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On July 29 2013 05:24 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 29 2013 04:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
rayn your post is just a giant list of thread sentiment, your reason for calling hz town is literally stolen
Your thoughts on Malongo and Stutters make no sense to me though, could you expand on them? Malongo seems irritated by the fact he got lynched in the last game and is trying to play better. It seems like he is trying to play for town really hard compared to other games because of how people viewed him in those games. Stutters comes off as town as he noticed the same thing about Vivax i did. I tend to think people who agree with me are town, at least in things that most of the people seem to miss. My list is not based on thread sentiment. Maybe the thread sentiment is correct then if a lot of people agree on things. I think hz's tell is a strong town-tell, it's not stealing from you by any means. I just think alike you in that matter. Do you want to lynch FT? And it doesnt help me either that when I wake up I have to read 10 or more pages (and honestly didnt read with high proficiency). Our biggest problem right now is the lack of leads 3 hours to lynch. Thats why hz is still my prime suspect, I found it really bad when he posted about "consolidating 1 or 2 wagos early instead of pushing the lurkers". Clearly he wants to push Paper (wich is null to me atm) and every time he gets into an argument with someone his defence or case is slightly helped by other player around uninvolved. Read what other people has to say about him.
Explain that bolded part to me. When you assume somebody is scum, shouldn't you be more acquainted with his reasons to push his suspects? You are supposed to find out if his cases are on townies, and pushed with scummy arguments.
That said, is it possible you didn't get an opinion on your scumreads' scumread while analyzing him?
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Ryan I still dont see why lynching Paper helps us, the guy is null towards townie to me.
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Filter Dive of Paperscraps:
On July 27 2013 15:04 Paperscraps wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 13:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont think any votes so far have been serious Agreed. The day has barely begun. If anyone has a serious FoS, they need to check themselves. Half the town hasn't even posted yet. I was hoping people would want to be a bit more "charismatic" today  , but it looks like playing the standard super serious pro-town meta game will be more beneficial to the passengers on this ship. It is just ever so boring, but I can deal with it. TLDR; Besides the first question on my first post, I haven't been serious at all. ##UnvoteMy first real read of this game is that I like where Tofu's head is at so far. I kind of feel bad, that exar wasted his time dissecting my shenanigans, haha, but not too bad  .
This is the first serious post he makes. Using it as a starting point. I don't think it tells us anything just yet.
On July 28 2013 10:24 Paperscraps wrote:I have finally caught up! I wrote down some reads as I was catching up. First off I need to say some stuff about my play early on. I get why people would find me scummy so far, tone and sarcasm are hard to convey in text. This is why I will play a more standard game from now on. It isn't helping people find scum, if they are looking at me for joking and being sarcastic and not understanding that is all it is. hzflank leaning town - The more and more I read hz, the more I begin to like him. Not afraid to be abrasive and stand his ground. exarezee null - The argument of either Tofu or I having to be scum strikes me as odd. I don't see any interactions between FT and I, that would merit this stance. I would like a more in-depth analysis of this pairing. One thing that bugs me about exarezee is that he has reacted in a "noob" fashion to the two early votes on him. With his 100+ games played on the poker forums, which I have no reason to doubt, I just can't see why he would react so defensively. I am probably over thinking my read on exarezee, but I don't see him flipping scum at the moment, due his push on me which holds no substance and his reaction. Oats leaning town - I am really hoping Oats is town, his reads and post so far have been great. His comprehension of what is going on is probably the best so far. Clarity leaning town - Nothing really to elaborate on Clarity so far, I doubt most of the players would disagree. One great interaction I found so far was this. Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 22:47 hzflank wrote:On July 27 2013 22:25 exarezee wrote:
I think paperscraps and firmtofu are a good 1,2 wagon combo for day 1.
