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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
April 11 2013 18:44 GMT
#2941
On April 12 2013 03:42 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 03:41 Keirathi wrote:
On April 12 2013 03:38 yamato77 wrote:
LET'S LYNCH MEAPAK

No.

YES

He's not a threat today. He's not a threat tonight.

If he uses his nuke again tomorrow, kill him then. Or hell, someone kill him tonight. He's not a better lynch than OO or Sharrant, though.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 11 2013 18:45 GMT
#2942
On April 12 2013 03:42 austinmcc wrote:
If meapak were mafia he could have nuked D1 and didn't.

If meapak DOES have a silent nuke, it would have KILLED SOMEONE. Therefore, IF he had a silent nuke and used it, he killed either artanis or VE (the only people to die at the end of the day). They both flipped mafia. So IF there's a scary ol' silent nuke, it means he used it to kill mafia...

I don't terribly have a problem with someone thinking I was scum at the start of D2. I don't love my play up until that point, and could see nuking me if I were someone else. I don't find his play super anti-town in terms of nuke use except that he didn't check the thread a final time before posting what he'd been writing up.

What's he done today?

Seriously, the dude is LAZY MAFIA.

I've been saying it all game, and he's done absolutely fucking nothing.
Writer@WriterYamato
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 11 2013 18:46 GMT
#2943
Lol, you think I might be scum.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 11 2013 18:47 GMT
#2944
Austin, the point I was getting at, was the Personality 2 was recent enough so that his meta would be similar.

Look at his play, is it scum play or irritated town play?


Yamato, why do you think we dont want to post logs?
No gg, No skill.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 11 2013 18:48 GMT
#2945
You know yam, at some point (aka the beginning of tonight) somebody else is going to gain access to the Oats/M_Z/RO PM network. When that happens we can learn more about them. Until then, I'm really not in a rush to lynch M_Z because more info is on the way.

Players like OO and Sharrant though are not forthcoming with info, they are black boxes. Once they are out of the equation we can get down to business solving the game.

Plus after some thought I think they both have a decent chance at flipping scum.
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austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 11 2013 18:51 GMT
#2946
On April 12 2013 03:45 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 03:42 austinmcc wrote:
If meapak were mafia he could have nuked D1 and didn't.

If meapak DOES have a silent nuke, it would have KILLED SOMEONE. Therefore, IF he had a silent nuke and used it, he killed either artanis or VE (the only people to die at the end of the day). They both flipped mafia. So IF there's a scary ol' silent nuke, it means he used it to kill mafia...

I don't terribly have a problem with someone thinking I was scum at the start of D2. I don't love my play up until that point, and could see nuking me if I were someone else. I don't find his play super anti-town in terms of nuke use except that he didn't check the thread a final time before posting what he'd been writing up.

What's he done today?

Seriously, the dude is LAZY MAFIA.

I've been saying it all game, and he's done absolutely fucking nothing.
Here's the thing. Maybe he's lazy mafia. If he's mafia, he voluntarily just didn't shoot D1. That seems like a poor choice. That's something that I would flag as saying, "Hey...hold up. This guy looks like he might be mafia, but he used his role in an odd manner for someone who is mafia." I would second guess my read on him.

Then I would go, "Wait a minute, snb claimed a cop check on MZ." If snb is lying, he's taking a risk that there are no other whatever-cops above him on the chart. A small risk, but a risk. And maybe MZ is a gf, that's a possibility. But again, it's SOME/SLIGHT/DECENT evidence that MZ might not be mafia.

Then, there are a couple other players with LESS in their favor, imo. What has sharrant or shelvocke done that makes them less likely mafia than MZ? OO? Mocsta? geript? There are a boatload of players who have done very little today, almost ALL of us have done very little of consequence.

You are tunneled in on these little weird things and need to expand your view. You want or wanted to kill BM, despite claiming that you picked justice vigi and didn't get it. He seems like the only person who fits the bill, and that means that, if he's town, he's shooting at mafia, and if he's mafia, he's shooting at mafia or dying. If he's actually justice vigi, that is ACTUALLY the worst possible lynch you could come up with. So...quit being tunneled in. It hasn't served you particularly well in some recent games, and right now it's not doing you any good.
Fe fi fo fum.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 11 2013 18:54 GMT
#2947
OO I have my vote on.

Most of Sharrant comes across as very "clean" and thought out, but I'm not going to call him scum for that, because it doesn't seem like a strong heuristic. He could very well be town, but the fact that he defended Artanis AND VE is not a good thing.

On April 10 2013 23:40 Sharrant wrote:
Good morning, everyone.

I'm glad to see I was wrong about Artanis and VisceraEyes.

I'll be writing up a longer post in a minute but I wanted to ask two questions first:

If the role reverser were used on a justice vigi when they shot a mafia member, what would be the end result? Would both/either player live through the shot?

If the role reverser used his power on the janitor when the janitor did not use his power, would it activate or would the role reverser fizzle out because no action was taken by the janitor?


Do people actually say that kind of shit when they're wrong? It seems unnaturally complacent with this "pro-town" ideal he has going on in ihis filter.

