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On April 10 2013 23:34 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 23:32 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:24 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 23:21 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:18 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 23:15 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:11 seoul_kiM wrote:On April 10 2013 23:04 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 22:59 zimms wrote:
So the average casual SC2 viewer is a racist?
They don't care about Koreans because they don't know them and see no difference in skill. They also don't really know foreign players, but it's just less frightening to watch somebody with the same skin color.
Seriously? My girlfriend and I don't really care about most the the Korean players over members of EG that are in NA. There are exceptions, like Liquid Hero, MKP and Crank. But the rest, I could give two shits about. And that is why the pros and Blizzard could give two shits about you and your girlfriend. I don't understand why people don't want to see the best Starcraft 2 players in the world, regardless of where they are from, play? Exactly. Not to mention Life vs Flash at the last MLG broke viewer numbers. (even when these casuals don't even care to watch or know these 2 players) But there is the thing, there is no reason we can't have both. There is no reason why there can't be a local NA event and Flash vs Life. That is why people are complaining. Every time there looks like there is going to be an NA event for NA players who live in NA, the Koreans come over in mass. MGL did very well when there were no Koerans at it too. There is no reason why we can't have both. See, that's where you are wrong though. We DO have both. There has been a bunch of NA tournaments, filled with like 90% NA players, but nobody watches them. You, for instance, aren't even aware these tournaments exist........ so I don't even know what you are talking about.. I am sorry, do any of the EG players or teams I care about play in those? Are they sponsored and produced as a reasonable level. A bunch of amateur events are neat, but not thats not what we are talking about. There is no reason why we can't have a NA GSL that is off line, just like the GSL. Course. EG Masters, MSI masters, MLG exhibition matches, IPL showdowns last year, Day9's King of Beta tournaments..etc., and they are all very watchable. you ever watched any of them? Watched a whole bunch of the EG masters, MLG exhibitions and IPL show matches. Even King of the Beta. But I want more. I want an NA GSL that is offline and does not provide excepts for Korean players who want to qualify online. And I want it sooner, rather than later.
So you are already aware of these tournaments and you asked if there's any? You keep contradicting yourself..... Like someone already mentioned, you simply cannot fill an entire roster of NA players in that 32 man format, I don't think I can even list 10 notable NA players off the top of my head. You might as well just watch CSL.
And even if you manage to fill the 32 slots, who's gonna watch? I am pretty sure sc2 fans would still rather watch GSL over that. And raw casual viewers simply cannot sustain that kind of production.
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Also this kills proleague hopes for EG-TL. If all these players are coming to NA just to beat the easier NA players.... Eventually just going to be Koreans playing in the NA regionals.
I dunno if that's what the had in mind. But this is not going to grow esports. Catz said it and so have others. SC2 will be best if all regions were equally good. (meaning as good as Korea). But right now that isn't the case. And just importing koreans won't grow the scene. It will kill it for lesser players.
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On April 10 2013 23:29 Sjokola wrote:
I don't understand all the people who say they only want to see Koreans play because they are better. I wonder if these people don't support any local sports teams. Do they only watch Champions league? To me sports is all about supporting your local team/players and the stories and rivalries between the players.
In the Netherlands we have our football (soccer) league team FC Utrecht. It doesn't really matter to them how the season goes as long as they beat Ajax.
That's great. And Minigun will have plenty of opportunities to show he can beat Vibe (or NOT). But Utrecht fills a stadium of about 30.000 seats weekly (I believe) plus however many more tune in to watch the match on paytv.
Minigun probably has about 500 fans (and a LOT of Amerikuh fans when he plays a foreigner). Nobody outside of those fans is interested in his game against Vibe (well, add Vibe's fans to that as well of course). That is NOT enough to support a player and a tournament consisting largely of this kind of game will not be viewed by enough people, sponsors will complain and eSports hurts.
However, when Ajax plays against Real Madrid suddenly Englishmen and Germans are tuning into the champions league. Yes, Ajax invariably gets stomped, but suddenly FAR more people are interested despite being neither a real supporter of Ajax, Real Madrid or even belonging to either of those nations. The same happens in SC2: replace Vibe with Hero and suddenly Minigun vs. Hero will attract viewers, which attracts sponsors. Sure, 99% of those games will end in Minigun getting stomped, but the 1% where an upset happens gain Minigun FAR more exposure and fans than playing against Vibe any number of times.
