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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 13 2013 17:16 GMT
#1101
I DONT EVEN FEEL LIKE IM PLAYING ANYMORE.

guys why or why not are you lynching GK today?
No gg, No skill.
GravityMan
Profile Joined June 2013
Guyana (French)188 Posts
June 13 2013 17:16 GMT
#1102
On June 14 2013 02:06 AxleGreaser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2013 00:44 GravityMan wrote:
On June 13 2013 22:18 AxleGreaser wrote:
@everyone Time is passing. We need to have some wagons of Justice.

Here is mine

##Vote GravityMan toLynch

The case is not that hard but there are potentially lots of details.

The case on blazing hand is wrong and weak, and making a bad case is not scum indicative.

What is scum indicative is trying, to manufacture one, by provoking the responses that you need in advance of having the read.

GM has been trying to provoke BH for rather a long time.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18859699
read this post and decide if you think that was provocative.

GM describes the purpose of that as http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18875432
"For the record, I wasn't trying to be inflammatory necessarily with those questions, I was trying just to see what I could get BH to say and talk about regarding that topic."

Go read the above post, he wanted him to answer that why? Was it inflammatory.
if there were no examples of what he wanted to talk about why the asking?


Why was he trying to lead him places?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18875124
"There was no grand plan behind it, I suppose you could call it a combination of both. I wasn't exactly sure how BH would answer the questions if at all so it was more that I was trying to lead him in a direction where I could show the thread exactly how he is prone to act in certain situations."

prone means they have not happened yet. if they had happened you could just point to those, no need to show the thread what BH is prone to if he has not done it?

Why was he trying to lead him places? before the case existed.

Bh has in fact for Bh been very restrained. BH was even called out by hapa for being less strident than normal D1


+ Show Spoiler [some more of the details] +

As it is spread out in the thread because it took me a while to get the answers.

I asked some questions here.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18868046
I didnt put an @Gravman in so perhaps he didnt notice it was meant for him.
He didnt answer.

I then posted this
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18869999
and this
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18870001

Finally this
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18872888



Axle, my problem here is you are also misrepresenting everything I do.
The reason I was trying to 'lead' BH to talk about what I wanted him to is the artificial restraints I put on myself. Without the ability to talk about his meta I was forced to get him to talk about how he might act in certain situations so I could then bring it up as an example. I already had in my mind the idea that he was scum here but I wanted to try and flesh out more evidence. Yes it's 'leading the witness,' but it's for a good cause: getting my scumread lynched.
You can call that a scum agenda if you want, but it's not.
On June 13 2013 23:03 AxleGreaser wrote:
This post is also interesting
On June 13 2013 01:56 GravityMan wrote:
What makes no sense to me now is how there are only two votes cast and GoodKarma is going to be lynched.
Clearly if it walks like a scum, talks like a scum, and multiple people suspect him like a scum....

BH is still just creating shit about him and Oats.
All he does is counter-accuse people who 'dare' accuse him of being scum because he knows he can get away with it.
He's provided no evidence as to why he thinks I'm scum. STILL.

I have no idea why people are still hesitating on this.
Meta-analysis would be SO GOOD here but I promised myself I wouldn't. Someone else could take a crack at it though if they wanted. It's pretty obvious.

BH you must be absolutely furious that I'm going to get you lynched today, but 'jubs gonna jub,' amirite?

Now I'm supposed to respond to Axle 'cause he's been asking me for a while so let me get to that, and then I'm around for discussion and such.


That makes sense if you have just been discussing it in the scum QT.
and now you are supposed to respond to Axle seeing as he just wont let the question go.... <<< wine that is easy to drink

I have tried to find how a towny might have been thinking that would then have them write that. <<< wine that is too hard to drink


As far as not responding to you immediately, I don't really see how that's scum indicative either. This is confiramtion bias and you are simply believing what fits your read of me. I simply said it because it was the truth, and upon looking back through the thread I realized I missed some queries you had of me. Nothing more.