On April 12 2013 00:18 Sharrant wrote:
I'm not particularly happy with any other lynch right now. I'd like to lynch StrongAndBig as things currently stand. Even his lynch has too many "what ifs" in my mind, but that's the lynch I'm most confident in, unless someone has proof that BM is not JusticeVigi.

I agree with the plan to claim from the bottom up, I'm just waiting until we get up to me. I'll do my best to check in on the thread throughout the day, because I don't want to slow the claims down. It seems to likely to me that scum don't have BC, but there's still the possibility that they do.

My votes will be on StrongAndBig, and my second vote will be on Austin. If someone has an anti-nuke to save him, I'll likely move my vote.


This is the only other thing that makes me want to lynch him.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 11 2013 18:58 GMT
#2948
On April 12 2013 03:51 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 03:45 yamato77 wrote:
On April 12 2013 03:42 austinmcc wrote:
If meapak were mafia he could have nuked D1 and didn't.

If meapak DOES have a silent nuke, it would have KILLED SOMEONE. Therefore, IF he had a silent nuke and used it, he killed either artanis or VE (the only people to die at the end of the day). They both flipped mafia. So IF there's a scary ol' silent nuke, it means he used it to kill mafia...

I don't terribly have a problem with someone thinking I was scum at the start of D2. I don't love my play up until that point, and could see nuking me if I were someone else. I don't find his play super anti-town in terms of nuke use except that he didn't check the thread a final time before posting what he'd been writing up.

What's he done today?

Seriously, the dude is LAZY MAFIA.

I've been saying it all game, and he's done absolutely fucking nothing.
Here's the thing. Maybe he's lazy mafia. If he's mafia, he voluntarily just didn't shoot D1. That seems like a poor choice. That's something that I would flag as saying, "Hey...hold up. This guy looks like he might be mafia, but he used his role in an odd manner for someone who is mafia." I would second guess my read on him.

Then I would go, "Wait a minute, snb claimed a cop check on MZ." If snb is lying, he's taking a risk that there are no other whatever-cops above him on the chart. A small risk, but a risk. And maybe MZ is a gf, that's a possibility. But again, it's SOME/SLIGHT/DECENT evidence that MZ might not be mafia.

Then, there are a couple other players with LESS in their favor, imo. What has sharrant or shelvocke done that makes them less likely mafia than MZ? OO? Mocsta? geript? There are a boatload of players who have done very little today, almost ALL of us have done very little of consequence.

You are tunneled in on these little weird things and need to expand your view. You want or wanted to kill BM, despite claiming that you picked justice vigi and didn't get it. He seems like the only person who fits the bill, and that means that, if he's town, he's shooting at mafia, and if he's mafia, he's shooting at mafia or dying. If he's actually justice vigi, that is ACTUALLY the worst possible lynch you could come up with. So...quit being tunneled in. It hasn't served you particularly well in some recent games, and right now it's not doing you any good.

I may appear tunneled, but in reality I'm just trying to work through some of the doubts I have about this game:

Mocsta and his shot
BM and his refusal to claim
Oats' entire play
M_Z and the mason circle
Sharrant
Shelvocke
Sinani and the check (GF?)
OO
Vivax
SnB
EVERY FLIP FROM NIGHT 1
RO

People I'm CONFIDENT that are town:
Geript
Sn0
Austin
Keirathi

You can see the discrepancy.
Writer@WriterYamato
Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
April 11 2013 19:01 GMT
#2949
Only have a half second for a phone post.

I am Eli Thompson, officer of the law, and vanilla townie after attempting to take detective.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 11 2013 19:02 GMT
#2950
Ok,
Something useful for you to do.

Explain what is scummy about my play, disregarding the obvious 180 on Sn0 unless you can tell me why that is scum motivated/something scum would do.
No gg, No skill.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 11 2013 19:03 GMT
#2951
On April 12 2013 03:58 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 03:51 austinmcc wrote:
On April 12 2013 03:45 yamato77 wrote:
On April 12 2013 03:42 austinmcc wrote:
If meapak were mafia he could have nuked D1 and didn't.

If meapak DOES have a silent nuke, it would have KILLED SOMEONE. Therefore, IF he had a silent nuke and used it, he killed either artanis or VE (the only people to die at the end of the day). They both flipped mafia. So IF there's a scary ol' silent nuke, it means he used it to kill mafia...

I don't terribly have a problem with someone thinking I was scum at the start of D2. I don't love my play up until that point, and could see nuking me if I were someone else. I don't find his play super anti-town in terms of nuke use except that he didn't check the thread a final time before posting what he'd been writing up.

What's he done today?

Seriously, the dude is LAZY MAFIA.

I've been saying it all game, and he's done absolutely fucking nothing.
Here's the thing. Maybe he's lazy mafia. If he's mafia, he voluntarily just didn't shoot D1. That seems like a poor choice. That's something that I would flag as saying, "Hey...hold up. This guy looks like he might be mafia, but he used his role in an odd manner for someone who is mafia." I would second guess my read on him.

