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On July 28 2013 15:48 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 15:39 Paperscraps wrote:On July 28 2013 15:30 FirmTofu wrote:
Hey guys, I was busy with my other game, but I'm back now for a bit. I'll answer any questions if you have them. I've going to sleep soon though. Hey, do you still think exarezee is a good lynch for today? I am leaning town on him right now. If anything I think there are better lynches, such as Vivax or JAT. Also I think my initial read on hzflank was hasty, after re reading his filter I find him being a possible lynch choice as well. exarezee is a great lynch for today and I don't think we'll get a better one. Even if you aren't convinced by my case, you can always read his responses and see if they look town to you. If I thought his responses were adequate, I would have backed off immediately. The problem is that his defense is pretty meager. First of all, he didn't answer half of my case. He picked and chose the points he felt he could defend strongly. Secondly, almost his entire defensive is in a dismissive tone where he just goes to each point and says, "That isn't true because I'm town." If he was town he'd be addressing my points directly. Also, I find it odd that he isn't voting me after I posted such a lengthy case against him. Remember, he found me scummy before the case, so why doesn't he find me more scummy after it? After all, from his point of view, I'm tunneling a townie. If I were town in his position, I think I would fight back with accusations, not just defensive posts.
I'm really having trouble wrapping my head around what is bolded because it's so bad. It just looks silly from a scum point of view to attack someone for being scum because they aren't accusing you back of being scum. But it doesn't make sense logically from a town point of view either. I don't even know how to approach this logically. I guess it's probably role independent and pretend I didn't read it.
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On July 29 2013 04:24 FirmTofu wrote:
Rayn always accuses me Day 1. This is becoming a thing now. I've been town every game and rayn has been wrong every time.
Exarezee is scum. I'm not sure what else I can say to convince you guys. Everything he has done this game is scummy. His defense is scummy. His attack on me is scummy. His attempt to set up 2 wagons is scummy. My vote stays on exarezee.
Not sure when I attacked you, but please show me.
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On July 29 2013 04:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
rayn your post is just a giant list of thread sentiment, your reason for calling hz town is literally stolen
Your thoughts on Malongo and Stutters make no sense to me though, could you expand on them?
Malongo seems irritated by the fact he got lynched in the last game and is trying to play better. It seems like he is trying to play for town really hard compared to other games because of how people viewed him in those games.
Stutters comes off as town as he noticed the same thing about Vivax i did. I tend to think people who agree with me are town, at least in things that most of the people seem to miss.
My list is not based on thread sentiment. Maybe the thread sentiment is correct then if a lot of people agree on things. I think hz's tell is a strong town-tell, it's not stealing from you by any means. I just think alike you in that matter.
Do you want to lynch FT?
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On July 29 2013 04:28 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 04:26 Stutters695 wrote:On July 29 2013 04:24 FirmTofu wrote:
Rayn always accuses me Day 1. This is becoming a thing now. I've been town every game and rayn has been wrong every time.
Exarezee is scum. I'm not sure what else I can say to convince you guys. Everything he has done this game is scummy. His defense is scummy. His attack on me is scummy. His attempt to set up 2 wagons is scummy. My vote stays on exarezee. Reread it, he's so obviously town I find it hard to believe you can't see it. Explain to me how he's town.
I already did that. Do you want to lynch Koshi or not? And why?
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Also FT, why is your stance on JAT so wishy-washy?
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On July 27 2013 22:25 exarezee wrote:
I think paperscraps and firmtofu are a good 1,2 wagon combo for day 1.
I don't think both are scum, but I think its a high chance one of the two are. Really strange initial votes on me by both of them. I don't understand why I had to be voted because I didn't provide a reason for a tone read I made. Paperscrap's vote is even more bewildering because he states he was "joking in all his posts." So, if they were townies making these votes I would have to assume they are trying to see if anybody jumps on my bandwagon and gain some information from it....but then they really quickly unvote. Just really strange town play IMO. Really can't see this being done as a scum/scum combo. It draws a little too much attention. Again, could be town/town, but I think its really likely a scum/town combo here.