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On April 10 2013 23:38 dacimvrl wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 23:34 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 23:32 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:24 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 23:21 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:18 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 23:15 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:11 seoul_kiM wrote:On April 10 2013 23:04 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 22:59 zimms wrote:
So the average casual SC2 viewer is a racist?
They don't care about Koreans because they don't know them and see no difference in skill. They also don't really know foreign players, but it's just less frightening to watch somebody with the same skin color.
Seriously? My girlfriend and I don't really care about most the the Korean players over members of EG that are in NA. There are exceptions, like Liquid Hero, MKP and Crank. But the rest, I could give two shits about. And that is why the pros and Blizzard could give two shits about you and your girlfriend. I don't understand why people don't want to see the best Starcraft 2 players in the world, regardless of where they are from, play? Exactly. Not to mention Life vs Flash at the last MLG broke viewer numbers. (even when these casuals don't even care to watch or know these 2 players) But there is the thing, there is no reason we can't have both. There is no reason why there can't be a local NA event and Flash vs Life. That is why people are complaining. Every time there looks like there is going to be an NA event for NA players who live in NA, the Koreans come over in mass. MGL did very well when there were no Koerans at it too. There is no reason why we can't have both. See, that's where you are wrong though. We DO have both. There has been a bunch of NA tournaments, filled with like 90% NA players, but nobody watches them. You, for instance, aren't even aware these tournaments exist........ so I don't even know what you are talking about.. I am sorry, do any of the EG players or teams I care about play in those? Are they sponsored and produced as a reasonable level. A bunch of amateur events are neat, but not thats not what we are talking about. There is no reason why we can't have a NA GSL that is off line, just like the GSL. Course. EG Masters, MSI masters, MLG exhibition matches, IPL showdowns last year, Day9's King of Beta tournaments..etc., and they are all very watchable. you ever watched any of them? Watched a whole bunch of the EG masters, MLG exhibitions and IPL show matches. Even King of the Beta. But I want more. I want an NA GSL that is offline and does not provide excepts for Korean players who want to qualify online. And I want it sooner, rather than later. So you are already aware of these tournaments and you asked if there's any? You keep contradicting yourself..... Like someone already mentioned, you simply cannot fill an entire roster of NA players in that 32 man format, I don't think I can even list 10 notable NA players off the top of my head. You might as well just watch CSL.
To be fair, I cannot as well, but that is because I am not part of the NA community. I can probably list the names of two dozen european players the average joe on NA has never heard of though.
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pretty sure it should be Complexity'theSTC btw
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i think most of the eu players dont even want to practice like a korean. They like to have options and do their studies at the same time and enjoy their freedom.
I dont know if people that get by that way pretty well are willing to professionalize to that extend.
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On April 10 2013 23:38 Ravensong170 wrote:
Also this kills proleague hopes for EG-TL. If all these players are coming to NA just to beat the easier NA players.... Eventually just going to be Koreans playing in the NA regionals.
I dunno if that's what the had in mind. But this is not going to grow esports. Catz said it and so have others. SC2 will be best if all regions were equally good. (meaning as good as Korea). But right now that isn't the case. And just importing koreans won't grow the scene. It will kill it for lesser players.
i don't see how this affects EG-TL in PL, they only need to jet off for a weekend tournament every few months haha
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On April 10 2013 23:38 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 23:29 Sjokola wrote:
I don't understand all the people who say they only want to see Koreans play because they are better. I wonder if these people don't support any local sports teams. Do they only watch Champions league? To me sports is all about supporting your local team/players and the stories and rivalries between the players.
In the Netherlands we have our football (soccer) league team FC Utrecht. It doesn't really matter to them how the season goes as long as they beat Ajax. That's great. And Minigun will have plenty of opportunities to show he can beat Vibe (or NOT). But Utrecht fills a stadium of about 30.000 seats weekly (I believe) plus however many more tune in to watch the match on paytv. Minigun probably has about 500 fans (and a LOT of Amerikuh fans when he plays a foreigner). Nobody outside of those fans is interested in his game against Vibe (well, add Vibe's fans to that as well of course). That is NOT enough to support a player and a tournament consisting largely of this kind of game will not be viewed by enough people, sponsors will complain and eSports hurts. However, when Ajax plays against Real Madrid suddenly Englishmen and Germans are tuning into the champions league. Yes, Ajax invariably gets stomped, but suddenly FAR more people are interested despite being neither a real supporter of Ajax, Real Madrid or even belonging to either of those nations. The same happens in SC2: replace Vibe with Hero and suddenly Minigun vs. Hero will attract viewers, which attracts sponsors. Sure, 99% of those games will end in Minigun getting stomped, but the 1% where an upset happens gain Minigun FAR more exposure and fans than playing against Vibe any number of times.
