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Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6785 Posts
July 07 2013 21:57 GMT
#641
On July 08 2013 06:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 06:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 07 2013 07:12 Dandel Ion wrote:
Also, in an concentrated effort to prepare for sicilian mafia (for which I'm not actually signed up for, but you can never know), I'll stop posting for the dayphase, and only vote from now on.

Inactive Dandel is scum Dandel
Apathetic Dandel is scum Dandel

Let's not let him slide here.


So Dandel, who is usually as town the most disruptive person (besides Oats) in thread tried a new scum-strategy? That's what you are trying to sell us?

Read your post again slowly.

I'll let you figure it out.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 07 2013 21:57 GMT
#642
On July 08 2013 06:53 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 06:47 Xatalos wrote:
On July 08 2013 06:35 austinmcc wrote:
On July 08 2013 06:31 Xatalos wrote:
On July 08 2013 06:15 austinmcc wrote:
On July 08 2013 06:06 Xatalos wrote:
On July 08 2013 05:56 austinmcc wrote:
On July 08 2013 05:51 Xatalos wrote:
I'll go ahead and vote austinmcc now.

##Vote austinmcc

He's been basically just asking (filler) questions and not scumhunting or showing effort so far. At least he's less lurky than in PTP, but that's not a hard feat, and it's still not even close to how I remember his townie self. Just comparing his town meta to this game (or PTP) makes it feel like he has to be scum or 3rd party etc. I didn't push this stance hard enough in PTP, but I'm not going to repeat the same mistake now - unless he starts appearing townish ASAP.

geript, you still want to lynch WoS or whom?
What is my town meta? More specifically, my town meta in a large game?

Also, do you have interest in the answers to the questions that I have asked, but have not gotten answers to?


Paranoia Mafia. That's the only game where we've played together as town so far, I think.

Actually I suspected you there for some time (role-related stuff) but I didn't think your overall posting was scummy. In fact, I mentioned at several points how townish your posting was, and ultimately I came to the right and simple conclusion that you were indeed town.

I can't say I get any of that same feeling in this game so far though.

What does your last sentence mean?
As far as I can tell, you gave three reasons for thinking I'm scummy.

I'm basically just asking filler questions
I'm not scumhunting/putting in effort
I am not my townie self/I am not playing in accordance with my town meta


My last sentence is in relation to your first reason for thinking I'm scum. If my questions are filler, they don't matter, and I'm not going anywhere with them. However, if you're actually interested in the answers to my questions, then they don't seem like they are filler. If you're not interested in the answers to my questions, I ... I dunno, I think you should be.

As far as meta, go look at any larger game. Especially a larger game where I don't know 1/2 or 2/3 the people. My play in a single medium-size game, where I was blue, and almost got lynched because I was an idiot, doesn't seem like the perfect point of comparison. Or go look at my scum games. I was interested in what exactly you were pulling meta from, seeing as it appears to be a large part of your reason for voting me.

That's it, was just poking at your reasons for voting me.


Well, I did play with you in Paranoia (you were town) and PTP (you were scum). Your current play just seems closer to PTP, and that's my main reason for voting you.

Your questions aren't really uninteresting in themself, but your way of posting them feels... uninterested I guess. You've just posted a series of questions here and there, but it's not making any kind of impact on the thread and you're not following up on them in any way. I'm not sure if you've even been answered to any of them? Doesn't look like it, just looking at your filter... There's no sense of discussion, drawing conclusions or anything, just some random questions thrown at the thread and then forgotten / not made use of.

On July 07 2013 09:56 austinmcc wrote:
Right now I pretty much just hate this thread. I'm reading it, but not fully processing it, because a lot of it has nothing to do with anything and I wish people would quit posting so much. The post-chez stuff is shitting up the thread but doing so in a very obvious and very...wrong way. If he's scum and just trying to get chez nuked, that seems silly AND is going to put a target on his head if chez were town (OMG CHEZ NUKED TOWN, NUKE CHEZ, OMG CHEZ WAS TOWN....NUKE ME?).

Therefore, I don't want to lynch him right now. But I also don't want to read filter at this point because he's been involved in all this early silliness.


Also this post feels wrong. Weird complaining about the state of the thread, yet not doing anything about it or basically doing *anything* useful in the thread yourself.
Okeedoke. Those are much better reasons, imo.

No, I haven't followed up. I reasked MZ, but he seems to be non-scummy on rayn at this point. So...question sorta answered. If he really pushed at scum rayn, I was going to find that scummy from him, because I didn't see his angle at all really in light of rayn's total posting. That may not matter depending on these nukes. Following up with some other stuff needs to wait.


