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Did you just try to paint me as an effective town player or something?
Jeez. You obviously weren't reading 36 where I mislynch an unopposed blue claim or 37 where we get flawless defeat.
Either way, I hope you don't expect me to play the same in this game as I would in a newbie game with people who have *never* played before. Of course I'm gonna lead them otherwise where are they gonna go?
Meh, looks to me like you just wanted to build a case on me.
I still am not sure how emperor works.
[green]Is the emperor's day 1 lynch an additional lynch or does it replace the town lynch?[green]
it isn't clear to me in the OP.
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EBWOP
Is the emperor's day 1 lynch an additional lynch or does it replace the town lynch?
Also last post was @austin
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On April 09 2013 05:29 geript wrote: Why you give me no credit?
Oh you're right, I forgot that gonzaw is awesome too.
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also shame on the people who were going to back off artanis when gonzaw was shot for calling him scum.
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@Oats you just finished a Hydra with Austin right? What's your read on him?
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On April 09 2013 05:28 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 05:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 09 2013 05:06 Caller wrote:
guys i have this amazing idea
if there is emprah all they ahve to do is wait till tmrw then claim and do double lynch. since emprah is most likely in the VE vote list, where there is almost certainly mafia and lots of it, this will thin out the list some more. and its easy as hell to filter out any fake claims.
npnp Why do you think there are a lot of mafia in VE voters? I can't see it. Why would scum push a counter wagon on another scum? Bussing 1 obvious scum to save a non-obvious one isn't bad strategy. I outed VE's role in thread. I also thought Artanis was town (shame on me). Added to his lack of activity, I would absolutely bus VE in that situation too.
I don't think scum would buss VE in that situation when there were other people who they could have easily made a case on. Caller claimed he shot Artanis. If i was scum i would definitely take the risk of Caller being truthful about the shot and push a lynch on ANOTHER of my teammates.
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On April 09 2013 05:31 Palmar wrote:
also shame on the people who were going to back off artanis when gonzaw was shot for calling him scum.
Why you hate on newbie who correctly called out VE's role and him as scum. I am disappoint.
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On April 09 2013 05:31 Palmar wrote:
also shame on the people who were going to back off artanis when gonzaw was shot for calling him scum.
Gonzaw said he'd prefer a lynch on Artanis and that he was going to shoot someone else. If i remember correctly either sn0_man or shelvocke.
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On April 09 2013 05:32 geript wrote:
@Oats you just finished a Hydra with Austin right? What's your read on him?
I finished Personality with him being scum, me being town.
I think there is enough original thought done by him to make him town. I like most of his posting in this game.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 11 2013 11:12 austinmcc wrote:snb, three things what are those BHs in the Foolishness pic holding? wbg's posts may ramble, but they rambled while making townie points (at times). Read his post about how rats work. It's not the most insightful thing ever, but it gave me a strong townie vibe on him, because he was still playing mafia while filling the thread with nonsense (unlike crossfire). oats does look bad. I like the point on reads more than the point on not following his own advice, especially within a game where everyone is playing as someone else. For starts, you look at the iamperfection/mocsta pushes from oats, but you miss this: Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 02:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
LYNCH IAMP.
Why Hiro and not the other numerous people with 1/2/3 posts?
Also Hiro never pushed that idea as it was never brought up again. Oats still pushing iamp, before you post, in response to iamp finding hiro scummy based on hiro's wanting claims. Specifically, iamp made a case, and oats immediately jumps all over iamp. I dislike that, because he's not actually seeking discussion on those questions, he starts off with the all caps LYNCH IAMP, which makes it feel like the questions don't matter. He just wants to lynch iamp, for...making a case and scumhunting. There's also his posts on ver. Check these out: Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
I do not use the word expound.
Mocsta start playing the damn game.
What do you think about Ver's unimpressive entry and subsequent no posts. Also what do you think of marv.
Who is your top scumread.
