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Rainbows
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nobodywonder
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Fishgle
United States2174 Posts
rainbows, for now i'm going to ignore your giant feud with TRN, cuz i don't think it's getting us anywhere. I feel like you're still angry at all the people that were voting for you. What do you think of jrkirby and Smancer? jarjar's post about jrkirby makes a lot of sense. jrkirby big % post was rather useless, and not in line with much of his actions. He pushed town towards voting jampi, then backed off and defended jampi so he wouldn't look suspicious. Like Smancer stated, defending jampi it makes jrkirby look really good after the lynch. It feels like too obvious a set up. Also, do you think we should lynch NW for lurking, or JarJar too for that matter. I felt like jarjar's post was useful, but i'm a bit disappointed he didn't post as much as he promised he would. Is that reason enough to vote for jarjar? i don't know. | ||
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Fishgle
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nobodywonder
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
On April 09 2013 11:19 Obzy wrote: Is the reason people don't trust Rain because they're uncertain of my alignment, because I've defended him so hard? Is that it? lol. Jarjar disappeared, this is really annoying. I hate the fact that he disappeared after saying he would go through filters. I like his case on kirby, it's very well constructed, but kirby isn't here either atm. To be totally completely honest I am becoming less convinced of Ravens just because nobody's fucking here [edit, besides fish :D] and I'm talking myself in circles irl. At least Ravens didn't come in after a long afk, drop a case on the same person that he originally voted day1, say he'd look into more stuff, and vanish in a poof of smoke like a fucking genie that appears every thousand years. The fact that the case is good is just troublesome in and of itself, what if they're both scum? Who fucking knows, they aren't here! Out of the people that have been reasonably active, I think that Ravens is the scummiest. But we have people that aren't here at all. + Show Spoiler + I'm switching my vote onto kirby until he shows up and explains Jarjar's case and drops a vote that is to my liking - that is to say, not on fish, not on me, and not on rainbows. I also would appreciate justification for it. These lurkers are going to be the death + Show Spoiler + As such, Jarjar also jumped quite a bit as a scumread to me for telling me he'd do something and then not fucking doing it. Most people just ignore me and don't do it, re: lurkers. Whatever. But telling me he'd do it and then not doing it? :l As explained above, ##Unvote ##Vote JarJarDrinks Ravens is nobodywonder also sucks for being afk just throwing that out there and you too moloch no free ride here if this post doesn't make a lot of logical sense, sorry, just read it and try to follow my thought process. i hate rewriting stuff and i wanted to post these thoughts and especially use the genie line so rather than carefully try to find how best to word it, here's what I'm thinking right now. gonna go play n64 now, I'll be back later | ||
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Obzy
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
Now that I'm caught up I wont need to spend nearly as much time reading and I'll have more time for analysis and discussion tomorrow. Hopefully jrkirby will respond by then as well. | ||
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
Rainbows, you've been around and about - ish - what do you think about kirby? I'm going to go form a [slightly better] opinion on him myself atm, but it's a bit tainted by the fact that he isn't here. | ||
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nobodywonder
United States848 Posts
that said, I will just note some stupid things going on the thread, before I go onto cases and shit. this is rather like a rant first just as a plea to all to improve the town atmosphere 1. lurking. i, myself, am guilty. but everyone needs to post stuff so scum fucks up and we kill them. come out jjd, moloch, and jrkirby and other guys 2. rainbows and raven. wtf are you guys doing? its a retarded feud. man up with some cases. with that blue claim, rainbows i want to see more of your opinion. but everything you do screams scummy to me. OTHERWISE KNOWN AS WTF IS RAINBOWS DOING On April 06 2013 15:59 Rainbows wrote: You don't understand why I claimed. I claimed because I give zero shits anymore. Half of the thread will vote me easily, and there's nothing stopping that. I could already tell everyone would be like "hmm, yeah just lynch Rainbows because he spammed that one time". Because Nobody actually is willing to do a little dirty work and scumhunt this game on other people than the most outspoken person. I have no scumbuddies. It should be obvious by now. this is an example of terrible town mentality, with a tantrum. now at this point, you have fucking blue claimed. i dont see why then you shy away from discussion when you definitely have more townie read at this pt. the thing i, raven and the other guys from mafia xxx are still wary of a potential lolwut teh fuck crazy role claim and other shit On April 09 2013 06:12 Rainbows wrote: I tried consolidating my thoughts in cases. People called me scum for it. So whatever. I intend to sheep you obzy, even if its on me (your vote) I don't want to hear this shit. no excuse for still scumhunting rainbows. i hate your mentality. even though others did shat on your opinion and previous reads, I think I will acknowledge your opinions. no sheep, plz | ||
