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Has anyone considered this possibility?
If BM is telling the truth, and is JV who shot mafia Caller, and Deconduo was actually mafia Janitor, there's only 1/5 mafia left.
Seems possible, no?
Thus, if we lynch mafia and don't win the game, and there's no anti-town third party, one of Mocsta/BM is probably mafia.
That's how I reached that conclusion.
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On April 12 2013 04:21 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 04:18 yamato77 wrote:On April 12 2013 04:18 yamato77 wrote: Out of anyone, you can reasonably assume that Palmar was shot, if BM is telling the truth.
ALTERNATIVELY, IF BM IS MAFIA
Caller could be town.
That's why he and Mocsta need to claim. EBWOP: Palmar was shot by mafia as the factional KP Okay, what happened to rayn? you think he was hider or something (with a pretty high pick )? Could be ANYTHING, to be honest. There are too many roles that could cause death that we'll never know about.
Maybe he was JV?
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On April 12 2013 04:23 yamato77 wrote: Has anyone considered this possibility?
If BM is telling the truth, and is JV who shot mafia Caller, and Deconduo was actually mafia Janitor, there's only 1/5 mafia left.
Seems possible, no?
Thus, if we lynch mafia and don't win the game, and there's no anti-town third party, one of Mocsta/BM is probably mafia.
That's how I reached that conclusion.
Town mocsta could totally have shot town decon, but I do see your logic.
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On April 12 2013 04:27 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 04:23 yamato77 wrote: Has anyone considered this possibility?
If BM is telling the truth, and is JV who shot mafia Caller, and Deconduo was actually mafia Janitor, there's only 1/5 mafia left.
Seems possible, no?
Thus, if we lynch mafia and don't win the game, and there's no anti-town third party, one of Mocsta/BM is probably mafia.
That's how I reached that conclusion. Town mocsta could totally have shot town decon, but I do see your logic. Why would town deconduo, knowing he was about to die, use janitor?
Makes more sense from a mafia perspective.
But yeah, Mafia Mcosta shooting town decon makes even less sense, unless they had a rolecop on him and accurately predicted he would use his power.
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On April 12 2013 04:29 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 04:27 Sn0_Man wrote:On April 12 2013 04:23 yamato77 wrote: Has anyone considered this possibility?
If BM is telling the truth, and is JV who shot mafia Caller, and Deconduo was actually mafia Janitor, there's only 1/5 mafia left.
Seems possible, no?
Thus, if we lynch mafia and don't win the game, and there's no anti-town third party, one of Mocsta/BM is probably mafia.
That's how I reached that conclusion. Town mocsta could totally have shot town decon, but I do see your logic. Why would town deconduo, knowing he was about to die, use janitor? Makes more sense from a mafia perspective. But yeah, Mafia Mcosta shooting town decon makes even less sense, unless they had a rolecop on him and accurately predicted he would use his power.
Rolecop results wouldn't have been back. Decon used janitor before he knew he was dying.
Really, this is pointless speculation that is clouding the thread just like vivax and geript
Waiting on Sinani and OO claims, although with 1 KP missing I'd like BM and Mocsta to hard-claim first (if they are reading right now, I know mocsta is on AUS time).
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The great thing about BM is that he has soft claimed JV, and you claimed to take JV so you're a VT.
So, if BM is JV, he has to shoot tonight. He'll either hit scum, or die. If he's alive tomorrow with no scum dead, then he's probably scum, and then either one of rayn/palmar was JV and the other was emperor, or yam was lying and is scum too.
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I'm still of the mind that the justice vigi stuff will play out as it plays out. It is a role that 100% proves itself. It is not worth worrying about.
Decon and caller are unknowns, and yeah, decon could still be mafia. We don't know. If he's mafia, mocsta almost certainly not. If he was town, mocsta could be mafia because...mafia ANYONE shooting townie anyone is never something that doesn't make sense. mocsta went and made a case on him just before deadline, shot him, so it makes perfect sense as any alignment, and decon's flip doesn't matter (if no janitor used, decon either flips mafia (I shot mafia guys!) or town (Oops, I really thought he was scum guys!)).
That list is fine, you've just been very vocal about mason logs and some other things today. People being masoned doesn't make them town. People seeming like townies in mason chat doesn't make them town. But us having the logs doesn't feel super duper important right at this moment.
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Yeah, so the list of people who are not confirmed town who we won't necessarily learn more about tonight/tomorrow are:
Sharrant Shelvocke OO Yamato (geript, but some people consider him confirmed town)
yamato honestly has been looking pretty townie, and vivax who I kinda wanted to lynch has a parity cop claim that should let us know more about him in the future. So I think we kill the top 3 on that list today? (lynch 2 shoot one?)
I'd very much like to see a sinani/OO role claim, probably OO first since sinani is confirmed green for now.
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we should not wait on bill murray to come back and claim, he'll just keep us all waiting because he is bill murray.
if he claims anything other than dreamflower at this point we just kill him.
but claims should proceed apace.
