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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On July 08 2013 06:28 geript wrote: @Tofu, who are your top 3 scum suspects right now and why? Busy running through filters, but I would like y'all to have a look at Dandel and Maju for now. I'll keep you posted as I find solid scum reads on more active players. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On July 08 2013 06:31 Xatalos wrote: Okeedoke. Those are much better reasons, imo.Well, I did play with you in Paranoia (you were town) and PTP (you were scum). Your current play just seems closer to PTP, and that's my main reason for voting you. Your questions aren't really uninteresting in themself, but your way of posting them feels... uninterested I guess. You've just posted a series of questions here and there, but it's not making any kind of impact on the thread and you're not following up on them in any way. I'm not sure if you've even been answered to any of them? Doesn't look like it, just looking at your filter... There's no sense of discussion, drawing conclusions or anything, just some random questions thrown at the thread and then forgotten / not made use of. Also this post feels wrong. Weird complaining about the state of the thread, yet not doing anything about it or basically doing *anything* useful in the thread yourself. No, I haven't followed up. I reasked MZ, but he seems to be non-scummy on rayn at this point. So...question sorta answered. If he really pushed at scum rayn, I was going to find that scummy from him, because I didn't see his angle at all really in light of rayn's total posting. That may not matter depending on these nukes. Following up with some other stuff needs to wait. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
So johnnywup makes too many uncharacteristic town posts to be scum. If it was only one or two, I'd have to stick with the impression that it's scumslip. However, from the opening "I don't really know the rules," to the wishy-washy follow ups, to the latest "going to look through people who are voting for me and accusing large part of them of being scum," it's just consistently bad town rather than one or two careless mistakes. I'll have to continue to watch this guy. ##unvote I guess now, I'd like to see some pressure on Chezinu, Geript, and WoS and I'd like to hear more from the inactives and Ace. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
On July 08 2013 06:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually he did not defend me at all. Both you and him misread my post, what else could he have said? Well, it was a confusing time, but his interactions with both you and me felt townish to me. It felt like he was trying to understand and help, and definitely felt like he was (at least softly) defending you there. Not putting him as a clear townread based on that, but leaning town definitely. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On July 08 2013 06:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: You asked if I could see Areason. You didn't ask for a good one. But he gave a reason, and that's what it was.Austin: Are you seriously saying that is a good reason to nuke Xata? Like, why? As far as whether it's a good or bad reason, I don't care. His reasoning behind the nuke, IF THERE IS A NUKE, isn't telling on his alignment to me. I assume the fuel that powers that nuke's flight is fun, not scumhunting/fake scumhunting, and that it would be fun for either alignment of chez to fire off the "revenge" nuke. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
Xata, reasonable would be the word i would describe Ace atm. That certainly does not make him town and MZ is either scum or really wrong with his reasoning. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
On July 08 2013 06:38 austinmcc wrote: You asked if I could see Areason. You didn't ask for a good one. But he gave a reason, and that's what it was. As far as whether it's a good or bad reason, I don't care. His reasoning behind the nuke, IF THERE IS A NUKE, isn't telling on his alignment to me. I assume the fuel that powers that nuke's flight is fun, not scumhunting/fake scumhunting, and that it would be fun for either alignment of chez to fire off the "revenge" nuke. Well of course there always can be a reason. "Because i can". Anyways nuking Xatalos does not make any sense from town PoV and that's why Chezinu is scum. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
On July 08 2013 06:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: TanGeng what makes you think geript is scum? Xata, reasonable would be the word i would describe Ace atm. That certainly does not make him town and MZ is either scum or really wrong with his reasoning. Reasonable..? I've observed one game where Ace was scum. There he just posted some random filler and stayed out of the discussion. Those early-game interactions this game felt very townish compared to that. He's not a good lynch for now at least, that's for certain. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
On July 08 2013 06:35 austinmcc wrote: Okeedoke. Those are much better reasons, imo. No, I haven't followed up. I reasked MZ, but he seems to be non-scummy on rayn at this point. So...question sorta answered. If he really pushed at scum rayn, I was going to find that scummy from him, because I didn't see his angle at all really in light of rayn's total posting. That may not matter depending on these nukes. Following up with some other stuff needs to wait. Why do you need to wait for contribution.......? That's just a scummy/lazy/reactive approach instead of a townish/contributive/proactive approach. If you want me to unvote you, at least give some valid reason to do that. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6782 Posts