Vote me if you must Axle, but I would recommend you at least look into who else in this game is scum for once, because if I eventually flip town you are going to be completely lost, especially if you think BH is town.



While the delay was concerning especially when repeated

You appeared to miss the point so I adjusted the bolding in the quote.
Gravman Said: "Now I'm supposed to respond to Axle 'cause he's been asking me for a while so let me get to that, and then I'm around for discussion and such."
My problem was that you referred to it as 'supposed' to the use of that word seems wrong for town player acting alone, but makes sense if it is as a result of discussion elsewhere such as in the scum QT.



Also This is your case (I believe)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18867420

What kind of answers could have been given to these questions that would supported your case.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18859699





Oh I see, so you think I scumslipped, huh? Ok, good luck with that. Haha you picked a point that even BH wouldn't support.

As for the 'fishing for answers,' honestly....I guess I don't have a sufficient way to prove this to you but you'll see in postgame or after I flip---you're looking way too deeply into this as though I had some mega overarching agenda here. With my questioning about his stance towards Vayne, had I been able to use meta I would shove it in his face that both Vayne AND I had beaten him in Les Mafia. I knew personally the only reason he thought at that point that Vayne was a good player was because of Les Mafia, which is a terrible reason. Scum play does not equal town play, and a SINGLE game of good play is not a good example to overall good play. I was trying to make it evident to the thread that BH's initial reasoning to calling VA a good mayoral choice was inherently flawed and his trumped up ego, thinking "well, he beat me, the best player of all time last game, so he MUST be good" is making the decisions for him. As I've pointed out, when dealing with players supposedly better than him he will suppress the egotistical nature but when dealing with anyone else it comes out to play. He uses it as it suits him.

Axle I'm willing to continue to follow your endless questions until the cows come home, but is it ever going to stop? Are you ever going to contribute to the thread in any other way? It honestly worries me because I know I'm town and I'm pretty sure you are, and this is wasting a shot ton of time that could be put to more productive use. What can I do to get you to at least look elsewhere even if you keep your vote on me?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3Pkpp49aMk
GravityMan
Profile Joined June 2013
Guyana (French)188 Posts
June 13 2013 17:17 GMT
#1103
On June 14 2013 02:15 ShiaoPi wrote:
also axle is town after i filtered him. While there is sometimes lack of comittment his effort and analysis scream town to me.
I mean it took my ages judt to get thriugh that filter. He has been active and helpful. he is pretty much town

Yup, this.

Shiao, who else is scum?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3Pkpp49aMk
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
June 13 2013 17:17 GMT
#1104
On June 14 2013 01:15 Sylencia wrote:
BH is towny for me because I feel like he's actually contributing even after cutting out the fluff, and the fact he questions what we normally wouldn't question (a cop claim) would probably be too strong of a move to be doing as scum. Naturally could be some genius plan to roleblock Vayne to infinity and then question his claim when he's still alive later and push a mislynch on him, but that's pretty thin.

Vayne should be higher, but man, honestly if you take away his cop claim I don't feel anything from him.

Anyways I'm off for the night


lI am sitting like, are you fucking serious? BH contributing?? like what are you smoking
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
June 13 2013 17:20 GMT
#1105
On June 14 2013 02:17 GravityMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2013 02:15 ShiaoPi wrote:
also axle is town after i filtered him. While there is sometimes lack of comittment his effort and analysis scream town to me.
I mean it took my ages judt to get thriugh that filter. He has been active and helpful. he is pretty much town

Yup, this.

Shiao, who else is scum?


not too sure right now. Really dislike gk's lack of anything. Currently I am trying to decide whether syl is just stupid or scum. Also stutters reply to me and tell me what makes me so scummy its annoying
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
June 13 2013 17:24 GMT
#1106
On June 14 2013 02:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
I DONT EVEN FEEL LIKE IM PLAYING ANYMORE.

guys why or why not are you lynching GK today?