I don't think both are scum, but I think its a high chance one of the two are. Really strange initial votes on me by both of them. I don't understand why I had to be voted because I didn't provide a reason for a tone read I made. Paperscrap's vote is even more bewildering because he states he was "joking in all his posts." So, if they were townies making these votes I would have to assume they are trying to see if anybody jumps on my bandwagon and gain some information from it....but then they really quickly unvote. Just really strange town play IMO. Really can't see this being done as a scum/scum combo. It draws a little too much attention. Again, could be town/town, but I think its really likely a scum/town combo here. How is that post in any way more useful to town than to scum? You think that Paper and Tofu should be the two lynch candidates but do not state which of them is most likely to be scum. If they are both town then having them be the primary lynch candidates would be great for scum. If one of them is actually scum then you posting that without saying which one you think is scum is really not useful, as if one of them flips town you are in a position where you should assume that the other is scum, which give you a really easy excuse to vote for them if you are in fact scum. Basically, telling us which single person you want to lynch is good. Telling us that you want the votes to be between two specific people is really bad. Which of them is most likely to be scum? This interaction seems genuine. If either of hzflank or exarezee were scum, I would say the other isn't. CapJackSparrow null - I totally dig his RP gimmick so far and I am biased toward him in a good way. I want to say I lean town on him, but I would hold judgement on his alignment for now. Tofu null - I don't think his push on exarezee is the best. It seems to be grasping. The thing with making cases in general is you can always twist and skew people's filter to whatever you think is right. Initially I leaned town on FT, but after his case I retract that some what. Vayne leaning town - not sure what to think of vayne as of yet, he comes in every so often and drops some knowledge. I think his vote on clarity is pretty bad though. His filter strikes me as town though. Koshi leaning town - Koshi is a odd ball so far. I like that he town reads me, haha. I mostly agree with the lists he has made so far. I am going to read some filters more in-depth and meditate on what I have come up with so far. I don't have a strong scum read at the moment. Also I realize I haven't commented on some people who have posted, the reads above were what stuck out to me most on my initial read through.
Obviously, I don't really like his read on exarezee. Null is the last thing I'd expect on someone like exarezee. He's posted a ton and there's a ton of information to dissect his role. By the point in the game that this post was made, everyone should have already been leaning one way or another on exarezee.
His read on Oats is disturbing. I'm not sure what Oats did that constitutes that strong of a stance on him. Most of Ots' posts were one-liners that held little to no substance. Oats could be a possible scumbuddy of Paper, but I feel like that'd be too obvious.
His reads on Koshi and Vayne are pretty awful. I can kind of see why he might think Vayne is town, but Koshi should be null or scum for every town person at that point that Paper made that post.
On July 28 2013 11:12 Paperscraps wrote:
@exarezee
If I was in your shoes and looking at my early posts, I would have realized that they were way too over the top to be serious. I voted you and said lets "murder" this guy, haha. Obviously I am trying to get reactions, since you are being so serious right off the bat.
I still don't understand how Tofu and I voting around the same time makes at least one of us confirmed scum. That is a stretch. More realistically, it was too people voting a rather serious player who was posting in a very "pro-town" and "controlled" manner to get him to show some real reads and responses. It is easy to act pro-town and push on people with very little to go off of early off in the game.
You haven't wavered much in your general tone and seem to be stubborn which is good. If you took at step back and got some objectivity, I think it would go along way to help you out. You have been focused on Tofu and I and haven't really paused to look at others, which is always a good thing to do. If you still think I am the best lynch after reading other people's filters, then by all means keep voting me. I don't think that is likely at all though.
Bolded relevant. I don't like this at all. Why would tunneling be a good thing to do? Paper is telling exarezee to vote him? What? Why would town do this?
On July 29 2013 03:18 Paperscraps wrote:
##Vote: justanothertownie
JAT is scum. He just sheeped onto the wagon that was on me with out much thought and gave himself an out when I flip town that I am "probably" scum.
Vivax actually posted some content and I don't think would be the best lynch today.