On July 27 2013 23:53 exarezee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 23:48 hzflank wrote:On July 27 2013 23:33 exarezee wrote:
I forgot to address your other point hzflank.
I think I've stated who is more likely to be scum by the small case I put on paperscraps and the fact that I voted for him.
Why is me advocating the 2 wagons bad? I feel like I will get a lot of useful information regardless of how they turn. My scum lean on paperscraps isn't even that strong...and if he actually was joking then it's a very slight lean. Still, based on their interactions with me and their voting history on Day 1, I firmly believe that one of those two is scum. Because scum want two town wagons on day 1. Town only wants to find one scum as the chance of actually finding multiple scum on day 1 is very slim. If a scum member is under pressure and cannot deal with it alone then the simplest and easiest thing for the scum team to do is to ignore that person and secure two other lynch candidates. If town start saying that we want to lynch two specific people then it makes it too easy for scum to steer us into a mislynch without being noticed. If you think that they are both scum that is fine, but don't do anything resembling pushing for lynches on them both at the same time. You're exactly right. Scum would ideally want two town wagons Day 1. That's why we wagon paper and tofu......you really think they are town/town with their interactions with me day 1?
On July 28 2013 00:12 exarezee wrote:
Let's look at their summarized sequence of interactions with me and assume they are both town. If you can explain to me their logic in this bizarre sequence, i will acquiesce.
Tofu attacks me about the lurker talk.
I give a scum lean on papers.
Tofu votes me because I did not provide a reason for my scum lean on papers.
Papers comes back to thread and drops a vote on me. No reason is given.
I provide my reason on papers.
Tofu unvotes me and casts suspicion on papers now.
Papers unvotes me.
Papers plays off his posts as jokes.
On July 28 2013 00:26 exarezee wrote:
So the next question to me is: Well exarezee: What did they do that don't make sense to you?
I don't understand why tofu was debating lurkers with me.
I don't understand why tofu put a placeholder vote on me.
I don't understand why papers dropped in and put a vote on me.
I don't understand why tofu unvoted me and soft accused papers when i soft accused papers earlier.
I don't understand why papers unvoted me.
What I find really odd is that you stopped attacking me after I made my case on you. Am I correct in assuming that my case on you made me more town to you?
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EBWOP: That last post was a response to exarezee's request.
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Basically, I'm falling back to the logic that Tofu's posts are so bad that he can't be scum. There is little logical thought that goes through his posts. He seems to just post whitewater's on his head at the current moment and then hopes to go back through the thread and back it up. And if he can't find it, so be it.
Paper's posts are bad, but he tries to look better with them.
I won't be voting tofu today unless it's between tofu and an inactive. Still think the best money is on paperscraps though.
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On July 29 2013 04:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also FT, why is your stance on JAT so wishy-washy?
Because I don't really have a read on JAT. I'm not sure what to think of him at all. I could look over him again if you want. ATM he's basically null to me.
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On July 29 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 04:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
rayn your post is just a giant list of thread sentiment, your reason for calling hz town is literally stolen
Your thoughts on Malongo and Stutters make no sense to me though, could you expand on them? Malongo seems irritated by the fact he got lynched in the last game and is trying to play better. It seems like he is trying to play for town really hard compared to other games because of how people viewed him in those games. Stutters comes off as town as he noticed the same thing about Vivax i did. I tend to think people who agree with me are town, at least in things that most of the people seem to miss. My list is not based on thread sentiment. Maybe the thread sentiment is correct then if a lot of people agree on things. I think hz's tell is a strong town-tell, it's not stealing from you by any means. I just think alike you in that matter. Do you want to lynch FT?
Not stolen from me, not that that matters. Are you saying you agree or disagree that your listpost has a lot of thread sentiment in it?
