EPTso lynch GK GM?
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
so lynch GK GM? | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
Your assessment of Vayne isn't entirely unreasonable, but the aggressive fashion in which you did it feels off to me. Also if this was what you were thinking, why didn't it come up much sooner? On June 13 2013 08:04 Stutters695 wrote: I was thinking at the hallway point of the day but given how little interaction he's had period a flip of either type really wouldn't guarantee any info. It also lets us plan around worst case scenario (3 scum team) and a mislynch today+nk+vig shot would knock us down to six total which would be endgame. I think we can hit scum today but I'd rather plan around the worst case, especially since GK is so coinflippy. Stutters, would you mind briefly explaining how as town you would propose I get vigie'd if it indeed is true that we'd be at endgame tomorrow in your above scenario? You mention me to be coinflippy, yet were anxious earlier to vig me anyway... This doesn't make much sense to me if indeed the situation is as dire as you describe it. Finally, Shao was your top scumread, but that was quite a while ago. Is he still your top scumread now? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
WHY. so sad  . | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 13 2013 12:44 Oatsmaster wrote: dont lie to yourself. It only makes things worse. so lynch GK GM? You know very well that is not happening. Especially now that he's started playing the game. Which...ONCE AGAIN, is more than I can say for BH. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
On June 13 2013 12:56 GravityMan wrote: You know very well that is not happening. Especially now that he's started playing the game. Which...ONCE AGAIN, is more than I can say for BH. What. You call that playing the game? Seriously what makes GK town. Tell me. | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On June 13 2013 12:47 goodkarma wrote: @Stutters: Your assessment of Vayne isn't entirely unreasonable, but the aggressive fashion in which you did it feels off to me. Also if this was what you were thinking, why didn't it come up much sooner? Stutters, would you mind briefly explaining how as town you would propose I get vigie'd if it indeed is true that we'd be at endgame tomorrow in your above scenario? You mention me to be coinflippy, yet were anxious earlier to vig me anyway... This doesn't make much sense to me if indeed the situation is as dire as you describe it. Finally, Shao was your top scumread, but that was quite a while ago. Is he still your top scumread now? By paragraph Because before he was mayor there wasn't anything he could do that would objectively hurt. Threatening to vig anyone for any reason except a solid scumread is retarded and incredibly anti-town and worst case could cost us the game if he actually shoots. It's simply I felt his vig threats were causing were significantly more danger to town than the possible derailing of discussion by calling him out on it. This is why I wanted you to be viged after the flip. If it's town we re-evaluate our options and determine if it's an acceptable risk or abstain. If we hit scum then a vig on you (considering you were borderline worthless to that point ) really wouldn't have hurt us since we had to deal with you at some point. I'm honestly not sure on him anymore, I need to brood on it some. A big portion of my case was how he handled jampis lynch, but because I was doing it over filters I didn't realize that he had voted minutes to the lynch. I'm still leaning scum on him but I'm not comfortable pushing it without looking into it more after I'm off work. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On June 13 2013 10:35 Oatsmaster wrote: KK. What do you think of GK? earlier you asked Ok. GK lives in the pool of lynchbait targets, so I am not real keen to fan sentiment and make things easy. (people should have to make up their own minds) I was interested to see the reasons given on the question I asked or what else GK chooses to do instead as well. The decisions made will be what tells. I thought there was little more to what happened on D1 regarding the voting than GK has found. You don't like the first post, I don't know for sure why, (maybe I do) but i think its something i don't know about replacements and how they initially post, I imagine that has something to with being shy to talk about everyone. I dont know how hard the various wines are to drink. I don't like posts that start: "Catching up with the thread now." | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
On June 13 2013 12:50 Oatsmaster wrote: WHY ARE YOU NOT TALKING TO ME GK. WHY. so sad . Some of your posts have my head hurting... Like this one: On June 13 2013 12:34 Oatsmaster wrote: You think hes town too, your vote is a pressure vote. Whatever. People do shit that may not help town win the game, but they are town. I mean like grush and stuff. BH can help us win, he isnt choosing to do so either cause he has pms, or is scum. Going for the first option at the moment. The thing is scum even moreso do shit all the time to not help town... And then you go onto say that he either has pms or is scum... Like I don't think BH is physically capable of having PMS, so he must be scum? Seriously though, you keep insisting he's town while providing no justification. And when I provide both meta and non-meta reasons why BH is likely scum, you choose to: 1) Ignore anything I say that is non-meta 2) Say you're too lazy to look into The Game to see similarities to his play here... So really we don't have anything to discuss until you pull your head our of your arse and consider the merits of what I've said, so don't act so sad about it... | ||
