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Rainbows
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On April 09 2013 05:38 JarJarDrinks wrote: OK, I'm finally all caught up. First, Town Reads: Rainbows. OK, even if you don't think his posts have been pro-town, I don't get how anyone could think his blue claim was fake. It may have been silly of him to claim it @ that point, but it's still a town claim. That's like the worst possible role scum could claim. People actually think that a scummie is not only gonna claim the one role that can get him killed without a counterclaim, but also claim it when he wasn't really close to being lynched? Obzy. Obviously not as strong of a townread as Rainbows but not only is obzy trying to get people to talk and putting his opinions out there, but I find myself agreeing w/ alot of his analysis. I don't see anything wrong w/ his vote on Jampi since the case against him seemed pretty strong IMO. And now scum: jrkirby. (Surprised I know). The first post from kirby that made me suspicious:My original scumread post:OK, now that it's pretty certain that rainbows is town, this looks alot worse. Now, his very next post after I accuse him:He now backs off rainbows and says his read wasn't very strong. But it was strong enough to vote him @ the time, I didn't see anything happen in between his vote and unvote that would make him change his mind. But I guess he now has a hunch about someone, but he'll keep that to himself. So now a bunch of people start calling him out on just how scummy that statement is and telling him that he needs to just say who he suspects and it so happens to be, Jampi, the guy that everyone was talking about @ the time and is now confirmed town. BTW, here's his "reasoning" Then he goes ahead and posts his "Scummyness rating" post and aside from me, everyone falls is between 23% and 33%. Well what does that really tell us? In fact, I'm his top scum read and here's his verdict on me: "Kinda scummy. 45% scum". It's clearly a post designed to look like he's giving his opinion about people without really saying anything. I mean can you look @ this and figure out what his real opinion is on most of these people:Though he makes sure to tell me that he put out a list of his thoughts:I'm confused about this last statement. What reason would he have to think that I'd be suspicious of him posting against jampidampi @ this time? I never mentioned anything about him. He again points out how he posted all his reads. So now, a bunch of the votes move to jampi. No reason for him to pile on so he votes for me posting his case which mostly is that I'm a lurker and I voted for him: So now that it looks like jampi is gonna get hanged, he starts defending him:WTF? What changed? I can understand if he just said that he thought I was the better lynch, but "I think jampidampi is town."???? jampidampi was his 2nd highest scumread in his scum percentage indicator post. Which goes back to my point about how that post was pretty much garbage and just a way to make it look like he was posting his opinions. So now here's where he tries to set up obzy and rainbows(my 2 towreads):This is clearly someone that knows jampi is about to flip green and is trying to set up obzy and rainbows. There's no way he could speculate that much and be so sure that jampy is town. Especially since he was one of his top suspects earlier in the day. So now I see that he's changed his tune on his scumreads and now thinks rainbows is town because rainbows survived through the night. Because obviously the real vigilante would have killed him if he fake-claimed. But for some reason he thought that a scum rainbows never consider that something like that would happen. Well, sense I wasn't asked for an opinion on this I will state it: Its enough to make me doubt my good read I had on JRK, but I feel if the main basis for this is Why did he vote for Jampi over You, the same lgoci can be applied to rainbows when he didn't vote for NW when he thought for sure he was scum because "He didn't feel like it.", enough that I will leave my vote on rainbows... which I should probably finalize. ##Vote: Rainbows | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On April 09 2013 06:10 Rainbows wrote: Raven you saw my scum play first hand. Im cool and suave until lylo where i go full retard for the lulz and still win. Im no suicidal scum player. No, but you had Ray play the suicide last game, just like that previous game you played Omni in order to get me to side with you. I don't see why you wouldn't try the same trick again. | ||
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
On April 09 2013 06:08 TheRavensName wrote: Well my point is, you mention where would rainbow's scum buddies be sense they arn't defending him, my point is they very well could be. Where are mine if your so certain I have them? I'm not certain, I'm just speculating. Up until JarJar's post, I feel like I was the only person defending Rain. I know I am town. Thusly, Rainbows had no 'scumbuddies' defending him. As you keep posting, I am becoming slightly less certain of you, but I'm perfectly happy to keep you talking because the more information you put out in your defense the easier it will be for everybody to form independent conclusions and it very well could be that all of the scum are lurking or not posting currently! Smancer - I read it, and I want Fish and Moloch to return. I would be quite happy to realize that all of us on jampi were actually town, and I am moderately suspicious of Warent for the suggestion that a minimum of one or two mafia was on Jampi, just by doing mathematical analysis - but same as with Ravens, at least he's been here and giving out his opinions and content to work with. I do indeed keep asking people to post, it would be a glorious day if the thread was moving so quickly that I was one of the lurkier players instead of practically spammy and trying to get discussion moving in any way possible. | ||