Ver's entrance is "unimpressive" and he has no posts after. Reads like Oats finds this scummy Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 23:06 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 10 2013 23:04 Acrofales wrote:
**VER'S POST WAS HERE**
Only scum or Drazerk ever tries to pull this stunt.
##vote Ver Thats a horrible reason to think someone is scum. Seriously do you think he is serious? Also arent you of the opinion that vets shouldnt be lynched day 1 unless scum claim in thread? But now acro finds Ver scummy for the same post, and Oats thinks it's a horrible reason for a vote. Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 23:52 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 10 2013 23:51 Acrofales wrote:
That's stupid. Ver dropped in to tell us he hasn't read his role pm. Now you can believe him, in which case he is probably worth keeping around. However the chance is bigger that he is NOT rping Drazerk and HAS read his pm. Now that means he is lying and giving himself an excuse to act any way he chooses.
Who needs excuses like that? Scum. I was looking forward to playing with Ver, but if he's scum, we should kill him. Or he was kidding, and roleplaying. Its one fucking post. Is he really the scummiest person so far? Acro responds, and Oats downplays Ver's post. Ver has a whopping one post. And yet Oats still manages to have 3 different thoughts about it. Weird interaction, and weirdly inconsistent.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 08 2013 04:12 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 03:41 gonzaw wrote:On April 08 2013 02:01 austinmcc wrote:
Vivax is missing the point, but he's not new and I wouldn't attribute that post to him being scummy. Yes, it shows that he's not following his read throughout the thread there, but it's not like scumVivax should be popping into thread and dropping that question without reading through to see what's happened.
gonzaw, thoughts on shelvocke? I'm null on Shevlocke. I had found some stuff I found a little suspicious of him at first (like his first post I believe), and I guess some stuff others say makes sense about him (like how he pushed VE). But nothing convinces me for a D1 lynch. He hasn't been around for much either, which is not good for him, but it isn't good for me to get a better read on him either. Now I'd like you to return the favor, which is....you know....commenting on the gigantic case I made. Was waiting on your response, wanted to see if you picked up on something. I disagree with your ultimate setup discussion conclusion. - Artanis repeatedly comments on his RNG plan, but does NOT push it hard. Agree with you there
- Artanis's RNG plan is, imo, anti-scum. Scum has the advantage of planning out numbers/roles. To the extent that town crafts a pro-town plan, scum still has an advantage in planning out numbers/roles with relation to town's plan. RNG is the single best way to limit scum's pre-game advantage imo. It creates a plan for town, but limits scum's ability to make scummy plans around the town plan.
- Therefore, the setup talk comes out in favor of town-artanis to me. He is weakly pushing a plan, agree. But I believe that the plan he lightly pushed is pro-town. Given the choice of "lightly pushing a pro-town plan" meaning he's scum and doesn't want to really push it or he's town and just isn't super pushy/involved, I will take the latter. Scum had no need to bring up a fresh plan, nobody has tried to defend him based on this, so for now...I like the setup discussion as town.