BH is scummier and the better lynch today. Can you please tell me again how he is town?
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
June 13 2013 17:34 GMT
#1107
On June 14 2013 02:16 GravityMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2013 02:06 AxleGreaser wrote:
On June 14 2013 00:44 GravityMan wrote:
On June 13 2013 22:18 AxleGreaser wrote:
@everyone Time is passing. We need to have some wagons of Justice.

Here is mine

##Vote GravityMan toLynch

The case is not that hard but there are potentially lots of details.

The case on blazing hand is wrong and weak, and making a bad case is not scum indicative.

What is scum indicative is trying, to manufacture one, by provoking the responses that you need in advance of having the read.

GM has been trying to provoke BH for rather a long time.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18859699
read this post and decide if you think that was provocative.

GM describes the purpose of that as http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18875432
"For the record, I wasn't trying to be inflammatory necessarily with those questions, I was trying just to see what I could get BH to say and talk about regarding that topic."

Go read the above post, he wanted him to answer that why? Was it inflammatory.
if there were no examples of what he wanted to talk about why the asking?


Why was he trying to lead him places?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18875124
"There was no grand plan behind it, I suppose you could call it a combination of both. I wasn't exactly sure how BH would answer the questions if at all so it was more that I was trying to lead him in a direction where I could show the thread exactly how he is prone to act in certain situations."

prone means they have not happened yet. if they had happened you could just point to those, no need to show the thread what BH is prone to if he has not done it?

Why was he trying to lead him places? before the case existed.

Bh has in fact for Bh been very restrained. BH was even called out by hapa for being less strident than normal D1


+ Show Spoiler [some more of the details] +

As it is spread out in the thread because it took me a while to get the answers.

I asked some questions here.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18868046
I didnt put an @Gravman in so perhaps he didnt notice it was meant for him.
He didnt answer.

I then posted this
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18869999
and this
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18870001

Finally this
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18872888



Axle, my problem here is you are also misrepresenting everything I do.
The reason I was trying to 'lead' BH to talk about what I wanted him to is the artificial restraints I put on myself. Without the ability to talk about his meta I was forced to get him to talk about how he might act in certain situations so I could then bring it up as an example. I already had in my mind the idea that he was scum here but I wanted to try and flesh out more evidence. Yes it's 'leading the witness,' but it's for a good cause: getting my scumread lynched.
You can call that a scum agenda if you want, but it's not.
On June 13 2013 23:03 AxleGreaser wrote:
This post is also interesting
On June 13 2013 01:56 GravityMan wrote:
What makes no sense to me now is how there are only two votes cast and GoodKarma is going to be lynched.
Clearly if it walks like a scum, talks like a scum, and multiple people suspect him like a scum....

BH is still just creating shit about him and Oats.
All he does is counter-accuse people who 'dare' accuse him of being scum because he knows he can get away with it.
He's provided no evidence as to why he thinks I'm scum. STILL.

I have no idea why people are still hesitating on this.
Meta-analysis would be SO GOOD here but I promised myself I wouldn't. Someone else could take a crack at it though if they wanted. It's pretty obvious.

BH you must be absolutely furious that I'm going to get you lynched today, but 'jubs gonna jub,' amirite?

Now I'm supposed to respond to Axle 'cause he's been asking me for a while so let me get to that, and then I'm around for discussion and such.


That makes sense if you have just been discussing it in the scum QT.
and now you are supposed to respond to Axle seeing as he just wont let the question go.... <<< wine that is easy to drink

I have tried to find how a towny might have been thinking that would then have them write that. <<< wine that is too hard to drink


As far as not responding to you immediately, I don't really see how that's scum indicative either. This is confiramtion bias and you are simply believing what fits your read of me. I simply said it because it was the truth, and upon looking back through the thread I realized I missed some queries you had of me. Nothing more.

Vote me if you must Axle, but I would recommend you at least look into who else in this game is scum for once, because if I eventually flip town you are going to be completely lost, especially if you think BH is town.



