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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On July 08 2013 10:15 WaveofShadow wrote: What about them specifically? I don't see how you think it's enough to elaborate that you think it's not just a lurker lynch and then provide no reasoning. it's already in my filter a couple posts back | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
I've drunk posted before....I actually forget which game it was. Was it Les? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
So did BH. Why is Caucasian's drunkpost different? | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6785 Posts
On July 08 2013 10:02 WaveofShadow wrote: MZ whose smurf do you think NG is? The fact that he brought up the stupid Venn diagram makes me want to say BH but it would be too simple. He says he has a knowledge of my scumgame so someone in Les Mafia for sure. I'm thinking DP/iamp/BH/Prom. Either way I want to see more from him because I'd like a better read. You and I appear to have similar thinking this game so I'd like to see if he really IS a good lynch today. Well honestly all of the people you mentioned are people who started playing as I began to go afk like a year and a half ago so I'm really not familiar with each of their meta for to make a call. I've had at most maybe 2 games with those players so you're in a better position to make a call. That said I expect a very high level of play out of smurfs because they consider themselves so good they need a fake name in order to not get shot as town. In my big list I have NG as null because I hadn't seen enough of him to really make a call. I haven't been paying too much attention to him and I'd rather lynch Dandel but is there anything really damning I missed about NG? | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On July 08 2013 10:16 WaveofShadow wrote: Like...I SORT of get it I guess (I just found where you called his posts filler and the old drunk post) but what is inherently scummy about that? For me it's always been something scummy, there's no reason to come into the thread and make that post unless you are a. stalling for time or B. looking for a way to cop out on giving any input. If he comes back and blows me away with analysis then I can easily change my read. For now it's just an irritating scum tactic. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On July 08 2013 10:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Sorry for triplepost. It couldn't have been Les, so I drunkposted as town. So did BH. Why is Caucasian's drunkpost different? Because it wasn't just one post. BH and you came in and rambled to shit which is a lot different then being able to control yourself to only making 1 post and to explicitly say you are drunk and useless. do you see the difference there? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On July 08 2013 05:43 Nirvana.Gabo wrote: When you played your first (town) game with chez you knew or found out right away what kind of player he was, and didn't waste your time on him. I was the same way. Any town player who sees someone acting so clearly insane and anti-town tries to look for an explanation, besides just "he is scum" because as a town player you don't trust anything or anyone. You don't trust the obvious. You see someone acting like Chez and you don't think "ah, this veteran is obvious scum" because that's not how you think. No, you see him acting that way and you ask "why", and not just rhetorically. You ask the thread. You find out he's insane. And you act on it. That's not what Onegu has done here. This is a reference to LX in which Geript was town, I was town, and Chez was scum (and dayvigged someone much in the same way he nuked here. He put more effort into trying to appear like a town dayvig though in that game but it's still eerily similar). This means it's either Prom or BH who of my above list were in both of those games. I'd lean towards Prom as Prom relies heavily on meta which is how he analyzed me (I would argue somewhat incorrectly) thus far. If it's Prom (or hell, any 'veteran') they would know better than to think Onegu would have a good idea of how to regard to Chezinu at this stage in their mafia careers, as Chez is one of the most enigmatic players out there. I was told to ignore grush in that very same game and yet I didn't ALL game, and have seen other newbies do the same. Why does he expect a newbie like Onegu to ignore Chez's scummy actions?? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On July 08 2013 10:23 Ace wrote: I dont think it really matters if NG is a smurf anyway. Could be someone who has lurked and read a lot of games like Alakaslam. Compare how NG writes to Alakaslam. NG has initmate knowledge of playstyles and games, Alakaslam (no offense) reads the games and tries to look like a vet by trying to get in on in-jokes and name-dropping. No comparison. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On July 08 2013 10:21 VayneAuthority wrote: Because it wasn't just one post. BH and you came in and rambled to shit which is a lot different then being able to control yourself to only making 1 post and to explicitly say you are drunk and useless. do you see the difference there? I do. Interesting point. I don't think that was the game where I drunkposted btw though, because I know exactly the time I got drunk last and Les hadn't started then; your point still stands however. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6785 Posts
On July 08 2013 10:27 WaveofShadow wrote: Compare how NG writes to Alakaslam. NG has initmate knowledge of playstyles and games, Alakaslam (no offense) reads the games and tries to look like a vet by trying to get in on in-jokes and name-dropping. No comparison. Oh damn this is a phenomenal point right here. It's the little things sometimes. | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
