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On July 08 2013 09:19 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 09:07 austinmcc wrote:On July 08 2013 09:02 Alakaslam wrote:On July 08 2013 08:48 austinmcc wrote:On July 08 2013 08:41 Alakaslam wrote:
And finally, Mepak_ziph makes a good enough case against Raynpelikoneet that I am down for his lynch today. His case feels a little weak: On July 08 2013 05:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
austin, geript, xata, and anyone else who asked me a question, I'm still here. I was trying to write a case on rayn but I was finally forced to admit that stupidity is not a scumtell and there's really no logical evidence yet that he's scum. I am in no way certain he's town, but right now I can't in good faith write a case on him that would convince me if I was an objective observer. Perhaps in a day things will clear up but for now he's null.
I'm gonna go answer your questions now. Vote is based on the exchanges they had too. However I now conclude that rayn is just bad at defending. He has genuinely contributed pretty good info (just took a stroll through his filter). So even though it looks a little scummy to some types to act wishy washy like this I lift this vote. Which exchanges in particular had you scummy on rayn/what posts pull you back the other way? I don't care oodles and oodles about changed minds, but it helps to actually know where your mind was and is. Well, one is not reading total and complete filters, and seeing that M_Z quoted stuff rayn was saying, I forgot that I was seeing one side mostly. Reading rayn's filter absolved that. I know it is simplistic and bad but it is true. This game is a normal sized game, so there are a lot of filters to see but a lot of them are empty. So no info. Then those filters that do have something already have 4-6 pages! So I tried to get an idea quick but really I should just be working. Keep up the questions, I want to be guided on what to look for. I will still look or stuff on my own of course. Also: everything TL I do from my iPhone except in very rare cases. A lot of times I try to put "of". For whatever reason it has been correcting this to "I". So anywhere that of would make more sense than I you are probably right. Hmmmm. I guess what I'm asking is...you say that your vote is based upon MZ/rayn exchanges, that rayn has contributed good info, and that reading rayn's filter made you townier on him.
Which tells us what you think about rayn, to some extent. But ... I need you to go a level deeper. Is there a particular rayn/MZ exchange, set of posts, something, that gave you a scummy vibe on rayn? A specific topic where rayn's thoughts were scummy to you? What's the single best piece of info rayn has contributed? Is there a particular post or two in rayn's filter that made you townie on him?
It would really help if you dive a level deeper on your comments about rayn, because it's difficult to see where your posts are coming from if you stay at the "reading rayn's filter absolved that" level.
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On July 08 2013 06:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 06:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also whoever had a townread on Ace, explain. I don't see anything alignment indicative from him. Anybody who's ever played with Ace will give him a town read right now.
I also agree that I am town. Will probably change my stance later.
On July 08 2013 06:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 06:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Austin: Are you seriously saying that is a good reason to nuke Xata? Like, why?
MZ: So Ace is supposedly a good scumplayer. And you are saying he is really easy to figure out as town when he is town. How the fuck does that make sense?
On Dandel: We are not lynching Dandel. He is most likely town. If Ace was active and contributing and playing like most people consider "town" I'd be more suspicious of him because one of his strengths is appearing town. Right now he doesn't give a fuck and that's town Ace. If he suddenly came blasting in here and accusing people and making cases and shit that wouldn't instantly make him scum but it'd make me second guess the town play. You apparently had an off game with him, it's rather difficult for me to explain this concept to someone who's never seen it. There's a PYP game where Ace plays his typical scum game and incognito nails him on it, I don't remember exactly the name of the game but that would neatly illustrate my point. Anyway we are lynching Dandel today, I just decided.
It's not that I don't give a fuck. I've been quiet my past few games due to activity issues. I also generally hold my opinions close to the vest.
@MZ: I also don't see a reason for Chez to be passed over for lynching. He has given no explanation for his nuke on Xata at all.
On July 08 2013 09:06 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 09:02 johnnywup wrote:On July 08 2013 08:59 Z-BosoN wrote:Why is no one saying hi to me?  I thought you were catching up on the thread? Don't you think that's more important than being greeted? What are your opinions on everything going on? Who's scum? You are scum, Ace is scum... we'll get to that later.
Sure.
