Boardwalk Empire Mafia: Pick Your Power - Page 96

On April 09 2013 06:04 Sn0_Man wrote:
@Austin: Vivax e-famous for making no sense

On April 09 2013 06:04 Sn0_Man wrote:
@Austin: Vivax e-famous for making no sense

All my relevant posts are in a short period I recommend you read that period rather than from filter because context is important.

Either way, the comment on VE was when there were essentially 2 candidates (VE/Artanis) and I felt VE was a better lynch. Later, I very clearly said VE is NULL to me but a better lynch than most purely for information purposes. So I was willing to vote VE but didn't see him as scummy.

Some other people mentioned going after Sinani/Shelvocke so I poked through their filters and decided Sinani was the best lynch.

I still think oats looks bad but there is no movement to lynch him so I'm leaving that read on the backburner.

I don't waltz into a thread and demand answers after posting essentially nothing for 48 hours, and I don't try to "lead" people whose play I respect.

On April 09 2013 06:16 geript wrote:
@sn0_man Which games have you shadowed in (if any) and who did you shadow?

On April 09 2013 06:19 Caller wrote:
btw people im pretty sure this is the order of events that went down:

a) goznaw calls out artanis
b) people start bandwagoning
c) artanis shoots goznaw, other mafia +town try to direct the lynch momentum to VE, as unlimited assassin gf is an insanely valuable role
d) i be a dick
e) some extra lynch schenanigans
f) ???
g) PROFIT.

On April 07 2013 06:58 Vivax wrote:
Took a look at VE's filter cause he seems to be under suspicion. Liked his case, sheeping it.

##Vote: Restraining Order

On April 07 2013 07:08 Vivax wrote:


A lot.
I would say it contains irrefutable evidence of someone not believing what he claims to be thinking is best to believe.

On April 07 2013 07:16 Vivax wrote:
Shelvocke what do you dislike about VE's case? Can you tell me your draft pick?

On April 07 2013 08:05 Vivax wrote:
Palmar mind giving out your numbers and commenting on VE's case?

On April 07 2013 07:58 Vivax wrote:
I'll read through a few filters and write down some thoughts on the go. Mistakes aren't unlikely in the process and not intended.[1]

1. Shelvocke just asked me about VE's case. That means he's well aware of it. Nonetheless he didn't comment on it despite it containing some very strong points in my opinion.[2] I would expect someone to put his scumread's case under more scrutiny and ask him out about it, not sidebump at people agreeing with it.
Ninjad, so:



The point about the denying thing was good. It showed that RO was arguing for a town NOT arguing about how to design role picks, which is not only bad in itself, but is also a way to discourage discussion. As for the lolist, yeah, that maybe wasn't a strong point but I can see VE throwing that in while digging through the filter.[3]
The point about RO apparently mixing scumreads with his 4/5 townreads still applies and has not been addressed by you.

On April 07 2013 08:49 Vivax wrote:
RO's whole defense against VE's case was "lol", and Palmar still didn't explain what makes VE scum aside from activity (and I would like to see how he defines that one).

On April 08 2013 23:11 Vivax wrote:
I'm also considering VE for lynch currently, I didn't see anything of what he promised so far, and his pushes are less than half-assed.

On April 09 2013 00:05 Vivax wrote:


That is too speculative at this stage. Use orthodox arguments please. We don't know if he has NRA, we don't know if geript's claim is true, we don't know why he doesn't post much (he's not posting much either in a parallel game).

I don't like how VE is playing but he's not the first guy I'd lynch today I think. RO, Sinani and Sno are my favourite targets.

On April 08 2013 01:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
In what way is this post



any different from this post?



You accuse Vivax of trying to "bandwagon" SnB but you yourself opened your "content" by similarly voting SnB with no reasoning. You accuse Vivax of not reading the thread, but somehow you missed the fact that gonzaw was scheduled for an earth-shattering scum-destroying case at the end of his countdown?

Palmar I'm quite interested in why you think decon is town. That feels kinda like fucking bullshit from you.

##Unvote
##Vote deconduo

On April 07 2013 21:54 Vivax wrote:
Artanis still think geript is scum?

Comments on VE and his RO case?