We are both wordy, but I don't see the complaints as much and I don't see the need for them to warrant much comment. At the END of your complaint section, I do like you mentioning "cramming all sorts of things into a single post." I have not known scum to do that, tbh, but I can't really fight your conclusion there because I don't have a ledger of all the crammed-together posts and whether they came from scum to town. I know that, when I'm town, I often try to avoid commenting on some things, try to push a few small lines of thought and not get tripped up, but that may be because of my inexperience and it might not be a normal scum thought process. Whatever. Still got nothing pointing me to scumtanis from your case. The geript case is poopy as I look back over it. It's either just not something I agree with or slightly scummy, but it's friggin pregame and early. You've also noted that you were watching artanis before he made this post. That makes it seem like you may be playing up the geript case as an indicator of scumtanis, because you were already scummy on artanis, and I dislike that. Just...I agree that artanis's geript case is not strong like ox, but I'm still not over to scummy on him (this is running commentary on just your case, if I'm taking each point and seeing how it sways me). The backing off point is the first thing that I can see in a scummy light. The weaker the case, the easier to back off, but yeah, he's put a lot of effort into this and he backs off with the not liking your posts comment. I've done that myself as town, when I start to realize a scumread is feeling more town, you've looked at these posts as scummy for a while and it's hard to undo that even once you find someone to be townie, but I can also see the scum point of view there. I will agree that it's a half-assed way to back off. ***EVERYONE IGNORING ARTANIS*** This is why I asked you about Shelvocke. You know who's been ignored? Shelvocke. You know who Meapak ALSO commented on, then I commented on and voted, but has had basically NO discussion today about him? Shelvocke. I wanted to see if you picked up on that, because I read your point here and immediately went "Agree that this can indicate scum" and then "Oh right, this also applies to Shelvocke." Overall, I like the ignoring point and think it CAN point towards scum. The backing off point is fine, and I think it CAN point to scum. Some of the points I'm meh on, and the RNG setup discussion in the beginning is something I find townie.
If I just filter Artanis away from your specific points, I see a couple things: His aggression is all confined to like...an hour and a half of activity following his geript case/vote/post. He's gone for 11 hours or whatever, comes back, first thing he does is apparently re-read Geript, what has happened in relation to Geript in the meantime, and respond that he is reconsidering. I actually REALLY like that response. If Artanis is scum I don't see reason for the return to thread to be anything other than pushing a little more, creating a little more chaos, something, rather than just dropping your read. We're not even in the voting phase yet, there's no REAL reason to be changing your reads around if mafia, you're still just sort of dicking around, chatting in scum QT, whatever, and reading through your scumread's response to your stuff, changing your mind, and having that be the FIRST thing you do on return to the thread feels town to me. Thoughts on that?
There is my response. I don't want to lynch Artanis. I DO want to chat a little more about Shelvocke, especially with regard to the lack of commentary/votes/whatnot on him and your finding that scummy about Artanis.
Anyone see any similarities here? austinmcc is more than willing to defend a scum buddy by going on offense. I don't think he would've attacked me considering how my thread sentiment had me painted as confirmed town.
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On April 09 2013 05:31 Palmar wrote:
also shame on the people who were going to back off artanis when gonzaw was shot for calling him scum.
I still claim that it has no weight as reason alone. Gonzaw's case instead seemed to be spot on. Even after going through Artanis filter I believe I'd not have thought he'd be scum anytime soon, if he survived.
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VE and Artanis could have been "Cupided" together. Super-duper unlikely but possible.
Vivax could you rewrite your previous post? The english is... unclear.
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On April 09 2013 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 05:28 geript wrote:On April 09 2013 05:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 09 2013 05:06 Caller wrote:
guys i have this amazing idea
if there is emprah all they ahve to do is wait till tmrw then claim and do double lynch. since emprah is most likely in the VE vote list, where there is almost certainly mafia and lots of it, this will thin out the list some more. and its easy as hell to filter out any fake claims.
npnp Why do you think there are a lot of mafia in VE voters? I can't see it. Why would scum push a counter wagon on another scum? Bussing 1 obvious scum to save a non-obvious one isn't bad strategy. I outed VE's role in thread. I also thought Artanis was town (shame on me). Added to his lack of activity, I would absolutely bus VE in that situation too. I don't think scum would buss VE in that situation when there were other people who they could have easily made a case on. Caller claimed he shot Artanis. If i was scum i would definitely take the risk of Caller being truthful about the shot and push a lynch on ANOTHER of my teammates.
EBWOP: rofl, "If i was scum i would definitely take the risk of Caller being truthful about the shot and not push a lynch on ANOTHER of my teammates."
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On April 09 2013 00:56 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 00:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 09 2013 00:48 austinmcc wrote:
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It is not terribly important whether this is similar to the yamato/kurumi shot in Personality 2. This is a different game, and I don't think either of you can go from proving your point as to whether it's similar --> scumhunting effectively in this game.