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
On April 09 2013 06:15 TheRavensName wrote: No, but you had Ray play the suicide last game, just like that previous game you played Omni in order to get me to side with you. I don't see why you wouldn't try the same trick again. Ray was everyones town read? In the previous game I was town... what does that have to do with me being scum? | ||
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
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Obzy
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
Raven: If you're town, I want a few things from you today. 1) Extrapolate on the "All of your cases are based on lies/misinterpretations" thing. Quote me and prove I was lying, otherwise you are using a falsified arguement. I concede the Saraf thing, even though I still believe that he was directing that motion at me. 2) Who is most suspect besides me / Obzy to you? Make les cases. | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On April 09 2013 06:16 Rainbows wrote: Ray was everyones town read? In the previous game I was town... what does that have to do with me being scum? Sorry, I meant previous game as in the game with Ray. And um.... Ray never got a single vote on him that wasn't Me or you.... So yes. Ray was a town read I'm assuming? | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On April 09 2013 06:18 Obzy wrote: That said, Ravens, if you're voting for Rainbows then cool. I think that's stupid, but *shrug* - I guess my vote's on you for a reason, at the moment. I think your vote on Jampi was stupid, I have a better track record so far. But: in the off chance I am wrong and am just hoping too much that one of these days I will read rainbows right... I will look at other cases and post back after I finish some work I have to do for school. | ||
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
On April 09 2013 06:22 TheRavensName wrote: Sorry, I meant previous game as in the game with Ray. And um.... Ray never got a single vote on him that wasn't Me or you.... So yes. Ray was a town read I'm assuming? Ray was a town read... that's not suicicide... lol.... I have no idea what you mean by "played omni" but okay. | ||
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
On April 07 2013 09:16 TheRavensName wrote: Well, I guess Jampi read the Ace guide to playing town: Never claim. Toobad, might have saved him. ... According to your behavior, Ravens, claiming will specifically not save you at all. + Show Spoiler + And why do you say you have a better track record? Yes, we mislynched, and you weren't voting for the mislynch target. This means that you have no track record; alternatively, it could be stated that you were worse at arguing your case. | ||
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Fishgle
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good to see that jarjar and rainbows are posting, at least. | ||
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Fishgle
United States2174 Posts
On April 09 2013 04:02 TheRavensName wrote: Well, sense were on the subject of rainbows and people who voted for Jambi.... may I take this time to point out who started the first case against our mislynched cop budy? Why... it would be rainbows! Who luckily shifted off it onto me and vanished off into the wilderness. So... to all the people who are accusing at least one person on Jampi... why are you not at least considering the one who started it all? huh. i thought i had already pointed out who had actually started the vote on jampi here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405359¤tpage=24#471 (me and smancer) still, you're on to something. rainbows makes a baseless vote on jampi, then when he gets questioned, gets angry and claims blue. Another thing that rainbows keeps saying is i don't have any scum buddies as if scum would be dumb enough to band together. That doesn't prove your innocence at all, dude.furthermore, saying that TRN's scum buddy is Nobodywonder.... that's hilarious. NW hasn't posted at all. I want to vote for you rainbows, but i don't want to risk offing another blue. | ||
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Fishgle
United States2174 Posts
On April 09 2013 03:07 Smancer wrote: ... Moloch. I think his vote was the most suspicious as it was the fourth and final. Mine, Obzy's and Fishgle vote post for Jampi was detailed and made a good case. Moloch's unfortunately wasn't that detailed, and it looks like he is just sheeping. Furthermore he makes a post and then immediately changes the subject to JarJar. My ready on Moloch has been town as well. Perhaps I am tunneling hard in the sense that I think everyone who agreed with me was town. I personally think there is more to read into TRNs and Rainbows back and forth. But Warrent is probably right that one of the votes for Jamp was scum. moloch's vote may have been sheeping (is that the same as bandwagoning? i think i'm used to different terminology), but it may also have just been him agreeing with us, and seeing no point in reiterating the same arguments. There isn't much else in his filter other than arguments about rainbows, by who's alignment i am completely baffled. Currently i'm afraid that Obzy might be scum. I really have no proof. He argues really well, and makes good points. I guess that's why I'm afraid. He seems like a much better player than the rest of us, and has literally no suspicion on him, despite having voted for a blue. He also constantly reminds us who his town reads are, which is good play for townie, but also a good way for scum to make friends, i think. Anyone have anything to say about obzy, that isn't just "he's probably town"? | ||
