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United States525 Posts
Rainbows, in an immediate response, all I have to do is look at the above post.
On April 10 2013 01:26 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 01:04 Rainbows wrote:
Well I'm pretty convinced you're scum, TRN. I'm still waiting for something original from you, baby. Thats okay. I'm still convinced your scum too, if nothing else your current decision on how to play is hurting you more than your blueclaim is helping. I just realize no one wants to listen to me about you anyways.Everyone except Smancer and Moloch wants to listen to obzy too much to actually care.
He votes Moloch because he can't kill you because I'm stopping him. You think I'd somehow disapprove of this? >.>
Besides, he's sort of right. I'm not convinced you're scum, but your current decision on how to play IS hurting you, it's just not hurting you more than I think you're town. I disagree with him, but I think that he's acting logically under the circumstances.
Your case is basically just a continued tunnel on Ravens. If all Ravens has done is tunnel you, all you have done is tunnel Ravens, since your case on him on day 1, other than occasionally speaking up to defend yourself or be chatty. I had hoped that you'd promote a pro-town atmosphere since I knew after the beginning of day1 that you would be capable of it, but after I left yesterday, (or maybe the day before?) the thread lasted for a couple posts of bickering between you and Ravens and then stopped. I'm tired of it. Ravens deciding to take a step away does NOT make him scum in my eyes. I get the impression that you specifically will not vote Moloch because you think Ravens is scum, not because of the arguments against or for him.
Smancer just posted - conspiracy theory aside, I would like to see a defense of Moloch if people don't want to lynch him, not just apathy. I think the arguments against him are pretty good right now, but I'm always willing to listen to politely worded opinions, particularly when backed up with evidence.
I don't think Ravens is a good lynch today. Maybe tomorrow or something, but not today. I would be pleased to see you, Rainbows, drop your tunnel on him for one damn day. If we lynch the mafia roleblocker, feel free to shoot him. I can't stop you there, and it 100% will confirm you if there are two kills in a night. You mention that you think Warent is a possible second scum - could we hear your thoughts on this?
And who do you think is scummier, between Moloch and kirby? Please do not look at the fact that Ravens is voting Moloch and dismiss it out of hand, judge the case on its own merits.
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On April 10 2013 02:02 TheRavensName wrote:
Rainbows, I've posted my logic and evidence so many times. You don't even pay attention to it. Why the fuck should I waste the time to consolidate it all over again? I'll just get called out for focusing on you. I'm not falling for it.
I've asked you many times to prove where I lied, and to give me stuff that is hard evidence as opposed to wifom and bad logic.
if you were convinced i was scum, you'd have a decent case building by now.
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On April 10 2013 00:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 00:21 Warent wrote:
Back from work, was in a meeting the whole day, couldn't do much. Sadly need to leave soon again but I'll back in a few hours.
I'll just say that I'm extremely curious how you get this into me twisting Rains words when that what was I was calling Rain out for. Rainbow was right in that Saraf was basically saying that "we should lynch you whether you are scum or not". And it did seem like Saraf thought Rainbows was town even if he said the words "Even if you are" as opposed to "Probably are". That's just nitpicking words and harping on semantics.
It amazes me that you chooses to bring that bullshit up again.
For reference I put the original post in spoilers. Anyone capable of reading knows I'm right about this, shouldn't really be any need to discuss this further but you did just rose highly on my scum-read meter.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 05 2013 11:57 Saraf wrote:glhf Can we vote for a no-lynch in this game, or must votes be placed on individuals?Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 09:28 Rainbows wrote:
Okay enough guys.
##Unvote
Anyone who's here right now I want to give me their opinions on a statement.
--- I don't want to talk about policy. You can policy me this or policy me that, or raise me a lynch-all-liar policy, but I don't want to hear it. Your policy is your own. Enact it when you see fit, if at all. Don't spew it in the thread incessantly to act like you're contributing or it's the 'must-do' in a mafia game.
If you want to override this and go on with it, fine with me. Whatever you feel is best. Not talking policy Day 1 is bullshit. Scum know who scum are but we don't, and the only way we catch scum is by making them fuck up. Even if the policy ends up being "there is no policy", the debate drives conversation and conversation is the only reliable way we have of rooting out scum and eliminating them. Problems arise for town when scum derails the conversation, so here's some day 1 policy to chew on: In the absence of really strong reads, lynch the spammiest asshole who shits up the thread the most. Spamming the thread is a scum tactic to distract and disrupt town; even if the spammiest asshole is just some poor well-meaning fattie (who should have applied the litmus test "does this post help town?"), at the very least in Day 2 the thread will be less shit up, and it'll be easier to find scum without him shitting up the thread.
