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On July 29 2013 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: EBWOP: Oh sorry. I misread the last line. I thought you were saying you are thinking what i said there. :D
But please elaborate. You got a feeling that i am mafia? Why? Not you. hzflank...
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@Koshi Could you explain why you think hzflank is mafia? Maybe make a case on him?
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I would like to see that case too. Gut-feelings can go right but it's hard to convince other people without actual content.
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Ok I might. But I can only say this so many times. hzflank play reminds me of a previous game I played with him. In which he was scum, made a gazillion posts, pushed 1 lynch on the first day for that entire day, and would probably have won that game if the SK didn't believe that hz was so town that he eventually mistakenly shot him.
That being said. I'll make a case. But because it is day 1. It will not come down on hz being obvious scum. I can tell you that already.
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Malongo
Let's take a journey, a journey through the posts of Malongo
On July 28 2013 14:29 Malongo wrote:Sparrow pfff another smurf. So far in the inactive players I see 5. raynpelikoneet 7. Malongo 9. Stutters695In the hyper-activity side I see: 1. Oatsmaster 4. IMCaptainJackSparrow 10. hzflank 14. exarezeeEveryone else is meh-activity wise. So far my best pick is hzflank I really didnt like this post from hzflank: Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 21:46 hzflank wrote: Yes I would lynch a lurker today. However, I dislike beginning the day with the thought of lynching a lurker. I think the best thing on day 1 would be for at least 3 wagons to form before we even thinking about consolidating (or lynching a lurker). If enough cases are made then there is more chance that one of them is a case against scum and the scum team may react to that. It is hard to make a good case against a lurker, so I would prefer cases against active people to be discussed first. The think about starting the day lynching a lurker is to force the players to post and force the mafia to make mistakes. I rather start the day forcing lurkers to post than "looking for 2/3 wagons" earlier. Earlier wagons are more likely to be town (in my experience) and the lurker lynching stays aside. Trying to get early wagons is also a good way to close the fence early wich help the mafia more than the town. His vote so far on Paperscraps is really weak and when I read his filter I found it really reactive (or defensive as he put it). ##Vote: hzflankId be happy to lynch CJS for no reason too ( I just hate attention-smurfs ).
Let's just ignore the random list of activity, even though no one asked him. Malongo starts his case by admitting that he has no strong reads, or more specifically, that this is his strongest read. He makes this read based off a single post, despite there being a wealth of information on hz, including my one-on-one time with him. The posts he picks is very early in the game and rather than explaining why it is scummy he explains why it is wrong, and then votes for him.
Much later on day 1 he repeats how the reason he's on hz (he's still on hz btw, and hasn't contributed about anything that's been going on in the thread other than a couple of 1-liners)
On July 29 2013 05:24 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 29 2013 04:17 Clarity_nl wrote: rayn your post is just a giant list of thread sentiment, your reason for calling hz town is literally stolen Your thoughts on Malongo and Stutters make no sense to me though, could you expand on them? Malongo seems irritated by the fact he got lynched in the last game and is trying to play better. It seems like he is trying to play for town really hard compared to other games because of how people viewed him in those games. Stutters comes off as town as he noticed the same thing about Vivax i did. I tend to think people who agree with me are town, at least in things that most of the people seem to miss. My list is not based on thread sentiment. Maybe the thread sentiment is correct then if a lot of people agree on things. I think hz's tell is a strong town-tell, it's not stealing from you by any means. I just think alike you in that matter. Do you want to lynch FT? And it doesnt help me either that when I wake up I have to read 10 or more pages (and honestly didnt read with high proficiency). Our biggest problem right now is the lack of leads 3 hours to lynch. Thats why hz is still my prime suspect, I found it really bad when he posted about "consolidating 1 or 2 wagos early instead of pushing the lurkers". Clearly he wants to push Paper (wich is null to me atm) and every time he gets into an argument with someone his defence or case is slightly helped by other player around uninvolved. Read what other people has to say about him.
"Guys, we have no big leads, if he had big leads, I wouldn't be on hz!" This is basically saying he doesn't believe in his own vote. Now he repeats his case, which is the exact same, and still about the same post in the early hours of day 1.
Take a look at the bolded line again. What is he saying? Well let's assume he's town first: Malongo: Guys we should get more information, I'm not too certain about things right now.
Okay, that's fair, but then why is his vote still on hz and in posts after this he still claims hz is scum?
Malongo: Guys I don't believe in my case, but since you guys are so scattered I'm just gonna leave my vote parked riiiiiiiight here.
This makes sense to me, the scum perspective. As town it does not. Low post count, low content, implying he's wrong yet pushing for it anyway. He scum yo.
##Vote Malongo
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I am tired, I have a headache and it is still several hours until the deadline. I would say that I already graduated from stepping on toes to kicking ankles to knees and as I am now grumpy some people should cover their balls...
Tofu, you are either scum or you have been useless as town because you have just tunnelled Exar the whole game. That is great is he flips scum but he is not getting lynched anyway so you are wasting your time.
On July 29 2013 05:39 FirmTofu wrote: If you hadn't made me filter dive
Here's a tip: filter dive everyone. If you are town then you should absolutely of already done that. Most people have tiny filters anyway. This is especially true since I did make sure that attention should have been directed at Paper earlier.
On July 29 2013 05:39 FirmTofu wrote: This is a decent post. He starts pushing a read and it looks like he is adapting based on new information (his read on hzflank has changed).