@JW:
TanGeng - He also hops on my bandwagon with no reasons why, at a good time for scum. He also hasn't been scumhunting...like at all. He's just saying that other people have been doing scumhunting and he agrees. No real reads out of him. Feeling scum.
3/10
I've got a similar feeling about him (with the exception to the "he hasn't been scumhunting part") , however I do think he could just not be active and following thread sentiment. Right now I'm thinking him or Abenson are good targets for lynch. Abenson is a hardcore lurker though. It also doesn't make much sense to lynch either of them until we get word from Chezinu. I also don't think a WoS lynch makes much sense at the moment.
On July 08 2013 09:15 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 09:02 Ace wrote:[ On July 08 2013 01:04 OriginalName wrote:On July 08 2013 00:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
Kanopy how many scum do you think have jumped aboard the Whoops Wagon thus far? Regardless of alignment at least one is probably on there at the moment I'm almost sure its one of the people who just jumped on there and left that are a part of it. I'm leaving my vote on there for now because the more pressure on whup the more defence we get and it is getting somewhat more coherent. In all likelyhood I'm going to move off him later this afternoon unless he really fucks up. If we are going to push an alt lynch we should probably jump on one of those lurkers. Chezinu is a stupid D1 lynch atm in my opinion. This is for a variety of factors, how those nukes flip are likely going to be much better indicators then what we have to work with for now, I am completely alright with a day 2 chez lynch if it turns out to be a more valid idea. I'm completely alright with shifting pressure votes onto some lurkers maybe shift over to Z-Boson and see if he actually does anything. Explain the reasons why a Chezinu lynch is stupid (it may not be optimal, but stupid it isn't). Are you only going to support his lynch if Xatalos dies and flips Town? After the nuke was fired Chezinu disappeared and offered no explanation. If that nuke is real based on the mod's post then he knew what he was doing. I was leaning sub-optimal but at the time I thought there was a more powerful option in JW. As such I was trying to lead the thread towards more disscussion on that, calling Chezinu a stupid lynch was more to avoid too many tangents going at the same time and people getting distracted, I'm almost sure that Chezinu showing up to actually answer something is wishful thinking at this point, along with that he seems to imply that his nuke will implode midair and prehaps used it either a) cause a new topic of disscussion (perhaps trying to provoke a reaction out of Xatalos and others) or b) utter chaos. While in my opinion explanation A) is not nessicarily a scum move B) definitly would be. I just basically threw my hands up in the air and decided that we could probably find another target and leave Chez alone till we had more info. I tried to move towards diffusing the chaos from the nuke and move towards more leads as opposed to just tunneling Chez straight up and policy lynching him while town pats themselves on the back for the rest of the day on a job well done and getting minimal information while we sit waiting for flips. I would absolutely support the lynch of Chezinu if Xatalos dies and flips town. I was more concerned with the Chezinu lynch in that there had to be a reason for it and i just feel that outing himself like that seems horrifically out of character for him. Chezinu is absolutely insane but he is not a complete idiot at the same time.
Ok got it. You were just trying to make the lynch stay focused towards the JW stuff. Where did he imply his nuke would implode in midair, I probably missed that. Also we aren't going to policy lynch Chez for the nuke itself. It's more his disappearance with no explanation after firing it.
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On July 08 2013 09:02 VayneAuthority wrote:
If anyone gets cold feet on this shit let it be known that I am down for a Caucasian or dandel lynch as well, after reading up on the recent back and forth this is kinda textbook dandel scum from playing scum with him
Have you dropped jonnywup or do you still think his query was lynchworthy?
Your filter isn't so great. (Feel free to inform me if mine sux) And please, you may think you have, but really elaborate on Caucasian. Not saying I particularly like his posting in here but you seem super lynch happy and I agree with the fire I have received for doing the same. So please, better cases, longer posts.
K thanks.
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On July 08 2013 09:18 Z-BosoN wrote:
austinmcc , you have neither said hi to me nor have you called me scum. This goes against your "hurray" townie attitude I am accustomed with, and sets a mild taste taciturn and shady mood, tempered with a bit of shadyness and prejudice, when I think of you.
Has time withered your love for me away? Or are there.... "other" reasons... ?
RAWR. I AM THE MILD TASTE TACITURN.
