:On August 01 2013 08:13 Holyflare wrote:
I have also asked him several times for proper reads (others have too) and he has yet to contribute. Quite frankly the fact that he is drawing this much discussion to himself and away from the real scum (if he is a so called townsman) is grounds enough for me to vote him off. We have the ability to mislynch a few times anyway and so his flip could be useful or it could not, but it eliminates a volatile bad town/scum from the game. That is such a good point holy. A lynch day 1 is important. If we are going to lynch anyone day 1 lets make it reps. Even if he is not scum he is only hurting us at this point. We need to play to win not to coddle reps' feelings. The fact that he thinks I am hurting the town. The feelings are not hurt if I am lynched. But this is a Salem Witch hunt he was first to point I guess I am going to be first to die. "Even if he is not scum he is only hurting us at this point." This shows how little he cares if a townie is lynched. If he does not care that a townie is lynched now why do you think he is going to change in the future? You have not driven any of your insights into us at all so we cannot be certain whether you are just playing a bad town or not. The mafia meta video that you claimed to watch explains that you have to prove to town beyond all reasonable doubt that you are a townie otherwise you just become a bad person to read and can be scum or detremental to town. As we can afford to mislynch people a few times in a row it is often best to get rid of the people that would hinder you in the later stages of the game off early; lurkers, obvious scum, bad towns. If you truly want to reconcile your town worthyness now I want you to go through every filter and point out to me who you think are the most suspicious people so far. I want you to quote your reasoning and explain logically your choices. Only then will I believe that lynching you MAY be the wrong idea. Click this for the list of player names - click each name for a filter of their typing only I don't know why people are ignoring how many times I've given reps the chance to redeem himself and he replies with one accusation on infii that people are already talking about or some random. I even tell him how to go about the analysis, but no he doesn't do it. Don't be stupid town and just lynch him off.
THIS is exactly why I'm voting him.
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On August 01 2013 22:36 Nightcat99 wrote:
Thank you for the reply gotard, i am currently satisfy on your reasoning for the vote, i still dont think its strong enough but its fine for now.
I think we can drop the rep discussion , hes either a scum or the VT he claims , either way i wont feel bad lynching him. There is absolutely no reason to claim VT(looking at you slam)
Please explain why you decide to claim VT Slam.
Zyrre has been out for a while now, can i get your new input on infill and deux.
sc_a.M looks like hes going to get the Blazing hammer.
RDaneelOlivaw you have not post a single personal opinion, only agreeing and disagreeing with people's post is a scum move, please voice your opinion.
To invoke Kenpachi, and there is nothing to lose by it.
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