Why do you need to wait for contribution.......? That's just a scummy/lazy/reactive approach instead of a townish/contributive/proactive approach. If you want me to unvote you, at least give some valid reason to do that.
I need to wait for contribution in some cases because it's the answer/thought process itself that's more important to me than anything else someone has posted. Or, at least, that's the case with Onegu.

Also, yes. My play so far has been lazy/reactive. But as of right now, I'm doing what I'm doing.

Also also, if you don't die, I have determined that you are town. Huzzah!


That warms my heart. If you're actually town after all, that is. Right now I'm finding that a bit hard to believe with your uncharacteristically reactionary and passive playstyle.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 07 2013 22:01 GMT
#643
On July 08 2013 06:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 06:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 08 2013 06:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 07 2013 07:12 Dandel Ion wrote:
Also, in an concentrated effort to prepare for sicilian mafia (for which I'm not actually signed up for, but you can never know), I'll stop posting for the dayphase, and only vote from now on.

Inactive Dandel is scum Dandel
Apathetic Dandel is scum Dandel

Let's not let him slide here.


So Dandel, who is usually as town the most disruptive person (besides Oats) in thread tried a new scum-strategy? That's what you are trying to sell us?

Read your post again slowly.

I'll let you figure it out.

No, you answer it.

Are you seriously saying Dandel's answer in a large game like this as mafia is that he is going to be even more lurky / aphatic (as you put it) than usually as mafia, when it's really easy to mimic his town play as there is a lot of shit going on at every moment?
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 07 2013 22:06 GMT
#644
On July 08 2013 06:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 06:53 Xatalos wrote:
geript/rayn, would you be down for an austinmcc lynch? His answers so far haven't really been satisfactory. At the very least I want him under heavier pressure ASAP.

Meapak, what's with you and Dandel Ion? He hasn't really done anything, yeah, and that's concerning. Especially compared to his town play in PTP. Actually he might be an okay lynch, but it'd basically be a shot into the dark (he could reasonably likely be just AFK as town). Not a solid scum lynch by any means.

As austin's scumbuddy in PTP I can't get behind his lynch today. There are just too many differences. He's not as evasive as he was in PTP and he's been a lot more active. I very carefully watched his play in PTP and I just don't see enough similarities here.

Dandel on the other hand is trying to skate in a large game. I recall him being a lot more active and spammy when he's town. He's usually making reads and participating but instead this game I feel like he's trying to see how long he can lurk. This is not town Dandel and I feel that it is a much better lynch than austin.


My brother nuke-target has abandoned me

It's no wonder if austinmcc is more active now, since he was AFK for quite some times in PTP (I think?). Also it's not impossible to act a bit differently otherwise, just to make it harder to read you for example.

Lynching Dandel Ion based on being completely AFK feels... Random, I guess. He might flip scum, he might flip town, but there's no real way to say for good certainty which it's going to be. I agree that his AFK-fest points to scum rather than town, but I also wonder if he would really be so stupid to sacrifice any chance to survive until endgame like this (if he keeps up this level of activity).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6785 Posts
July 07 2013 22:08 GMT
#645
On July 08 2013 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 06:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 08 2013 06:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 08 2013 06:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 07 2013 07:12 Dandel Ion wrote:
Also, in an concentrated effort to prepare for sicilian mafia (for which I'm not actually signed up for, but you can never know), I'll stop posting for the dayphase, and only vote from now on.

Inactive Dandel is scum Dandel
Apathetic Dandel is scum Dandel

Let's not let him slide here.


So Dandel, who is usually as town the most disruptive person (besides Oats) in thread tried a new scum-strategy? That's what you are trying to sell us?

Read your post again slowly.

I'll let you figure it out.

No, you answer it.

Are you seriously saying Dandel's answer in a large game like this as mafia is that he is going to be even more lurky / aphatic (as you put it) than usually as mafia, when it's really easy to mimic his town play as there is a lot of shit going on at every moment?

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I literally have no idea what you're trying to say.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
July 07 2013 22:12 GMT
#646
MZ, he thinks that DI is usually spammy/disruptive/doing whatever in his town games.

To the extent you're arguing that DI began the game with faux-trolliness (which is how I read your take on DI's early posts), he's saying if DI is going to fake his town game, he would also be faking trolly/disruptive posts throughout D1.