Ajax is no German team.
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oh come on this is just stupid. I dont wanna watch the na scene that has nothing but koreans in it, otherwise I would focus on the korean scene. Imagine how stupid it would be if all the nba basketball players moved to spain. Or if the fucking american football players all moved to canada. Wheres the appeal in that?
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On April 10 2013 23:35 Cattlecruiser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 23:01 Benjamin99 wrote:On April 10 2013 23:01 Cattlecruiser wrote:NA looks like there are bit too many Korean B teamers in it. However, this isn't the death of the NA scene like many seem to think. The number of Koreans is a direct result of using GSL Code A & S for WCS Korea. If Korean players outside of Code A &S had the chance to qualify for the current season it would be a different story. Whatever the reason, this isn't what Blizzard imagined when they made the structure. On April 10 2013 22:20 Benjamin99 wrote:On April 10 2013 22:15 syllogism wrote:On April 10 2013 22:07 Champloo wrote:
This is so stupid, why didn't they just make it based on nationality like the last WCS?
At least Europe will have mainly European players in it, but NA is not even worth watching for me now, and I would definitely be pissed if I was a NA pro player. That's funny, because I was thinking that NA WCS wouldn't be worth watching with the region lock in place. In addition, NA pro players have no right to be pissed given that all Blizzard is doing is adding a few leagues with big prize pools; it is objectively an improvement from their pespective. Only for code S Koreans the structure may be worse than the current one. Well I'm sure the NA players is happy that you syllogism and you elitist attitude is going to watch. ps I´´ll take 1 casual fan over 10 of you any day of the week because casual fans grows the scene while you just spawn elitist crap and complain about how bad the casters are. Hahaha. Wow. "elitist" lol. Lmao. I'm not a Republican or conservative in any sense, but your so called "anti-elitist" thing is the most laughable thing I've ever read. Should I step on my shoes and give them to you? Maybe you should have my cars and my house you can live in that too. I'm sorry I can appreciate higher level of play, and don't think watching players marginally better than me is entertaining. Yea because that attitude really grew the western BW scene right? I'm wondering how many casual fans and women actually saw BW and no lolita dolls doesn't count Starcraft is never going to be a "sport" like Football, Baseball, Soccer, or Hockey. Blizzard/any tournament is never going to be the NFL, MLB, NBA, or NHL. Sorry I don't speak geek, but wtf is a lolita doll? NA scene is stronger than in BW. Mainly due to western teams buying eSF players instead of KeSPA hoarding all the talent. Young talent will come out from NA/EU but it will never be the quality or the quantity of Koreans. It is like other countries trying to catch up to the US in American Football or Basketball. I guess elitist attitude and refining the game for bigger, stronger, and faster players to thrive in "ruined" those games too. LMFAO. ![[image loading]](http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lr66auQjDJ1qit63to1_500.jpg)
There are more foreign players in the NBA now hten there have ever been because other countries have started taking basketball seriously and developed their own national leagues, because of that it has become viable for a person to play and practice basketball for a living. That means that more of them have been able to get into the NBA because even though the NBA players on the whole are better then that players country, they now have the means to become as good as NBA players.
God how is this is so hard for people to understand ?
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On April 10 2013 23:40 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 23:38 Ravensong170 wrote:
Also this kills proleague hopes for EG-TL. If all these players are coming to NA just to beat the easier NA players.... Eventually just going to be Koreans playing in the NA regionals.
I dunno if that's what the had in mind. But this is not going to grow esports. Catz said it and so have others. SC2 will be best if all regions were equally good. (meaning as good as Korea). But right now that isn't the case. And just importing koreans won't grow the scene. It will kill it for lesser players. i don't see how this affects EG-TL in PL, they only need to jet off for a weekend tournament every few months haha
Well at this point they can't afford to lose a single match because of jet lag, they're done. So I guess at least for this season it's kinda true.