While the delay was concerning especially when repeated

You appeared to miss the point so I adjusted the bolding in the quote.
Gravman Said: "Now I'm supposed to respond to Axle 'cause he's been asking me for a while so let me get to that, and then I'm around for discussion and such."
My problem was that you referred to it as 'supposed' to the use of that word seems wrong for town player acting alone, but makes sense if it is as a result of discussion elsewhere such as in the scum QT.



Also This is your case (I believe)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18867420

What kind of answers could have been given to these questions that would supported your case.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18859699





Oh I see, so you think I scumslipped, huh? Ok, good luck with that. Haha you picked a point that even BH wouldn't support.

As for the 'fishing for answers,' honestly....I guess I don't have a sufficient way to prove this to you but you'll see in postgame or after I flip---you're looking way too deeply into this as though I had some mega overarching agenda here. With my questioning about his stance towards Vayne, had I been able to use meta I would shove it in his face that both Vayne AND I had beaten him in Les Mafia. I knew personally the only reason he thought at that point that Vayne was a good player was because of Les Mafia, which is a terrible reason. Scum play does not equal town play, and a SINGLE game of good play is not a good example to overall good play. I was trying to make it evident to the thread that BH's initial reasoning to calling VA a good mayoral choice was inherently flawed and his trumped up ego, thinking "well, he beat me, the best player of all time last game, so he MUST be good" is making the decisions for him. As I've pointed out, when dealing with players supposedly better than him he will suppress the egotistical nature but when dealing with anyone else it comes out to play. He uses it as it suits him.

Axle I'm willing to continue to follow your endless questions until the cows come home, but is it ever going to stop? Are you ever going to contribute to the thread in any other way? It honestly worries me because I know I'm town and I'm pretty sure you are, and this is wasting a shot ton of time that could be put to more productive use. What can I do to get you to at least look elsewhere even if you keep your vote on me?


Find one of your scum buddies and lynch him?
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
June 13 2013 17:35 GMT
#1108
Trying to wait to see if BH gets back before I vote. Again, a vig shot on me is retarded and I've explained exactly why it is anti-town. If you don't see that I don't know what to tell you.

Shiao I'll get to your thing later.
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
June 13 2013 17:38 GMT
#1109
On June 14 2013 02:16 GravityMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2013 02:06 AxleGreaser wrote:
On June 14 2013 00:44 GravityMan wrote:
On June 13 2013 22:18 AxleGreaser wrote:
@everyone Time is passing. We need to have some wagons of Justice.

Here is mine

##Vote GravityMan toLynch

The case is not that hard but there are potentially lots of details.

The case on blazing hand is wrong and weak, and making a bad case is not scum indicative.

What is scum indicative is trying, to manufacture one, by provoking the responses that you need in advance of having the read.

GM has been trying to provoke BH for rather a long time.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18859699
read this post and decide if you think that was provocative.

GM describes the purpose of that as http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18875432
"For the record, I wasn't trying to be inflammatory necessarily with those questions, I was trying just to see what I could get BH to say and talk about regarding that topic."

Go read the above post, he wanted him to answer that why? Was it inflammatory.
if there were no examples of what he wanted to talk about why the asking?


Why was he trying to lead him places?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18875124
"There was no grand plan behind it, I suppose you could call it a combination of both. I wasn't exactly sure how BH would answer the questions if at all so it was more that I was trying to lead him in a direction where I could show the thread exactly how he is prone to act in certain situations."

prone means they have not happened yet. if they had happened you could just point to those, no need to show the thread what BH is prone to if he has not done it?

Why was he trying to lead him places? before the case existed.

Bh has in fact for Bh been very restrained. BH was even called out by hapa for being less strident than normal D1


+ Show Spoiler [some more of the details] +

As it is spread out in the thread because it took me a while to get the answers.

I asked some questions here.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18868046
I didnt put an @Gravman in so perhaps he didnt notice it was meant for him.
He didnt answer.