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jrkirby
United States1510 Posts
I'm a bit surprised jarjar is still on my case. I feel like he hasn't read the thread carefully enough, because I don't feel like he has too much evidence on me. I saw his post about me and it seems like most of it was stuff that happened on the first half of the first day when my reads weren't very good. A lot has changed since then - Rainbows claiming, and then surviving - which should change anyone's reads drastically. Especially if they thought he was scum before. So saying I've changed my mind too much is a bad argument against me. I changed my mind as new evidence presented itself. I wish I could give a better defence, but I have work I need to do. But I am reading everything. I believe I'll be able to give good time to posting and give good votes before the end of the 2nd day. Hopefully. Also, everyone still on rainbows case - if he was scum, it's very unlikely for him to be alive right now. I HIGHLY doubt he's scum. I hate that he claimed, but he's just a terrible vigi, not scum. | ||
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nobodywonder
United States848 Posts
On April 07 2013 07:34 jrkirby wrote: I think jampidampi is town. At least for now. Earlier I had a hunch against him. I thought he was clever. Asking questions of rainbows, getting reads, and but not showing his opinion too much, because he wasn't ready to commit to his reads. Did he focus more on rainbows than anyone else? Yeah. But he also was talking to me, moloch, and saraf. And he had reason to keep his eye on rainbows. Rainbows was doing suspicious things and avoiding his questions. Yeah, his final case against Rainbows was poorly written, and not convincing. But that doesn't mean he didn't have good reason to write it! And if you're not reading rainbows as town, JarJarDrinks is a way better choice than Jampi. I'm suspicious that JarJarDrinks cast a vote on e to try to take the attention off Rainbows. Whether that's true or not, jampi hasn't been defending anyone. And that's the only thing mafia needs to do day 1. Just make sure none of they're own are lynched. somehow you knew that jamp was town and defended him, right after you had insinuated that you were suspicious of him. then suddenly you become a voice of reason and moderation. i hope you can use your clever deduction skills to lead us to the next townie and avoid lynching him or even better offer a great scumread so we kill him. also i still dont understand what you mean there in the bolded... | ||
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nobodywonder
United States848 Posts
On April 09 2013 12:08 Obzy wrote: Also, hi nobody. I really, really wish you'd post more. I understand that posting is hard and the internet is scary, but quite frankly, and I love saying quite frankly and I think I've said it like ten times in this game now, quite frankly, I like winning. And if I want to win as town, I need to be readable as town. And if other people want to win as town, they need to be readable as town. And you aren't readable as town at the moment. Obzy, i dont like your mentality, why are we necessarily confirming townies, again i fear confirmation bias. at this point, to me, no one has particularly looked townie to me, but even you or rainbows. i like your activeness and posts but not how you are not very clear about your scumreads. i still dont understand the thought process for switching your vote from raven to jarjar (or almost jrkirby). can you explain it to me? | ||
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nobodywonder
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jrkirby
United States1510 Posts
The only time I was suspicious of jampi was when I had absolutely no evidence. I made that clear every time I mentioned my suspicion, and I never voted for him. | ||
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