Sn0_man----------------- has not claimed yet, green check from austin obviousone-------------- has not claimed yet
Raynpelikoneet-------- didn't claim, died with no flip Sinani206---------------- has not claimed yet, green check from keirathi with invention
Visceraeyes------------ died, flipped scum NRA Geript--------------------- claimed VT, tried to pick NRA strongandbig----------- me! claimed detective with green check on Meapak
Caller----------------------- died with no flip, claimed Showtime! restraining order-------- claimed framer Meapak_ziphh--------- claimed AMERICA, nuked austin, green check from me
artanis[xp]---------------- died, flipped scum godfather assassin sharrant------------------- claimed VT, tried to take detective.
gonzaw------------------- died, flipped town JOAT Austinmcc---------------- claimed copycat-JOAT with green check on snoman, green check from keirathi Keirathi------------------- claimed NKVD agent with green check on austin; invention gave green check on sinani
Palmar------------------- died with no flip, didn't claim Mocsta-------------------- claimed one out of BC, capitalist, or normal vig, claimed kill on deconduo Shelvocke---------------- claimed VT, tried to pick Showtime!, faked dayvig
Deconduo---------------- claimed janitor, died with no flip, kill claimed by mocsta Vivax---------------------- claimed parity cop Oatmaster-------------- claimed recruiting mason billmurray--------------- claimed dreamflower Yamato77--------------- claimed VT who tried to pick dreamflower
Sinani, ObviousOne, and Sno-man you guys are next! They're the last ones remaining!
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where the hell did this idea that I have a "silent nuke" come from? Have any of you ever played with an america/russia role before? You have to type ##Nuke: Player into the thread. That's like literally the most basic shit I can think of, people who keep bringing it up are trying to obfuscate the conversation.
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also vivax has the weakest claim of all time.
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Shelvocke, can you explain why you decided to pick Showtime!
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On April 12 2013 05:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: also vivax has the weakest claim of all time.
nope shelvocke has the weakest claim of all time
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I'd kinda like to hear Mocsta's full roleclaim not "I'm one of BC/Vig/Capitalist" (and I don't think he is BC because he claimed the KP before the roleclaim )
However, with the amount of time left in teh day (6.5 hours I think) I'd be happy if sinani and OO just stepped up and claimed now. I'm not sure they are here though.
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Yeah they both have weak roleclaims but at least we can expect information to come from vivax's claim.
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On April 12 2013 05:25 Sn0_Man wrote:I'd kinda like to hear Mocsta's full roleclaim not "I'm one of BC/Vig/Capitalist" (and I don't think he is BC because he claimed the KP before the roleclaim ) However, with the amount of time left in teh day (6.5 hours I think) I'd be happy if sinani and OO just stepped up and claimed now. I'm not sure they are here though.
actually you're kind of right - claiming "i'm one of these roles" is pretty scummy since it gives him outs if people claim some of those roles later.
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On April 12 2013 05:32 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 05:25 Sn0_Man wrote:I'd kinda like to hear Mocsta's full roleclaim not "I'm one of BC/Vig/Capitalist" (and I don't think he is BC because he claimed the KP before the roleclaim ) However, with the amount of time left in teh day (6.5 hours I think) I'd be happy if sinani and OO just stepped up and claimed now. I'm not sure they are here though. actually you're kind of right - claiming "i'm one of these roles" is pretty scummy since it gives him outs if people claim some of those roles later. He also said he breadcrumbed it. I mean, maybe he breadcrumbed all 3, but it at least gives some credence to the fact that he was thinking about it before the mass-claim plan started.
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On April 12 2013 05:35 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 05:32 strongandbig wrote:On April 12 2013 05:25 Sn0_Man wrote:I'd kinda like to hear Mocsta's full roleclaim not "I'm one of BC/Vig/Capitalist" (and I don't think he is BC because he claimed the KP before the roleclaim ) However, with the amount of time left in teh day (6.5 hours I think) I'd be happy if sinani and OO just stepped up and claimed now. I'm not sure they are here though. actually you're kind of right - claiming "i'm one of these roles" is pretty scummy since it gives him outs if people claim some of those roles later. He also said he breadcrumbed it. I mean, maybe he breadcrumbed all 3, but it at least gives some credence to the fact that he was thinking about it before the mass-claim plan started. We'll see. It's possible that the crumbs are him noting he's gonna shoot someone. If he just crumbed the shot/KP, then it's still a scummy announcement, especially as one reason he seems to not want to claim is that BC could be lurking, when he wants to pretend he might be BC despite the fact that he almost certainly could not have known deconduo's role at that point in the game.
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On April 12 2013 05:37 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 05:35 Keirathi wrote:On April 12 2013 05:32 strongandbig wrote:On April 12 2013 05:25 Sn0_Man wrote:I'd kinda like to hear Mocsta's full roleclaim not "I'm one of BC/Vig/Capitalist" (and I don't think he is BC because he claimed the KP before the roleclaim ) However, with the amount of time left in teh day (6.5 hours I think) I'd be happy if sinani and OO just stepped up and claimed now. I'm not sure they are here though. actually you're kind of right - claiming "i'm one of these roles" is pretty scummy since it gives him outs if people claim some of those roles later. He also said he breadcrumbed it. I mean, maybe he breadcrumbed all 3, but it at least gives some credence to the fact that he was thinking about it before the mass-claim plan started. We'll see. It's possible that the crumbs are him noting he's gonna shoot someone. If he just crumbed the shot/KP, then it's still a scummy announcement, especially as one reason he seems to not want to claim is that BC could be lurking, when he wants to pretend he might be BC despite the fact that he almost certainly could not have known deconduo's role at that point in the game. Yes, but I found a post that I think is his crumb.
I hope he comes to clear it up soon, though.
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On April 12 2013 05:24 strongandbig wrote: Shelvocke, can you explain why you decided to pick Showtime!
It's the only role I get a bonus for that's actually not bad. Kind of nice to know if it's there or not in the game also. And I had a pretty low slot so I didn't think I could get anything good.
Trying to decide between ObviousOne and Vivax right now. If there's a green check on MZ, I guess that clears him.
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