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On April 16 2013 20:53 craaaaack wrote:QFT man does anyone have the comic where shines keyboard broke and he was only able to build hydras? + Show Spoiler +
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On April 16 2013 20:52 McBengt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 20:51 Doublemint wrote:dealing with a 20+ muta switch this late into the game... not in this expansion Squirtle Needs storm basically, or you have to turtle with 1231221 cannons and mass blink stalkers. Counterattacking is just a quick way to die.
If you have a 3rd you can do that - turtle hard with mass cannons and then go for it with mass blinkstalker archon/zealot and storm.
And in the meantime they tech to swarmhost which they will be able to with like 8/10 gases - you are dead again
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Both players played pretty poorly in the first game.
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Northern Ireland23092 Posts
Anybody tell me what match we're in atm, watching live but not sure what came before, winners or losers match?
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On April 16 2013 20:52 crappen wrote: What is Shine hated for exactly? I havent followed the scene He is mean, kills the great protosses and doesn't want to retire.
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On April 16 2013 20:54 FlyingDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 20:52 crappen wrote: What is Shine hated for exactly? I havent followed the scene He cheesed out all the fan favorite protoss players then proceeded to lose himself you remind me of bisudagger, but with Flying instead of Bisu
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On April 16 2013 20:54 Archybaldie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 20:52 McBengt wrote:On April 16 2013 20:51 Doublemint wrote:dealing with a 20+ muta switch this late into the game... not in this expansion Squirtle Needs storm basically, or you have to turtle with 1231221 cannons and mass blink stalkers. Counterattacking is just a quick way to die. Thats the wings of liberty thought process. Anything that shoots up is helpful. But you always need the phoenixes to chase them down because they regen so quick in hots.
and if you scout it you're fine if you're sitting on 2 stargates plus fleet beacon. it really doesn't take many phoenixes to shut muta play down if you know it's coming
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On April 16 2013 20:55 Wombat_NI wrote: Anybody tell me what match we're in atm, watching live but not sure what came before, winners or losers match? Losers game 2
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On April 16 2013 20:53 kyllinghest wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 20:52 rj rl wrote: Finally someone realized you can do just that as zerg - bank thousands and switch any tech in ridicuous numbers whenever you want Im fairly certain I have seen this very move like hundreds of times mate i know what you're talking about but that exemplary execution - like just mass roach then just mass muta - i'm seeing for the first time.
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On April 16 2013 20:54 Archybaldie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 20:52 McBengt wrote:On April 16 2013 20:51 Doublemint wrote:dealing with a 20+ muta switch this late into the game... not in this expansion Squirtle Needs storm basically, or you have to turtle with 1231221 cannons and mass blink stalkers. Counterattacking is just a quick way to die. Thats the wings of liberty thought process. Anything that shoots up is helpful. But you always need the phoenixes to chase them down because they regen so quick in hots. Yep, the phoenixes are essential. I don't agree with the massive regen buff; it's like Blizzard were upset that people weren't making phoenix to counter mutas, so they made it the only option.
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On April 16 2013 20:52 gaymon wrote: This game was the epitome of my hatred against Zerg (No Balance Whine, he could have scouted the Spire), if you dont scout the spire 2 minutes from it starting you are pretty much dead.
I don't want to be mean, but he had the time to have +2 attack before doing mutas, so the switch was long planned. It's not like protoss hadn't any way of scouting (hallucinited phenix, real phenix). And at this level of play, people don't do a "random spire", and as corruptors are AWFULL against vr, mutas were really to be expcected. With just scouting the spire, squirtle could have guessed the strategy. The only problem is to know when. But he could have the phenix range + 6-7 phenix in time for the mutas...
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On April 16 2013 20:55 Wombat_NI wrote: Anybody tell me what match we're in atm, watching live but not sure what came before, winners or losers match? This is losers.
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On April 16 2013 20:55 Wombat_NI wrote: Anybody tell me what match we're in atm, watching live but not sure what came before, winners or losers match? Losers match 2 winner plays Keen for the last spot
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Losers' Match Shine vs Squirtle Game 2: Daybreak
Shine spawns in the top right Squirtle spawns in the bottom left
0:00-4:00min Shine goes for Pool first and builds a Hatchery at the third base location as Squirtle blocks the natural with his Probe Squirtle starts with Forge and then Nexus, Shine goes for a fast third base at his natural location
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On April 16 2013 20:54 Daralii wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 20:52 crappen wrote: What is Shine hated for exactly? I havent followed the scene Knocked Bisu out of a tournament with hydras. Just hydras. Multiple times. AFTER he proceeded to lose to non protoss players in the most horrible way. MULTIPLE TIMES.
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On April 16 2013 20:56 negativedge wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 20:54 Archybaldie wrote:On April 16 2013 20:52 McBengt wrote:On April 16 2013 20:51 Doublemint wrote:dealing with a 20+ muta switch this late into the game... not in this expansion Squirtle Needs storm basically, or you have to turtle with 1231221 cannons and mass blink stalkers. Counterattacking is just a quick way to die. Thats the wings of liberty thought process. Anything that shoots up is helpful. But you always need the phoenixes to chase them down because they regen so quick in hots. and if you scout it you're fine if you're sitting on 2 stargates plus fleet beacon. it really doesn't take many phoenixes to shut muta play down if you know it's coming The tricky thing is you don't really know Mutas are coming when scouting a Spire mid/late game. Could be for Corrupters, Vipers, etc. But yeah you should be able to hold those Mutas off a bit regardless with the Voids / Nexus Cannon / Stalkers w/e while building Phoenix. Still Zerg tech switches are done so quickly with mass Larvae it's not as easy as some Zergs think ^_^
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On April 16 2013 20:55 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 20:52 crappen wrote: What is Shine hated for exactly? I havent followed the scene He is mean, kills the great protosses and doesn't want to retire. Why would he retire while he can kill great protosses? Even if he falls out today, he still made it to Code S
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On April 16 2013 20:55 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 20:54 FlyingDagger wrote:On April 16 2013 20:52 crappen wrote: What is Shine hated for exactly? I havent followed the scene He cheesed out all the fan favorite protoss players then proceeded to lose himself you remind me of bisudagger, but with Flying instead of Bisu bisudagger has evolved to flyingdagger.
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Though Shine is Code S. And Bisu isn't
=X.
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On April 16 2013 20:57 Bibbit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 20:55 Wintex wrote:On April 16 2013 20:52 crappen wrote: What is Shine hated for exactly? I havent followed the scene He is mean, kills the great protosses and doesn't want to retire. Why would he retire while he can kill great protosses? Even if he falls out today, he still made it to Code S Cause i want him to
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