As in, "If this were scumDI, putting on a troll show for his natural town predators who would want to lynch not-trolly DI, then why isn't scumDI continuing to be trolly, when it would be so easy?"

I think.
Fe fi fo fum.
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6785 Posts
July 07 2013 22:13 GMT
#647
On July 08 2013 07:06 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 06:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 08 2013 06:53 Xatalos wrote:
geript/rayn, would you be down for an austinmcc lynch? His answers so far haven't really been satisfactory. At the very least I want him under heavier pressure ASAP.

Meapak, what's with you and Dandel Ion? He hasn't really done anything, yeah, and that's concerning. Especially compared to his town play in PTP. Actually he might be an okay lynch, but it'd basically be a shot into the dark (he could reasonably likely be just AFK as town). Not a solid scum lynch by any means.

As austin's scumbuddy in PTP I can't get behind his lynch today. There are just too many differences. He's not as evasive as he was in PTP and he's been a lot more active. I very carefully watched his play in PTP and I just don't see enough similarities here.

Dandel on the other hand is trying to skate in a large game. I recall him being a lot more active and spammy when he's town. He's usually making reads and participating but instead this game I feel like he's trying to see how long he can lurk. This is not town Dandel and I feel that it is a much better lynch than austin.


My brother nuke-target has abandoned me

It's no wonder if austinmcc is more active now, since he was AFK for quite some times in PTP (I think?). Also it's not impossible to act a bit differently otherwise, just to make it harder to read you for example.

Lynching Dandel Ion based on being completely AFK feels... Random, I guess. He might flip scum, he might flip town, but there's no real way to say for good certainty which it's going to be. I agree that his AFK-fest points to scum rather than town, but I also wonder if he would really be so stupid to sacrifice any chance to survive until endgame like this (if he keeps up this level of activity).

Sorry!

We may just have to disagree on this one, I just don't get the scum feel from austin right now.

As for Dandel, his behavior is far from his town behavior and I feel like his afk-ness is a gambit to try and escape the first day without being noticed. It's a large game so I think he rolled the dice on that one.

Unless he comes back with good reads and a compelling reason for being gone I like him for a lynch. By good reads I mean I'm not going to be content with a "hey guys catching up now" post and no follow up.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 07 2013 22:15 GMT
#648
Whatever. You can't lynch Dandel either way.

We are lynching into Chez/NG/WoS/ON/Maju today. That's my preferred order of their scumminess. Chez & NG are like totally scum. I'm off to bed. kthxbye.
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Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6785 Posts
July 07 2013 22:16 GMT
#649
On July 08 2013 07:12 austinmcc wrote:
MZ, he thinks that DI is usually spammy/disruptive/doing whatever in his town games.

To the extent you're arguing that DI began the game with faux-trolliness (which is how I read your take on DI's early posts), he's saying if DI is going to fake his town game, he would also be faking trolly/disruptive posts throughout D1.

As in, "If this were scumDI, putting on a troll show for his natural town predators who would want to lynch not-trolly DI, then why isn't scumDI continuing to be trolly, when it would be so easy?"

I think.

Well if you're right then he's dumb.

I am arguing that Dandel is usually active and yes spammy throughout the whole day. Instead he's been lurky and inactive. I'm not trying to kill him for his early activity, I was fine with that, it's his current lack of activity that has me suspicious.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 07 2013 22:17 GMT
#650
And there is no way he is legitmately busy and town?
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Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6785 Posts
July 07 2013 22:18 GMT
#651
On July 08 2013 07:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Whatever. You can't lynch Dandel either way.

We are lynching into Chez/NG/WoS/ON/Maju today. That's my preferred order of their scumminess. Chez & NG are like totally scum. I'm off to bed. kthxbye.

k chez is not getting lynched, NG would be ok, WoS is not getting lynched, ON is not getting lynched, Maju would be ok.

And yeah, I can lynch Dandel and I will if he doesn't haul his ass in here and start looking protown as fuck.
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austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
July 07 2013 22:24 GMT
#652
MZ, can you be slightly more in-depth on your ON read?
Fe fi fo fum.
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
July 07 2013 22:26 GMT
#653
sigh. Just lost my other game T_T
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
July 07 2013 22:30 GMT
#654
Nobody listen to me ever. I am bads.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 07 2013 22:31 GMT
#655
Hm yeah NG isn't looking good at all either. Not a bad lynch.