I then posted this
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18869999
and this
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18870001

Finally this
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18872888



Axle, my problem here is you are also misrepresenting everything I do.
The reason I was trying to 'lead' BH to talk about what I wanted him to is the artificial restraints I put on myself. Without the ability to talk about his meta I was forced to get him to talk about how he might act in certain situations so I could then bring it up as an example. I already had in my mind the idea that he was scum here but I wanted to try and flesh out more evidence. Yes it's 'leading the witness,' but it's for a good cause: getting my scumread lynched.
You can call that a scum agenda if you want, but it's not.
On June 13 2013 23:03 AxleGreaser wrote:
This post is also interesting
On June 13 2013 01:56 GravityMan wrote:
What makes no sense to me now is how there are only two votes cast and GoodKarma is going to be lynched.
Clearly if it walks like a scum, talks like a scum, and multiple people suspect him like a scum....

BH is still just creating shit about him and Oats.
All he does is counter-accuse people who 'dare' accuse him of being scum because he knows he can get away with it.
He's provided no evidence as to why he thinks I'm scum. STILL.

I have no idea why people are still hesitating on this.
Meta-analysis would be SO GOOD here but I promised myself I wouldn't. Someone else could take a crack at it though if they wanted. It's pretty obvious.

BH you must be absolutely furious that I'm going to get you lynched today, but 'jubs gonna jub,' amirite?

Now I'm supposed to respond to Axle 'cause he's been asking me for a while so let me get to that, and then I'm around for discussion and such.


That makes sense if you have just been discussing it in the scum QT.
and now you are supposed to respond to Axle seeing as he just wont let the question go.... <<< wine that is easy to drink

I have tried to find how a towny might have been thinking that would then have them write that. <<< wine that is too hard to drink


As far as not responding to you immediately, I don't really see how that's scum indicative either. This is confiramtion bias and you are simply believing what fits your read of me. I simply said it because it was the truth, and upon looking back through the thread I realized I missed some queries you had of me. Nothing more.

Vote me if you must Axle, but I would recommend you at least look into who else in this game is scum for once, because if I eventually flip town you are going to be completely lost, especially if you think BH is town.



While the delay was concerning especially when repeated

You appeared to miss the point so I adjusted the bolding in the quote.
Gravman Said: "Now I'm supposed to respond to Axle 'cause he's been asking me for a while so let me get to that, and then I'm around for discussion and such."
My problem was that you referred to it as 'supposed' to the use of that word seems wrong for town player acting alone, but makes sense if it is as a result of discussion elsewhere such as in the scum QT.



Also This is your case (I believe)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18867420

What kind of answers could have been given to these questions that would supported your case.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18859699





Oh I see, so you think I scumslipped, huh? Ok, good luck with that. Haha you picked a point that even BH wouldn't support.

As for the 'fishing for answers,' honestly....I guess I don't have a sufficient way to prove this to you but you'll see in postgame or after I flip---you're looking way too deeply into this as though I had some mega overarching agenda here. With my questioning about his stance towards Vayne, had I been able to use meta I would shove it in his face that both Vayne AND I had beaten him in Les Mafia. I knew personally the only reason he thought at that point that Vayne was a good player was because of Les Mafia, which is a terrible reason. Scum play does not equal town play, and a SINGLE game of good play is not a good example to overall good play. I was trying to make it evident to the thread that BH's initial reasoning to calling VA a good mayoral choice was inherently flawed and his trumped up ego, thinking "well, he beat me, the best player of all time last game, so he MUST be good" is making the decisions for him. As I've pointed out, when dealing with players supposedly better than him he will suppress the egotistical nature but when dealing with anyone else it comes out to play. He uses it as it suits him.