On July 08 2013 08:47 johnnywup wrote: Okay I've been semi-following the thread since earlier today but on my phone so I just recently caught up. Still not liking WoS from what I've seen. I'm going to do the MZ likely/unlikely scum thing with my reasons. It will be 1-10, with 10 being town and 1 being scum + Show Spoiler + Meapak_Ziphh - Mostly level headed, scum hunts, but his current wanting to lynch Dandel is somewhat iffy for me. I mean, I think Dandel is more scummy than most of the other inactives...but there are other actives to look at :\ I wouldn't completely oppose it though. Anyways, 6.5/10 Ace - He hasn't really done much. When I used to play mafia he was one of the more active players I seem to remember (I only played with him town I believe, I don't think I was ever scum) but this game is... nothing. I think this probably indicates just lack of interest or something rather than being scum, but I can't be sure. Can't really read anything with him, but definitely want him to be somewhat more active. 5/10 MajuGarzett - Was going to put him in "Needs to post-tier" but he recently made a large post so I'll touch on him briefly. His arguments aren't really stirring my interest. I've got a town read on Vayne. And his argument on Onegu just isn't there for me. If Onegu was scum, it seems more likely that he would wait for a reply to see if it's something people agree with. His arguments aren't very strong for me so: 4/10 Onegu - I really don't have much an opinion on Onegu. He hasn't posted anything of substance really, but he hasn't tripped any scum wires with me either. I'd like him to more actively hunt scum (and give opinions on people other than Chez) 4.5 Geript - Actively posting thoughts and reads, pushing people for answers, etc. One of the most townie people in thread IMO. 7.5/10 VayneAuthority - He leaves much to be desired for sure but he seems genuine and unafraid. I'd prefer he'd be more active but he seems townie enough. 5.5/10 StrongandBig - read his filter... 3/10 Gumshoe - He seems sort of nooby and hasn't been doing much. I don't really like his way of playing currently, but he definitely looks more nooby than scummy atm. Not sure though, he could really be either. 5/10 OriginalName - His hopping on the bandwagon for me seems to come at a perfect time for scum, I think. Additionally, he goes from voting for me to saying he'll probably hop off, all in under an hour. He just seems to be agreeing with people and not putting any additional thoughts out there...scummy as hell. 3/10 TanGeng - He also hops on my bandwagon with no reasons why, at a good time for scum. He also hasn't been scumhunting...like at all. He's just saying that other people have been doing scumhunting and he agrees. No real reads out of him. Feeling scum. 3/10 Xatalos - Hope I don't have to explain, but he's like really townie. 9/10 Alakaslam - Active as fuck pregame, less active during the game but okay. His "martyring" was a little strange but I don't really think anything of it. He needs to post more of his thoughts though. He really has been just sliding by without saying much, which seems scummy but eh I dunno. Seems more scummy than towny. 4/10 WaveofShadow - Active as fuck when tunneling me but goes a lot more inactive when the bandwagon starts to fall off. Then he discards his bandwagon as "eh, he's probably town, whatever". Since then, he hasn't done much, hiding under the shadows sharing no opinions...But I have to admit that there are probably better options. 4/10 raynpelikoneet - active, a little iffy here and there, but mostly a town read from him. definitely not a good lynch target. 6/10 Nirvana.Gabo - Not liking him one bit. He votes Onegu because he doesn't like his read. Nirvana says Chezinu is a crazy guy like its common knowledge and that by even suggesting that Chezinu is scum that Onegu must be scum. So, yeah, Nirvana's looking pretty scummy for me. 3.5/10 FirmTofu - seems like he should have his "mega post" out by now, but I won't say that's scummy. He hasn't been very active but looks to be more active now, so I'll reserve my judgement on him... 5/10 Chezinu - I have no fucking idea I have no fucking idea austinmcc - seems to be chasing nothing. I'd like him to be more active -- not in posting -- but in actually giving thought out opinions on people. He's leaning scum on me because he really hasn't contributed much... 4.5/10 Needs to post-tier (null unless bold which is at least somewhat more scummy than the other inactives) - Dandel Ion, Ghost_403, Oatsmaster, Stutters695, Z-BosoN, Abenson, CaucasianAsian, jampidampi, Wow, going through filters is depressing. It shows how many people don't post at all ffs  How many scum do you have on your list? Seems like nearly everyone is nearly that 50/50. Are there 10 scum among our midst or are your scales somewhat "different?" Meanwhile just about everyone that is on the strong side of your spectrum has "hopped on your bandwagon" or thinks you're somewhat scummy. In my opinion, you're still a better than average bet (20%) for scum. In fact I feel that you'd have 40% to flip red. A "bad town player" might just as likely be giving a consistently bad scum performance, and I'd still be voting you if I didn't think that we have better targets. I'm going to vote now because I want some answers from the player that is biggest fool in the game right now. ##Vote Chezinu | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On July 08 2013 10:34 johnnywup wrote: Whether or not he's a smurf is irrelevant. Focus on actions, not meta. Don't try to figure out who it is because that's a waste of effort that could be used to hunt scum. Then ignore the point I'm making about who he is specifically. It is obvious he is a smurf of some mafia veteran, or at least veteran enough to know of the games Geript and I have played in. I would think someone like him would know better than to expect that level of analysis (or the ability to 'ignore' the blatancy of Chez's scummy-seeming crazniess) from Onegu. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On July 08 2013 10:36 WaveofShadow wrote: Then ignore the point I'm making about who he is specifically. It is obvious he is a smurf of some mafia veteran, or at least veteran enough to know of the games Geript and I have played in. I would think someone like him would know better than to expect that level of analysis (or the ability to 'ignore' the blatancy of Chez's scummy-seeming crazniess) from Onegu. Ok let me try break this down from your pov: NG has intimate knowledge of people's playstyles. More than just reading games but actually playing with us - he's a legit smurf. He expected Onegu to be able to read Chez as a troll. When Onegu fails to do so NG votes him. NG also gives an explanation as to why he thinks Onegu's thinking isn't town motivated based on geript's play in another game. This is where you think he is a smurf account. Right now is this the way it went? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On July 08 2013 10:59 Ace wrote: Ok let me try break this down from your pov: NG has intimate knowledge of people's playstyles. More than just reading games but actually playing with us - he's a legit smurf. He expected Onegu to be able to read Chez as a troll. When Onegu fails to do so NG votes him. NG also gives an explanation as to why he thinks Onegu's thinking isn't town motivated based on geript's play in another game. This is where you think he is a smurf account. Right now is this the way it went? Are you about to drop some sort of Ace bomb on me? | ||
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Ace
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