Stutters I would definitely keep my eye on.
hzflank is weird read for me now, I really don't know if he is pushing as town or scum. It was obvious that he wanted to push on Oats and he even admitted to it, which I liked.
I have been very transparent in my posting up to this point. Yes, I had a lot of town reads when I caught up, You act like it is hard to act "town" day 1. I couldn't care less what people perceive me as. If I was scum, I would just be all amicable, maybe start some BS case against some one who made some questionable posts and call it a day. I thought the people playing this game would be able to read past the simple charades of others, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
Good vig shots tonight would be rayn and/or stutters. I think their flips would be more beneficial than the content or rather lack of content they post.
This is a decent post. He starts pushing a read and it looks like he is adapting based on new information (his read on hzflank has changed). I'm not entirely sure this post invalidates all of his scummy posting, but I can agree that he has been fairly transparent throughout the thread.
Conclusion: I'm actually a little bit surprised that Paper has been this scummy. If you hadn't made me filter dive, I don't think I would have this read on him. I agree, Paperscraps is quite scummy all things considered. However, his posting does seem genuine. I think that if we give him another day, he'll be able to redeem himself.
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On July 29 2013 05:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax what do you think about FT?
I really didn't like his questions to me, they looked like loaded questions of the "Why do you beat your wife" sort, and him saying he doesn't think I'm scum after finding me extremely suspicion was also boggling, to say the least.
Being presented with the scumslip thing and the way he pushed me I was left with a rather townish feeling, plus the fact that he wasn't staying in a comfy tunnel as XRZ was trying to suggest to me.
Your take on my arguments against JAT?
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On July 29 2013 05:35 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 05:24 Malongo wrote:On July 29 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 29 2013 04:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
rayn your post is just a giant list of thread sentiment, your reason for calling hz town is literally stolen
Your thoughts on Malongo and Stutters make no sense to me though, could you expand on them? Malongo seems irritated by the fact he got lynched in the last game and is trying to play better. It seems like he is trying to play for town really hard compared to other games because of how people viewed him in those games. Stutters comes off as town as he noticed the same thing about Vivax i did. I tend to think people who agree with me are town, at least in things that most of the people seem to miss. My list is not based on thread sentiment. Maybe the thread sentiment is correct then if a lot of people agree on things. I think hz's tell is a strong town-tell, it's not stealing from you by any means. I just think alike you in that matter. Do you want to lynch FT? And it doesnt help me either that when I wake up I have to read 10 or more pages (and honestly didnt read with high proficiency). Our biggest problem right now is the lack of leads 3 hours to lynch. Thats why hz is still my prime suspect, I found it really bad when he posted about "consolidating 1 or 2 wagos early instead of pushing the lurkers". Clearly he wants to push Paper (wich is null to me atm) and every time he gets into an argument with someone his defence or case is slightly helped by other player around uninvolved. Read what other people has to say about him. Explain that bolded part to me. When you assume somebody is scum, shouldn't you be more acquainted with his reasons to push his suspects? You are supposed to find out if his cases are on townies, and pushed with scummy arguments. That said, is it possible you didn't get an opinion on your scumreads' scumread while analyzing him?
I got a little lost there, I read it as: you want me to elaborate more on Paper right?
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On July 29 2013 05:37 Malongo wrote:
Ryan I still dont see why lynching Paper helps us, the guy is null towards townie to me.
What makes you think he is town? I don't see much good in his filter.