Reading through Kirbys filter he comes out very townie to me. The only "weird" post were he provided reads on everyone - but I believe that was a response to us asking him to elaborate further on his early "mystery" read. Other than that most of his actions makes sense from my perspective.
I'll re-read the case against Moloch and take a closer look at his filter.
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Jarjar just keeps bringing up stuff from forever ago. Like me voting for ravens: I did that because at the time there was no one I had more of a scumread on. This is my first game of mafia here. Are you going to vote for me because my first vote on the first half first day turned out insubstantial and I retracted it? Me being suspicious of jampi - 1) I never voted for him. 2) I was clear on the fact I had no evidence. Why try to get me on that? Jarjar, your case is worthless.
Obzy - why might you vote for me? I'm sure you'd have a much better case than jarjar if you presented it.
I'm going to come back in several hours and probably vote for one of these four - smancer - jarjar - warent - theravensname. in that order of suspicion.
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Hi, nobodywonder here, I'll be here for about 30-45 minutes before I head to class. I'll be available from in about 3hrs then and get ready for the ultimate lynch then. So now I'll be rereading and taking questions.
First thing, Warent, how did you read jrkirby as town? What kind of townie is he then?
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jkirby. You haven't posted a case against me. You said you would vote if you think town was behind you.
Literally this is your case against me.
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On April 08 2013 09:28 jrkirby wrote:
I guess my reads now are smancer, jarjar, and fishgle.
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On April 09 2013 14:30 jrkirby wrote:
Smancer smells bad to me. I will vote for him if I think that the town is on my side.
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On April 10 2013 03:27 jrkirby wrote:
I'm going to come back in several hours and probably vote for one of these four - smancer - jarjar - warent - theravensname. in that order of suspicion.
Holy shit great case bro.
Lets see your filter. Hmm never has posted an analysis on a single person. Literally HALF of your last 24 posts are one liners contributing nothing.
You are wasting time. There is 5 hours before a lynch and you haven't made a case, yet you have been here posting garbage reads. So you will come back and post a vote in a few hours? Wow way to help the town. Do you not understand that we need to find scum? Do you not understand that if you really think someone is scum you need to try to get the rest of the town to be convinced?
Saying I smell bad is doing none of that.
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ok, rereading the thread, and things that have happened since yesterday, i have to say now moloch looks a lot more scummy...good cases guys. now just need to see how moloch defends himself.
btw jrkirby who are your scumreads. besides jjd, whos been attacking?
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Oh and WTF is this?
On April 09 2013 14:30 jrkirby wrote:
I have a strong townread on obzy. The only reason I ever didn't was when he was defending rainbows and I thought rainbows was scum.
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I might be ok lynching moloch but I don't have a good read on him either way. If someone presents a good case I'll think about it.
Ok your strong townread Obzy just posted a case against Moloch. Did his town vote summary swing you so much that now he isn't even on your suspect list?
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On April 10 2013 03:27 jrkirby wrote:
Jarjar just keeps bringing up stuff from forever ago. Like me voting for ravens: I did that because at the time there was no one I had more of a scumread on. This is my first game of mafia here. Are you going to vote for me because my first vote on the first half first day turned out insubstantial and I retracted it? I assume you mean rainbows? And it wasn't the "first half of the first day" that I'm all that concerned with. You posted a whole case against me, Rainbows, and Ozby @ the end of the day and most of it was based on the fact that you believed jampy was gonna flip town (which you just knew would happen).
So now that Jampy has flipped town, somehow you now trust Rainbows and Ozby and even backed off of me some?
Me being suspicious of jampi - 1) I never voted for him. 2) I was clear on the fact I had no evidence. Why try to get me on that? Jarjar, your case is worthless. That's not what I'm saying. I'm not getting on you for being suspicious of jampi. There'd be nothing wrong w/ that as he was acting pretty suspect. It's the fact that you went all out defending him, calling him town and then making a bunch of association cases based on the fact that he was gonna flip green. The fact that he was your 2nd biggest scumread earlier in the day, only makes it look worse.
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jrkirby is scum. lynch him.
There are many suspicious, I will guide you through the exhibits of scumminess
On April 07 2013 07:34 jrkirby wrote:
I think jampidampi is town. At least for now. Earlier I had a hunch against him. I thought he was clever. Asking questions of rainbows, getting reads, and but not showing his opinion too much, because he wasn't ready to commit to his reads. Did he focus more on rainbows than anyone else? Yeah. But he also was talking to me, moloch, and saraf. And he had reason to keep his eye on rainbows. Rainbows was doing suspicious things and avoiding his questions.