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On April 10 2013 23:37 Enchanted wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 23:26 Acrofales wrote:On April 10 2013 23:09 CoR wrote:On April 10 2013 23:08 Acrofales wrote:On April 10 2013 22:47 Benjamin99 wrote:On April 10 2013 22:44 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 22:42 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 22:40 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 22:34 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 22:31 mordk wrote:
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One tournament hardly means anything. For every case I can remember except WCS EU finals, tournaments heavily benefited in terms of viewer counts with the presence of KR players. No one is saying a few Korean players wouldn't be fine. Polt and Violet would be totally ok. But the top 16 shouldn't be Korean for an NA league, where the rules for NA players trying for the Korean league require them to be in Korea. Viewers or not, it is BS for the any player in NA who has been putting in any serious effort. The koreans are comming here for easy money because they are allowed qualify and play online. If they were required to play off line, in a studio, we should very few, if any. I welcome this. I honestly would rather watch top 16 filled w/ decent koreans like on the list. If I really wanted to watch some NA/EU master/gm noobs play, I would just watch my own replays... Yeah, well half my friends and girlfriend disagree. They couldn't give two shits about Korean players except MKP and Liquid Hero. That is like 10 viewer that will not be interested in this WCS if it is all Koreans. awesome, a whopping total of 10 viewers!! like Acrofales said, who would rather watch minigun vs catz when you can watch herO vs aLive. Please take you trolling elsewhere may I suggest Reddit On April 10 2013 22:46 Tobblish wrote:On April 10 2013 22:42 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 22:40 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 22:34 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 22:31 mordk wrote:
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One tournament hardly means anything. For every case I can remember except WCS EU finals, tournaments heavily benefited in terms of viewer counts with the presence of KR players. No one is saying a few Korean players wouldn't be fine. Polt and Violet would be totally ok. But the top 16 shouldn't be Korean for an NA league, where the rules for NA players trying for the Korean league require them to be in Korea. Viewers or not, it is BS for the any player in NA who has been putting in any serious effort. The koreans are comming here for easy money because they are allowed qualify and play online. If they were required to play off line, in a studio, we should very few, if any. I welcome this. I honestly would rather watch top 16 filled w/ decent koreans like on the list. If I really wanted to watch some NA/EU master/gm noobs play, I would just watch my own replays... Yeah, well half my friends and girlfriend disagree. They couldn't give two shits about Korean players except MKP and Liquid Hero. That is like 10 viewer that will not be interested in this WCS if it is all Koreans. I wonder why those 10 people don't like to watch Koreans instead of Americans. Racists people I bet. Yes 90% fans of Starcraft are all racist you got us. On April 10 2013 22:47 plasemeious wrote:On April 10 2013 22:33 EleanorRIgby wrote:
wtf with this region mean nothing, it is not WCS NA. They should just region lock it or the NA scene will shrink rather then grow. People are already tired of watching korean vs korean everything and want some country/continent only tournaments. I never understood this. I always preferred to see the better players playing as opposed to worse foreigners playing Ask a Malaga fan why he don't support Barcelona in football when they clearly got the best players. Welcome to the world of sports Are there Malaga fans outside of Malaga? Except for the economic fugitives from Spain's impoverished south, I doubt it. Yet Barcelona is one of the most popular football clubs in the world. If Malaga plays against Levante, only Spaniards care (and ony a few of them). If Barcelona plays against Man U. half of the football-loving world tunes in (from Brazil to Japan). I wonder which market Blizzard is more interested in? Now of course you can say that Barcelona and Man U. only have that extraordinary selection of talent BECAUSE of teams like Malaga (or more likely Flamengos or Boca Juniors), but then we enter into another realm of discussion: how should eSports be promoted and encouraged to grow. Blizzard clearly thinks that putting the Barcelonas and Man U.'s in the spotlight will encourage more tournaments to give the Levantes of this world a chance, because sponsors are attracted, etc. etc. (trickle-down effect). People here seem to think that the grass-roots approach is better. I don't know, but I am sure that Blizzard has some clever market analysts working on it and they came up with this model, so lets try trusting them, hey? In the meantime, we get to watch great games instead of a failure where the only exciting question is whether Idra bombs out in the first or second round. AND STILL, as malaga fan you dont care anyone as much as malaga and so is it with pros, you have "your" players you love and like them more, if spanish league says "no more league just showmatches between topteams and then more championleague games etc" its good for alot guys alot love top games but your pissed as fuck ... ps: as bvb fan i love malaga quotes xD And that's where the opinions differ. You seem to think it is Blizzard's job to create national leagues. Blizzard sees it as their job to create the Champions League. They tried the national league approach last year and it clearly didn't work as well as they had hoped. In the Spanish league there are enough fans of the local teams to sustain them at a professional level. Unfortunately for eSports, there are not (yet) enough fans of the Miniguns, Vibes and Insurs of this world to sustain them at a professional level. So now Blizzard has decided to promote eSports in a different way. Whether it will work, we don't know yet. But I am quite confident that with players like Hero, aLive and Nestea in the American WCS, it will have more vieweres than the WCS NA event last year (which was a complete failure). What more could they want ? WCS EU was like the most watched tournament last year. How the hell can you do better then that ?