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On July 29 2013 05:32 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 29 2013 05:22 Koshi wrote:
Vivax
You don't think JAT is new to the game? Is he? Even if he was, it still wouldn't explain why he lists Oats as read he disagrees with but never attacks him. If he's town and deliberately not openly talking about the players he finds suspicious, but lists them as not-town as means to attack somebody else, then he must be not just super newb, but super newb not wanting to play or solve the game. Koshi, you included him in your list and then retreated from it, mind telling me what you initially found scummy about his first two posts, and what changed your opinion later? + Show Spoiler +On July 28 2013 04:41 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 04:26 justanothertownie wrote:On July 28 2013 04:19 FirmTofu wrote:On July 28 2013 04:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
FT, thoughts on justanothertownie? Give me some time yo. Well, my filter isn't exactly huge.... I would like to repeat my earlier request: On July 28 2013 02:20 justanothertownie wrote:
Would you mind explaining why i am on your lynch list koshi? Why do you think my posts are so bad? Please explain yourself. You just stated I am scummy and provided absolutely no reasoning for that to be the case. Other than that you aren't scumhunting at all... Oh I missed that question earlier. I was wrong about you. I don't think you are scummy anymore. I thought you were scummy because of your first 2 posts. But now it seems more like you didn't had a good feel into this game yet and tried your luck with making 2 cases. I am actually leaning town on you now.
Like I said before. He reminds me of myself when I didn't know how to start playing in a game. You read the tread but you got 0 clues what to do. The thing you do then is read what other people think and try to verify that, JAT read what hzflank said about paper and then tried to make a case around that.
The second post is him trying to find a townie. The problem I had with that post is that I didn't find FT his filter that town looking. But that was before I saw that JAT is probably new to the game opposed to being scum.
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On July 29 2013 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 05:37 Malongo wrote:
Ryan I still dont see why lynching Paper helps us, the guy is null towards townie to me. What makes you think he is town? I don't see much good in his filter.
Give me a minute to elaborate on him.
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On July 29 2013 05:40 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 05:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax what do you think about FT? I really didn't like his questions to me, they looked like loaded questions of the "Why do you beat your wife" sort, and him saying he doesn't think I'm scum after finding me extremely suspicion was also boggling, to say the least. Being presented with the scumslip thing and the way he pushed me I was left with a rather townish feeling, plus the fact that he wasn't staying in a comfy tunnel as XRZ was trying to suggest to me. Your take on my arguments against JAT?
I think your arguments against JAT are good, he would be my second pick as lynch. I still think FT is more likely to flip mafia.
To you too, it's not hard to fake finding a scumslip, look at my Catch 22 D1. I even accused my scumbuddy of a scumslip because i know some townies would think it's nothing rofl. I think that's at best a null-tell. What do you think?
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So. I am getting more and more interested in lynching hzflank. Is there a chance that I can get more votes on the guy or shouldn't I bother?
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On July 29 2013 05:44 Koshi wrote:
So. I am getting more and more interested in lynching hzflank. Is there a chance that I can get more votes on the guy or shouldn't I bother?
You should not bother if you can't make a rock-solid case. In any ways i'm interested in hearing what you have against him. What do you think about his "Oats case" post?
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Conclusion: I'm actually a little bit surprised that Paper has been this scummy. If you hadn't made me filter dive, I don't think I would have this read on him. I agree, Paperscraps is quite scummy all things considered. However, his posting does seem genuine. I think that if we give him another day, he'll be able to redeem himself.
It's funny, Tofu, you actually bring some good arguments to the table (the "vote for me if you want" one), except for the reads. Do you automatically assume that wrong=scum?
What makes me curious is that you want someone who is scummy to redeem himself? Is he scum or is he not scum? If he's scummy and you think is scummy, why exactly do you want him to redeem himself?
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On July 29 2013 05:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 05:44 Koshi wrote:
So. I am getting more and more interested in lynching hzflank. Is there a chance that I can get more votes on the guy or shouldn't I bother? You should not bother if you can't make a rock-solid case. In any ways i'm interested in hearing what you have against him. What do you think about his "Oats case" post?
I put that in the same category as: "scum would never dare to lead a wagon."
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Rayn you remember that game in which you were scum together with Artanis and Z-Boson?
That game in which I had this feeling about Artanis and you said "Koshi, you are not this bad, you must be scum"?
I got same feeling bro.