If you had read the thread you'd know the answer to that question, no I don't want to lynch him.
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On July 29 2013 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 04:28 FirmTofu wrote:On July 29 2013 04:26 Stutters695 wrote:On July 29 2013 04:24 FirmTofu wrote:
Rayn always accuses me Day 1. This is becoming a thing now. I've been town every game and rayn has been wrong every time.
Exarezee is scum. I'm not sure what else I can say to convince you guys. Everything he has done this game is scummy. His defense is scummy. His attack on me is scummy. His attempt to set up 2 wagons is scummy. My vote stays on exarezee. Reread it, he's so obviously town I find it hard to believe you can't see it. Explain to me how he's town. I already did that. Do you want to lynch Koshi or not? And why?
If Koshi and Paperscraps were the two wagons today, I would definitely lynch Koshi. My biggest scum read is pushing Paperscraps, so I'm hesitant to think Paper is scum. Koshi has done absolutely nothing to convince me he's town.
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On July 29 2013 04:36 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 22:25 exarezee wrote:
I think paperscraps and firmtofu are a good 1,2 wagon combo for day 1.
I don't think both are scum, but I think its a high chance one of the two are. Really strange initial votes on me by both of them. I don't understand why I had to be voted because I didn't provide a reason for a tone read I made. Paperscrap's vote is even more bewildering because he states he was "joking in all his posts." So, if they were townies making these votes I would have to assume they are trying to see if anybody jumps on my bandwagon and gain some information from it....but then they really quickly unvote. Just really strange town play IMO. Really can't see this being done as a scum/scum combo. It draws a little too much attention. Again, could be town/town, but I think its really likely a scum/town combo here. Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 23:53 exarezee wrote:On July 27 2013 23:48 hzflank wrote:On July 27 2013 23:33 exarezee wrote:
I forgot to address your other point hzflank.
I think I've stated who is more likely to be scum by the small case I put on paperscraps and the fact that I voted for him.
Why is me advocating the 2 wagons bad? I feel like I will get a lot of useful information regardless of how they turn. My scum lean on paperscraps isn't even that strong...and if he actually was joking then it's a very slight lean. Still, based on their interactions with me and their voting history on Day 1, I firmly believe that one of those two is scum. Because scum want two town wagons on day 1. Town only wants to find one scum as the chance of actually finding multiple scum on day 1 is very slim. If a scum member is under pressure and cannot deal with it alone then the simplest and easiest thing for the scum team to do is to ignore that person and secure two other lynch candidates. If town start saying that we want to lynch two specific people then it makes it too easy for scum to steer us into a mislynch without being noticed. If you think that they are both scum that is fine, but don't do anything resembling pushing for lynches on them both at the same time. You're exactly right. Scum would ideally want two town wagons Day 1. That's why we wagon paper and tofu......you really think they are town/town with their interactions with me day 1? Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 00:12 exarezee wrote:
Let's look at their summarized sequence of interactions with me and assume they are both town. If you can explain to me their logic in this bizarre sequence, i will acquiesce.
Tofu attacks me about the lurker talk.
I give a scum lean on papers.
Tofu votes me because I did not provide a reason for my scum lean on papers.
Papers comes back to thread and drops a vote on me. No reason is given.
I provide my reason on papers.
Tofu unvotes me and casts suspicion on papers now.
Papers unvotes me.
Papers plays off his posts as jokes.
Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 00:26 exarezee wrote:
So the next question to me is: Well exarezee: What did they do that don't make sense to you?
I don't understand why tofu was debating lurkers with me.
I don't understand why tofu put a placeholder vote on me.
I don't understand why papers dropped in and put a vote on me.
I don't understand why tofu unvoted me and soft accused papers when i soft accused papers earlier.
I don't understand why papers unvoted me. What I find really odd is that you stopped attacking me after I made my case on you. Am I correct in assuming that my case on you made me more town to you?