Axle I'm willing to continue to follow your endless questions until the cows come home, but is it ever going to stop? Are you ever going to contribute to the thread in any other way? It honestly worries me because I know I'm town and I'm pretty sure you are, and this is wasting a shot ton of time that could be put to more productive use. What can I do to get you to at least look elsewhere even if you keep your vote on me?


and even if it was true how did that make him scum?
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
GravityMan
Profile Joined June 2013
Guyana (French)188 Posts
June 13 2013 17:40 GMT
#1110
On June 14 2013 02:34 AxleGreaser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2013 02:16 GravityMan wrote:
On June 14 2013 02:06 AxleGreaser wrote:
On June 14 2013 00:44 GravityMan wrote:
On June 13 2013 22:18 AxleGreaser wrote:
@everyone Time is passing. We need to have some wagons of Justice.

Here is mine

##Vote GravityMan toLynch

The case is not that hard but there are potentially lots of details.

The case on blazing hand is wrong and weak, and making a bad case is not scum indicative.

What is scum indicative is trying, to manufacture one, by provoking the responses that you need in advance of having the read.

GM has been trying to provoke BH for rather a long time.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18859699
read this post and decide if you think that was provocative.

GM describes the purpose of that as http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18875432
"For the record, I wasn't trying to be inflammatory necessarily with those questions, I was trying just to see what I could get BH to say and talk about regarding that topic."

Go read the above post, he wanted him to answer that why? Was it inflammatory.
if there were no examples of what he wanted to talk about why the asking?


Why was he trying to lead him places?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18875124
"There was no grand plan behind it, I suppose you could call it a combination of both. I wasn't exactly sure how BH would answer the questions if at all so it was more that I was trying to lead him in a direction where I could show the thread exactly how he is prone to act in certain situations."

prone means they have not happened yet. if they had happened you could just point to those, no need to show the thread what BH is prone to if he has not done it?

Why was he trying to lead him places? before the case existed.

Bh has in fact for Bh been very restrained. BH was even called out by hapa for being less strident than normal D1


+ Show Spoiler [some more of the details] +

As it is spread out in the thread because it took me a while to get the answers.

I asked some questions here.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18868046
I didnt put an @Gravman in so perhaps he didnt notice it was meant for him.
He didnt answer.

I then posted this
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18869999
and this
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18870001

Finally this
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18872888



Axle, my problem here is you are also misrepresenting everything I do.
The reason I was trying to 'lead' BH to talk about what I wanted him to is the artificial restraints I put on myself. Without the ability to talk about his meta I was forced to get him to talk about how he might act in certain situations so I could then bring it up as an example. I already had in my mind the idea that he was scum here but I wanted to try and flesh out more evidence. Yes it's 'leading the witness,' but it's for a good cause: getting my scumread lynched.
You can call that a scum agenda if you want, but it's not.
On June 13 2013 23:03 AxleGreaser wrote:
This post is also interesting
On June 13 2013 01:56 GravityMan wrote:
What makes no sense to me now is how there are only two votes cast and GoodKarma is going to be lynched.
Clearly if it walks like a scum, talks like a scum, and multiple people suspect him like a scum....

BH is still just creating shit about him and Oats.
All he does is counter-accuse people who 'dare' accuse him of being scum because he knows he can get away with it.
He's provided no evidence as to why he thinks I'm scum. STILL.

I have no idea why people are still hesitating on this.
Meta-analysis would be SO GOOD here but I promised myself I wouldn't. Someone else could take a crack at it though if they wanted. It's pretty obvious.

BH you must be absolutely furious that I'm going to get you lynched today, but 'jubs gonna jub,' amirite?

Now I'm supposed to respond to Axle 'cause he's been asking me for a while so let me get to that, and then I'm around for discussion and such.


That makes sense if you have just been discussing it in the scum QT.
and now you are supposed to respond to Axle seeing as he just wont let the question go.... <<< wine that is easy to drink

I have tried to find how a towny might have been thinking that would then have them write that. <<< wine that is too hard to drink


As far as not responding to you immediately, I don't really see how that's scum indicative either. This is confiramtion bias and you are simply believing what fits your read of me. I simply said it because it was the truth, and upon looking back through the thread I realized I missed some queries you had of me. Nothing more.