Welcome to thread. Maybe I'll get to call you scum later. For now, when you finish reading through things and give some general thoughts, please give OriginalName a read in particular, and let me know what flavor his filter would be if all our filters were Jell-O Instant Pudding
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@Ace
What do you think of the Dandel Ion and his complete utter Disappearance?
Is it possible its some crazy cost for a power?
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On July 07 2013 11:09 Chezinu wrote:I think this is a cool video. http://www.wimp.com/unmannedrocket/I cannot confirm nor deny anything about my nukes. I am following the rules rest assured.
This was the post about possible nuke implosion for those who missed it
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On July 08 2013 09:33 OriginalName wrote:
@Ace
What do you think of the Dandel Ion and his complete utter Disappearance?
Is it possible its some crazy cost for a power?
No. Highly doubt he has some kind of post restriction for possible gain. That would make him a target and be screwed up as either alignment. I just view him as a lurker, although willfully lurking isn't a scum tell - not popping in to comment on anything is a bad look. If he continues to be inactive he should be catching more heat soon.
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On July 08 2013 09:34 OriginalName wrote:This was the post about possible nuke implosion for those who missed it
He could just easily tell us it would implode? I know Chezinu is a troll but he could just give us one concrete answer.
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He hinted that something might be wonky with it when I posted that we didn't know the setup. Still nothing concrete or definite, but we should see what happens with the nukes.
I'm still hoping this game has medic nukes and DT nukes and whatnot.
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@Adam:
Pages 1 and two of M_Z's filter. Rayn struck me as foolish and M_Z was pointing out things rayn was saying. Rayn wanted to lynch Chezinu really badly which I'm not ready to do.
When M_Z was talking about me it was a learning experience, so I posted real quick. Not realizing, of course, that M_Z dropped rayn in the same post XD
It was in that vein.
Specific posts are:
On July 07 2013 09:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 09:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
SOMEONE NUKE CHEZINU ASAP! HE IS NUKING TOWN! ANTI-NUKE! WHATEVER!
plz This is horrible. I'm starting to think you really are scum lol
On July 07 2013 09:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 09:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i do not have a nuke. I tell that now. SOMEONE NUKE CHEZINU!
Anyone who is town and has a nuke, nuke Chezinu-. Nobody listen to this. This is what loses town high kp games. People need to sit back and chill the fuck out. Xat is most likely dead, now lets not do anything rash.
See I agree with M_Z. Directing town KP is like directing blue roles. A no-no. M_Z is pointing this out, but he could do that as scum too I realized later (very recently).
In rayn's filter:
On July 07 2013 18:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 16:58 geript wrote:On July 07 2013 09:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
- If gumshoe was mafia and you town - why would gumshoe tell you, a town player, how to meta-read him better as he has claimed he is always a "wild card" who is unreadable?
- If gumshoe is town and you town - makes sense, you don't waste time on him if you believe him, and he is telling the truth
- If you are both mafia - why say that in thread? actually why would either of you enter that discussion (pointless) in thread? Here's my problem with this line of reasoning. Because meta is essentially worthless except for forming accusations or putting the icing on a nice big case, I don't think that talking about how to 'appropriately' determine someone's meta is pro-town or pro-scum. Scum can use it as a distration; town can use it to better give information and help solidify towniness. But it's not a way to get a town read imo. Right now, I would be down for the following lynches. I will explain more about why tomorrow after d&d WaveofShadow Onegu Vayne austin caucasainasian It's not in itself, but if someone (in this case Xatalos, who is likely to be town) says he can meta read gumshoe and is wrong about it (as gumshoe thinks), why would you correct that statement of Xatalos'? If you were mafia and Xatalos is town, why would you not let Xata have his wrong line of thinking that makes you look town to him if you know your scum meta is in fact different? What's the point of correcting him and possibly give him a reason to think you are mafia later on when you don't have to do that? That is my reasoning. Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 10:19 austinmcc wrote:On July 07 2013 09:56 austinmcc wrote:
The post-chez stuff is shitting up the thread but doing so in a very obvious and very...wrong way. If he's scum and just trying to get chez nuked, that seems silly AND is going to put a target on his head if chez were town (OMG CHEZ NUKED TOWN, NUKE CHEZ, OMG CHEZ WAS TOWN....NUKE ME?).
