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On June 13 2013 10:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
You have 6 posts GK.....
And I already said why your first post was scummy, and then you come back in the thread and say that all town should have 2 reads bla bla.
Why are you shitting on town and not being useful?
Do you still think BH is scum?
Why is syl scum and not stutters?
GK's attitude towards me is that Im town. Do you think Im town GK?
Your first question is very rhetorical... I'm being very useful. It's you that are asking useless questions... Further it should be clear from my recent posting what I think about BH.
As for stutters, my read on him was slight town. Since that time, he's said some things that are odd to me. I'd say he's more of a null read now. Like I don't understand how he instantly assumes Vayne fakeclaimed at one point when there's been no counterclaims, and how later on he's brought up I should be vigishot immediately for lurking even though it's clear I post in the evening, and the day cycle is only halfway done. These are actions that very well could be scum-motivated, but I need to see him post a bit more to be sure. As I've said, town Stutters has moments where he'll post stuff that's actually insightful. I felt that was what I was seeing with his posting on Shao, but that's really the only point this whole game he's been like that.
I do think you're town Oats. And the only reason I believe that is looking at your past scumgames I can't visualize you drawing so much attention to yourself as scum, even if your play has been objectively scummy and bad.
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On June 13 2013 10:33 AxleGreaser wrote:Sorry reads like sarcasm in my head. just be a sec i think I know what chnaged your mind then.
Actually i dont know if your mind changed or not ,the above reads like that (sheesh this getting silly)
Anyway if your read is based on your "why? why? Why Syl?" post then you may need to re-examine it yet again
Kind of an FYI: thing as I think you missed something.
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On June 13 2013 10:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
yes yes im here.
and no GK,
SHOW ME where his play is similar.
It's a pattern of behavior more than a single quote. I mean, I could grab multiple dickish comments from BH and throw them in thread, but that's not going to show to you anything. It's who he's pushed and how that matter, and that similarity is something that you're going to have to do some digging of your own to see.
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On June 13 2013 10:23 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 09:50 GravityMan wrote:On June 13 2013 09:45 AxleGreaser wrote:On June 13 2013 09:35 GravityMan wrote:Sorry Corazon  Axle, I answered you here. On June 13 2013 08:10 GravityMan wrote:On June 13 2013 08:02 AxleGreaser wrote:On June 13 2013 07:56 GravityMan wrote:On June 13 2013 07:20 AxleGreaser wrote:On June 13 2013 07:14 GravityMan wrote:On June 13 2013 07:06 AxleGreaser wrote:
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I have seen BH play before as have many people. Now that you have said this I have more problems.
GM:WoS: I asked those questions earlier as a way for me to logically come to this point while still in the GM persona without using meta to prove it.
What do you mean by come logically to the point. Were you asking questions to get answers to them, or was the purpose of the post to ask questions, while actually logically coming to a point. Your post concludes "What I am truly unsure about is the degree to which you actually care about your ego. I would think you're more likely to discard this ego as a scum player in favor of lying, but I cannot, of course, be sure."
Which looks pretty much like coming to the point of saying something.
So was the point of the post the questions or the conclusion it appears to reach and state.
if the point of it was the questions, and the thread needed those answers "trying to find a way to show it to the thread,"
then why didnt you need to get them answered at some time?
To be completely honest, I'm not sure what you're asking me. Can you try and rephrase it? Aure thing that post see above. it had lots of things with ? at the end in it they are questions. Was the point of the post to ask those questions and get answers. ("show it to the thread," via answers to questions) Was the point of the post to make statement. ("show it to the thread," via statement by you) or something else. If it was questions why when you didnt you get answers didnt you ask again? and just drop it. No need to be snide. There was no grand plan behind it, I suppose you could call it a combination of both. I wasn't exactly sure how BH would answer the questions if at all so it was more that I was trying to lead him in a direction where I could show the thread exactly how he is prone to act in certain situations. Why didn't I ask again? I don't know. I think I gave up the train of thought at the time. Trying to get BH to do anything is like pulling teeth anyway. Vayne it was a joke between me and Corazon. It's not related to the game really. Snide = Sorry. Ok. it will take a little bit for me to get the stuff. but without links to where or what. So that post gets the thread to see Bh has ego etc. (he said to me back then he is talented guy...) How does that interact with him beign scummy or town. Walk me through how me knowing that lets me evaluate BH(with ego) and see that he got a scum Pm and not BH(with ego) got a town PM. Specifically, the section where he backs down from Hapa yet is belligerent towards Oats got me thinking about how in general he interacts with people. I believe I spoke about it last night---as scum he tends not to give people he thinks are beneath him the time of day. He does this as town as well, but when he's serious about hunting scum he will eventually interact with everyone in the thread in some form of a positive way. Essentially I was trying to display this without the ability to dive into BH's meta and prove this---again, Les Mafia is a good example--- and show that he can't act that way towards Hapa as Hapa is a very skilled town player and will not put up with his bullshit, yet will shit up the thread towards anyone else he can when he can get away with it. Without even using meta I can tell you that the way BH has been acting in this way towards people is not town-aligned in the slightest; the meta only makes it stronger when you can see that's how he acts in various games. I admit it's not exactly the clearest line of thought but I know it's true, I've played with BH a ton recently and feel that I've learned to read him well (despite me lying about it as GM). It doesn't mean much but I've said it before, if I was town in Les there is no way I would have voted to lynch him when he acted the way he did at the end of the game. He has not acted even a fraction as towny this game as he did in that one. In fact, I have been nothing but forthcoming considering everything asked of me all game. Has BH been as considerate? I REALLY don't understand what is so hard for all of you to see here. Oh and Axle, by definiton, you saying 'mislynched' means you think BH is town. I want to know why you think he is town. It has nothing to do with what you want from me. I think I prefer to do what you wanted me to do a little while ago. On June 13 2013 08:13 GravityMan wrote:
Axle can you answer my question?