Vote me if you must Axle, but I would recommend you at least look into who else in this game is scum for once, because if I eventually flip town you are going to be completely lost, especially if you think BH is town.



While the delay was concerning especially when repeated

You appeared to miss the point so I adjusted the bolding in the quote.
Gravman Said: "Now I'm supposed to respond to Axle 'cause he's been asking me for a while so let me get to that, and then I'm around for discussion and such."
My problem was that you referred to it as 'supposed' to the use of that word seems wrong for town player acting alone, but makes sense if it is as a result of discussion elsewhere such as in the scum QT.



Also This is your case (I believe)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18867420

What kind of answers could have been given to these questions that would supported your case.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18859699





Oh I see, so you think I scumslipped, huh? Ok, good luck with that. Haha you picked a point that even BH wouldn't support.

As for the 'fishing for answers,' honestly....I guess I don't have a sufficient way to prove this to you but you'll see in postgame or after I flip---you're looking way too deeply into this as though I had some mega overarching agenda here. With my questioning about his stance towards Vayne, had I been able to use meta I would shove it in his face that both Vayne AND I had beaten him in Les Mafia. I knew personally the only reason he thought at that point that Vayne was a good player was because of Les Mafia, which is a terrible reason. Scum play does not equal town play, and a SINGLE game of good play is not a good example to overall good play. I was trying to make it evident to the thread that BH's initial reasoning to calling VA a good mayoral choice was inherently flawed and his trumped up ego, thinking "well, he beat me, the best player of all time last game, so he MUST be good" is making the decisions for him. As I've pointed out, when dealing with players supposedly better than him he will suppress the egotistical nature but when dealing with anyone else it comes out to play. He uses it as it suits him.

Axle I'm willing to continue to follow your endless questions until the cows come home, but is it ever going to stop? Are you ever going to contribute to the thread in any other way? It honestly worries me because I know I'm town and I'm pretty sure you are, and this is wasting a shot ton of time that could be put to more productive use. What can I do to get you to at least look elsewhere even if you keep your vote on me?


Find one of your scum buddies and lynch him?

Alright Axle, I've changed my mind. I can see you're not going to be of any assistance today so I'm done with you. If you choose to continue to push me, so be it, but I will not be contributing to the discussion any more. I have been nothing but forthcoming in every answer I've given you and tried to help you see that I'm not scum but since you absolutely refuse to believe it, and seem to refuse to want to do anything else at all, I'm not going to waste my time that is better spent getting scum lynched.
If you choose to follow another line of questioning at the same time I will gladly participate but I am finished entertaining your ideas about me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3Pkpp49aMk
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
June 13 2013 17:55 GMT
#1111
Hello friends. I'm back from dinner and ready to party. I suppose a VA lynch isn't possible today because he'll pardon himself; that's okay, we can still lynch GM.

##unvote
##vote GM
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
June 13 2013 17:58 GMT
#1112
On June 14 2013 02:55 Blazinghand wrote:
Hello friends. I'm back from dinner and ready to party. I suppose a VA lynch isn't possible today because he'll pardon himself; that's okay, we can still lynch GM.

##unvote
##vote GM


Read properly, he is lynchimmune for this cycle.
If you are ready to party tell me why GM is scum
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
June 13 2013 18:00 GMT
#1113
On June 14 2013 02:58 ShiaoPi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2013 02:55 Blazinghand wrote:
Hello friends. I'm back from dinner and ready to party. I suppose a VA lynch isn't possible today because he'll pardon himself; that's okay, we can still lynch GM.

##unvote
##vote GM


Read properly, he is lynchimmune for this cycle.
If you are ready to party tell me why GM is scum


usual stuff, lying, weird questions, not hunting scum. I like that point about him prodding me into shitting up the thread. very clever.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
June 13 2013 18:05 GMT
#1114
what do you make of his interaction with axle?
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GravityMan
Profile Joined June 2013
Guyana (French)188 Posts
June 13 2013 18:06 GMT
#1115
On June 14 2013 03:00 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2013 02:58 ShiaoPi wrote:
On June 14 2013 02:55 Blazinghand wrote:
Hello friends. I'm back from dinner and ready to party. I suppose a VA lynch isn't possible today because he'll pardon himself; that's okay, we can still lynch GM.