Therefore, I don't want to lynch him right now. Does this make sense, MZ? If he were scum, he's either trying to sac chez for credit or he's trying to get someone to nuke town chez for nuking town xat. (Or both are scum and then rayn wouldn't be doing this probs, because he'd look bad/odd when xat flipped) What, specifically, are you seeing in terms of him going from defensive --> shitting, and why does it give you a scumread? This is a good question and i want it answered too. Because i have not been defensive and i have not been shitting the thread. About Chezinu and his nuke: If Chezinu is town: - Nuke is real: Why would you nuke a player who is most likely town? If you think he is mafia, why would you not give reasons for your nuke? - Nuke is a dud or smth: Why would you nuke a player who is most likely town? Best case scenario is that nothing happens at the deadline, worst case scenario is town uses anti-nuke or something to stop the nuke, Chezinu get's lynched. Chezinu is crazy, but he is not stupid. Therefore i do not see a reason for him to nuke a player i see most likely to be town at this point. This also is Chezinu's nuke. If mafia used Chez's post as a cover to launch a silent nuke, he would have said that's the case already. If Chezinu is mafia: - Nuke is real and Chezinu launched it: Makes people go "no you can't be mafia for nuking at this point" like you all are. Townie dies. Profit! - Nuke is real and Chezinu's scumbuddy launched it: What i said before, but even better. If you get lynched for it, you don't lose the guy who is nuking. Double profit! - Nuke is a dud or smth: Make town to possibly waste anti-nuke or something to stop the "nuke". There are a lot of upsides in launching a nuke at this point for mafia. If Xatalos is mafia, launcing a dud nuke on your scumbuddy is brilliant. Regardless of Xatalos' affiliation you confuse the thread. There is zero benefit launching a nuke as town, even if you believed that Xatalos is mafia, all you can do is possibly fuck up town's play and sidetrack us to talk about something that is not relevant at all. Unless Chezinu outs his reasoning for nuking Xatalos, i'm keeping my vote on him. And no, insanity is not a reason. If Chezinu was Drazerk i could buy that, but he is not. He is a smart guy who is in some twisted way good at this shit. If someone disagrees with me, tell me where i am wrong.
This was pretty good justification for the Chezinu "tunnel", so suspicion promptly dropped.
Hope this helps.
Moar Komin'
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Ebwops Austin is not Adam 0.0
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On July 08 2013 09:21 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 09:18 Z-BosoN wrote:
austinmcc , you have neither said hi to me nor have you called me scum. This goes against your "hurray" townie attitude I am accustomed with, and sets a mild taste taciturn and shady mood, tempered with a bit of shadyness and prejudice, when I think of you.
Has time withered your love for me away? Or are there.... "other" reasons... ?
HEY YOU. QUALITY OR LYNCH. THIS IS WWIII! NO MORE FLUFF.
There you are. You see, while I was reading thread, I set up some devices to, you know, interact with all the peoples. According to my calculations, the odds of the person that quotes the post above of being scum are 17% higher than before said activity. I have set my eyes on you, good sir.
Have a gander:
On July 08 2013 09:02 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 08:48 austinmcc wrote:On July 08 2013 08:41 Alakaslam wrote:
And finally, Mepak_ziph makes a good enough case against Raynpelikoneet that I am down for his lynch today. His case feels a little weak: On July 08 2013 05:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
austin, geript, xata, and anyone else who asked me a question, I'm still here. I was trying to write a case on rayn but I was finally forced to admit that stupidity is not a scumtell and there's really no logical evidence yet that he's scum. I am in no way certain he's town, but right now I can't in good faith write a case on him that would convince me if I was an objective observer. Perhaps in a day things will clear up but for now he's null.
I'm gonna go answer your questions now. Vote is based on the exchanges they had too. However I now conclude that rayn is just bad at defending. He has genuinely contributed pretty good info (just took a stroll through his filter). So even though it looks a little scummy to some types to act wishy washy like this I lift this vote.
Please, could you link to me a few posts in which you deem "pretty good info"? This will help me out quite a bit. Thank you.