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rofl. Tofu is wishy-washy as fuck regarding Paper. Maybe they are both scum. :D
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On July 29 2013 05:46 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +
Conclusion: I'm actually a little bit surprised that Paper has been this scummy. If you hadn't made me filter dive, I don't think I would have this read on him. I agree, Paperscraps is quite scummy all things considered. However, his posting does seem genuine. I think that if we give him another day, he'll be able to redeem himself.
It's funny, Tofu, you actually bring some good arguments to the table (the "vote for me if you want" one), except for the reads. Do you automatically assume that wrong=scum? What makes me curious is that you want someone who is scummy to redeem himself? Is he scum or is he not scum? If he's scummy and you think is scummy, why exactly do you want him to redeem himself?
No, wrong isn't scum. However, if I can't see why how his reasoning would make sense from a town perspective, I consider that scummy.
Like I said before, I still think exarezee is scum. This makes me think Paper is town. Bad town, but town nonetheless. All the scummy things I pointed out could have been mistakes made by bad town. That's why I would much rather lynch exarezee and give Paper another chance.
However if the lynch comes down to Koshi vs. Paper, I'm not so sure where I would stand. I'm going to filter dive Koshi as well and decide.
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On July 29 2013 05:49 Koshi wrote:
Rayn you remember that game in which you were scum together with Artanis and Z-Boson?
That game in which I had this feeling about Artanis and you said "Koshi, you are not this bad, you must be scum"?
I got same feeling bro.
I don't understand. Did you just claim mafia?
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On July 29 2013 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 05:49 Koshi wrote:
Rayn you remember that game in which you were scum together with Artanis and Z-Boson?
That game in which I had this feeling about Artanis and you said "Koshi, you are not this bad, you must be scum"?
I got same feeling bro. I don't understand. Did you just claim mafia?
HOW?
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On July 29 2013 05:41 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 05:35 Vivax wrote:On July 29 2013 05:24 Malongo wrote:On July 29 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 29 2013 04:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
rayn your post is just a giant list of thread sentiment, your reason for calling hz town is literally stolen
Your thoughts on Malongo and Stutters make no sense to me though, could you expand on them? Malongo seems irritated by the fact he got lynched in the last game and is trying to play better. It seems like he is trying to play for town really hard compared to other games because of how people viewed him in those games. Stutters comes off as town as he noticed the same thing about Vivax i did. I tend to think people who agree with me are town, at least in things that most of the people seem to miss. My list is not based on thread sentiment. Maybe the thread sentiment is correct then if a lot of people agree on things. I think hz's tell is a strong town-tell, it's not stealing from you by any means. I just think alike you in that matter. Do you want to lynch FT? And it doesnt help me either that when I wake up I have to read 10 or more pages (and honestly didnt read with high proficiency). Our biggest problem right now is the lack of leads 3 hours to lynch. Thats why hz is still my prime suspect, I found it really bad when he posted about "consolidating 1 or 2 wagos early instead of pushing the lurkers". Clearly he wants to push Paper (wich is null to me atm) and every time he gets into an argument with someone his defence or case is slightly helped by other player around uninvolved. Read what other people has to say about him. Explain that bolded part to me. When you assume somebody is scum, shouldn't you be more acquainted with his reasons to push his suspects? You are supposed to find out if his cases are on townies, and pushed with scummy arguments. That said, is it possible you didn't get an opinion on your scumreads' scumread while analyzing him? I got a little lost there, I read it as: you want me to elaborate more on Paper right?
Yes. You think hz is scum, but your read on his scumread is null. That implies you didn't read your scumreads cases, which is pretty weird for you if you didn't. What exactly did you read of hz that makes you think he's scum if you don't agree or disagree with his case on PS?
If hz is scum as you say, his case on PS should show some fallacies or scummy traits somewhere, no?
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EBWOP: Oh sorry. I misread the last line. I thought you were saying you are thinking what i said there. :D
But please elaborate. You got a feeling that i am mafia? Why?
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