Going to sleep now though. geript/rayn, your thoughts on austin btw?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
July 07 2013 22:35 GMT
#656
Ok, just caught up, sorry for being inactive

One of the people I find scummy is Vayne. He voted pretty early based off of one post and after that hasn't done much.
On July 08 2013 05:35 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 05:31 geript wrote:
On July 08 2013 05:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
On July 08 2013 05:26 geript wrote:
I don't think I've ever seen him make sense as either alignment. But I think it was a newbie game and another game or two (as town) where he came off as super arrogant. I don't see that at all here. I also don't see how his conspiracy theories make him town. Normally, I would agree that that type of this tends to be a newbie town tell, but I don't see any real convoluted aspect to them. His thought process is just so intentionally murky to me that I don't like it in addition to the random meta bonus. But eh,

Can we at least both agree that NirvanaMonkey should be lynched if he doesn't do shit other than his one previous post?


I play differently in every single game so meta'ing me with a pretty bad choice. I will agree that the posted you quoted is intentionally scummy, I was trying to bait scum into trying to make some shitty case on it but I don't really think you're scum so it didn't work that well.

Stop wasting your time and my time then. Just scum hunt and make your thought process clear. Who are your top scum targets and why?


Right now im looking at johnny and Caucasian. I already placed my vote/reasoning on johnny if you filter me so now to caucasian...

filler post then the old I'm drunk thing so I can't help town.

When do drunk posts ever turn back town unless it's like BH? It's such a cop out. If you're drunk don't post or at least try harder then that.

If he's town I really have no regrets as he is giving us nothing to work with


That post is the most of his thoughts he's given and all it is is repeating that he suspects Johnny and then making a read on somebody with no meaningful posts.

I feel he voted early to look eager in looking for scum and is trying to use that to go under the radar. To me it seems like little output from about 20 posts.


I agree with the suspicion about Onegu.

On July 08 2013 04:34 Onegu wrote:
Sleeping soon so if there are any questions in the next half hour or so I will be around.

The next thing is on Alakaslam, his activeity level has me feeling scummy. Compared to his last game where he would post about his dinner, add in the fact he watched 2 lurkers make it to endgame.

The chez situation really needs to be explored more, and if he refuses to give answers he needs to be lynched. Just the way he admited he launched it but didnt explain why gives me a really big scum vibe, and he really doesnt add much productivity to the thread either.

##VOTE: Chezinu


Here he says we need answers from Chezinu or Chezinu should be lynched but then votes in the same post. Why not wait and see if there's a reply? I think he might just be trying to start a bandwagon.

On July 08 2013 01:07 Onegu wrote:
Johnny has mostly posted fluff, but so have I (first game as town), but I dont see any lynchable offenses yet.

And here he justifies fluff posting as being new to the game. I don't think that makes sense, regardless of experience, its not hard to take some time between posts to write something constructive instead of just spouting fluff

##Vote: Onegu

Looking at Abenson's filter, it's hard to say much from 2 posts and since both posts are close together he might just be busy, but he really avoided saying anything about anyone.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
July 07 2013 22:56 GMT
#657
Hey Mepak. I am back, I promise not to martyr again if I can help it. I am prone to martyr after last (and only) game. But fair enough and don't forget to watch me, I understand the need for town cred.


Onegu, yes you make a good point. But meta is meta, last game I was an ill- playing blue role, here I am just vanilla, with the added benefit of a little experience. So less worried about getting Lynched, and remembering the words of Hapa.

So I retract my old statements on WoS, I rebuild the alliance, but note that I still ally with Ace.

Reason being is I believe ace to be helping town in a genuine way, rather than in the ways I can see scum doing, and he is still doing better than WoS. Disclaimer, however: I suspect ace is capable of anything, and besides I should be taken with a grain of salt, considering how little I know I this game.

That being said, as Onegu points out I have no excuse to lurk and yet posting unsubstantial fluff is something I have found to be nigh useless, if not detrimental to my fellow town.

Geript, my ally: what thinks ye of Ace? You know far more about this great one than I.

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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
July 07 2013 22:59 GMT
#658
Ebwop:

So, moving on, I retract my old statements on WoS...
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austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
July 07 2013 23:07 GMT
#659
On July 08 2013 07:24 austinmcc wrote:
MZ, can you be slightly more in-depth on your ON read, including, but not limited to, whether you guys still agree on things?
All you said previously was:
On July 08 2013 03:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
OriginalName: This one’s making a lot of sense/agreeing with me on the right things.
Verdict: Probably Town

Fe fi fo fum.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
July 07 2013 23:16 GMT
#660
Hey everybody, just got back from a competition in robotics, game started at a bad timing for me. Catching up on thread ;D
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