My dearest Ace, in a field of anger and malevolence towards our dear friend rayne, you very clearly soft-defended him. I see this here:
On July 07 2013 08:28 Ace wrote:
This feels very familiar. Didn't rayne get lynched because people jumped the gun on him in Carnival Cruise?
It seems that at the moment of this post, rayne was a very popular (and easy) target. I'm pretty sure there were scum and town alike pummeling him, regardless of his alignment. Yet you soft defended him, and have generally been friendly towards him. I would like a 5-sentence description of him. If you would be kind enough, please highlight what alignment you feel he is as you write this, to aid in my studies.
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sup biddies I'm back, anything going on?
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Two posts above yours, and his activity asking questions. But mostly, two posts above yours.
Was good enough for me. Glad your activity is spiking.
No comment on your 17% bs, reading this game you should know there is 10x more fluff than is desirable. I am watching you too, and I'll say it for you: OMGIS!!!
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rayne comes from the sky
Rain, Rain, Rain, come again and again,
In the winter, in the summer and in spring,
Come with joy, fall with happiness and go with sorrow,
Rain, Rain, Rain come again and again.
also dont think he is scummy.
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On July 08 2013 09:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
sup biddies I'm back, anything going on?
Yeah, I've been talkin bout you.
But I have to go didnt realize it was almost 6, I'm late and have to drive a d won't be able to use phone. Should be back couple hrs.
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On July 08 2013 09:58 Ace wrote:
rayne comes from the sky
Rain, Rain, Rain, come again and again,
In the winter, in the summer and in spring,
Come with joy, fall with happiness and go with sorrow,
Rain, Rain, Rain come again and again.
also dont think he is scummy. The never-wrong poemhunter.com says this checks out.
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MZ whose smurf do you think NG is?
The fact that he brought up the stupid Venn diagram makes me want to say BH but it would be too simple. He says he has a knowledge of my scumgame so someone in Les Mafia for sure.
I'm thinking DP/iamp/BH/Prom. Either way I want to see more from him because I'd like a better read. You and I appear to have similar thinking this game so I'd like to see if he really IS a good lynch today.
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On July 08 2013 09:29 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 09:02 VayneAuthority wrote:
If anyone gets cold feet on this shit let it be known that I am down for a Caucasian or dandel lynch as well, after reading up on the recent back and forth this is kinda textbook dandel scum from playing scum with him Have you dropped jonnywup or do you still think his query was lynchworthy? Your filter isn't so great. (Feel free to inform me if mine sux) And please, you may think you have, but really elaborate on Caucasian. Not saying I particularly like his posting in here but you seem super lynch happy and I agree with the fire I have received for doing the same. So please, better cases, longer posts. K thanks.
nope I'm good with the lynch I just see a lot of people getting cold feet on it so I gave some alternatives I'd agree with so my vote isn't wasted.
I don't tend to write long posts/cases until the game is much more developed so I am not going to be something I am not, sorry.
There's nothing to elaborate on Caucasian, his filter is 2 posts. The thing is his 2 posts were both pretty large scum traits in my opinion so I am fine with lynching him already.
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On July 08 2013 10:10 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 09:29 Alakaslam wrote:On July 08 2013 09:02 VayneAuthority wrote:
If anyone gets cold feet on this shit let it be known that I am down for a Caucasian or dandel lynch as well, after reading up on the recent back and forth this is kinda textbook dandel scum from playing scum with him Have you dropped jonnywup or do you still think his query was lynchworthy? Your filter isn't so great. (Feel free to inform me if mine sux) And please, you may think you have, but really elaborate on Caucasian. Not saying I particularly like his posting in here but you seem super lynch happy and I agree with the fire I have received for doing the same. So please, better cases, longer posts. K thanks. nope I'm good with the lynch I just see a lot of people getting cold feet on it so I gave some alternatives I'd agree with so my vote isn't wasted. I don't tend to write long posts/cases until the game is much more developed so I am not going to be something I am not, sorry. There's nothing to elaborate on Caucasian, his filter is 2 posts. The thing is his 2 posts were both pretty large scum traits in my opinion so I am fine with lynching him already.
What about them specifically? I don't see how you think it's enough to elaborate that you think it's not just a lurker lynch and then provide no reasoning.
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