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On July 29 2013 03:33 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 03:28 exarezee wrote:
You two have drawn too much attention to yourselves early in Day 1. It is pretty bold when there is no N0. It requires very careful coordination to both soft attack/accuse the same person who if he turns up town will put some pressure back on you eventually.
It's just not likely for scum to do this kind of thing. Let's suppose a scum starts the initial vote on someone. It's very rare that another scum will immediately jump onto that ship. Fair enough. I still think you're scum. This reminds me of my newbie game with hzflank where I tunneled scum and no one believed me. We ended up lynching all the other scum first because everyone thought my scumread was too abrasive to be scum. History repeats itself.
Actually after you died we did it the manly way and lynched your initial scum-read first, because he seemed the stronger of the two remaining scum :p
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On July 29 2013 03:24 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 02:54 Koshi wrote:On July 29 2013 02:49 hzflank wrote:On July 29 2013 02:46 Koshi wrote:On July 29 2013 02:37 hzflank wrote:
Koshi, my playstyle is similar to last game where I was scum and also to the game before where I was town. My playstyle is slowly evolving, as it should. Your playstyle is very different to the last game where you were town. Do you not see how this makes you look more scum than me?
You need to start actually scum-hunting because so far there is no evidence of it. What do you think of my case on Paper? I said I dislike it. Paper looks cool. That is not what I asked. What do you think of the reasons as to why I think Paper is scum? I think there is a chance that you are tunneling paper to prove you are scumhunting and to hide your reads on other people. Because it is hard to fake reads on multiple people as scum. Hence my vote and shizzle. And what makes it more likely that I am doing that than actually just pushing my scum read? Is this your first game as scum, Koshi? Personally, I did not find it hard to fake reads on multiple people as scum, but judging by what you have posted so far in this game it seems that you do. Still, that is the best reason for me being scum that you have posted so far. Why did it take you so long to post that reason? It's not exactly an original reason either as it is basically what Vivax said earlier. If you are town then I still do not understand your game plan. Are you so confident that you knew that I would question you so that you could push your read on me that way? I did not see you asking a lot of questions to me. If you are town then you should be pushing me at this point. You truly are apathetic towards the lynch, though. Give me one good reason as to why you are not scum?
Unicorns.
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Quick question, how does FT know CJS' identity?
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On July 29 2013 03:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Quick question, how does FT know CJS' identity?
He accidentally posted on his Cora account.
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Also, Rayn...bring some sanity when you finally join us. Thanks 
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I don't know what to do with Koshi at this point. I cannot push him because he is convinced that I am scum and is just avoiding my questions. Unless someone else can get something good out of Koshi then I am going to have to assume that he is scum.
Can someone else try, please?
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On July 29 2013 03:50 hzflank wrote:
I don't know what to do with Koshi at this point. I cannot push him because he is convinced that I am scum and is just avoiding my questions. Unless someone else can get something good out of Koshi then I am going to have to assume that he is scum.
Can someone else try, please?
I have that feeling he was mimicking my own targets, and he doesn't really push anything, more like constantly communicating who he would lynch.
I don't like his style of play as opposed to the last game I was in with him. But I really like the chap and hence will give him some extra leeway, only day 1 though, koshibro, please show some more ambition D2 :>.
I'd like to see more from stutters than just stuff about me.
Gonna sift through PS and JAT again after dinner.
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I had hz on my list way before you joined us Vivax.
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On July 29 2013 01:38 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 01:03 exarezee wrote:
meh, don't really see why smurfs are allowed in games. gives the smurf too much of an advantage. Are you and JAT friends?
nope. don't know anybody in this thread.
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Oatsmaster - Has about 25% of the posts in this game. When Oats posts shitton he is town. Is also making sense.
Vivax - Has good posts and trying to figre out stuff. On the other hand i feel like something is not right here. I have no idea what it is but i think Vivax is worth looking more closely into.
Clarity_nl - Definitely yown. I like his thought process on like everything. Is pushing his reads and doing that hard.
IMCaptainJackSparrow - Town, pretty sure of it. His exchange with exarezee was interesting and he came out of it much better looking. I think he should let Oats go and find a mafia target instead. It's not so hard to see Oats is town.
Paperscraps - Posting feel genuine and he had good points until his last post. This one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422720¤tpage=26#501 , where he says he should not explain why his read on Oats is what it is. That to me seems like he has a read on Oats that he is not able to explain. Bad.
Malongo - Purely based on his first post and my experience with him in other games.
VayneAuthority - I think Vayne's posting implies he is town. I don't like him not giving out his reads if he thinks someone is mafia, but that's how he rolls on D1 as town. Definitely not worth lynching.
Stutters695 - I really liked Stutters' post about Vivax early on. I dunno what makes him think CJS is mafia, and i'm waiting on his case on paperscraps.
hzflank - I had a big big red read on hzflank before this: "I did start to prepare a case on Oats yesterday but I cancelled it shortly after starting. As I was writing it I became less sure that Oats was scum and I did not want to post a case that I did not believe in myself. That is fairly normal for me as I seem to be good at convincing myself that someone is not scum." That basically proves that hzflank is town, that is so incredibly genuine.
Koshi - Says people should not pressure FT, wrong. People who are scummy should be pressured. His vote on hzflank is horrible, it's clear that he doesn't even think the dude is scum. Other than that he has not done anything that can be considered scumhunting.