On April 08 2013 05:13 Vivax wrote:
Gonzaw, took a look through Artanis filter and his defense to your case, but I don't see stuff striking me as scummy. I thought he was scum in British for his defensive play, and the smaller posts can be explained through the lower motivation in a big game like he explained.[1]

You also mention a thing in your case where Artanis called out geript for giving out a controversial opinion to geript:


You don't believe he is serious with it, but it does indeed look...controversial from geript to have written that thing. I don't think you can hold that against Artanis for example outside of your belief that he wasn't serious with it.[2]

Or calling his aggressive behaviour fake. I don't see why you arbitrarily call it either aggressive or fake.[3]

I don't know if there's just a lot of confirmation bias in that case, gonzaw, but it didn't convince me, tbh it looks like you added too many extras to it :o[ [4]

On April 08 2013 07:41 Vivax wrote:


Artanis is not the type who should be shot cause he does give a fuck about his image (as opposed to RO, for example). Go for trolls and lurky stuff.

Sno_Man, RO, Sinani, Caller. Not sure about BM but at least activity doesn't seem to be much of a concern lol. Not gonna cry over those if you shoot them.

On April 08 2013 23:04 Vivax wrote:
Did you guys even read which targets gonzaw considered for the shot? It wasn't Artanis, those were Shelvocke and Sno_Man.

RO either doesn't read or uses a WIFOM argument on a wrong base without considering all other options.

This is how gonzaw wanted to use his role initially:


So if you gotta ride the WIFOM-train, putting it all onto Artanis is scummy as shit. See RO for details.

I want to lynch into RO, Sno, maybe Shelvocke, but need to get to a conclusion first, I found him kinda scummy earlier on. Sinani also looks bad. This is a big game, scum can hide, everyone having their eyes on the most active dudes should think twice about lynching them.

On April 08 2013 23:36 Vivax wrote:
If Caller shoots Artanis I'm not opting for anything but his lynch until he's dead.

On April 04 2013 23:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
If we're going to policy lynch I'd rather lynch Vivax.

On April 06 2013 08:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

So he's playing to his strengths by saying things that have no town motivation? Please explain to me how that works. Are you saying that like Vivax he rolls scum in 100% of his games regardless of his role PM? If he's so aware of his perception, why does his posting history look so awful?

You've basically said in this post that he's better than people give him credit for, yet his post history reeks of scum. If he's good as you say he is then this should ring even more alarm bells. The point regarding VE you make only compounds that, so that makes me wonder. Why so noncommittal?

On April 08 2013 06:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Vivax
Vivax is Vivax. In all previous games I've played with him he's rolled scum, but sometimes the host accidentally flipped him green. This game I feel like he's playing better than any game he's had before. There's still Vivax moments of trying to be right where everyone else is wrong, but he's being cooperative. I see no reason why he wouldn't stick to his unreadable meta if he rolled scum. Town.

On April 08 2013 21:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also I looked up Vivax' meta, Oats. I don't think he's scum. His OMGUS on you and the fact that he didn't put any pressure on anyone in the early game other than that rubs me the wrong way, but he's been picking it up since then and showing the stream of consciousness that I'm used to seeing from a town Vivax. In his LX scum game he had a lot of small posts with no real meaning and large posts whenever he thought it was time to make it look like he was contributing. His posting style in this game is very different from that.

On April 08 2013 22:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

No, that's dumb because if scum will shoot him 100% of the time for the reasons I stated then any potential extra reasons are completely moot.


I read LX and British Empire II.

On April 07 2013 14:48 sinani206 wrote:
VisceraEyes: I was leaning scum before and he hasn't really done anything to change my mind besides participating a little bit more. To be on the safe side, I'll say null with a red tinge.

On April 09 2013 06:30 Restraining Order wrote:
Actually Vivax is 100% scum. Through and through.
Vigis, shoot the guy. If not, we lynch the guy tomorrow. I will not accept anything short of his cold, dead body.

So, in summary BOTH flipped mafia implicate him heavily. For Artanis it's on either side, for VE obviously not really since VE didn't actually post.

Summaries of both below, first comes Vivax' part, then the confirmed mafia's side.

VE:





VE's case is apparantly good, huh. I never knew.


[1]: "I'll make mistakes, but that's totally not scummy because I warned you! And if my opinions turn out to be bullshit, well it wasn't intentional, okay!?!?" This is just scummy and not part of the association, but I cba to repeat this later.

[2]: "I am suspicious of you for not commenting on VE's case" But that's not all he says with it, he AGAIN underlines how great and grand VE's case is.