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Stutters695
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
Since I caught up to BH having yet another shitfest with Oats and nothing else I really don't see the point in holding off any longer. ##Vote:Blazinghand @Sylencia: I know from the past that you are lynchbait-material (you even admit it yourself), but can you please step up activity? Can you share some updated reads? From your last posts I gather that you think it probable that I am scum and if not you are advocating lynches on GK+stutters? The advice to do more also goes out to GK, I know you replaced in and so on, but do something please... Regarding Stutters, I am putting him off my scumlist for now, liked the way he posted recently and he is much more useful and making sense than many in here. @Oats: How certain are you on your townread on BH? I am fully aware that his stupid behavior is not alignmentindicative on its own, but he has done exactly nothing but flinging dirt around. Tried more than once to get him to play this seriously and I catch up to him doing again a grand total of zero while just rambling around with you again. It is fucking ridiculous how anti-town his behavior is. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
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Sylencia
Australia1057 Posts
On June 13 2013 09:07 goodkarma wrote: Catching up with the thread now. The first thing I'd like to address is this Syl post: First of all, the entire point of mentioning a good vigishot for Vayne is we should be treating this cycle like a doublelynch, as Hapa originally suggested. Even if Vayne opts to wait until the night to shoot, by discussing this now we have that much more information to go on in later cycles. For that reason, everyone should be doing this. So you can't be bothered to review the latest posting of your top scumread, and you fall back on proposing a lurker scumteam if your top read convinces you he's town??? Explain to me how that isn't scum-motivated behavior? Further, I provided a read on Grav in the post you're referencing, so it's clear you aren't reading the thread very closely. This is the kind of disinterest I'd expect from scum. I still believe you'd be a good vigi shot. The fact I can actually rely on something which I believed to have been true from the night before shows the actual lack of contribution that you had brought to the table to this point. If I say you're scummy during N1, and you do nothing to change that view in D2, you're saying it's scum oriented for me to say I still think you're scum? Also yes, turns out I ended up thinking you did an analysis on GK which is yourself (it made perfect sense at the time somehow -_-). In any case: - Axle: How has this guy been able to fly under the radar this entire game? As far as I've read there's been very little suspicious cast on him, he's been questioned about his reads in which he's tip toed around the problem: On June 13 2013 08:23 AxleGreaser wrote: There is the obvious list, of people who have not contributed much. There is the obvious list of turning Hapas list upside down and saying that. One thing i dont want to do is get all in a low post count townies face, and shut them down. So I wont be doing that. The least clear intention I have is you. I see what "looks" like a tendency to Lynch BH for being BH. I see posts that could well inflame him and make his ego come to the fore as town or scum. This could have been their intention, or not. It alludes to him suspecting GM (pretty much confirmed to be saying he suspects GM next post), but he doesn't push it at all. He said he doesn't want to shut a lurker down, but GM is far from a lurker, so why wouldn't he push a case there? If there's someone in this game who is a prime example of being neutral on pretty much everything, it's Axle. BH has been doing a lot of talking without a lot of pushing, but I'm pretty sure that Axle is a better option over BH. After a slow first half of Day 1, I think if BH was scum he'd easily adapt into a less active role in the game. He brings up points I don't think anyone else would be doing otherwise (possible VA fakeclaim etc.) and just by doing that I feel it's enough to justify keeping him around for longer. Without BH this town will be a dead town, with little to no deviation in thoughts. GK I'm still willing to put my vote on him, idk how slow a start can be, but even his vote on BH didn't have any substance to it. | ||
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Sylencia
Australia1057 Posts
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
I am here now, care to comment on Stutters and me? I will filterdive axle then | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