Yeah, his final case against Rainbows was poorly written, and not convincing. But that doesn't mean he didn't have good reason to write it!
And if you're not reading rainbows as town, JarJarDrinks is a way better choice than Jampi. I'm suspicious that JarJarDrinks cast a vote on e to try to take the attention off Rainbows. Whether that's true or not, jampi hasn't been defending anyone. And that's the only thing mafia needs to do day 1. Just make sure none of they're own are lynched.
first, the sudden town read. this is, by itself, not incriminating, but provides a very important contrast to his later quotes and actions. considering that jamp actually gets lynched, jrkirby does set himself up to look good. this is weird because, in contrast this correct single town read, all of jrkirby's other posts seem to insinuate that he doesnt know what he is doing.
here are some examples:
On April 07 2013 08:26 jrkirby wrote:
As I said earlier, it's really hard to tell the difference between scum and bad town.
herp derp, you were absolutely correct on jamp as a bad town. why cant you find other bad town or scum. then. you easily somehow saw the difference when everyone else didn't and dun goofed.
On April 07 2013 08:55 jrkirby wrote:
Well only a couple minutes left, I think. Oh, well, we're gonna lynch town...
this quote especially concerns me. WTF, if the town going to lynch townie and especially since you gave a very strong town read, I expect you to fucking stop the lynch. I think if you defended the shit of him, that would have been the correct move - you would actually look even better than after a switch to another lynch, because for someone to stop a bandwagon on a townie shows the likely characteristics of a townie provided there is good reasoning. but instead you just let him die, this is too convienent since allows your mafia agenda.
2nd thing is terrible post history, he has a lot of filler that is not only useless, but also confusing...
On April 05 2013 15:14 jrkirby wrote:
Yeah, probably. Lurkers can kill huge lines of marines with splash damage. But we might want to throw down a couple of scans first, if you get my extended metaphor.
does not compute, really. no jargon or metaphor is necessary, just give a simple answer plz. I play SC2 and I don't know what a lurker is. :/
On April 05 2013 15:00 jrkirby wrote:
So I'm worried about rainbows. I feel like he might actually be a fatty, and is just acting stupid by accusing random people for no reason. But the way he's acting is just stupid, and only helps the skinnies. And since he's just helping the skinnies I feel like I have to vote for him, because no one is acting as stupid as him. I don't want to lynch all the lurkers just yet - partially because there's 3 of them and it's a crapshot - and rainbows is the only other guy giving off that scum vibe. So until something changes, or one of the scum making a foolish post, my vote is on rainbows.
The mafia are (probably) gonna kill one of us tonight, so it would be good if we at least have a chance of killing one of them tonight. It might not be rainbows but I feel like the chances are better than even.
Hmm, youre not very committed to lynching this Rainbows guy. This combined with your metaphor makes me rather unclear about your thoughts. You seem so far to suggest a policy of lynching stupid behavior.
this is interesting too, since you later propose a conspiracy theory of rainbows, obzy and jjd being mafia at night.
now here is also a huge contradiction. this is after the night kill.
On April 08 2013 09:28 jrkirby wrote:
I guess my reads now are smancer, jarjar, and fishgle.
On April 09 2013 14:30 jrkirby wrote:I have a strong townread on obzy. The only reason I ever didn't was when he was defending rainbows and I thought rainbows was scum. Ravens has felt fairly town to me for a while as well. I hate that he still wants to lynch rainbows even after rainbows survived a night claiming vigi. I also don't like his "mistake" with the voting on the first night, but I feel like that was really just a mistake. This is a noob game after all. Overall though, I don't think I want to lynch him today. Maybe day 3. I might be ok lynching moloch but I don't have a good read on him either way. If someone presents a good case I'll think about it. Smancer smells bad to me. I will vote for him if I think that the town is on my side. Warent - Are you still on rainbow's case? - I don't like that he voted for him night one. Really, if someone reveals vigi, they're likely going to die. Either their lying and the real vigi will kill them, or the scum will (eventually) kill them. I'm guessing rainbows only has until the end of night 2. But scum does have roleblock, so he might have a bit longer. I hope we can lynch their roleblock, that would be nice. But Rainbows would probably accidentally shoot town. Well that was off topic. Anyways, I don't like warent for voting rainbows. Actually, come to think, ravens voted rainbows too. Shit this game is hard. I might lynch him tonight too. + Show Spoiler +sorry I'm rambling and not focused on one topic here. Jarjar has made few posts, almost all against me. I thought he's make a good day one lynch because I had nothing good on him, only bad. But I think we can do better day 2. But please jarjar, say what you think of other people. Please? Don't focus on just one guy. There's 3 scum, so if you think I'm one, who are the other two? I don't wanna just vendetta you. You might just be town. But i could still see myself voting for you.