So please, drop it. You are liking your role as 'thread police' slightly too much. have less fun please. Lynch VE? I like to have fun. In all honesty, I'm considering VE. I still believe shelvocke to be mafia, and I like that lynch a lot. Much of the case on VE is that he hasn't been doing anything, which is NOT something that I expect from mafia-VE, honestly. However, it's not something that I expect from town-VE, especially if geript is telling the truth and SOMEONE up at the top is an NRA member (I agree with the sentiment that if someone at the top took that role, it's likely VE OR shelvocke (again, shelvocke is pretty clearly a smurf and people seem to be overlooking that)). Any reason in particular why I should lynch VE over shelvocke?
This post looks to me exactly like: I want to try and get a Shelvocke mislynch, but to not out myself as I feel VE is dead regardless I don't want to close the door on me being able to vote for him to not look scummy. It essentially says "Well if we can believe geript then VE likely took NRA and that makes him scum OR Shelvocke who drafted 16th took it and Shelvocke is a smurf so he should be given more attention."
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As to sn0_man's play THIS game, that post was too big so this game gets a separate one.
(1) Has sn0_man taken a leader role at all, posted in the same authoritative tone? No. Not that I have seen. On D1 he even asks what the plan was, not seeking to have a role in creating the plan.
(2) Does he substantiate his scumreads? No. Spoilered, because there are a lot of questionable reads when compared to his posting in other games. + Show Spoiler +On April 09 2013 00:50 Sn0_Man wrote:
HI guys.
I AFK every weekend.
Of the possible lynches today, I think I'm going to vote for VE. Artanis is present and his arguments make enough sense. I agree with the logic that scum using a re-usable day-vig today on a powerful Jack role (When their only other option was basically geript the VT) is enough in itself and doesn't change the arguments for or against artanis.
I'll read Shevlocke/Sinani filters and see if there is anything glaring there. 10 hours to lynch I think so we have a bit of time. Doesn't want to vote Artanis. Going to vote for VE. Why? He hasn't said why, never mentioned VE before now. On April 09 2013 01:07 Sn0_Man wrote:
How abouts we lynch sinani instead. His filter is 1 page + 2 posts, everybody can afford to go through it.
His interactions with gonzaw's claim are really bad (like, extremely scum-motivated), and he demonstrates that he is actually reading yet he fails to write more than 1 line except an easy bandwagon on to S&B when his lynch looked popular.
PS: Shevlocke really looks like a bad lynch to me. His posts look like he is reading and thinking about the game, and they look pretty insightful. I want to give him a chance N1/D2 to achieve something. I think I'd lynch VE before him.
Either way, I'm off to find the voting topic. Since it seems customary to do this here as well,
##Vote: sinani206 Wants to vote sinani, not VE. Still no explanation from sn0_man of why he'd like to vote VE. No particular posts of sinani's pointed out. Barely any analysis of sinani's filter, which although short, has some posts that you could actually analyze. When I asked him to substantiate his reads, because I felt they were super-airy, he...barely complied: On April 09 2013 02:41 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 02:33 austinmcc wrote:
(1) What interactions with Gonzaw were scum-motivated?