You've been doing too much analysis and questioning and not offering enough in terms of reads and stances taken.
Who is scum and why?
I'm fine with either for now, but I will not be letting this go. I have seen nothing remotely towny about BH's play right now and that fact that you see as such or are making a preflip association based on the fact that you think I'm scum is not good. My views are not preflip association based. They are also not 100%, but I would need to either see more or understand the cases against him better before i'd lynch today. yeah he went all "dinner" "dinner" and hapa fake shot him... and he and oats are being he and oats. What I dont yet see is the scum agenda and intention.
Why does he need some grand agenda?
His 'agenda' is he has done dick all the entire game. This assists scum because it doesn't help the town find the scum.
He has done his 'BH and Oats' thing to shit up the thread because his 'intention' is to shit up the thread and waste town's time.
Pretty simple in my opinion.
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Now that people are actually starting to listen to me regarding BH's activity and what he has not done this game, I expect him to come back around his usual time (a couple hours from now-ish) and actually put some effort forward because he will realize he is in real danger of being lynched.
What people need to keep in mind, is to look at what he does when he comes back and how he does it. Is he actively assisting the town or not?
I will do my best to keep an open mind myself.
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On June 13 2013 10:51 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 10:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
yes yes im here.
and no GK,
SHOW ME where his play is similar. It's a pattern of behavior more than a single quote. I mean, I could grab multiple dickish comments from BH and throw them in thread, but that's not going to show to you anything. It's who he's pushed and how that matter, and that similarity is something that you're going to have to do some digging of your own to see.
OHHHHH I SEE.
nah im too lazy cause I think hes town.
You want me to lynch him, you gotta do better than 'GO LOOK AT HIS FILTER'
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Oats:
On June 13 2013 02:37 Blazinghand wrote:
yeah actually let's get rid of this guy. He might be the mayor and maybe he claimed cop but he's scum imo
##vote VA
Can you explain the town motivation for this?
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On June 13 2013 10:46 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 10:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
You have 6 posts GK.....
And I already said why your first post was scummy, and then you come back in the thread and say that all town should have 2 reads bla bla.
Why are you shitting on town and not being useful?
Do you still think BH is scum?
Why is syl scum and not stutters?
GK's attitude towards me is that Im town. Do you think Im town GK? Your first question is very rhetorical... I'm being very useful. It's you that are asking useless questions... Further it should be clear from my recent posting what I think about BH. As for stutters, my read on him was slight town. Since that time, he's said some things that are odd to me. I'd say he's more of a null read now. Like I don't understand how he instantly assumes Vayne fakeclaimed at one point when there's been no counterclaims, and how later on he's brought up I should be vigishot immediately for lurking even though it's clear I post in the evening, and the day cycle is only halfway done. These are actions that very well could be scum-motivated, but I need to see him post a bit more to be sure. As I've said, town Stutters has moments where he'll post stuff that's actually insightful. I felt that was what I was seeing with his posting on Shao, but that's really the only point this whole game he's been like that. I do think you're tAnd the only reason I believe that is looking at your past scumgames I can't visualize you drawing so much attention to yourself as scum, even if your play has been objectively scummy and bad.
Since you're actually here, read my post on Vayne (earlier today). I didn't assume he fake claimed, I assumed it was a possibility and that the only reason he hasn't hung is because of his claim.
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You know what's funny?
People suspecting Vayne for fakeclaiming reminds me of when people suspected me of fakeclaiming in The Game because I claimed rolecop and then was subsequently RBed every night thereafter.
Want to know who set up that line of suspicion?
Geript.
BH, you don't want to be Geript, do you?
But seriously, think of it in terms of what is more likely. Is scum more likely to take a needless gamble and fakeclaim cop and the lie about getting RBed all game so they don't have to do anything else, when there could be a counterclaim and they get fucked? Or is it more likely that Vayne is simply town and claimed when it wasn't quite necessary?