how the fuck did fishgle randomly change from being a scumread to townread? this makes no sense at all besides a very obvious scumslip. just explain this? if you are town, it shouldn't be too hard, you should be able to clearly demonstrate his transition from scumread to townread. and for that matter, you should told us why he was a scumread in the first place and a town read later.
also smancer smells bad? lol is he sweaty or what? where is your scumread, jrkirby? and why do you have to wait for someone to come to make a case and then bandwagon. this is weak stuff
lastly you play the noob card too much. though i understand this is newbie game, if you just use the noob card so much, town just misregards your opinion, which is useless agenda if you're town, but very convienent if you're scum since you can just blend in.
On April 10 2013 03:27 jrkirby wrote:
Jarjar just keeps bringing up stuff from forever ago. Like me voting for ravens: I did that because at the time there was no one I had more of a scumread on. This is my first game of mafia here. Are you going to vote for me because my first vote on the first half first day turned out insubstantial and I retracted it? Me being suspicious of jampi - 1) I never voted for him. 2) I was clear on the fact I had no evidence. Why try to get me on that? Jarjar, your case is worthless.
Obzy - why might you vote for me? I'm sure you'd have a much better case than jarjar if you presented it.
I'm going to come back in several hours and probably vote for one of these four - smancer - jarjar - warent - theravensname. in that order of suspicion.
this is also too convienent for you to just come in and drop a vote without any scrutinizing.
at this point, you are scum - all your actions fit the perfect mold of scum.
##Vote jrkirby
die scum.
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now at this pt, I have class, though lol its not a very hard class, hopefully i wont too busy in it and i can see the progress of it and make a couple of questions and comments then.
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On April 10 2013 04:15 nobodywonder wrote:
how the fuck did fishgle randomly change from being a scumread to townread? this makes no sense at all besides a very obvious scumslip. just explain this? if you are town, it shouldn't be too hard, you should be able to clearly demonstrate his transition from scumread to townread. and for that matter, you should told us why he was a scumread in the first place and a town read later.
NW ok, good analysis but I think there is a mistake.
You quoted and bolded jkirby's scum read on Rainbows pre lynch. And then quote and bold his town read on fish.
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EBWOP my bad never mind, I see you are comparing the double quotes, not the pre lyunch post lyunch quotes.
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Once rainbows has all but rage quit. Then he takes his vote off of him. WTF?
I thought it was pretty clear that I believed Rainbows' claim. Rather, I thought there was enough credibility to it to wait and see what happens - which is what thispost of mine is about. Why would I not take my vote off him?
If I had kept my vote on Rainbows, we would have most likely had a three way tie between Rainbows, jampi, and JJD. Rainbows got the three votes first, so Rainbows would have been lynched. IF I were scum, wouldn't killing the vig have been the best course of action?
He doesn't build a case agains jampi like the three others of us that voted. He just agrees and votes.
So, once three people have made cases against someone, you're saying every single person that agrees has to create their own, separate case?
Furthermore he makes a post and then immediately changes the subject to JarJar.
At the point I changed the subject to JJD, is there anyone in the game who didn't want to hear from him? He was a person of interest if for no other reason than he had three votes.
I really don't see how you can realistically suspect me for agreeing with the three best-made cases where my inaction would have resulted in a vigi lynch.
As far as my post last night, it sucked. I said in it that I made a mistake and that rendered everything I did wrong, so I figured I'd share what I could that was still useful.
This is what I had in my word file last night when I realized I counted votes wrong. It was 1am once I finally did get my post up, and I had class at 8:30 this morning. If you want to say me caring about school isn't town-friendly, there's nothing I can argue there.
+ Show Spoiler +
Smancer, obzy, and fishgle all voted for jampi on the same page
Saraf, Kirby, jampi on jjd
Jjd was a lurker
TheRavensname (1) Rainbows
Rainbows (2) Warent, TheRavensName
Smancer (0)
Saraf (0)
jrkirby (2) JarJarDrinks, nobodywonder
jampidampi (4) Smancer, Obzy, Fishgle, Moloch
JarJarDrinks (3) Saraf, jrkirby, jampidampi
Obzy:
The problem is that Moloch, Kirby, nobodywonder, Jarjar, and Fish aren't posting (or at least - not enough). Ravens and Warent are posting and I'm getting scum vibes, but they could just be _relatively_ scummy compared to Rain and Smancer. To further identify if they are actually scum, I would like to be able to continue gathering thoughts on the other five.