Hmph. Okay so here's the issue. I can see pretty much everybody being scum and not scum for various reasons. Fish isn't scum. Assumption. I think that he is improving town atmosphere and behaving in a pro-town way, his stances have not stood out as particularly bad, and I am really glad that he came back and posted several times in a row, bringing new insights and then actually sticking around for a bit. It's like he cares - which is nice. Rainbows' claim and behavior makes him town. I don't think there is any denying that, the majority of things I have said have been confirming this and taking a stance on this and firming this up and etc etc etc. But Rainbows' play is not particularly protown, it has large periods of passive-aggressiveness, and he fits in really well with a kirby scumteam. I don't think he's scum but like jesus I wish he would post more constructively, although his overall activity is pretty nice. JarJar just showed up, and I like his case on kirby quite a bit. The fact that he has so few posts really screams like he doesn't care, but he "sounds" townie by tone, and looks scummy by actions. very frustrating and I really hope he can post actively before ~4ish hours before the lynch so we can try to do some consolidation and discussion on the actual lynch instead of town atmosphere [however important] and lurkers [however frustrating] ahaha. nobodywonder, i'm sorry for being down on you. I realize it's not encouraging and I shouldn't've acted that way, given that I've been hoping for you to post every day. That said, it has been three days. From the 6th 14:01 till the 9th 11:44 you didn't post a single time. Except for once in a starcraft 2 thread, apparently, according to your profile. Exempting everything else, I feel like you don't care about town. Your above post is decent, it looks like it has reasonable townie analysis and apparently there's more to come, but your behavior in lurking has not been pro-town, and has not shown you actually care about how we're doing. If you can fix that, I'll lighten up on you a little bit. Ravens feels very defensive, which I honestly think is townier than not. I hate his tunnel on Rainbows, even though I understand because Rain is not playing in a pro-town manner, I can't reconcile myself to agree with it because I think it's as good as proven that Rain is town. (Like if someone trolly was an innocent child or something is how I see him.) I have no idea what to think of Ravens anymore lol. -_- Smancer is odd. He made, in my eyes, a good case on jampi, and followed the lynch to the end, picking up negative attention. I have a hard time believing mafia would do this, since it puts him strongly in the spotlight. He didn't like my case on Ravens (and I apparently didn't either or I'd still be voting him and he'd be scum instead of null), but he's apparently read me as town all game, so he wasn't just disagreeing because he disagreed with ME, but with the case itself. But then he almost immediately 180s randomly on Rainbows and compliments Rainbows' case on Ravens, what? So I'm somewhat uncertain of Smancer too, it feels like my unvoiced opinion of him shifts drastically throughout a day where I start or end a day thinking he's very scummy, and the next day he's somehow townie, and I don't know what causes these shifts. Regarding Warent, I feel like every time I look at him he's scum, but I also feel like he's acting in a pro-town way. Maybe it's the way he types? On sheer scumminess I swear he's always top. It's unfortunate too that he lives in a different timezone so we have different active hours, but there's obviously nothing that can be done about this. It doesn't help that he soft-accused me and Fish (and Rain), then switched to questioning the people on jampi's wagon and wanting our opinions on each other - but like, that is what I would want if I thought there were scum on Jampi's wagon -_- Kirby... Sigh. I like the case against him. I don't really like that he's lurking (Although really, it's not lurking. It's just blatantly being afk. Jarjar, nobodywonder, Kirby, and Moloch are all, or were all just blatantly afk.) I don't have a damn clue. As is clearly obvious, I don't have any idea who the mafia is and I really hope I get shot night 2 so I can stop worrying! It could be anybody except fish IMHO, with it being more likely to not be Ravens or Rainbow or Warent singlehandedly because they actually have talked to me a decent amount, whereas Smancer made a big deal of talking to me but my opinion of him isn't solidified in my head, and nobodywonder/Jarjar have begun posting again but I don't know how to treat the fact that they were gone for so long. Moloch isn't here, I mean what does that even mean!? He's just like, fucking gone? Still? And he was on jampi's wagon? Like why is he gone lol >.< He was a very solid townread for me exiting day 1 and now he's just not here.and my confidence has eroded throughout the day and several hours that he has been missing and now I have no idea what to think of him. So who are my scumreads, nobodywonder? I don't know. Whenever I think about "if this guy is scum, then ________" i end up with ridiculous conspiracy theories and completely unrelated sets of scumteams with no common denominator. I believe I'll be able to give good time to posting and give good votes before the end of the 2nd day. Hopefully. If kirby doesn't, I guess I'd lynch him primarily. If you (nobodywonder) and Jarjar are active, I don't really have a problem with you... somehow. If Warent wakes up and isn't protown throughout the next day, I'd also be willing to lynch him. If Moloch doesn't show up at all (and doesn't vote), I don't want to vote on a pure lurker that I was once very town on, so maybe he'll get modkilled or something, but if he shows up and drops a vote with bad reasoning and takes off I'd vote him too. He'd need to stick around for several hours and be townie and explain