Here is mine ##Vote GravityMan toLynch The case is not that hard but there are potentially lots of details. The case on blazing hand is wrong and weak, and making a bad case is not scum indicative. What is scum indicative is trying, to manufacture one, by provoking the responses that you need in advance of having the read. GM has been trying to provoke BH for rather a long time. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18859699 read this post and decide if you think that was provocative. GM describes the purpose of that as http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18875432 "For the record, I wasn't trying to be inflammatory necessarily with those questions, I was trying just to see what I could get BH to say and talk about regarding that topic." Go read the above post, he wanted him to answer that why? Was it inflammatory. if there were no examples of what he wanted to talk about why the asking? WHy was he trying to lead him places? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18875124 "There was no grand plan behind it, I suppose you could call it a combination of both. I wasn't exactly sure how BH would answer the questions if at all so it was more that I was trying to lead him in a direction where I could show the thread exactly how he is prone to act in certain situations." prone means they have not happened yet. if they had happened you could just point to those, no need to show the thread what BH is prone to if he has not done it? Why was he trying to lead him places? before the case existed. Bh has in fact for Bh been very restrained. BH was even called out by hapa for being less strident than normal D1 + Show Spoiler [some more of the details] + As it is spread out in the thread because it took me a while to get the answers. I asked some questions here. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18868046 I didnt put an @Gravman in so perhaps he didnt notice it was meant for him. He didnt answer. I then posted this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18869999 and this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18870001 Finally this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18872888 | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
On June 13 2013 13:18 goodkarma wrote: Some of your posts have my head hurting... Like this one: The thing is scum even moreso do shit all the time to not help town... And then you go onto say that he either has pms or is scum... Like I don't think BH is physically capable of having PMS, so he must be scum? Seriously though, you keep insisting he's town while providing no justification. And when I provide both meta and non-meta reasons why BH is likely scum, you choose to: 1) Ignore anything I say that is non-meta 2) Say you're too lazy to look into The Game to see similarities to his play here... So really we don't have anything to discuss until you pull your head our of your arse and consider the merits of what I've said, so don't act so sad about it... This post is basically a scumclaim by GK whoop. First point by me is obviously a joke. And he picks at it. Scum love to pick at stuff that makes other people look bad/retarded without actually looking at the context. I dont want to look into THE GAME cause I was hosting that and I recall that it wasnt like this. I ignore anything you say that is non-meta cause BH is BH. Im not gonna talk about BH until he returns to the thread. There are at least 2 members of the scumteam. Fine we dont agree on BH and my first scumread which is you. My second scum read is GM. Wanna lynch GM? | ||
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Sylencia
Australia1057 Posts
@Shiao: Stutters is fine, his end of n1/d2 play has been pretty solid. I'm pretty null on you though. @Oats, what are you thoughts on Axle, and why not push GK more rather than switching to GM? I feel more towards voting for GK than GM personally | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On June 13 2013 01:56 GravityMan wrote: What makes no sense to me now is how there are only two votes cast and GoodKarma is going to be lynched. Clearly if it walks like a scum, talks like a scum, and multiple people suspect him like a scum.... BH is still just creating shit about him and Oats. All he does is counter-accuse people who 'dare' accuse him of being scum because he knows he can get away with it. He's provided no evidence as to why he thinks I'm scum. STILL. I have no idea why people are still hesitating on this. Meta-analysis would be SO GOOD here but I promised myself I wouldn't. Someone else could take a crack at it though if they wanted. It's pretty obvious. BH you must be absolutely furious that I'm going to get you lynched today, but 'jubs gonna jub,' amirite? Now I'm supposed to respond to Axle 'cause he's been asking me for a while so let me get to that, and then I'm around for discussion and such. That makes sense if you have just been discussing it in the scum QT. and now you are suppsoed to respond to Axle seeing as he just wont let the question go.... <<< wine that is easy to drink I have tried to find how a towny might have been thinking that would then have them write that. <<< wine that is too hard to drink | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
He wouldnt want to lynch himself right? I want GK to die. But no one seems to be interested Axle has been way more relevent than in the one scum game Ive played with him and he has been almost the most active person in the game with occasional good insights. Im not lynching him ever. | ||
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Sylencia
Australia1057 Posts
On June 13 2013 23:04 Oatsmaster wrote: Im talking to GK about lynching someone today. He wouldnt want to lynch himself right? I want GK to die. But no one seems to be interested Axle has been way more relevent than in the one scum game Ive played with him and he has been almost the most active person in the game with occasional good insights. Im not lynching him ever. Oh right, and idk, does Blazinghand not take the most active award with occasional good insights? | ||
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