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I don't think we should kill Vayne but to say he's definitely town for any reason outside of the claim is wrong.
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On June 13 2013 11:43 Stutters695 wrote:
I don't think we should kill Vayne but to say he's definitely town for any reason outside of the claim is wrong.
I agree.
BH doesn't.
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On June 13 2013 11:33 GravityMan wrote:Oats: Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 02:37 Blazinghand wrote:
yeah actually let's get rid of this guy. He might be the mayor and maybe he claimed cop but he's scum imo
##vote VA Can you explain the town motivation for this?
he thinks vayne is scum and wants him to die?
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On June 13 2013 10:46 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 10:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
You have 6 posts GK.....
And I already said why your first post was scummy, and then you come back in the thread and say that all town should have 2 reads bla bla.
Why are you shitting on town and not being useful?
Do you still think BH is scum?
Why is syl scum and not stutters?
GK's attitude towards me is that Im town. Do you think Im town GK? Your first question is very rhetorical... I'm being very useful. It's you that are asking useless questions... Further it should be clear from my recent posting what I think about BH. As for stutters, my read on him was slight town. Since that time, he's said some things that are odd to me. I'd say he's more of a null read now. Like I don't understand how he instantly assumes Vayne fakeclaimed at one point when there's been no counterclaims, and how later on he's brought up I should be vigishot immediately for lurking even though it's clear I post in the evening, and the day cycle is only halfway done. These are actions that very well could be scum-motivated, but I need to see him post a bit more to be sure. As I've said, town Stutters has moments where he'll post stuff that's actually insightful. I felt that was what I was seeing with his posting on Shao, but that's really the only point this whole game he's been like that. I do think you're town Oats. And the only reason I believe that is looking at your past scumgames I can't visualize you drawing so much attention to yourself as scum, even if your play has been objectively scummy and bad.
lynch him Now.
Now.
GK, by any measurable standard. You are lurking. You have 1 page of filter and its been a day and a half or more since you replaced in.
You arent really pushing anything. You just post stuff and never prod or whatever. Like this post. There is no followup. You are sitting in the background and not doing ANYTHING to get your read lynched/vigged. its scum.
KILL HIm.
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On June 13 2013 12:09 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 10:46 goodkarma wrote:On June 13 2013 10:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
You have 6 posts GK.....
And I already said why your first post was scummy, and then you come back in the thread and say that all town should have 2 reads bla bla.
Why are you shitting on town and not being useful?
Do you still think BH is scum?
Why is syl scum and not stutters?
GK's attitude towards me is that Im town. Do you think Im town GK? Your first question is very rhetorical... I'm being very useful. It's you that are asking useless questions... Further it should be clear from my recent posting what I think about BH. As for stutters, my read on him was slight town. Since that time, he's said some things that are odd to me. I'd say he's more of a null read now. Like I don't understand how he instantly assumes Vayne fakeclaimed at one point when there's been no counterclaims, and how later on he's brought up I should be vigishot immediately for lurking even though it's clear I post in the evening, and the day cycle is only halfway done. These are actions that very well could be scum-motivated, but I need to see him post a bit more to be sure. As I've said, town Stutters has moments where he'll post stuff that's actually insightful. I felt that was what I was seeing with his posting on Shao, but that's really the only point this whole game he's been like that. I do think you're town Oats. And the only reason I believe that is looking at your past scumgames I can't visualize you drawing so much attention to yourself as scum, even if your play has been objectively scummy and bad. lynch him Now. Now. GK, by any measurable standard. You are lurking. You have 1 page of filter and its been a day and a half or more since you replaced in. You arent really pushing anything. You just post stuff and never prod or whatever. Like this post. There is no followup. You are sitting in the background and not doing ANYTHING to get your read lynched/vigged. its scum. KILL HIm.
By these standards you should be lynching BH.
True he's not lurking but the rest applies. Has BH pushed Vayne? Hell at least GK is offering reasons for his scumread.
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but the problem WoS, is that I think BH is town.
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On June 13 2013 12:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
but the problem WoS, is that I think BH is town.
Why.
Why is he town?
How is he helping us win this game?
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On June 13 2013 12:32 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 12:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
but the problem WoS, is that I think BH is town.
Why. Why is he town? How is he helping us win this game?
Quoted for filter.
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You think hes town too, your vote is a pressure vote.
Whatever.
People do shit that may not help town win the game, but they are town. I mean like grush and stuff.
BH can help us win, he isnt choosing to do so either cause he has pms, or is scum.
Going for the first option at the moment.
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LOL
How is it I think he's town?
Because I said I think there's a chance he may come back and do something now that he realizes he'll get lynched?
Depends on what that something is. I most certainly do NOT believe he is town, but I believe even if he was, this is the only way in hell we get him to do anything.
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