(2) Which posts look like Shelvocke is reading and thinking the game? Which are insightful? (1) He has made 3 total posts since gonzaw's claim. First, he asks gonzaw to kill Bill Murray, a subject of no discussion that wouldn't really shed any light on the game. It isn't who he is voting for and his only justification is "I have no meta on him but I think he is scummy" (thats his second post). His third is basically asking gonzaw to full roleclaim (which, in light of scum clearly having an assassin, is extremely scummy. Nothing from him since then. On April 09 2013 02:54 Sn0_Man wrote:(2) I dunno, his filter? If you are really needy, just read his last post: Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 17:18 Shelvocke wrote:
I think yamato shot gonzaw. I can't prove it, but it's the explanation that makes best sense to me right now going by people's reactions. I'm not entirely sure if he's the kind of person who would do that as town, but just skimming through the last normalish town game of his (Town Aint Big Mafia), I think it's entirely possible. Going to sleep on this, but that's where I'm at right now. Even if he is insane and or making stuff up, its fairly clear that he is reading and thinking the game and is thus contributing quite a bit more than Sinani (and VE, to be honest). I'd rather have him in the game Day 2 than either of the other 2. He was trying to figure out what person shot gonzaw when really nobody else was thinking that way. Really, my argument isn't that Shelvocke isn't scum, its that he is a better player to have in the thread come day 2 than sinani or VE based off of play so far. My scum-identification rate is really bad. Those posts do NOT feel like town sn0 justifying his reads. He seems...reluctant to even GIVE reads, when before he often explains reads clearly. On April 09 2013 02:58 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 02:53 strongandbig wrote:
hey sno-man a few pages back sharrant and i each shared our reads on obviousone. wanna join the "trying to be less lurky" party? poop us out a read on obviousone "Hey Sn0 give us a read on every person in the thread" no fuck you I don't like big games. I think Sinani is the best lynch today and there is my vote. Other people I don't like (but don't expect to lynch either) include oatsmaster and to an extent bill murray. I joined this PYP because its PYP so hopefully some interesting stuff happens tonight. I'm more interested in cool roles and interactions and that stuff and less interested in the traditional mafia scumhunt. I've played all my games with an eye towards solving stuff (with logic and blue roles) rather than having good reads on people. No strongandbig, you can't have my reads. I think sinani is the best lynch The End. Mentions oats and Bill Murray. Does he mention VE anymore? The guy who was his top candidate earlier that he's never explained (and who just flipped mafia)? No. No mention of VE. Finally mentions VE after being directly asked to: On April 09 2013 03:39 Sn0_Man wrote:
He looks useless this game, but from what I could tell the heart of all the arguments against him are meta arguments, which I can't comment on because I've never played a game with him nor have I read one sufficiently to have any meta on him.
I have a pretty null read on him, but I'll say that he is a better lynch than artanis (who has not cleared himself but who has at least put up a real defense) and a better lynch than many other people simply because of the amount of discussion surrounding him (aka it would be an informative lynch as compared to, say, a shevlocke lynch which I don't see as producing much valuable information by flipping). Which is why as I've said I may vote VE if it comes to that. Right now I want people to lynch Sinani though so I'm in no rush to vote VE. VE useless and now looks null. He doesn't ACTUALLY explain his read on VE, look at this. He dismisses his ability to look at meta on VE, but he provides no analysis at all of VE's filter this game. VE inactive, but has posted. sn0 doesn't even look at the posts on someone he was scummy on and now is null.
The interactions with a read on VE look particularly bad in light of that flip. He wants to lynch VE, for unknown reasons, then sinani instead of artanis/VE/shelvocke. Oats and BM are scummy, VE has fallen off the list. When Pushed to talk about VE, VE is null, with no real explanation given, and the post is steered away from VE. Absolutely no substantiation of ANY VE read, and a desire to avoid the subject.
(3) Does he ever ask questions of others? In this game, he asks these weak questions with no target, just sort of general "help me out guys" questions - + Show Spoiler +On April 05 2013 14:38 Sn0_Man wrote:
Was there a consensus as to what I was picking first? No i'm not doing a silly "deny" pick like janitor. Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 10:09 Sn0_Man wrote:
less than 1 Hour to pick submission deadline right? Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 01:22 Sn0_Man wrote:
How does caller get away with bullshit like that?
I picked 1,1, he knows it, I've outed it to the thread before and during the game. This frustrates me... Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 04:09 Sn0_Man wrote:
Wait, did day end early or was I just completely wrong as to what time things were happening? Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 04:27 Sn0_Man wrote:
So showtime was also used as far as I can tell because thats the only thing that ends days instantly that I could find. Unless caller got a character bonus somehow?