what he thinks because if he can't then like I'm sorry but that's just not okay. I'm less okay with lynching Ravens and I don't really get why. I refuse to lynch Fish. I'm okay with lynching Rainbows only on day 3 if we mislynch today and he still doesn't die and doesn't pick up his game because I'd rather just fucking kill him and lose than let him troll continuously and then turn out to magically, miraculously, fucking SOMEHOW be scum in the end, despite the fact that it would make no sense and would mean I was completely taken in, I'd kill him and lose just to prevent that anger. Like I don't even know Rain frustrates me because I put so much work into defending him and now it feels like he's not living up to my apparently rather high expectations. Sorry buddy ^^ Don't take this too hard~ And for Smancer and if I'm okay with lynching him - throw a fucking dart, my read on smancer is aligned with the phases of the moon. I hope this post helps people. | ||
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nobodywonder
United States848 Posts
On April 09 2013 13:46 jrkirby wrote: What I meant by the bolded was this: the mafia don't need to lead the charge on day one. There's a good chance some town will bandwagon another town. All they have to do is make sure that the person bandwagoned isactually town, not mafia. The only time I was suspicious of jampi was when I had absolutely no evidence. I made that clear every time I mentioned my suspicion, and I never voted for him. ok...makes more sense, but i still dont see how that related to jampi. as in what did he have to do with not defending anyone... ohhh long post by obzy i read. fun fun, other lurkers and guys, see how much fun we have. post darnnabit | ||
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
I have a difficult time having the necessary conviction to think that people are mafia without positive reinforcement from other people, I think my votes in the previous game I played were either sheeps or omgus' votes. This game, nobody has really taken charge and driven the town towards targets that I like (and gotten major reactions and discussion out of people) other than the Jampi lynch, which was some sort of combined teamwork mislynch of me and my townreads [at the time]. So I'm feeling a bit out of sorts, the most I feel like I can really contribute in a good way is to get people talking so that there can be a consensus, my individual leadership is not something I have confidence in. *shrug* sorry this isn't really a good reason as to why I'm looking for townreads, and why my scumreads aren't very prominent - I just don't think I'm really that good at this game lol. The only thing I do reasonably well, IMO, is have high activity and show that I am townie through the pro-town-ness of my actions. | ||
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nobodywonder
United States848 Posts
well time to continue reading... | ||
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nobodywonder
United States848 Posts
On April 09 2013 14:02 Obzy wrote: lol sorry it seemed like I started lurking - I'm totally still here :0 I'm confirming townies because I am a very honest person irl and I am fucking shit at detecting liars and Mafia is a game about detecting liars. You have to detect the liars to win. And since I suck at that, I'm trying to detect the honest, trustworthy people instead, so that I can lynch out of a pool of non-trustworthy people. I really don't want my damn post to fall off the page again, that's probably the longest post I've ever written except maybe a rant once in my other game lol. As regards switching my vote from Ravens to JarJar (and yeah, it was originally Kirby) - to be totally honest, I had lost faith in lynching Ravens for, as described above, no fucking reason whatsoever. I didn't really like that I was voting him. Jarjar had been afk for a long time and I had expected him to provide his reads from filters - he hadn't so I swapped onto him. He then popped up apologizing and said to wait till tomorrow so I guess I'm waiting till tomorrow! I have a difficult time having the necessary conviction to think that people are mafia without positive reinforcement from other people, I think my votes in the previous game I played were either sheeps or omgus' votes. This game, nobody has really taken charge and driven the town towards targets that I like (and gotten major reactions and discussion out of people) other than the Jampi lynch, which was some sort of combined teamwork mislynch of me and my townreads [at the time]. So I'm feeling a bit out of sorts, the most I feel like I can really contribute in a good way is to get people talking so that there can be a consensus, my individual leadership is not something I have confidence in. *shrug* sorry this isn't really a good reason as to why I'm looking for townreads, and why my scumreads aren't very prominent - I just don't think I'm really that good at this game lol. The only thing I do reasonably well, IMO, is have high activity and show that I am townie through the pro-town-ness of my actions. Tell me honestly, you're town, don't lie please XD | ||
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