Wrong, it is not a decent post. His read on me changed from town to scum to unsure, yet in this post that you call good he says:
On July 29 2013 03:18 Paperscraps wrote: If I was scum, I would just be all amicable, maybe start some BS case against some one who made some questionable posts and call it a day.
I think it is fair to say that I have not been particularly amicable this game and therefore it is surprising that Paper does not have a very strong town read on me.
Also, Paper pushing a read at that point does not redeem him as I had already posted:
On July 29 2013 00:20 hzflank wrote: He gives us a single sentence as to why he wants to lynch Vivax. A single sentence in a game with 400+ posts to use for information. Then he adds a second scum read. He never actually pushes either of these reads at all. Not once does he even direct a post at Vivax or JAT.
And ofcourse Paper conveniently decided not to respond to my post, which is almost as bad as when he previously decided not to answer my questions.
@Paper & Koshi
If I think that you are scum then not answering my questions is not a good way to get me off of your backs. As I currently have a headache I am an easy target so how about you actually provide the requested information that would be useful to town. You know why I think you are scum: talk about it.
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On July 29 2013 05:58 Clarity_nl wrote: ... This makes sense to me, the scum perspective. As town it does not. Low post count, low content, implying he's wrong yet pushing for it anyway. He scum yo.
If you had looked into any recent game Malongo has played you would see that this is characteristic to his town play. In other words, the stuff you are pointing out does not make him mafia.
You clearly do not want to lynch FT. Go look at JAT/Paper please.
Koshi, what do you think of this:
hzflank - I had a big big red read on hzflank before this: "I did start to prepare a case on Oats yesterday but I cancelled it shortly after starting. As I was writing it I became less sure that Oats was scum and I did not want to post a case that I did not believe in myself. That is fairly normal for me as I seem to be good at convincing myself that someone is not scum." That basically proves that hzflank is town, that is so incredibly genuine.
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I'm starting to see some connections between Paper, Malongo, and Koshi. I'm gonna do some research. Be back soon.
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Can I answer that Rayn? I want to kick you in the balls too.
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On July 29 2013 06:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 05:58 Clarity_nl wrote: ... This makes sense to me, the scum perspective. As town it does not. Low post count, low content, implying he's wrong yet pushing for it anyway. He scum yo.
If you had looked into any recent game Malongo has played you would see that this is characteristic to his town play. In other words, the stuff you are pointing out does not make him mafia. You clearly do not want to lynch FT. Go look at JAT/Paper please. Koshi, what do you think of this: Show nested quote +hzflank - I had a big big red read on hzflank before this: "I did start to prepare a case on Oats yesterday but I cancelled it shortly after starting. As I was writing it I became less sure that Oats was scum and I did not want to post a case that I did not believe in myself. That is fairly normal for me as I seem to be good at convincing myself that someone is not scum." That basically proves that hzflank is town, that is so incredibly genuine.
I'll go look, I tend not to look at meta. I looked at Paper before Malongo and I don't really see it. I'll look at JAT one more time, as you know I disagreed heavily with Oats' case on him but maybe stuff changed.
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It's time to start consolidating people.
Anyone with no really good case should vote for FT/JAT/Paper and tell why the target is a best lynch. Do not discuss useless stuff, otherwise we'll end up with a no-lynch which is a big no no.
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Continuing with Rayn:
Paperscraps: see my read I posted, I think he's scum, not null.
Malango: no idea, as I explained. Leave him for the vigis imo.
Koshi: I could easily see him being scum, especially after NWM. Mostly a meta read since he always is confusing as fuck and kinda useless. I would lynch him if Paper doesn't get traction but I'm way more confident about him.
FT: I haven't looked at him too much. I'll have to get back to you on that. I had him kinda null but your post makes sense.
JAT is another one I haven't really dove. He could be scum but he's not huge on my radar. He could easily be a misunderstood town. I think we'll see with more posts from him.
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##unvote
##vote:vivax
playing like he does as scum. Long winded light on content posts, trying to get people mislynched for trivial things, and readjusting course when it doesn't work. If he's not scum I will need to re-assess my thoughts on his play.
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Rayne, you would compare Malongo in this game to Malongo in "I swear this is normal Mini Mafia 2" and say they're similar? He is talking strongly about his read, he is engaging people in back and forth questions, and then he martyrs himself by the end of it! (btw his read ended up being right, and you believe hz is town..)
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Vivax talk to me. What are your current thoughts?
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We can continue this at night if you want to Rayn, that took me longer than I wanted to type up.
Onto today's lynch, Paper is my choice. Because Rayn has a good track record and we think similarly, if Paper doesn't get traction I'll sheep him onto FT. I don't want a no lynch.
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when's deadline btw? If I have to consolidate on some shit tier lynch I will but vivax is a pretty good start
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If hz can make a case on those few posts paper made a couple hours in the game. I am pretty sure hz can make a case against oats. Him deleting that case and then saying that he deleted is, nha, I don't put town cred on that.
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On July 29 2013 06:16 Clarity_nl wrote: Rayne, you would compare Malongo in this game to Malongo in "I swear this is normal Mini Mafia 2" and say they're similar? He is talking strongly about his read, he is engaging people in back and forth questions, and then he martyrs himself by the end of it! (btw his read ended up being right, and you believe hz is town..) I meant he does stupid stuff as town. See our QT, where he says he has no real reads. See also how he shoots mer 1 hour into the game. Also look at Sicilian where he flipped. On D1 he posted nothing but useless stuff. I am not saying he sure is town but i don't see anything scummy from him. Just dumb.
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