Then I would go, "Wait a minute, snb claimed a cop check on MZ." If snb is lying, he's taking a risk that there are no other whatever-cops above him on the chart. A small risk, but a risk. And maybe MZ is a gf, that's a possibility. But again, it's SOME/SLIGHT/DECENT evidence that MZ might not be mafia.

Then, there are a couple other players with LESS in their favor, imo. What has sharrant or shelvocke done that makes them less likely mafia than MZ? OO? Mocsta? geript? There are a boatload of players who have done very little today, almost ALL of us have done very little of consequence.

You are tunneled in on these little weird things and need to expand your view. You want or wanted to kill BM, despite claiming that you picked justice vigi and didn't get it. He seems like the only person who fits the bill, and that means that, if he's town, he's shooting at mafia, and if he's mafia, he's shooting at mafia or dying. If he's actually justice vigi, that is ACTUALLY the worst possible lynch you could come up with. So...quit being tunneled in. It hasn't served you particularly well in some recent games, and right now it's not doing you any good.

I may appear tunneled, but in reality I'm just trying to work through some of the doubts I have about this game:

Mocsta and his shot
BM and his refusal to claim
Oats' entire play
M_Z and the mason circle
Sharrant
Shelvocke
Sinani and the check (GF?)
OO
Vivax
SnB
EVERY FLIP FROM NIGHT 1
RO

People I'm CONFIDENT that are town:
Geript
Sn0
Austin
Keirathi

You can see the discrepancy.

Now if I was to take things at face value ( like you guys suggest), then the only people I want to lynch into dwindles:

Shelvocke
Sharrant
OO

If 2/3 or 3/3 of the remaining mafia are among them, then yeah, you guys are obviously on the right track here, but you don't really need me to accomplish hunting them, do you? It's already done; I know they have a chance at being mafia, so I'm trying to pursue opinions on other people to get a more clear picture of the game that isn't "tunneled".
Writer@WriterYamato
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 11 2013 19:03 GMT
#2952
I really want to kill geript and yammo for just being annoying. Sadly I didn't take a KP role.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 11 2013 19:13 GMT
#2953
BM and Mocsta need to Hard claim.

After that, its Sinani right?

I'd be interested in a Sinani claim right now anyway.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 11 2013 19:15 GMT
#2954
More accurately, with 2 people left to claim we have at least 1 unclaimed KP last night (BM killed Caller, Moc killed decon, Rayn/Palmar just kinda died, presumably 1 to mafia factional KP, leaving 1 missing).
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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 11 2013 19:17 GMT
#2955
On April 12 2013 04:15 Sn0_Man wrote:
More accurately, with 2 people left to claim we have at least 1 unclaimed KP last night (BM killed Caller, Moc killed decon, Rayn/Palmar just kinda died, presumably 1 to mafia factional KP, leaving 1 missing).

You still haven't claimed...
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 11 2013 19:18 GMT
#2956
Out of anyone, you can reasonably assume that Palmar was shot, if BM is telling the truth.

ALTERNATIVELY, IF BM IS MAFIA

Caller could be town.

That's why he and Mocsta need to claim.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 11 2013 19:18 GMT
#2957
On April 12 2013 04:18 yamato77 wrote:
Out of anyone, you can reasonably assume that Palmar was shot, if BM is telling the truth.

ALTERNATIVELY, IF BM IS MAFIA

Caller could be town.

That's why he and Mocsta need to claim.

EBWOP:

Palmar was shot by mafia as the factional KP
Writer@WriterYamato
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 11 2013 19:19 GMT
#2958
Sharrant's claim lends weight to SnB's claim although it is also another "safe" claim in that he knows he can claim VT with it. However, claiming his character name is indicative of cooperation (though hosts sometimes provide fake character names to scum so...).

Doesn't really clear Sharrant but makes me more town-read on SnB.

(PS: I just realized that I make 3 people left to claim. Whatever. I know my role, as does austin, and I'd have claimed any KP I was responsible for)
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 11 2013 19:21 GMT
#2959
On April 12 2013 04:19 Sn0_Man wrote:
Sharrant's claim lends weight to SnB's claim although it is also another "safe" claim in that he knows he can claim VT with it. However, claiming his character name is indicative of cooperation (though hosts sometimes provide fake character names to scum so...).

Doesn't really clear Sharrant but makes me more town-read on SnB.

(PS: I just realized that I make 3 people left to claim. Whatever. I know my role, as does austin, and I'd have claimed any KP I was responsible for)

As a corollary, you have to claim before Austin dies.
Writer@WriterYamato
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 11 2013 19:21 GMT
#2960
On April 12 2013 04:18 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 04:18 yamato77 wrote:
Out of anyone, you can reasonably assume that Palmar was shot, if BM is telling the truth.

ALTERNATIVELY, IF BM IS MAFIA

Caller could be town.

That's why he and Mocsta need to claim.

EBWOP:

Palmar was shot by mafia as the factional KP


Okay, what happened to rayn? you think he was hider or something (with a pretty high pick )?
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