TheRavensname (1) Rainbows, Rainbows, Obzy, Rainbows
Rainbows (2) Smancer, Moloch, Fishgle, jrkirby, Warent, TheRavensName, jampidampi
Smancer (0) Rainbows, Rainbows
Saraf (0) Rainbows
jrkirby (2) JarJarDrinks, Smancer, nobodywonder
jampidampi (4) Rainbows, Smancer, Obzy, Fishgle, Moloch
JarJarDrinks (3) Saraf, jrkirby, jampidampi
Note Voting: Noone
Jampi, ravens, me and fishgle
TheRavensname (0) Rainbows Obzy
Rainbows (3) Smancer, Moloch, , jrkirby, Warent TheRavensName jampidampi
Smancer (0) Rainbows, Rainbows
Saraf (1) Rainbows
jrkirby (3) JarJarDrinks, Smancer, nobodywonder
Note Voting:, Saraf, , , jrkirby
Rainbows is currently set to be lynched
Rainbows (3), Moloch, Fishgle, , Warent
Okay, so, the biggest thing that everyone is forgetting is that before Rainbows claimed vigi, SIX people were voting for him, and he was obviously going to get lynched. It’s been pointed out a couple times (including by myself) that it would be too risky for scum to fake reveal that way since they would probably get killed by the real vigi. The risk would be more worthwhile if it’s a given that you’re going to die if you don’t take the risk.
That said, the people voting for him (6/11 people excluding rainbows) would all have to be all townies. It is possible that scum voted for one of their own to try to blend in, but if they had, they could have either avoided the situation entirely by bailing, or keep their votes on him, let him get lynched and be nearly confirmed townies.
Overall, I feel it is highly unlikely half the players in the game would have their votes on a player without the scum being involved,
Oh, the six players were Smancer, Me, jrkirby, Warent, TheRavensName, and jampidampi.
As soon as he claimed, I unvoted,
Rainbows jampi->ravens
Me unvote
Smancer Kirby-> jampi
Obzy ravens ->jampi
Fishgle rainbows->jampi
Me ->jampi
Saraf -> jjd
Kirby -> jjd
Jampi rainbows->jjd
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United States525 Posts
Depending on Moloch's response, I'm honestly ready to switch to kirby right now lol. I would like to see what people have to say in response to nobody's case, does anybody feel like trying to defend him? >_> Kirby that is
Also nobodywonder is almost certainly town haha. He picked up enormously since coming back.
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So now that you are back and you are addressing my case. Who do you think is scum?
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Ah. And here's Moloch. Moloch, had you posted that word file yesterday, I would've been quite a bit less worried, given that it has actual thoughts and analysis instead of just a summary list lol. What do you think of the case that has just been posted on Kirby? Also, how do you respond to the other cases against you, do you have any current scumreads, and do you agree with me that nw has completely picked up his game and is likely town?
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Obzy, his case was good.
And to be honest, I am ready to vote for jkirby as well,
##Unvote
##Vote: jkirby
I pretty much have already built my case in the few posts before NW's case. My points were 1) His town read on you and saying he will vote Moloch if there is a case. 2) he is only going to vote for someone if he thinks town will follow him. 3) the amount of 1 liner responces / Lack of any content 4) his suspects me with no case. 5) he said he will "come back in a few hours to vote" this truely shows no sense of urgency for the town.
Moloch has addressed my case against him, and I like how he did it. He also all but completely disproved my second point in my case against him, that is, the unvote of Rainbows.
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On April 10 2013 04:35 Obzy wrote:
Moloch, had you posted that word file yesterday, I would've been quite a bit less worried, given that it has actual thoughts and analysis instead of just a summary list lol.
I just didn't want to clog the thread up with useless information and hoped just giving the information that wasn't completely useless would be helpful in some way.
On April 10 2013 04:35 Obzy wrote:
What do you think of the case that has just been posted on Kirby? Also, how do you respond to the other cases against you, do you have any current scumreads, and do you agree with me that nw has completely picked up his game and is likely town?
I'll look at those right now. If I remember correctly from my first readthrough, all the other cases on me were basically Smancer's argument rehashed. (I'll doublecheck that)
I completely agree that nw has picked up his game, and I'll try to form an opinion on his orientation as I read through the thread again.
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