##unvote
##vote GM


Read properly, he is lynchimmune for this cycle.
If you are ready to party tell me why GM is scum


usual stuff, lying, weird questions, not hunting scum. I like that point about him prodding me into shitting up the thread. very clever.

Not hunting scum.
HAHAHA
And you have been.


I dare you BH, get me lynched today.
See where it gets you.
I'm out for a while. I've already spent an exhausting amount of time defending myself to Axle, I'm not getting into a shitfest with BH himself. If you want to let him sway you while I'm gone then go right ahead. I'll be back before deadline.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3Pkpp49aMk
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
June 13 2013 18:09 GMT
#1116
I think GM relying on things like the fact that he was roleplaying or whatever isn't a real explanation. Also, him talking about what he's "supposed" to do isn't scumslip, but rather an indicator of scum mindset. Although anyone could say that, it's more likely that scum says that than town because the idea of "supposed" to do something, of needing to fit into a role, isn't what town's about. It's not damning evidence like AG things it is-- but it is evidence. Also GM's decision not to interact with Axle after having his arguments shot down pretty hard is a pretty classic way of opting out of legitimate discourse and fits with his weird questioning of me during D1. GM's goal here isn't to be townie, it's to appear townie, to go through the motions that townies go through.
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GravityMan
Profile Joined June 2013
Guyana (French)188 Posts
June 13 2013 18:09 GMT
#1117
No, you know what, wait.
How DARE you say I haven't been hunting scum.
What the actual fuck.
I have interacted with everybody in this damn thread for days, given reads, and been completely transparent with all of my thoughts since revealing myself, including those thoughts I had BEFORE revealing myself.
What the FUCK have YOU done?


If you guys allow yourselves to be swayed by BH in the last 7 or so hours of this day, you guys will overtake the Les Mafia town as worst lynching ever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3Pkpp49aMk
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
June 13 2013 18:10 GMT
#1118
@Gravman You do see i asked you to explain your case To me, and how your point makes BH scum.


@BH

On June 14 2013 02:55 Blazinghand wrote:
Hello friends. I'm back from dinner and ready to party. I suppose a VA lynch isn't possible today because he'll pardon himself; that's okay, we can still lynch GM.

##unvote
##vote GM


way back http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18859699
GM finished post saying

GM "What I am truly unsure about is the degree to which you(BH) actually care about your ego. I would think you're more likely to discard this ego as a scum player in favor of lying, but I cannot, of course, be sure."

have you any idea what he was thinking?

how is "discarding ego" even related to "lying"?
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
June 13 2013 18:10 GMT
#1119
who would be your secondary read?
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GravityMan
Profile Joined June 2013
Guyana (French)188 Posts
June 13 2013 18:11 GMT
#1120
On June 14 2013 03:09 Blazinghand wrote:
I think GM relying on things like the fact that he was roleplaying or whatever isn't a real explanation. Also, him talking about what he's "supposed" to do isn't scumslip, but rather an indicator of scum mindset. Although anyone could say that, it's more likely that scum says that than town because the idea of "supposed" to do something, of needing to fit into a role, isn't what town's about. It's not damning evidence like AG things it is-- but it is evidence. Also GM's decision not to interact with Axle after having his arguments shot down pretty hard is a pretty classic way of opting out of legitimate discourse and fits with his weird questioning of me during D1. GM's goal here isn't to be townie, it's to appear townie, to go through the motions that townies go through.

Right, because it was that ONE final question he asked that did it for me.
Not the 500 I answered before.

Weak man, fucking weak.
I hate dealing with you in these games so much; I really wish I didn't blow my goddamn cover so I didn't have to deal with you like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3Pkpp49aMk
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