Your case on me was terrible. But yes, it's making you look more town to me because it was so bad. I've never attacked you directly. I've thrown some soft accusations along the lines of "I don't understand what town tofu is doing" but i've never directly accused you being scum. I think one of you/paper is a scum. I'm more inclined to think it is paper at the present.
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On July 29 2013 04:39 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 29 2013 04:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
rayn your post is just a giant list of thread sentiment, your reason for calling hz town is literally stolen
Your thoughts on Malongo and Stutters make no sense to me though, could you expand on them? Malongo seems irritated by the fact he got lynched in the last game and is trying to play better. It seems like he is trying to play for town really hard compared to other games because of how people viewed him in those games. Stutters comes off as town as he noticed the same thing about Vivax i did. I tend to think people who agree with me are town, at least in things that most of the people seem to miss. My list is not based on thread sentiment. Maybe the thread sentiment is correct then if a lot of people agree on things. I think hz's tell is a strong town-tell, it's not stealing from you by any means. I just think alike you in that matter. Do you want to lynch FT? Not stolen from me, not that that matters. Are you saying you agree or disagree that your listpost has a lot of thread sentiment in it? If you had read the thread you'd know the answer to that question, no I don't want to lynch him.
I don't care if my reads follow the thread sentiment. They seem to do so, yes. What does that say to you? That i am scum because i think like other people in this game do? Does that sound ligical to you, because to me it sounds ridiculous.
Why do you think we should lynch Stutters ot Malongo?`If you can point out something that makes one of them scum i'm willing to look closer into it.
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Because I wasn't playing so clearly I'm scum. I asked him earlier and he ignored it 
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Also Tofu read page 5 and 6 of his filter. That isn't scum responses at all.
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On July 29 2013 04:40 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 29 2013 04:28 FirmTofu wrote:On July 29 2013 04:26 Stutters695 wrote:On July 29 2013 04:24 FirmTofu wrote:
Rayn always accuses me Day 1. This is becoming a thing now. I've been town every game and rayn has been wrong every time.
Exarezee is scum. I'm not sure what else I can say to convince you guys. Everything he has done this game is scummy. His defense is scummy. His attack on me is scummy. His attempt to set up 2 wagons is scummy. My vote stays on exarezee. Reread it, he's so obviously town I find it hard to believe you can't see it. Explain to me how he's town. I already did that. Do you want to lynch Koshi or not? And why? If Koshi and Paperscraps were the two wagons today, I would definitely lynch Koshi. My biggest scum read is pushing Paperscraps, so I'm hesitant to think Paper is scum. Koshi has done absolutely nothing to convince me he's town.
Why does it matter that you biggest scumread is pushing paper? What if you are wrong? Are you ignoring the possibility that Paper is mafia because of pre-flip association? That to me sounds like an excuse to avoid voting for / looking into someone.
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On July 29 2013 04:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 04:40 FirmTofu wrote:On July 29 2013 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 29 2013 04:28 FirmTofu wrote:On July 29 2013 04:26 Stutters695 wrote:On July 29 2013 04:24 FirmTofu wrote:
Rayn always accuses me Day 1. This is becoming a thing now. I've been town every game and rayn has been wrong every time.
Exarezee is scum. I'm not sure what else I can say to convince you guys. Everything he has done this game is scummy. His defense is scummy. His attack on me is scummy. His attempt to set up 2 wagons is scummy. My vote stays on exarezee. Reread it, he's so obviously town I find it hard to believe you can't see it. Explain to me how he's town. I already did that. Do you want to lynch Koshi or not? And why? If Koshi and Paperscraps were the two wagons today, I would definitely lynch Koshi. My biggest scum read is pushing Paperscraps, so I'm hesitant to think Paper is scum. Koshi has done absolutely nothing to convince me he's town. Why does it matter that you biggest scumread is pushing paper? What if you are wrong? Are you ignoring the possibility that Paper is mafia because of pre-flip association? That to me sounds like an excuse to avoid voting for / looking into someone.