On July 08 2013 06:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Austin: Are you seriously saying that is a good reason to nuke Xata? Like, why? MZ: So Ace is supposedly a good scumplayer. And you are saying he is really easy to figure out as town when he is town. How the fuck does that make sense? On Dandel: We are not lynching Dandel. He is most likely town. If Ace was active and contributing and playing like most people consider "town" I'd be more suspicious of him because one of his strengths is appearing town. Right now he doesn't give a fuck and that's town Ace. If he suddenly came blasting in here and accusing people and making cases and shit that wouldn't instantly make him scum but it'd make me second guess the town play. You apparently had an off game with him, it's rather difficult for me to explain this concept to someone who's never seen it. There's a PYP game where Ace plays his typical scum game and incognito nails him on it, I don't remember exactly the name of the game but that would neatly illustrate my point. Anyway we are lynching Dandel today, I just decided. | ||
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OriginalName
Canada1140 Posts
On July 08 2013 06:30 austinmcc wrote: There isn't a reason not to lynch him eventually, based on his play so far. I think that his filter is full of junk. His playful posts in the beginning add nothing. He's very, very ... accusatory/bristly, when I don't see a need for him to be. That's a characteristic to compare to past games. Early post towards you, later post towards johnny, just really being antagonistic when there's no reason. Beyond those, he's chimed in on a couple things but either after others have said the same thing, or with chiming that doesn't actually do anything/go anywhere. He don't look groovy. Yes. Xat fakenuked Chez. being accusatory or bristly doesnt mean im scum though, you have to provoke a reaction in order to find information. Right now we have a half decent atmosphere for hunting and and we can continue pushing people, this is not majority lynch its plurality, votes can fly everywhere for the fisrt part of the day its not like we risk having a hammer drop. Why shouldn't we be antagonistic towards scum, Johnny's later defense put him in a much better light, if we had not pressured him as much we did not gain information. Why do you not like more information Austin, do you have issues with a playstyle because i can point to mulitple other town players who played like me in past games, I'm not here to be nice im here to get scum. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6782 Posts
On July 07 2013 07:12 Dandel Ion wrote: Also, in an concentrated effort to prepare for sicilian mafia (for which I'm not actually signed up for, but you can never know), I'll stop posting for the dayphase, and only vote from now on. Inactive Dandel is scum Dandel Apathetic Dandel is scum Dandel Let's not let him slide here. | ||
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OriginalName
Canada1140 Posts
On July 07 2013 07:12 Dandel Ion wrote: Also, in an concentrated effort to prepare for sicilian mafia (for which I'm not actually signed up for, but you can never know), I'll stop posting for the dayphase, and only vote from now on. I just look at this and go what the fuck. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
Meapak, what's with you and Dandel Ion? He hasn't really done anything, yeah, and that's concerning. Especially compared to his town play in PTP. Actually he might be an okay lynch, but it'd basically be a shot into the dark (he could reasonably likely be just AFK as town). Not a solid scum lynch by any means. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On July 08 2013 06:47 Xatalos wrote: I need to wait for contribution in some cases because it's the answer/thought process itself that's more important to me than anything else someone has posted. Or, at least, that's the case with Onegu.Why do you need to wait for contribution.......? That's just a scummy/lazy/reactive approach instead of a townish/contributive/proactive approach. If you want me to unvote you, at least give some valid reason to do that. Also, yes. My play so far has been lazy/reactive. But as of right now, I'm doing what I'm doing. Also also, if you don't die, I have determined that you are town. Huzzah! | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
On July 08 2013 06:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Inactive Dandel is scum Dandel Apathetic Dandel is scum Dandel Let's not let him slide here. So Dandel, who is usually as town the most disruptive person (besides Oats) in thread tried a new scum-strategy? That's what you are trying to sell us? | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6782 Posts
On July 08 2013 06:53 Xatalos wrote: geript/rayn, would you be down for an austinmcc lynch? His answers so far haven't really been satisfactory. At the very least I want him under heavier pressure ASAP. Meapak, what's with you and Dandel Ion? He hasn't really done anything, yeah, and that's concerning. Especially compared to his town play in PTP. Actually he might be an okay lynch, but it'd basically be a shot into the dark (he could reasonably likely be just AFK as town). Not a solid scum lynch by any means. As austin's scumbuddy in PTP I can't get behind his lynch today. There are just too many differences. He's not as evasive as he was in PTP and he's been a lot more active. I very carefully watched his play in PTP and I just don't see enough similarities here. Dandel on the other hand is trying to skate in a large game. I recall him being a lot more active and spammy when he's town. He's usually making reads and participating but instead this game I feel like he's trying to see how long he can lurk. This is not town Dandel and I feel that it is a much better lynch than austin. | ||
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