Dreamhack!
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On April 10 2013 23:38 dacimvrl wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 23:34 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 23:32 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:24 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 23:21 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:18 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 23:15 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:11 seoul_kiM wrote:On April 10 2013 23:04 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 22:59 zimms wrote:
So the average casual SC2 viewer is a racist?
They don't care about Koreans because they don't know them and see no difference in skill. They also don't really know foreign players, but it's just less frightening to watch somebody with the same skin color.
Seriously? My girlfriend and I don't really care about most the the Korean players over members of EG that are in NA. There are exceptions, like Liquid Hero, MKP and Crank. But the rest, I could give two shits about. And that is why the pros and Blizzard could give two shits about you and your girlfriend. I don't understand why people don't want to see the best Starcraft 2 players in the world, regardless of where they are from, play? Exactly. Not to mention Life vs Flash at the last MLG broke viewer numbers. (even when these casuals don't even care to watch or know these 2 players) But there is the thing, there is no reason we can't have both. There is no reason why there can't be a local NA event and Flash vs Life. That is why people are complaining. Every time there looks like there is going to be an NA event for NA players who live in NA, the Koreans come over in mass. MGL did very well when there were no Koerans at it too. There is no reason why we can't have both. See, that's where you are wrong though. We DO have both. There has been a bunch of NA tournaments, filled with like 90% NA players, but nobody watches them. You, for instance, aren't even aware these tournaments exist........ so I don't even know what you are talking about.. I am sorry, do any of the EG players or teams I care about play in those? Are they sponsored and produced as a reasonable level. A bunch of amateur events are neat, but not thats not what we are talking about. There is no reason why we can't have a NA GSL that is off line, just like the GSL. Course. EG Masters, MSI masters, MLG exhibition matches, IPL showdowns last year, Day9's King of Beta tournaments..etc., and they are all very watchable. you ever watched any of them? Watched a whole bunch of the EG masters, MLG exhibitions and IPL show matches. Even King of the Beta. But I want more. I want an NA GSL that is offline and does not provide excepts for Korean players who want to qualify online. And I want it sooner, rather than later. So you are already aware of these tournaments and you asked if there's any? You keep contradicting yourself..... Like someone already mentioned, you simply cannot fill an entire roster of NA players in that 32 man format, I don't think I can even list 10 notable NA players off the top of my head. You might as well just watch CSL.
Those aren't tournament. One is a team league and the others are show matches. And you do know the WCS is going to be offline in the near future. From what Incontrol was saying on Inside the Game, as soon as Blizzard can make it offline. After that, the Korean players will have to live in NA to play in the events, which at that point I don't care. But this whole thing where Korean players get to qualify online for their WCS, while everyone else needs to come and live in Korean for their WSC is BS.
And the reason you don't know about 10 notable NA players is the same reason I can't name 10 notable EU players.
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No jaedong in GSL or OSL this year....sigh. At least now it's more likely to see more of his games....i guess >_>
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On April 10 2013 23:40 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 23:38 Ravensong170 wrote:
Also this kills proleague hopes for EG-TL. If all these players are coming to NA just to beat the easier NA players.... Eventually just going to be Koreans playing in the NA regionals.