[3]: So the case was awesome and everything, but points that are clearly just strewn in to inflate its size are merely "not strong". No need for concern guys. That's totally not something that should give a townie a pause while reading it, it's merely "not strong". And we of course can all understand the motivation for putting it in there, right?? Right??


First part we've heard already I think. Second part is a blatant defense of VE. Quelle surprise.

Then, for a long time, he simply ignores VE.
Once it becomes clear that VE is a very real lynch target and he can do nothing to stop it, time for a tactics switch:
Let's soft-push without commiting to it!


He might not be the role he is, don't believe true things too easily!
I want to call him scummy so I look like I call him out, but obviously I'd rather lynch townies and have no intention of lynching VE! (yes, this translates to me giving both sinani and sno townreads, deal with it)


On VE's side there's not much, but there's something! Almost a miracle with that little activity....

Also known as: Where VE pushes a guy that's suspicious of Vivax.
Coincidence? I think not.
Apart from this, VE never mentions Vivax.

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Artanis:

Easy as shit to do interaction, asking basically for a "yes" and a +1.


[1]: "oh yes I totally looked at Artanis and I'm scumhunting and contributing, believe me. But I think a scum is town because [vague annotations about meta], thanks!" Further problems with this: He notes how he misread him in British as a reason for him to be wary of calling him scum. This is complete BS. Vivax has read me 100% wrong in EVERY game we have played together, apart from maybe LX if you want to nitpick, but ofc we were both scum there. DOES THAT MOTIVATE HIM TO REASSESS HIS READ ON ME IN ANY WAY? HELL NO. This is a textbook example of preferrential treatment. And of course, to top it off, he 'believes' Artanis' stupid excuse for not being active in an instant.

[2]: Highlighting the relevant part again: "I don't think you can hold that against Artanis". Of course not. Who would hold anything against Artanis?!?

[3]: "His agressive behavior isn't fake at all! Actually it's not even agressive at all! Actually it's not even behavior! Actually I'm not even town!"
Eh. You get the gist.

[4]: Case on artanis is, obviously, not convincing. Confirmation bias and such. Sure beans.


"Artanis shouldn't be shot. Don't shoot scum. I'd prefer if you shoot trolls and lurkers instead."

Of course he wouldn't shed tears for dead townies. scumslip scumslip ololololololol (writing so much makes me bored, sorry about that)

Wifom argument that the gonzaw shot doesn't implicate Artanis at all. You know who said the same thing? Oh yes, Artanis! Hmmm.

Going after Artanis is also scummy as shit, apparantly.

We've seen the rest a hundred times already by now, only now Shelvocke is included. Who Artanis is currently pushing. Who is clearly getting prepared for a full scum-team push on him here. Just FYI.

Watch out Caller, you gonna get nightkilled.

There are some more threats to Caller about him killing Artanis, but I'm getting lazy.


Artanis' side of things:

Looks entirely unremarkable. It is. It's also never seriously considered or followed up on.


This doesn't actually say anything of value either.
Let's go full confirmation bias and say "Are you saying that like Vivax he rolls scum in 100% of his games regardless of his role PM" is an excuse to excuse Vivax' scummy behavior because he apparantly always does that.

Then his read/list post states:

Oh a townread. Because Vivax is supposedly not playing to either meta, and is apparantly 'cooperative'.
What he forgets though, and continues to forget, is Vivax' scum play in LVIII. Which showed a marked absence of the raving moronic town Vivax we all rightfully hate. Guess what? This town Vivax is also not present in this game. But that little piece of meta will go ignored. Better not bring it up, and hope nobody else does.

*insert 2 one-liners repeating his above read I cba to quote*


LX as the sole hallmark for Vivax' scumplay.
Aren't we forgetting a game?

Luckily, dandy dan is here for you.

So, when I'm obviously implying that he has played like he does this game exactly once before, and it was a scumgame, it would not do to check it and take a stance on that. Of course not.



So yeah Vivax is like, maaaaafia and shit.

On April 09 2013 06:39 Vivax wrote:


Through and through is austrianglish.

On April 09 2013 06:56 Caller wrote:
mafia please kill me i am confirmed town and i want to go shake goznaw's hand in the afterlife qt

On April 09 2013 06:53 Sn0_Man wrote:
Wat? through and through is fine english.

Either way, I agree with Kei lets lynch sinani (once it's day) since he is scum.

I'd say he should be shot tonight but I thought the consensus at the beginnning of the game wast that town with KP were supposed to NOT use it? (at least, that is most of geript's justification for his role selection).