(4) Is he conversational at all? No. He mainly just complains, without really interacting. When he interacts with someone, he doesn't have the back and forth that occurred in some of his other games. + Show Spoiler +On April 04 2013 14:28 Sn0_Man wrote:WELP I wasn't expecting any kind of serious activity during this draft phase Ah well I'll read it all tomorrow. My numbers are already submitted as promised anyway. Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 14:38 Sn0_Man wrote:Was there a consensus as to what I was picking first? No i'm not doing a silly "deny" pick like janitor. I'm not really in any hurry to share my pick but if we came to a solid consensus I'll pick it. This thread is a lot longer than I expected during the draft phase though . Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 10:09 Sn0_Man wrote:Also I really didn't want to read 45 boring pages of random plans that are easily influenced by scum and are also mostly neutered by scum knowing about them... Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 02:54 Sn0_Man wrote:
(2) I dunno, his filter?
If you are really needy, just read his last post: Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 17:18 Shelvocke wrote:
I think yamato shot gonzaw. I can't prove it, but it's the explanation that makes best sense to me right now going by people's reactions. I'm not entirely sure if he's the kind of person who would do that as town, but just skimming through the last normalish town game of his (Town Aint Big Mafia), I think it's entirely possible. Going to sleep on this, but that's where I'm at right now. Even if he is insane and or making stuff up, its fairly clear that he is reading and thinking the game and is thus contributing quite a bit more than Sinani (and VE, to be honest). I'd rather have him in the game Day 2 than either of the other 2. He was trying to figure out what person shot gonzaw when really nobody else was thinking that way. Really, my argument isn't that Shelvocke isn't scum, its that he is a better player to have in the thread come day 2 than sinani or VE based off of play so far. My scum-identification rate is really bad. On April 09 2013 02:58 Sn0_Man wrote:
"Hey Sn0 give us a read on every person in the thread" no fuck you I don't like big games. On April 09 2013 03:08 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 03:06 strongandbig wrote:
you can't just say 'fuck you im not going to play' Thats absolutely not what I said but w/e.
I don't get the sense that his play this game matches his town play in newbie games. His reads are rare, and don't have the same weight behind them as his reads in other game had. I don't see any desire to take a leader-y role, in fact, I see a desire to blend in and ask bland, general questions. I don't see concern with elements of mafia in general, a number-picking plan, role-picking plan, thinks that I might expect him to be interested in given his interest in balance/calculating MYLO/LYLO, etc.
According to his own post, he joined a PYP game for the PYP aspect. The powers, the usage, etc. He got THE NUMBER ONE PICK. I know I would have been super excited at that. He is ... almost UPSET at that. He complains that he got first pick. He complains that the thread is moving too fast, that he's being asked for reads. HE IS THE FIRST PICK. HE JOINED FOR THE PICKING AND THE POWERS. It shouldn't matter what else is happening, he should be delighted. He should be going, "Fuck yeah, first pick. I got to deny an important role or take an important role and I'ma have fun with it." Not complaining.
This is...small but important to me. On April 07 2013 07:30 Sn0_Man wrote:
Oats looks dirtier to me than any1 else right now :/
People think vivax is scum because he's always best mislynch.
sn0_man has only played newbie games. He specifically said he couldn't do anything with the VE meta comments because he didn't know VE's meta.
Look closely at that post. He knows that people always find vivax scummy, and that vivax is always a good mislynch.
How does he know this? How does he know how vivax plays, how people interact with vivax? He shot down knowing how VE plays, didn't care about it. But he does know vivax's past games. How, when he hasn't played in any of them? Perhaps he's got some folks saying outside the thread that vivax is a juicy mislynch most games?