I dunno if that's what the had in mind. But this is not going to grow esports. Catz said it and so have others. SC2 will be best if all regions were equally good. (meaning as good as Korea). But right now that isn't the case. And just importing koreans won't grow the scene. It will kill it for lesser players. i don't see how this affects EG-TL in PL, they only need to jet off for a weekend tournament every few months haha
Wrong, it's two weeks on both NA and EU. Heck, you even made the OP for it! :o
http://www.esfiworld.com/wcs-america-europe-formats-detailed-invited-players-to-be-announced-april-12th/
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On April 10 2013 23:41 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 23:38 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:34 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 23:32 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:24 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 23:21 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:18 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 23:15 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:11 seoul_kiM wrote:On April 10 2013 23:04 Plansix wrote:
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My girlfriend and I don't really care about most the the Korean players over members of EG that are in NA. There are exceptions, like Liquid Hero, MKP and Crank. But the rest, I could give two shits about. And that is why the pros and Blizzard could give two shits about you and your girlfriend. I don't understand why people don't want to see the best Starcraft 2 players in the world, regardless of where they are from, play? Exactly. Not to mention Life vs Flash at the last MLG broke viewer numbers. (even when these casuals don't even care to watch or know these 2 players) But there is the thing, there is no reason we can't have both. There is no reason why there can't be a local NA event and Flash vs Life. That is why people are complaining. Every time there looks like there is going to be an NA event for NA players who live in NA, the Koreans come over in mass. MGL did very well when there were no Koerans at it too. There is no reason why we can't have both. See, that's where you are wrong though. We DO have both. There has been a bunch of NA tournaments, filled with like 90% NA players, but nobody watches them. You, for instance, aren't even aware these tournaments exist........ so I don't even know what you are talking about.. I am sorry, do any of the EG players or teams I care about play in those? Are they sponsored and produced as a reasonable level. A bunch of amateur events are neat, but not thats not what we are talking about. There is no reason why we can't have a NA GSL that is off line, just like the GSL. Course. EG Masters, MSI masters, MLG exhibition matches, IPL showdowns last year, Day9's King of Beta tournaments..etc., and they are all very watchable. you ever watched any of them? Watched a whole bunch of the EG masters, MLG exhibitions and IPL show matches. Even King of the Beta. But I want more. I want an NA GSL that is offline and does not provide excepts for Korean players who want to qualify online. And I want it sooner, rather than later. So you are already aware of these tournaments and you asked if there's any? You keep contradicting yourself..... Like someone already mentioned, you simply cannot fill an entire roster of NA players in that 32 man format, I don't think I can even list 10 notable NA players off the top of my head. You might as well just watch CSL. Those aren't tournament. One is a team league and the others are show matches. And you do know the WCS is going to be offline in the near future. From what Incontrol was saying on Inside the Game, as soon as Blizzard can make it offline. After that, the Korean players will have to live in NA to play in the events, which at that point I don't care. But this whole thing where Korean players get to qualify online for their WCS, while everyone else needs to come and live in Korean for their WSC is BS. And the reason you don't know about 10 notable NA players is the same reason I can't name 10 notable EU players.
You guys watch too little starcraft, I can name 10 of each ezpz, like 30 KRs and I'm not from any of these continents.
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On April 10 2013 23:35 Cattlecruiser wrote:
Sorry I don't speak geek, but wtf is a lolita doll?
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Eve
On April 10 2013 23:34 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 23:32 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:24 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 23:21 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:18 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 23:15 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:11 seoul_kiM wrote:On April 10 2013 23:04 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 22:59 zimms wrote:
So the average casual SC2 viewer is a racist?
They don't care about Koreans because they don't know them and see no difference in skill. They also don't really know foreign players, but it's just less frightening to watch somebody with the same skin color.
Seriously? My girlfriend and I don't really care about most the the Korean players over members of EG that are in NA. There are exceptions, like Liquid Hero, MKP and Crank. But the rest, I could give two shits about. And that is why the pros and Blizzard could give two shits about you and your girlfriend. I don't understand why people don't want to see the best Starcraft 2 players in the world, regardless of where they are from, play? Exactly. Not to mention Life vs Flash at the last MLG broke viewer numbers. (even when these casuals don't even care to watch or know these 2 players) But there is the thing, there is no reason we can't have both. There is no reason why there can't be a local NA event and Flash vs Life. That is why people are complaining. Every time there looks like there is going to be an NA event for NA players who live in NA, the Koreans come over in mass. MGL did very well when there were no Koerans at it too. There is no reason why we can't have both. See, that's where you are wrong though. We DO have both. There has been a bunch of NA tournaments, filled with like 90% NA players, but nobody watches them. You, for instance, aren't even aware these tournaments exist........ so I don't even know what you are talking about.. I am sorry, do any of the EG players or teams I care about play in those? Are they sponsored and produced as a reasonable level. A bunch of amateur events are neat, but not thats not what we are talking about. There is no reason why we can't have a NA GSL that is off line, just like the GSL. Course. EG Masters, MSI masters, MLG exhibition matches, IPL showdowns last year, Day9's King of Beta tournaments..etc., and they are all very watchable. you ever watched any of them? Watched a whole bunch of the EG masters, MLG exhibitions and IPL show matches. Even King of the Beta. But I want more. I want an NA GSL that is offline and does not provide excepts for Korean players who want to qualify online. And I want it sooner, rather than later.