FirmTofu - Early on says that "we should talk about the game instead of general bullshit", which he has been talking about in his every post before that. Later on he corrects himself that he was talking about RPing, gifs etc. That's as useless as lurker-lynch talk. tsk tsk. CJS posts btw are totally not fluff, they were at time amongst the best in the game. His stance on JAT is fucking weird and his exarezee case accuses him for same things he says about JAT. He is throwing shit left and right but not trying to figure out who are scum with exarezee, who is he voting at. He is not questioning him at all but soft-accusing other people.
justanothertownie - I don't think he has said anything useful. His vote on Paper is pretty shitty because paper has at least expressed some reads, which JAT has not done at all. Only thing he has done is to get into a shitfest with Oats, which is not useful thing to do for a townie.
exarezee - He has posted a fuckton and he is new. I don't think there is a chance that he is mafia based purely on that. The cases / votes on him are shit, none of those reasons make him mafia.
Vivax, who do you actually think is mafia? Where is your head at. I was assuming you to take a town leading status and drive the discussion into important matters. You are staying in the sidelines and not doing much. Why is that?
Koshi, all you have done is posted useless lists. Who do you think is scum and why? What is your stance on FirmTofu? Do you still think he is town?
FirmTofu, wanna lynch Koshi? Or can you give me reasons to not lynch him?
Stutters, you wanna make that case on Paper?
##Vote: FirmTofu
Definitely scummiest person so far. His case on exarezee is bad. All the points on him are assumptions that cannot be defended against other than "no, you are wrong". There is no concrete evidence. Then he calls him wishy-washy as exarezee does not have a clear stance on someone. Look at what he says about JAT after that. "I can move my vote on him if you make a good enough case". Right...
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On July 29 2013 03:50 hzflank wrote:
I don't know what to do with Koshi at this point. I cannot push him because he is convinced that I am scum and is just avoiding my questions. Unless someone else can get something good out of Koshi then I am going to have to assume that he is scum.
Can someone else try, please?
Nothing you can do with Koshi. Wait till Day 2. While I don't particularly like that he has no reads, it is Day 1 after all. I don't think that's he's convinced you are town. Diagree with his logic to vote a lurker, but he voted you because you are to him the scummiest of the active players.
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On July 29 2013 04:06 exarezee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 03:50 hzflank wrote:
I don't know what to do with Koshi at this point. I cannot push him because he is convinced that I am scum and is just avoiding my questions. Unless someone else can get something good out of Koshi then I am going to have to assume that he is scum.
Can someone else try, please? Nothing you can do with Koshi. Wait till Day 2. While I don't particularly like that he has no reads, it is Day 1 after all. I don't think that's he's convinced you are town. Diagree with his logic to vote a lurker, but he voted you because you are to him the scummiest of the active players.
Depending on exactly who the scum team is, there is a good chance that a town-Koshi will not live to see day 2. This bothers me because if Koshi is town he should see that and he should really step up his game at this point. A cannot get my head around what a town-Koshi is doing at this point.
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Anyway, on to why I'm down with the paper lynch.
His post on lynching lurkers was weird. Not committal but that's w/e. Opening d1 is really awkward for both alignments.
What gets me about him is two-fold. First despite his clear protesting about not lynching lurkers and a clear understanding of a pro-town environment he lurks and provides no justification for his play that clearly doesn't match his expected play of a townie.
His reads are also very loose and for the most part do nothing to actually catch scum. It's also a little weird that despite all the controversy around CJS and Firm he doesn't modify his reads from null on them but picks all of his targets from the people he hadn't previously commented on.
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rayn your post is just a giant list of thread sentiment, your reason for calling hz town is literally stolen
Your thoughts on Malongo and Stutters make no sense to me though, could you expand on them?
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I'm starting to think tofu is more and more town. which also means paper is more and more scum.
Yes, tofu's arguments are terrible. But he says some things which make it harder for me to believe a scum is falsifying his beliefs in order to get a mislynch. "When he says why aren't you voting me because I'm voting you." Does scum really say this kind of stuff.
To the people that think papers is town: He has a very short 1 page filter. Can you quote the posts that you think villager papers makes?
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Rayn always accuses me Day 1. This is becoming a thing now. I've been town every game and rayn has been wrong every time.
Exarezee is scum. I'm not sure what else I can say to convince you guys. Everything he has done this game is scummy. His defense is scummy. His attack on me is scummy. His attempt to set up 2 wagons is scummy. My vote stays on exarezee.
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On July 29 2013 04:24 FirmTofu wrote:
Rayn always accuses me Day 1. This is becoming a thing now. I've been town every game and rayn has been wrong every time.
Exarezee is scum. I'm not sure what else I can say to convince you guys. Everything he has done this game is scummy. His defense is scummy. His attack on me is scummy. His attempt to set up 2 wagons is scummy. My vote stays on exarezee.
Reread it, he's so obviously town I find it hard to believe you can't see it.
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And on that note, going to check out FT a bit closer.
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On July 29 2013 04:26 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 04:24 FirmTofu wrote:
Rayn always accuses me Day 1. This is becoming a thing now. I've been town every game and rayn has been wrong every time.
Exarezee is scum. I'm not sure what else I can say to convince you guys. Everything he has done this game is scummy. His defense is scummy. His attack on me is scummy. His attempt to set up 2 wagons is scummy. My vote stays on exarezee. Reread it, he's so obviously town I find it hard to believe you can't see it.
Explain to me how he's town.
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