Okay, I keep trying to fix some quote tags above but they are being cooperative. Anyway, read his posts even through the messed-up quote tags. I do NOT get the town indicators, I don't get a sense he cares about the game, is conversational and cheerful, substantiates his reads. I DO get that his reads are more fluffy, less anchored to any concrete posts and analysis. I think his VE dancing looks really bad in light of that flip. I think his attitude has been bad, which conflicts with his positive attitude in other games AND his self-proclaimed desire to want to play a PYP (FIRST PICK ZOMG!!!!!).
I see a weird comment where he knows Vivax's playstyle despite never having played with him.
I see an utter lack of happiness that we just killed 2 scum on D1. Look at his response to the flip. Nonexistant. Just wants to start plinking away at emporer vs. vote rigger, but no reaction AT ALL to the flips. Avoids em.
He has no other big games. He has no games where he's scum from the start. So there's not a fantastic comparison. But I see sn0_man. It's all the comparing I can do, and his play within this game, aside from his play past games - the vivax comment, the lack of flip-talk, his "read" on VE...it don't look good. It look scummy.
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On April 09 2013 05:51 Sn0_Man wrote:
VE and Artanis could have been "Cupided" together. Super-duper unlikely but possible.
Seriously stop this. Following up on all of the possibilities is mostly worthless. Go scumhunt.
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On April 09 2013 05:52 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 00:56 austinmcc wrote:On April 09 2013 00:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 09 2013 00:48 austinmcc wrote:
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It is not terribly important whether this is similar to the yamato/kurumi shot in Personality 2. This is a different game, and I don't think either of you can go from proving your point as to whether it's similar --> scumhunting effectively in this game.
So please, drop it. You are liking your role as 'thread police' slightly too much. have less fun please. Lynch VE? I like to have fun. In all honesty, I'm considering VE. I still believe shelvocke to be mafia, and I like that lynch a lot. Much of the case on VE is that he hasn't been doing anything, which is NOT something that I expect from mafia-VE, honestly. However, it's not something that I expect from town-VE, especially if geript is telling the truth and SOMEONE up at the top is an NRA member (I agree with the sentiment that if someone at the top took that role, it's likely VE OR shelvocke (again, shelvocke is pretty clearly a smurf and people seem to be overlooking that)). Any reason in particular why I should lynch VE over shelvocke? This post looks to me exactly like: I want to try and get a Shelvocke mislynch, but to not out myself as I feel VE is dead regardless I don't want to close the door on me being able to vote for him to not look scummy. It essentially says "Well if we can believe geript then VE likely took NRA and that makes him scum OR Shelvocke who drafted 16th took it and Shelvocke is a smurf so he should be given more attention." That post is actually me messing up "s" names in this game and not double-checking. The 16th pick bit, anyway.
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hmmm. Ok austin, I'll take a far more serious look at Sn0 on that post, that mislynch scumslip is enticing me. Time to reread your points against him again.
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sn0_man has only played newbie games. He specifically said he couldn't do anything with the VE meta comments because he didn't know VE's meta.
Look closely at that post. He knows that people always find vivax scummy, and that vivax is always a good mislynch.
How does he know this? How does he know how vivax plays, how people interact with vivax? He shot down knowing how VE plays, didn't care about it. But he does know vivax's past games. How, when he hasn't played in any of them? Perhaps he's got some folks saying outside the thread that vivax is a juicy mislynch most games?
This is actually very interesting point Austin pointed out.
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@Austin: Vivax e-famous for making no sense
All my relevant posts are in a short period I recommend you read that period rather than from filter because context is important.
Either way, the comment on VE was when there were essentially 2 candidates (VE/Artanis) and I felt VE was a better lynch. Later, I very clearly said VE is NULL to me but a better lynch than most purely for information purposes. So I was willing to vote VE but didn't see him as scummy.
Some other people mentioned going after Sinani/Shelvocke so I poked through their filters and decided Sinani was the best lynch.
I still think oats looks bad but there is no movement to lynch him so I'm leaving that read on the backburner.
I don't waltz into a thread and demand answers after posting essentially nothing for 48 hours, and I don't try to "lead" people whose play I respect.
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