GSL stands for Global StarCraft2 League. I can't see the need for two global leagues.
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On April 10 2013 22:50 JustPassingBy wrote:
I bet Goody is disappointed that MVP decided to compete in Europe, while Nestea moves to NA.
Well, he has a 100% Win-ratio against GSL-winning-terrans, so he probably does´nt mind. In general I think Europe is going to be fine, top euros can compete with koreans on neutral ground; if the games get played on EU Server, players like MaNa/Stephano/LucifroN/ some others should be favored against pretty much everyone playing from KR.
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On April 10 2013 23:41 Enchanted wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 23:35 Cattlecruiser wrote:On April 10 2013 23:01 Benjamin99 wrote:On April 10 2013 23:01 Cattlecruiser wrote:NA looks like there are bit too many Korean B teamers in it. However, this isn't the death of the NA scene like many seem to think. The number of Koreans is a direct result of using GSL Code A & S for WCS Korea. If Korean players outside of Code A &S had the chance to qualify for the current season it would be a different story. Whatever the reason, this isn't what Blizzard imagined when they made the structure. On April 10 2013 22:20 Benjamin99 wrote:On April 10 2013 22:15 syllogism wrote:On April 10 2013 22:07 Champloo wrote:
This is so stupid, why didn't they just make it based on nationality like the last WCS?
At least Europe will have mainly European players in it, but NA is not even worth watching for me now, and I would definitely be pissed if I was a NA pro player. That's funny, because I was thinking that NA WCS wouldn't be worth watching with the region lock in place. In addition, NA pro players have no right to be pissed given that all Blizzard is doing is adding a few leagues with big prize pools; it is objectively an improvement from their pespective. Only for code S Koreans the structure may be worse than the current one. Well I'm sure the NA players is happy that you syllogism and you elitist attitude is going to watch. ps I´´ll take 1 casual fan over 10 of you any day of the week because casual fans grows the scene while you just spawn elitist crap and complain about how bad the casters are. Hahaha. Wow. "elitist" lol. Lmao. I'm not a Republican or conservative in any sense, but your so called "anti-elitist" thing is the most laughable thing I've ever read. Should I step on my shoes and give them to you? Maybe you should have my cars and my house you can live in that too. I'm sorry I can appreciate higher level of play, and don't think watching players marginally better than me is entertaining. Yea because that attitude really grew the western BW scene right? I'm wondering how many casual fans and women actually saw BW and no lolita dolls doesn't count Starcraft is never going to be a "sport" like Football, Baseball, Soccer, or Hockey. Blizzard/any tournament is never going to be the NFL, MLB, NBA, or NHL. Sorry I don't speak geek, but wtf is a lolita doll? NA scene is stronger than in BW. Mainly due to western teams buying eSF players instead of KeSPA hoarding all the talent. Young talent will come out from NA/EU but it will never be the quality or the quantity of Koreans. It is like other countries trying to catch up to the US in American Football or Basketball. I guess elitist attitude and refining the game for bigger, stronger, and faster players to thrive in "ruined" those games too. LMFAO. There are more foreign players in the NBA now hten there have ever been because other countries have started taking basketball seriously and developed their own national leagues, because of that it has become viable for a person to play and practice basketball for a living. That means that more of them have been able to get into the NBA because even though the NBA players on the whole are better then that players country, they now have the means to become as good as NBA players. God how is this is so hard for people to understand ?
Tunnel vision. Some people just want to see the best of the best and don't care if the foreign scene comes to fruition. I'd be interested to see a poll added to the OP to see what the majority of people on TL actually feel about this; because as it stands both sides think the other side is the minority.
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