Not ignoring it, I'm just saying it's less likely. Of course, I could be wrong. In my opinion, the chances of that are very slim. If exarezee is mafia, Paper is unlikely to be mafia. That's a fact. Therefore, if I believe exarezee is mafia, then why in the fuck would I vote for Paper?
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And reading your part on Malongo Rayn I must say I disagree there. Any continued effort on his part and I'd believe you but one post is not a trend. It wasn't even that good of a post. I can understand your logic but that's null as shit to me. If we can't agree on a lynch I'd totally lynch him today but he's really better left to any vigs we have.
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On July 29 2013 04:59 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 04:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 29 2013 04:40 FirmTofu wrote:On July 29 2013 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 29 2013 04:28 FirmTofu wrote:On July 29 2013 04:26 Stutters695 wrote:On July 29 2013 04:24 FirmTofu wrote:
Rayn always accuses me Day 1. This is becoming a thing now. I've been town every game and rayn has been wrong every time.
Exarezee is scum. I'm not sure what else I can say to convince you guys. Everything he has done this game is scummy. His defense is scummy. His attack on me is scummy. His attempt to set up 2 wagons is scummy. My vote stays on exarezee. Reread it, he's so obviously town I find it hard to believe you can't see it. Explain to me how he's town. I already did that. Do you want to lynch Koshi or not? And why? If Koshi and Paperscraps were the two wagons today, I would definitely lynch Koshi. My biggest scum read is pushing Paperscraps, so I'm hesitant to think Paper is scum. Koshi has done absolutely nothing to convince me he's town. Why does it matter that you biggest scumread is pushing paper? What if you are wrong? Are you ignoring the possibility that Paper is mafia because of pre-flip association? That to me sounds like an excuse to avoid voting for / looking into someone. Not ignoring it, I'm just saying it's less likely. Of course, I could be wrong. In my opinion, the chances of that are very slim. If exarezee is mafia, Paper is unlikely to be mafia. That's a fact. Therefore, if I believe exarezee is mafia, then why in the fuck would I vote for Paper?
You could look into paper's posts and form a thought on whether he is town or mafia rather than basing it solely on what you think my alignment is.
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On July 29 2013 05:02 exarezee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 04:59 FirmTofu wrote:On July 29 2013 04:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 29 2013 04:40 FirmTofu wrote:On July 29 2013 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 29 2013 04:28 FirmTofu wrote:On July 29 2013 04:26 Stutters695 wrote:On July 29 2013 04:24 FirmTofu wrote:
Rayn always accuses me Day 1. This is becoming a thing now. I've been town every game and rayn has been wrong every time.
Exarezee is scum. I'm not sure what else I can say to convince you guys. Everything he has done this game is scummy. His defense is scummy. His attack on me is scummy. His attempt to set up 2 wagons is scummy. My vote stays on exarezee. Reread it, he's so obviously town I find it hard to believe you can't see it. Explain to me how he's town. I already did that. Do you want to lynch Koshi or not? And why? If Koshi and Paperscraps were the two wagons today, I would definitely lynch Koshi. My biggest scum read is pushing Paperscraps, so I'm hesitant to think Paper is scum. Koshi has done absolutely nothing to convince me he's town. Why does it matter that you biggest scumread is pushing paper? What if you are wrong? Are you ignoring the possibility that Paper is mafia because of pre-flip association? That to me sounds like an excuse to avoid voting for / looking into someone. Not ignoring it, I'm just saying it's less likely. Of course, I could be wrong. In my opinion, the chances of that are very slim. If exarezee is mafia, Paper is unlikely to be mafia. That's a fact. Therefore, if I believe exarezee is mafia, then why in the fuck would I vote for Paper? You could look into paper's posts and form a thought on whether he is town or mafia rather than basing it solely on what you think my alignment is.
Okay, give me a few minutes.
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