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
I appreciate the compliment but I almost certainly am not a better player than anybody else here! Trust me on that one lol. Have no fear that I am certainly town, but if you want to theorize, I can't exactly stop you :0 Rather than thinking I'm good, I just feel like I'm trying to be active. After all, if I was good, I wouldn't've waffled[hehe funny word] on Jampi, thinking "well, he's likely just changing his play to be what I consider "town play", so he's still scum" - I would've gone "He changed his play to a pro-town manner. In a spreadsheet that I did for the first 24 hours or something, my entries on him are 'showed up ^^ against all policies, good thought process on why policies make sense. He's asking questions like me!!! :D:D' and 'Oops  ' >.>; Not like that means a lot, I just mean to say that I don't have any confidence in my skills, I'm just putting a lot of time in - and I think it's been said often, but in a video Palmar did analysing the first dozen or so pages of some game or other (Don't remember), he offhandedly commented that Marv was a good player (i chuckled because it seems like something that shouldn't even have to be commented on) - then mentioned that Marv puts in a lot of time and that tends to make people good players. Not sure what I'm saying, both dissing and praising myself at the same time; lol - but I definitely think I'm not good, I'm just putting more time in than a lot of others, and I think the clear display of giving a shit is a reason that there isn't much suspicion on me, despite being on jampi's mislynch along with the rest.(I'm gonna do another quick read/reread of some stuff, then play some n64. Unless you have questions for me  ) | ||
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
On April 09 2013 05:56 JarJarDrinks wrote: K, I'll go through filters but I'm definately suspicious of people that voted for the obviously blue guy. Where'd he go? Where are Moloch and nobodywonder and kirby? still, you're on to something. rainbows makes a baseless vote on jampi, then when he gets questioned, gets angry and claims blue. ]Think objectively - why would scum do this, at that juncture? Ignoring how it turned out - at the time, he couldn't know how it would turn out, and scum would have to be thinking ahead. (Funnily, whenever I think ahead, I make too many association cases! But scum don't have that inconvenience, so they can legitimately plan.) I think you're probably town, Fish, so I'll ask this; and this may be a bit direct hehe. Are you thinking on Rainbows because you feel bad for not being around for awhile and want to show that you are contributing and it's easy to comment on Rainbows, or because you legitimately are still concerned about him, and think he may be scum? I know I mentioned that I was done defending him but like seriously lol. ^^; | ||
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Fishgle
United States2174 Posts
 To be honest, i have no clue what i think about rainbows. Yea, it was a bit of an easy comment for not having posted in a bit, but rainbows makes himself look so scummy with nearly everything he says, it's hard not to comment on him.In the end I guess I don't want to look like an idiot. last game i was in, we were completely dismantled by mafia, and the ringleader was someone very much like you obzy, that was on everyone's good sides. currently i'm looking into smancer and warent, but i'm having trouble making something of their posts that isn't pure speculation. The nightkill left me rather deflated. | ||
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Rainbows
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
Jarjar disappeared, this is really annoying. I hate the fact that he disappeared after saying he would go through filters. I like his case on kirby, it's very well constructed, but kirby isn't here either atm. To be totally completely honest I am becoming less convinced of Ravens just because nobody's fucking here [edit, besides fish :D] and I'm talking myself in circles irl. At least Ravens didn't come in after a long afk, drop a case on the same person that he originally voted day1, say he'd look into more stuff, and vanish in a poof of smoke like a fucking genie that appears every thousand years. The fact that the case is good is just troublesome in and of itself, what if they're both scum? Who fucking knows, they aren't here! Out of the people that have been reasonably active, I think that Ravens is the scummiest. But we have people that aren't here at all. + Show Spoiler + I'm switching my vote onto kirby until he shows up and explains Jarjar's case and drops a vote that is to my liking - that is to say, not on fish, not on me, and not on rainbows. I also would appreciate justification for it. These lurkers are going to be the death + Show Spoiler + As such, Jarjar also jumped quite a bit as a scumread to me for telling me he'd do something and then not fucking doing it. Most people just ignore me and don't do it, re: lurkers. Whatever. But telling me he'd do it and then not doing it? :l As explained above, ##Unvote ##Vote JarJarDrinks Ravens is nobodywonder also sucks for being afk just throwing that out there and you too moloch no free ride here if this post doesn't make a lot of logical sense, sorry, just read it and try to follow my thought process. i hate rewriting stuff and i wanted to post these thoughts and especially use the genie line so rather than carefully try to find how best to word it, here's what I'm thinking right now. gonna go play n64 now, I'll be back later | ||
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